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| ThomasEgi | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014483588800745 | 05:00 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Substitution%20of%20porphyropsin%20for%20rhodopsin%20in%20mouse%20retina.pdf | 05:00 |
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| @kanzure | beep boop | 09:30 |
| poppingtonic | beep | 09:49 |
| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://www.neuro.cjb.net/content/31/14/5540.full | 09:50 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/26c76aba93650f6a8ca86d61bb5aa9d.txt | 09:50 |
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| @kanzure | yashgaroth: sup | 10:01 |
| yashgaroth | hoi | 10:01 |
| @kanzure | you see that biocurious is exploding internally? | 10:01 |
| yashgaroth | when's the grand closing ceremony | 10:01 |
| @kanzure | it's being hosted by jojack | 10:02 |
| yashgaroth | well hopefully east bay gets it together soon, so that people have somewhere to almost run gels in the bay area | 10:03 |
| @kanzure | noisebridge is fine for running gels | 10:03 |
| @kanzure | gels are like the most boring thing you could possibly mention | 10:03 |
| @kanzure | oh i get it | 10:03 |
| yashgaroth | mhm | 10:03 |
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| * brownies pokes gradstudentbot | 10:07 | |
| gradstudentbot | When are you going to publish? | 10:07 |
| brownies | biocurious are the guys who couldn't figure out how to charge for memberships right? | 10:07 |
| @kanzure | they do charge, but yeah | 10:08 |
| @kanzure | $100/mo | 10:08 |
| @kanzure | which no biologist can afford because they're all broke | 10:08 |
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| brownies | but they had like 3 people paying, or something? | 10:08 |
| @kanzure | 30. yes. | 10:08 |
| brownies | ah, right. tricky business, selling to poor people. | 10:08 |
| @kanzure | one of the two people running it just quit | 10:09 |
| @kanzure | or.. i think it might be more than 2. but whatever. | 10:09 |
| yashgaroth | biologists can afford that, but not when they have to pay rent in SF | 10:09 |
| yashgaroth | how is diybio detroit coming along btw | 10:10 |
| @kanzure | hush this is the one the feds aren't supposed to know about | 10:11 |
| @kanzure | i think membership fees are a broken model, yadda yadda.. | 10:12 |
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| Saal_ | Henbest jones and owen 1995 studies in the polyene series conversion of vitamin a1 into vitamin a2 | 11:09 |
| @kanzure | yes? | 11:15 |
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| ThomasEgi | kanzure, i think he wanted to ask paperbot to fetch that paper. | 11:28 |
| * kanzure shakes his head | 11:29 | |
| @kanzure | if this channel is just going to turn into people joining just for paperbot then i don't want to do this anymore | 11:29 |
| brownies | there's other attractions too. | 11:30 |
| * brownies pokes gradstudentbot | 11:30 | |
| gradstudentbot | I am busy doing science, go away. | 11:30 |
| @kanzure | AAAAAHHHHHH https://gist.github.com/kanzure/6258965 | 11:30 |
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| @kanzure | https://github.com/substack/node-trumpet/pull/17 | 12:08 |
| @kanzure | there. that should fix it. | 12:08 |
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| @kanzure | damn. i keep forgetting glybera. | 12:29 |
| @kanzure | d3.js digraph editor http://bl.ocks.org/rkirsling/5001347 | 12:36 |
| chris_99 | heh thats cool | 12:36 |
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| heath | [12:03:51] <kanzure> oh i get it | 12:56 |
| heath | [12:04:00] <yashgaroth> mhm | 12:56 |
| heath | explain that one | 12:56 |
| yashgaroth | key word was "almost" | 12:56 |
| @kanzure | he was implying biocurious is of limited utility because gels are trivial | 12:57 |
| anannie | I would like to learn clojure any suggestions on how/ | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | and/or that biocurious is only good for running gels | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | anannie: just learn java | 12:57 |
| heath | why'd the 2+ of the biocuriuos mangement quit? | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | i don't really recommend clojure. it's just a lisp variant with docstrings that hooks up to the jvm. | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | heath: there was an email. something about nobody helping her. | 12:58 |
| anannie | Java isn't supported for my platform | 12:58 |
| @kanzure | what do you think clojure is? | 12:58 |
| anannie | as in I can't download the sdk | 12:58 |
| anannie | yeah | 12:58 |
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| anannie | it works with the linux version of the Java VM | 12:58 |
| @kanzure | "Clojure is a compiled language - it compiles directly to JVM bytecode" | 12:58 |
| @kanzure | sudo apt-get install openjdk | 12:58 |
| anannie | that is bundled with my netbook | 12:59 |
| anannie | yup | 12:59 |
| anannie | openjdk works | 12:59 |
| @kanzure | okay..? | 12:59 |
| anannie | but not jdk | 12:59 |
| chris_99 | what platform do you us anannie | 12:59 |
| @kanzure | you have a baffling intellect | 12:59 |
| chris_99 | *use | 12:59 |
| anannie | Ubuntu 11.04 on an asus netbook | 12:59 |
| anannie | kanzure: me? | 12:59 |
| chris_99 | so you can get java for that | 12:59 |
| gradstudentbot | Did you do that pset? | 13:00 |
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| anannie | chris_99: tried and it isn't working for some weird reason that I'm unable to debug | 13:00 |
| @kanzure | so openjdk doesn't work? | 13:00 |
| anannie | openjdk works, this doesn't http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1880260.html | 13:00 |
| @kanzure | i don't see a reason to use oracle java | 13:00 |
| chris_99 | there some odd inconsistencies between them i've found, mainly relating to GUI stuff | 13:01 |
| anannie | kanzure: I'm targeting leJos a java VM for lego NXT they tend to recommend the oracle version | 13:01 |
| @kanzure | lego recommends oracle? ugh | 13:02 |
| @kanzure | how about not using lego? | 13:02 |
| anannie | kanzure: We have been here :) Nope the Lejos project maintainers recommend that not Lego. That said, I prefer Lego for my robotics these days because I get to learn control theory as well as the AI bits. I can't really carry around the hardware needed to make robots out of raw materials in my suitcase | 13:04 |
| chris_99 | what are you making? | 13:05 |
| anannie | chris_99: 1 robot every week | 13:05 |
| @kanzure | what about just carrying nothing and rebuilding everywhere? | 13:06 |
| @kanzure | i mean, carrying nothing and making tools is better than carrying some junk that doesn't work | 13:06 |
| anannie | kanzure: That involves a monetary investment at each step and it isn't very possible in my country, but I'm open to suggestions on how I can do this. I hate lego though | 13:10 |
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| @kanzure | you don't need money, just materials | 13:20 |
| anannie | Accessing materials like that is costly down here :) | 13:20 |
| @kanzure | i doubt it. gingery did it just collecting scraps. | 13:21 |
| anannie | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-13541-5_6 | 13:34 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5e27c1cf3b05333b88cd70e598d8f382.txt | 13:34 |
| anannie | kanzure: I live in India, we don't have such scrap and stuff | 13:34 |
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| cpopell | Clients were happy enough with what we did that we got a follow on, so hooray. | 13:42 |
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| heath | cpopell: some startup you're working i'm guessing, what's the elevator pitch? | 14:11 |
| cpopell | heath: Disruptive analysis and state of science for firms that can't afford to hire emerging tech strategists just for that role. | 14:13 |
| cpopell | That's the goal, but we seem to be grinding on market analysis atm. | 14:13 |
| chris_99 | what's disruptive analysis | 14:16 |
| cpopell | Looking at how supply chain, business assumptions, etc. will change based on various research in the pipeline | 14:16 |
| chris_99 | aha | 14:17 |
| cpopell | Identifying emerging markets for existing (and new) companies | 14:17 |
| cpopell | you know | 14:18 |
| cpopell | business consultant bullshit | 14:18 |
| anannie | cpopell: Erm first of all that's going to be a heard sell for reasons I'm going to elaborate. Second that business consultant bullshit has a defined ROI which is why they can make out like bandits | 14:25 |
| cpopell | anannie: Currently we're doing contracted market research and doing pretty well. | 14:25 |
| cpopell | Most of this is bill-paying until next step. | 14:26 |
| anannie | cpopell: That's different. That's market research. Quite frankly no one gives a damn about what research is in the pipeline, because unless you're DWave research in the pipeline will impact your business in 20 to 30 years and by then you'll be dead or you would be doing something better | 14:27 |
| cpopell | We're working on some stuff to disprove that- | 14:27 |
| cpopell | there's a lot of research in the pipeline with an implementation horizon of 3-7 years | 14:27 |
| anannie | no one will give you a single dime unless you have a strong ROI and I just don't see the case over here | 14:28 |
| anannie | I'm sorry if I'm being negative, but there's a case for market research | 14:28 |
| anannie | but not a case for "disruptive analysis" | 14:28 |
| anannie | all of that stuff sounds good on a CV and that's just pretty much what it is | 14:28 |
| cpopell | A lot of the market research is helping us build the case for disruptive analysis. | 14:29 |
| cpopell | but that's honestly more a slightly longer term/overarching theme-implementation seems to be more on the start and end point | 14:30 |
| anannie | cpopell: I don't think anything I say right now will convince you. Just try to sell that to actual clients and you'll discover that you're facing an uphill battle | 14:30 |
| cpopell | ie what're labs working on, and what's it mean in terms of global sales | 14:30 |
| cpopell | those are what we're getting most interest in | 14:30 |
| cpopell | anannie: I agree it's an uphill battle completely. | 14:30 |
| anannie | unless you're analyzing *their* labs and telling them that there such and such applications it ain't gonna sell | 14:31 |
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| chris_99 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ecb2/ i figure that could increase my productivity 10 fold | 15:00 |
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| @bkero | Those things. | 15:02 |
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| chris_99 | and it runs ARM so i assume it's pretty hackabl | 15:03 |
| chris_99 | e | 15:03 |
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| heath | anyone in/around sf need a roommate? | 15:46 |
| cpopell | heath: I know some people who just moved there | 15:57 |
| cpopell | Lemminkainen: thoughts? | 15:58 |
| heath | i might just head there and couch surf awhile | 15:58 |
| cpopell | heath: Lemminkainen will poke you later, he's afk and on his phone | 16:02 |
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| Lemminkainen | heath what's up? | 16:54 |
| Lemminkainen | I'm looking to set up a nanotech-house in West Oakland beginning in October | 16:55 |
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| brownies | a nanotech-house? | 17:46 |
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| Lemminkainen | yar brownies | 17:50 |
| Lemminkainen | TEM and Zetasizer in the garage | 17:50 |
| brownies | is it like a regular house, but extremeley small? | 17:50 |
| brownies | oh ok | 17:50 |
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| heath | Lemminkainen: sold | 18:19 |
| cpopell | Lemminkainen: is that where Dre is going? | 18:35 |
| cpopell | Lemminkainen: and is Felson with you? | 18:35 |
| Lemminkainen | I'm going to Hackistan initially while looking for the right house | 18:35 |
| Lemminkainen | then it'll be Dre, Felson, Sugarbot, Edwin, myself, possibly heath and a JCF | 18:36 |
| cpopell | JCF? | 18:36 |
| cpopell | also, did Patrick drop out of lawschool? | 18:36 |
| heath | hackistan? | 18:37 |
| heath | please say that's a name of a hackerspace | 18:37 |
| heath | i love it | 18:37 |
| Lemminkainen | Hackistan is the name of a hacker co-op | 18:37 |
| heath | nice | 18:37 |
| Lemminkainen | JCF = Wonkerlos | 18:37 |
| Lemminkainen | saight, you ain't yet met him | 18:38 |
| cpopell | I've seen him on FB | 18:38 |
| cpopell | no offense | 18:38 |
| cpopell | but that house is going to be a madhouse | 18:38 |
| Lemminkainen | the hackerspaces in that area are the Crucible, Vulvan, and Sudo Room | 18:38 |
| Lemminkainen | *Vulcan | 18:38 |
| Lemminkainen | although Vulvan is an excellent name for a hackerspace | 18:39 |
| Lemminkainen | cpopell I'm fully aware that it's going to be a madhouse | 18:39 |
| gradstudentbot | Heh, undergrads. | 18:39 |
| cpopell | pbrag is getting married in a month | 18:40 |
| Lemminkainen | may his soul rest easy | 18:40 |
| cpopell | she's...cool | 18:41 |
| cpopell | did some systems bio | 18:41 |
| heath | don't mind me, just doing a whois | 18:43 |
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| @kanzure | beep boop | 21:29 |
| glims1 | 2130pst time and all is well | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | reporting in from san jose. | 21:29 |
| glims1 | how goes? any interesting projects? i'm researching some eye bioaugments right now... | 21:35 |
| @kanzure | what does "researching" mean. | 21:37 |
| glims1 | usually it means reading a bunch of science journal papers and looking for protocols and methods. | 21:39 |
| glims1 | i am doing this thing | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | well, if you need a paper, ask paperbot | 21:39 |
| glims1 | luckily, i work at a university, so i get proxy'd thru, but thank you for the heads up. i honestly would have had no idea what to do (first time on channel...) | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | most universities do not have access to all journals. | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | in fact, i've tested 1500 of them and none of them do | 21:42 |
| @kanzure | https://raw.github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/master/urls.txt | 21:43 |
| glims1 | wow. i've never hit a wall. | 21:44 |
| glims1 | hmm, the link you have for my university is not the same as i use in my bookmark bar. but maybe thats just cause i use the bookmark bar | 21:45 |
| glims1 | do you have a list of places i _can't_ get a paper? | 21:46 |
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| glims1 | regardless, thats an impressive list. i know who i should look to for help if i hit a wall. thank you. | 21:58 |
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| heath | kanzure: i have a friend in san jose, he'd give you a place to stay if needed | 22:28 |
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| AnySomebody | Sponsored by the NRA? | 23:09 |
| AnySomebody | I don't know, if I am willing to participate here if it is sponsored by the NRA | 23:09 |
| AnySomebody | Besides of that, I wanted to know if someone has heard of the open-rTMS project | 23:10 |
| @kanzure | heath: nope, i got a hotel suite. it came with a butler but i sent him home because wtf am i going to do with a butler in a hotel room? | 23:11 |
| @kanzure | AnySomebody: yes, we've heard of open-rtms. what do you want? | 23:11 |
| heath | that would be awkward :) | 23:12 |
| AnySomebody | Perhaps help with compiling it | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | compiling the software? | 23:12 |
| AnySomebody | Yeah | 23:12 |
| @kanzure | i thought it was just a makefile | 23:12 |
| AnySomebody | Yeah, perhaps I'm too stupid for makefiles? | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | uh.. | 23:13 |
| AnySomebody | I don't know, I wanted to import it as a project in Eclipse... and then I wanted to include mingw somewhere... | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | i don't recommend eclipse | 23:13 |
| AnySomebody | So, what do you suggest? | 23:13 |
| @kanzure | just use your system shell | 23:13 |
| AnySomebody | Well, I enter trunk/ControlSoftware/src | 23:15 |
| AnySomebody | But no makefile or similar | 23:15 |
| AnySomebody | So, probably I'm just too stupid *g* | 23:18 |
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| heath | paste the contents to gist.github.com | 23:18 |
| heath | strages: ya bastard | 23:18 |
| AnySomebody | Here are the contents: http://sourceforge.net/p/open-rtms/svn/31/tree/trunk/ | 23:19 |
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| strages | heath: ? | 23:21 |
| heath | pm | 23:21 |
| heath | was just saying hi | 23:21 |
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| AnySomebody | The author wrote me that it should compile for linux just fine but for windows he has some linking-problem | 23:22 |
| AnySomebody | I really would like to solve that problem but before I need to understand how to compile it all ;) | 23:23 |
| heath | looks like it depends upon wx | 23:23 |
| AnySomebody | Yeah, it does | 23:23 |
| AnySomebody | I installed wxwidgets therefore from aur... but I'm not sure if wxgtk would be also fine | 23:24 |
| heath | you're going to have to do something like g++ Open-rTMS.cpp -o ortms and read messages for this one | 23:24 |
| @kanzure | if it depends on wxwidgets then you should just ignore it completely | 23:25 |
| AnySomebody | Why -o ortms? | 23:26 |
| AnySomebody | Because wxwidgets is shit? *g* | 23:26 |
| heath | AnySomebody: that's an arbitrary name i made up for the compiled file | 23:26 |
| AnySomebody | Ah, ok | 23:26 |
| @kanzure | no, because there's no reason to write software to use a gui for a rtms device | 23:26 |
| @kanzure | the interface should be separate in a different software package | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | -o is for output objects | 23:27 |
| AnySomebody | It is? | 23:27 |
| AnySomebody | I mean, they have a gui and different software for the power pulse generator and so on | 23:27 |
| AnySomebody | Oh, in a different package you meant... | 23:28 |
| AnySomebody | Don't know, the project is not that far progressed... | 23:28 |
| AnySomebody | They even don't know what coils to use | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | i'm pretty sure they did, and then they forked to openstim or something | 23:28 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 23:28 | |
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| AnySomebody | What do you think they did? | 23:30 |
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| AnySomebody | Compilation does not find wxspec.h, but it is located at /usr/include/wx-2.8/wx/wxprec.h... how can I show him this directory? | 23:33 |
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