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| Technicus | Hello . . . | 05:30 |
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| archels | hi | 05:37 |
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| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/adfm.201203122 | 05:42 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1002/adfm.201203122.pdf | 05:42 |
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| Technicus | < http://phoneblocks.com/ > | 06:23 |
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| ThomasEgi | Technicus, good luck connecting the 676 pins of a modern mobile CPU to the rest of the chips using a hand full of pins on the carrier board. | 06:24 |
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| Technicus | ThomasEgi: At least it is a creative idea. | 06:27 |
| * heath takes one of gradstudentbot's pipettes | 06:30 | |
| gradstudentbot | You know, I hear you make more money being a garbage man. | 06:30 |
| heath | :) | 06:30 |
| FourFire | phoneblocks looks interesting... but yeah issues would need to be resolved | 06:32 |
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| ThomasEgi | it is interesting. but it won't happen unless all manufactors of semiconductors agree on a rahter universal bus system and incorporate them into their chips. | 06:40 |
| gradstudentbot | His lab is so awkward. | 06:40 |
| ThomasEgi | and that takes throwing a lot of time and money at a lot of companies. i don't see that happen in forseeable future. | 06:40 |
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| FourFire | basically it's a nice thing which we can't have | 06:43 |
| ThomasEgi | well you can have it.. but not the size pictured there | 06:43 |
| ThomasEgi | it'd be more like.. a phonebrick | 06:43 |
| archels | yeah, that's kinda cute, but not really practical | 06:44 |
| ThomasEgi | good enough to leave someone a message.. | 06:44 |
| ThomasEgi | by attacking a piece of paper and smashing it throuh their window | 06:44 |
| ThomasEgi | *attaching | 06:45 |
| archels | this would be a good concept for a tricorder though, focusing purely on the sensorium | 06:45 |
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| FourFire | sure | 06:46 |
| ThomasEgi | transmitting a bit of sensoring data is a piece of cake, compared to shoving full-hd display data over a 4pin lego-brick-sized connector board | 06:47 |
| archels | speaking of which, y'all seen the mini 3D printed spectrometer? | 06:47 |
| FourFire | could you have an FPGA inside the base? | 06:47 |
| FourFire | all of the blocks ping "here I am" from each of their corner studs | 06:47 |
| archels | ThomasEgi: well, any serial protocol is feasible | 06:47 |
| FourFire | so that the base doesn't need to do a crazy exponential stud/hole ping search thing | 06:48 |
| FourFire | the pins/holes should be much smaller and an order of magnitude denser at least | 06:48 |
| ThomasEgi | archels, for transmitting some sensordata sure. but not for 60fps full hd video. you need propper electrical interfacing for that | 06:48 |
| kanzure | http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/09/12/introducing-the-qt-webengine/ | 06:49 |
| kanzure | they are switching to chromium | 06:49 |
| FourFire | can you do 1080p over USB3.0? | 06:49 |
| kanzure | but.. | 06:49 |
| kanzure | "If you use the QObject bridge or the QWebElement API, we recommend you wait a bit longer with moving, as a replacement API for those will most likely not be part of the first version of Qt WebEngine." | 06:49 |
| kanzure | the other downside is that this is still qt | 06:51 |
| kanzure | upside over libwebkitgtk+ is that qtwebkit actuall has pure headless. but it's sitll qt... | 06:51 |
| kanzure | *still | 06:51 |
| kanzure | so conflicted :) | 06:51 |
| ThomasEgi | FourFire, you could. but then you'd need to standardize on it. and your cpu would have to come with usb3 controllers and it would require them to integrate it. and the display controlle would have to be usb3 capable aswell. | 06:52 |
| kanzure | *actually | 06:52 |
| ThomasEgi | not sure about the power consumution of that aswell. | 06:52 |
| FourFire | couldn't the base contain? the controllers | 06:52 |
| FourFire | I dunno I think the problem *looks* solveable, just difficult, not impossible | 06:53 |
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| ThomasEgi | it is solvable, sure. but it requires manufactors to agree on a suited way to connect all the components using one and the same hardware mechanism | 06:56 |
| ThomasEgi | right now, pretty much every component comes with its own bus. for microphones alone there are like 4 differnt standards | 06:56 |
| kanzure | you mean microphones on mobile units have 4 different standards? | 06:57 |
| kanzure | or microphones in general | 06:57 |
| archels | ThomasEgi: it's not infeasible, those pins that they show on their mockups are too crude, but you can buy the necessary connectors for a few cents | 06:57 |
| archels | HDMI, USB3, gigabit ethernet, it's just a few differential pairs | 06:58 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah. the connectors are not the issue. | 06:59 |
| ThomasEgi | the problem is that each chip comes with a different interface. | 06:59 |
| ThomasEgi | and you can't really mix those well. so the chip manufactors would have to agree on an universal interface and incorporate them into their designs. | 07:00 |
| ThomasEgi | then it would work out quite nicely. | 07:00 |
| ThomasEgi | but without that integration. i'd say it just becomes too bulky | 07:01 |
| archels | yeah, it's definitely impractical and fairly non-elegant at the same time | 07:01 |
| kanzure | archels: i dunno if you've noticed, but often i just feed your comments straight into gradstudentbot | 07:03 |
| gradstudentbot | Someone stole my pipette. | 07:03 |
| archels | kanzure: haha | 07:03 |
| ThomasEgi | minipcie may be a sollution. but then , connecting a silly microphone over a pcie bus is overkill. | 07:03 |
| archels | then there's the tetris aspect of finding an optimal distribution of tiles | 07:04 |
| kanzure | you can just call it geometry layout, we wont mind | 07:05 |
| ThomasEgi | the thing is.. if they'd agree on an universal standard. then you could simply buy bricks for whatever and build your own devices at home. not limited to phones. but pretty much everything. | 07:06 |
| FourFire | yeah | 07:17 |
| FourFire | if making everything minipcie solves the other issues then overkill is worth it right? | 07:17 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't remember the paper, but someone definitely did that. | 07:18 |
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| ThomasEgi | FourFire, well it makes the "simple" components a lot more expensive. | 07:44 |
| ThomasEgi | cause they have to match the specs of the pcie bus. it could be done i guess. if someone were to throw enough money at companies. it may happen | 07:46 |
| ThomasEgi | someone like apple or microsoft. little chance for crowdfounding there , at least if you ask me. but who knows. i'd be all for it | 07:46 |
| ThomasEgi | usb3 doesn't sound half as bad either (power consumtion aside) | 07:46 |
| nalkri | Are you still talking about the lego phone? | 07:48 |
| nalkri | I think targetting a general PDA without worrying about radio network modules might be a useful stepping stone | 07:48 |
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| ThomasEgi | radio modules aren't really that difficult. those can be hooked up to rather lowspeed bus systems. | 07:50 |
| nalkri | no, but they add licensing constraints | 07:51 |
| nalkri | Especially the UHF voice/data bands used for mobile phones | 07:52 |
| nalkri | So I was mostly thinking in terms of separating technical challenges from social ones | 07:52 |
| chris_99 | i wonder if you could use a BladeRF as a phone | 07:53 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://prl.aps.org/pdf/PRL/v111/i11/e115003 | 09:35 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c37f47663a722d9091bb6597452831a.pdf | 09:35 |
| FourFire | AR LARP | 09:43 |
| FourFire | https://www.spaceglasses.com/applicants/254 | 09:44 |
| FourFire | not sure if desirable or not... | 09:44 |
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| anannie_ | paperbot: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=origin-of-life-on-earth | 09:46 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0AThe%20Origin%20of%20Life%20on%20Earth%20.txt | 09:46 |
| anannie_ | paperbot: http://ilpubs.stanford.edu:8090/422/ | 09:47 |
| nalkri | Egg salad sandwich | 09:47 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cced9b2a9865a61a6f42f3f58d10a06a.txt | 09:47 |
| anannie_ | kanzure: Paperbot is failing to get summaries... | 09:50 |
| kanzure | anannie_: post bug reports here, https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues | 09:55 |
| kanzure | anannie_: if you don't post the bug report, i will fail to remember to fix it | 09:55 |
| anannie_ | Okay | 09:55 |
| anannie_ | Will do | 09:56 |
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| efm | http://www.redpitaya.com | 11:27 |
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| poppingtonic | ping | 15:03 |
| kanzure | pong | 15:03 |
| poppingtonic | what's up? | 15:03 |
| kanzure | reverse engineering DCE/RPC things | 15:03 |
| poppingtonic | i have a random question about semiotics on github | 15:03 |
| kanzure | yes? | 15:04 |
| poppingtonic | it's about the homepage icon. which language is that supposed to be? I've seen it at a bunch of sites and it made me curious... | 15:05 |
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| skyLotus | hello | 18:34 |
| kanzure | hi. | 18:34 |
| skyLotus | I'm looking for ways I can get involved in diybio | 18:35 |
| kanzure | buy lab equipment for yourself, shun academic labs, become well versed in how to pronounce strange latin names | 18:36 |
| skyLotus | why shun academic labs? | 18:37 |
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| kanzure | skyLotus: because you'll be attracted to them, and that's not diybio | 18:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.sti.nasa.gov/find-sti/#ntrsNews | 18:39 |
| kanzure | "On September 6, 2013, after export control analysis, nearly 138K documents were reloaded to the NASA Technical Reports Server (NTRS). This action more than doubles the full-text STI content available from NTRS and represents 75% of the full-text available prior to the NTRS going off-line in March 2013. The STI Program Office, in conjunction with the Export Control Program, will continue to assess the remaining content and release documents ... | 18:39 |
| kanzure | ... deemed publically available." | 18:40 |
| skyLotus | Well maybe I'm not completely into diybio, it doesn't seem like it's really at a stage to do much atm | 18:41 |
| skyLotus | Or at least I'm not at the level to take advantage of what is available with diybio | 18:42 |
| kanzure | yes, you have to learn things on your own.. that's why it's diy. i don't see the disconnect ? | 18:42 |
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| skyLotus | well sure I could understand that, but I don't think diybio should be done for the sake of being diy but instead to get results | 18:44 |
| skyLotus | anyway, I admit I don't really know much so I'm just saying things. | 18:48 |
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| skyLotus | I'm kind of at a loss where to really start to do experiements / projects with biology | 18:50 |
| kanzure | "results" on what | 18:51 |
| kanzure | what are you doing, again? | 18:51 |
| skyLotus | "results" as I used is is pretty theoretical, I'm just saying that as it should be the primary factor. Ideally, I could say that it could mean a way of revolutionizing the biotech / biomedical industry through the use of diybio competing with biotech corporations like was done with the computer/electric industry...but as I said I don't really think it's at a stage to do something like | 18:55 |
| skyLotus | that and even if it were, I'm not at any stage to be able to help unless I learn a lot more than I already know | 18:55 |
| skyLotus | I am curious about how biology can be used to improve health and medicine, but i really am looking for ways to start experiementing and getting a better understanding of the field and what I can do - and really I don't care about the means of how I get there.. I'm just interested in how I can learn effectively | 18:58 |
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| skyLotus | so... yeah here I am | 19:02 |
| yashgaroth | textbooks | 19:04 |
| justanotheruser | hello | 19:04 |
| wallmani | skyLotus: are you a student in university? | 19:05 |
| skyLotus | I am | 19:05 |
| wallmani | what are your plans for this semester? | 19:05 |
| skyLotus | I'm taking some general science and math courses | 19:07 |
| skyLotus | I'm not really far into my schooling yet, but I want to start doing something on the side now so I know what I'm getting into and to see how to get more involved | 19:09 |
| skyLotus | I think it's best to be off to a good start from the beginning than later | 19:10 |
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| wallmani | skyLotus: that is true, and i'd recommend trying to get involved in some research laboratory | 19:17 |
| kanzure | that's what i told him not to do | 19:19 |
| kanzure | that's ont diy | 19:19 |
| kanzure | *not | 19:19 |
| skyLotus | yes but don't I have to start somewhere? | 19:22 |
| kanzure | yes, try the middle | 19:24 |
| kanzure | skyLotus: btw here's some things http://diyhpl.us/wiki/diybio/faq | 19:24 |
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| heath | don't click: http://exclusiverewards.gameccc.com/?sov=173652&hid=dljhhlhfpjhrdvpj&&&id=cGiveaways2 | 19:36 |
| * heath isn't sure where that came from | 19:36 | |
| heath | popped up in chrome | 19:37 |
| heath | chromium* | 19:37 |
| heath | last visited site: http://haskell-distributed.github.io/documentation.html | 19:38 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, I'm a 4th year. No wait, I'm a 6th year. | 19:38 |
| heath | the others are all snapframework.com | 19:38 |
| heath | oh well | 19:38 |
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| Tuxedage | Oh wow. This exists. | 20:41 |
| Tuxedage | I know like so many people in here. | 20:41 |
| Tuxedage | How have I not heard of this channel before | 20:41 |
| Tuxedage | Oh well. | 20:41 |
| n_bentha | welcome | 20:43 |
| Tuxedage | Thanks! | 20:43 |
| n_bentha | most r awake during usa 9-5 hrs | 20:47 |
| n_bentha | so that's whay it's a bit dead right now | 20:47 |
| * brownies pokes gradstudentbot | 20:47 | |
| brownies | gradstudentbot: wake up! get back to work! | 20:47 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, it's significant. | 20:47 |
| sbaugh | the sleeping mumblings of a gradstudent | 20:48 |
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| kanzure | it's not dead, we're just waiting. | 21:02 |
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| heath | i'm not dead, just boring | 21:24 |
| * brownies pokes gradstudentbot | 21:25 | |
| gradstudentbot | I am busy doing science, go away. | 21:25 |
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| Burninate | http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/65685-infrared-vision-through-supplementation-and-diet-restriction-34-dehydroretinol/ | 22:05 |
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| juri_ | someone print me new hands. | 22:58 |
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| justanotheruser | Is there any neat open hardware being developed by h++ people? | 23:36 |
| entelechios | justanotheruser: you write web code? | 23:38 |
| entelechios | oh wait hardware | 23:38 |
| entelechios | sorry i got mixed up there | 23:38 |
| justanotheruser | entelechios: not professionally | 23:41 |
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| entelechios | yeah hmm good question | 23:41 |
| entelechios | i'd be willing to bet there is | 23:41 |
| entelechios | those tDCS device schematics floating around are worth a laugh or two | 23:42 |
| entelechios | tCDS ** | 23:42 |
| entelechios | tDCS? tDCS. sheesh. | 23:42 |
| entelechios | these goons | 23:43 |
| entelechios | http://flowstateengaged.com/ | 23:43 |
| entelechios | ah, looks like they sold out after rethinking encouraging everyone to zap their brains a little. figures | 23:43 |
| entelechios | ah | 23:44 |
| entelechios | http://flowstateengaged.com/img/kickstarter-images/public-schematic.pdf | 23:44 |
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