2013-10-23.log

--- Log opened Wed Oct 23 00:00:02 2013
archelsnmz787, abetusk: "if you move, the perspective moves" so how can it work with more than one player at a time?01:10
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poppingtonicpaperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1186/gb-2013-14-10-r11501:20
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ec86d2402a99724039817009248f15eb.txt01:20
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archels.title01:47
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uahttp://i.imgur.com/DHaHB8F.jpg petri dish on human scale01:55
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archels http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zowi/xowi-the-worlds-first-personal-voice-companion-bad07:00
archelsge07:00
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@kanzureDEA7TH: hi12:06
DEA7THhello, kanzure12:07
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ParahSailinhi12:19
@kanzuresup12:20
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fennstill alive12:24
fennarchels: for castAR, the reflection is highly directional; a person standing next to you might see an image, but not if separated by a large angle12:26
archelsso you can only project on special materials?12:27
@kanzurefenn: i was going to start bugging you by phone to test your heartbeat12:27
fennlub dub12:27
fennarchels: it would be too dim to see without the retro-reflective material, but there's an attachment for the glasses to redirect the beam into your eyes12:28
fennkinda hacky but i don't see any better way to do it12:29
archelsahh okay. makes sense12:29
fennalso i don't really get why tracking position requires an ASIC12:29
archelslag, maybe12:29
fenni could see why you might need something special for markerless tracking, but not if it's just IR blob detection12:30
archelsso what do you think of this? isn't a bit pointless when we have glasses that project onto our eyes rather than the world?12:30
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fennthe FOV of most video glasses sucks, and the resolution also sucks, and they aren't designed with hackers in mind12:31
fenner, but the castAR attempts to solve these problems12:31
@kanzuremy brain has been rotting in san jose please save me12:32
fenni think the focus on dungeons and dragons is a bit misguided12:32
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fennalso the lead time of one year is hard to swallow12:34
archelsI'll take this instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsFMjMt_oGo12:36
ParahSailin.title https://www.nanoporetech.com/about-us/for-customers12:36
fennVRD's have been around for decades now but impossible to buy - has anyone actually got one?12:37
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DEA7THURD?12:43
fennalso i call bullshit on labeling it a VRD at all, since it's just a DMD chip from a projector the focus will be in a single plane12:45
fennunless it has some gee whiz optical tracking system that automatically adjusts the focus with your eye12:46
fennsince it looks like the avegant glasses are designed to watch movies, it probably doesn't matter12:47
DEA7THI tried Googling URD and it returned nothing12:50
fennget a better font12:50
fennor have your eyes checked :P12:50
fennVRD = virtual retinal display12:50
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DEA7THyeah I should change mirc12:52
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nmz787fenn: seems like the ASIC was doing the actual video processing, and Jeri mentioned it would likely be a metallized gate array, so I think that just means they'll buy unpackaged dies from other manufacturers, then package those dies into a single ASIC... so it's a space saving measure it seems14:56
ParahSailinan asic is a discrete die14:57
nmz787that's not what the name says14:59
ParahSailin?14:59
nmz787i mean, do you hav a reference for that14:59
ParahSailin.google ASIC15:00
nmz787you don't seem very interested in defending your point15:01
ParahSailinno i dont15:01
nmz787i guess these are a bit different http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-specific_integrated_circuit#Gate-array_design  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-chip_module15:04
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nmz787paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0167-4838(93)90070-815:25
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b1e991ae485463d00cce3658dcdbbc6f.txt15:25
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DEA7THIs there any low-hanging fruit I am probably not aware of because it is not very socially acceptable, similar to nootropics?15:48
DEA7THI'm a bit new to this group15:49
nmz787depends on your background/experience/skills and goals/interests15:50
DEA7THMy end goals aren't directly reachable and probably won't be in the next few decades.15:51
DEA7THAn intermediate goal of mine which is very close to the end goals is to have humanity reach technological singularity in a planned, controlled and successful way.15:52
nmz787what do you mean by singularity?15:53
DEA7THbuild a self-modifying artificial general intelligence which will hopefully result in an intelligence explosion15:53
nmz787could have some kids and teach them15:55
nmz787then you'd fulfill that goal using yourself15:55
DEA7THnot sure what you mean, but brains are too messed up and people cannot currently modify brains, not even understand them well15:55
nmz787otherwise seems like you might start by getting a degree/equivalent education in electrical engineering and computer science15:56
DEA7THa hardware-based intelligence will more easily understand and modify itself15:56
nmz787and bioteech and physics and chemsitry and sociology15:56
nmz787biology is hardware15:56
DEA7THyes, I was about to say my other intermediate goals15:56
nmz787when you teach a kid you modify it's brain15:56
nmz787aren't brains still more efficient per watt computationally than silicon?15:57
DEA7THMinimizing risk of death, learning things, possibly earning money.15:57
DEA7THI'm not sure, I don't know how people measure bandwidth15:57
nmz787if quantum computers can beat brains, then i'd say start working on quantum computing15:58
DEA7THI've seen some very gross assumptions, like that from a message from a neuron to another (as the result of a spike) is 1 byte15:58
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ThomasEgiDEA7TH, one bit would be more precise than 1 byte (as a byte is tradittionally considered 8 bit wide). but even that it's more like 1 baud instead of a bit.16:09
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nmz787DEA7TH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-density_modulation#Relationship_to_biology16:19
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DEA7THhm, I thought they vary16:43
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fredoxthats a terrible oversimplification17:17
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