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| kanzure | Noryokusha: none of that is actually "what's going on" | 00:14 |
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| kanzure | Noryokusha: if you were actually keeping up, you would know that | 00:14 |
| kanzure | Noryokusha: piss off and die | 00:14 |
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| Noryokusha | whoa why the hostility | 00:23 |
| Noryokusha | i wasn't trying to be rude | 00:23 |
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| kanzure | you were telling me i was wrong but you didn't take the care to think about it (that's rude) | 00:37 |
| kanzure | if you're going to tell me i'm wrong then at least be kind enough to be right | 00:37 |
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| Noryokusha | hahahaha | 01:02 |
| Noryokusha | night man | 01:02 |
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| divergenta | hi! | 02:18 |
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| heath | divergenta: ahoy | 08:27 |
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| archels | hypothetically speaking, if I wanted to 3D print or otherwise manufacture a complex metal structure on the micrometer scale, where would I go? | 09:11 |
| kanzure | to a fib shop :P | 09:12 |
| archels | such as... | 09:13 |
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| kanzure | not sure | 09:20 |
| kanzure | also, universities sometimes have a mems fabrication shop | 09:21 |
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| archels | yeah, a colleague of mine uses a PDMS substrate for microchannels | 09:24 |
| archels | but no metal that I know of | 09:24 |
| ParahSai1in | what kind of features? | 09:25 |
| archels | fractal | 09:31 |
| archels | we're looking into form-function relationships in microelectrodes | 09:32 |
| ParahSai1in | 2 dimensional | 09:33 |
| archels | no, 3D, that's the point | 09:33 |
| archels | (no pun intended) | 09:33 |
| archels | :) | 09:33 |
| ParahSai1in | like very 3d? | 09:33 |
| archels | yes, complex geometry | 09:34 |
| ParahSai1in | you wouldnt go anywhere to have that done | 09:34 |
| archels | okay, it doesn't necessarily have to be a point-and-click webshop though | 09:36 |
| archels | or is it something that at this point can only be done in a few exclusive labs around the world? | 09:36 |
| ParahSai1in | that would be a five year paper at a handful of different research labs | 09:37 |
| ThomasEgi | archels, like the Utah-array? | 09:38 |
| archels | sure, something like that | 09:39 |
| ThomasEgi | what's the smallest structure in your geometry? | 09:40 |
| archels | on the order of a few micrometer | 09:42 |
| archels | a lot of the micromachining stuff I've come across is planar | 09:43 |
| archels | I thought 3D printing might have brought us a bit further by now. but it looks as though I'm mistaken | 09:44 |
| ThomasEgi | mostly a matter of budget | 09:44 |
| ThomasEgi | but "a few micrometers" can be as little as 3 micrometers. or something like 80μm there's a big difference inbetween those | 09:45 |
| archels | a few micrometers is ~5 um | 09:46 |
| archels | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890695504001518 | 09:46 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0890695504001518 | 09:47 |
| archels | subtractive, not additive manufacturing | 09:47 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag2/10.1016/j.ijmachtools.2004.06.006.pdf | 09:47 |
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| ParahSai1in | maybe consider something less ambitious | 09:47 |
| ThomasEgi | hm.. there is a company in germany that may be able to pull 3d structures off like that. let me skim over their design guide | 09:48 |
| ThomasEgi | i guess it's close to what you need | 09:50 |
| ThomasEgi | 3 to 5μm smallest structure size | 09:50 |
| Noryokusha | haha was using bro on you LO | 09:50 |
| Noryokusha | woops wrong channel | 09:50 |
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| ThomasEgi | http://www.microtec-d.com/ | 09:51 |
| archels | ThomasEgi: what sort of technology do they use? | 09:51 |
| ThomasEgi | no clue. seems they got their own thing running. | 09:52 |
| ThomasEgi | but they offer rather crazy stuff. | 09:52 |
| archels | Um eine Datei runterzuladen, geben Sie erst Ihre | 09:52 |
| archels | E-Mail Adresse ein. | 09:52 |
| archels | bastards | 09:52 |
| ThomasEgi | including micro optics, microfluid. integration of circuits. | 09:52 |
| ThomasEgi | i don't think you need a real one | 09:52 |
| ThomasEgi | as long as it looks like a mail address. | 09:53 |
| archels | hmm, it might be an option to make it out of polymer and then deposit a metal surface film | 09:56 |
| ThomasEgi | they can even integrate metal in the print | 09:56 |
| ThomasEgi | as far as i can tell | 09:57 |
| archels | oh yeah, nanoscribe.de. This is what I had in the back of my mind. | 09:57 |
| archels | 2-photon UV polymerization | 09:57 |
| ThomasEgi | my guess is you need a purse the size of a dumpster truck to get your stuff thone. but given you have the money. it may work out | 09:57 |
| archels | yeah we're writing the grant proposal now, so it's good to have a ballpark estimate | 09:58 |
| ThomasEgi | that empire state building looks impressive.. | 09:58 |
| ThomasEgi | from the nanoscribe | 09:58 |
| kanzure | i don't remember that line being in gradstudentbot | 10:01 |
| gradstudentbot | I am kind of curious what he has a Ph.D. in, I can't really find this anywhere, it could be underwater basket weaving for all I know. | 10:01 |
| archels | oh shit, it's becoming sentient | 10:03 |
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| heath | "Fun, get-things-done work environment -- work whenever you want, take days off whenever you want, as long as you're getting things done" | 10:52 |
| heath | wrong win, ignore | 10:52 |
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| heath | https://github.com/substack/exterminate | 14:49 |
| heath | neat | 14:49 |
| heath | was it someone in here who was testing various led lights for a new pcr machine? | 14:52 |
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| nmz787 | heath: maybe avery was | 15:34 |
| nmz787 | heath: but for a gel illuminator | 15:34 |
| heath | ah, that was it | 15:35 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: Noryokusha said they disagreed with you, never 'said' 'you're wrong' | 15:36 |
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| nmz787 | archels: http://www.norsam.com/ | 15:39 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://iopscience.iop.org/0960-1317/10/2/314/pdf/0960-1317_10_2_314.pdf | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00170-012-4605-2 | 15:43 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f3b4dd5831c36f8f7c9339a55e80d6fb.pdf | 15:43 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/db9ef762b96ababefd01d3cfd887a20e.txt | 15:43 |
| nmz787 | archels: ^ | 15:44 |
| nmz787 | archels: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/A_review_on_3D_micro-additive_manufacturing_technologies.pdf | 15:45 |
| nmz787 | archels: see the LCVD section on pg 13, and FIB on pg 14, materials comparisons on pg 18 | 15:49 |
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| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://doi.wiley.com/10.1002/adma.201204530 | 16:38 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/119ffc3a6434fb83027ad422e9323121.txt | 16:39 |
| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/adma.201204530/pdf | 16:40 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6cc536eae8e07f73e2ffdf20eba20d24.txt | 16:40 |
| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/adma.201204530/asset/2219_ftp.pdf?v=1&t=hklr82sz&s=eb2cde31aeeab791c501297c62c3ac8f57e5efd9 | 16:42 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/10a98ca9e12599d056889aa6d33dec6f.pdf | 16:42 |
| poppingtonic | 3rd time's the charm :) | 16:43 |
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| ParahSail1n | paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/adma.201204530 | 17:15 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/4edd9b4ae19439c871528dadeeb9703f.pdf | 17:15 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/nonspecialist/fakehostname | 23:06 |
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| archels | nmz787: cheers! | 23:45 |
| divergenta | may I ask how paperbot works? | 23:47 |
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| yashgaroth | divergenta: "paperbot [url]" | 23:55 |
| divergenta | thanks! | 23:57 |
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