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| archels | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/tor-attacks-nsa-users-online-anonymity | 03:21 |
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| archels | this would be a good fiction story, if it were fiction | 03:22 |
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| blueskin | oh look, Bruce Schneier | 03:25 |
| blueskin | guess he's stopped complaining about the TSA again now | 03:25 |
| blueskin | main reason I don't respect his judgement on anything that isn't directly crypto-related: http://snallabolaget.com/?p=2368 | 03:29 |
| blueskin | (great blog if you're interested in security-related topics, although it updates very slowly) | 03:29 |
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| soylentbomb | blueskin: If that's a typical post, I wouldn't exactly consider it a great blog. Most of that post relies on credentialism, and the last bit completely misses the point Schneier was making. | 04:10 |
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| blueskin | credentialism, maybe a bit, but experience isn't irrelevant - I certainly know more about security than the average random person, but I know I don't know enough to design security for an airport, for example | 04:14 |
| blueskin | the point was that he starts disagreeing with Sam Harris for exactly the same criticism he has of him that could be legitimately applied to himself | 04:15 |
| blueskin | ironically, before I read that post, I was a fan of both of them. Still a big fan of Sam Harris, but more mixed on Schneier. | 04:16 |
| chris_99 | who's sam harris | 04:17 |
| blueskin | by all means, everyone can comment on such topics, I can point out things the TSA do that are stupid, but I don't consider myself some expert on the topic to the point that my opinion is more valid than another person with a nonprofessional interest in security design | 04:18 |
| blueskin | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris_%28author%29 | 04:18 |
| blueskin | a few members of the PC brigade got upset a few years agowhen he suggested that profiling of high risk people was a good idea | 04:19 |
| blueskin | despite the fact that every airline ever does it anyway | 04:20 |
| soylentbomb | that doesn't make it okay. There's a world of difference between what's just or practical, and what's popular. | 04:21 |
| soylentbomb | and I disagree, and feel that the point Schneier was making was not on the existence or formality of security engineering as a profession, but the inadequacy of the general public and policymakers alike to recognize the need for competent security engineers in the creation of security schemes. | 04:21 |
| soylentbomb | Which the post you linked to completely failed to address, by presenting his point instead as "Bruce thinks he's coined another term" | 04:22 |
| blueskin | it's ok because it's stastically proven | 04:22 |
| blueskin | it's like how some people call studies proving racial variations in IQ "racist" | 04:22 |
| soylentbomb | :| | 04:22 |
| blueskin | no, they're not, they are just presenting data. | 04:23 |
| soylentbomb | That doesn't mean that the data presented has been collected in a way that adequately depicts reality. | 04:24 |
| soylentbomb | Which has been thoroughly detailed in the criticism you're dismissing. | 04:24 |
| blueskin | of course, there are always exceptions to a rule, but collecting data specifically with exceptions in mind is almost the very definition of cognitive bias. | 04:24 |
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| kanzure | that conversation was boring | 07:40 |
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| chris_99 | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=6007132 | 08:55 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2FTVCG.2011.144 | 08:55 |
| chris_99 | thankyou paperbot | 08:55 |
| kanzure | code is stronger than words | 08:56 |
| chris_99 | what needs doing? | 08:56 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues?state=open | 08:56 |
| ParahSai1in | heh | 08:56 |
| chris_99 | how would i test it, does it work locally? | 08:57 |
| kanzure | that's one component that hasn't been fixed yet | 08:58 |
| kanzure | writing a way to test it locally would be a useful thing to do | 08:58 |
| kanzure | e.g. just unit tests with mocked data | 08:58 |
| kanzure | possibly using the python "mock" module | 08:58 |
| kanzure | or "mockito" if you hate "mock" | 08:58 |
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| chris_99 | i'll see if i can fix a few things then as i know a bit of python | 08:59 |
| chris_99 | one other thing is libgen.org yours | 08:59 |
| chris_99 | as it's very slow atm | 09:00 |
| kanzure | libgen.org is unfortunately not mine | 09:00 |
| kanzure | i wish it was | 09:00 |
| chris_99 | ah | 09:00 |
| kanzure | for some stupid reason i can't arrange for that much storage | 09:00 |
| kanzure | i don't even have a backup of it :( | 09:00 |
| chris_99 | could it be crawled to backup? | 09:00 |
| kanzure | please don't | 09:00 |
| kanzure | they release torrents | 09:00 |
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| chris_99 | ah | 09:00 |
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| chris_99 | 3.3KB/s for that pdf :'( | 09:02 |
| kanzure | there are other mirrors of that library | 09:02 |
| kanzure | if it is an item that has been there for a few days then the other libraries should have it by now | 09:03 |
| kanzure | actually, i don't know what the replication rate is | 09:03 |
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| kanzure | ParahSai1in: so i was able to fix the problems with the post installer mostly | 09:05 |
| kanzure | ParahSai1in: the latest set of problems is (1) 64-bit brlcad installs to "Program Files (x86)" which doesn't make sense and (2) when i dlopen libbu.dll it complains about tcl.dll not being found. and when i load tcl.dll it complains about MSVCR100.dll not being found. | 09:06 |
| kanzure | also it turns out the only reliable way to detect 32-bit python vs 64-bit python is sys.maxint. (because this determines which architecture of brlcad to pick) | 09:07 |
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| kanzure | i need some awesome demo models for brlcad/python | 21:03 |
| kanzure | does anyone have some amazing cad models? | 21:04 |
| kanzure | possibly fighter jets and/or gundams | 21:04 |
| kanzure | need to pimp my readme | 21:04 |
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