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| nsh | paperbot: http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674897014 | 07:53 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b536bcd25ddb6a96d1953801c58d43ca.txt | 07:53 |
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| @kanzure | i don't think paperbot has done anything productive in weeks | 08:37 |
| nsh | that was a book anyway; i fired before checking :) | 08:38 |
| nsh | how are you kanzure? | 08:38 |
| nsh | any good SCIENCE lately? | 08:38 |
| @kanzure | dying on the inside | 08:38 |
| @kanzure | contracting my soul out | 08:38 |
| @kanzure | been in a hotel for 3 weeks | 08:38 |
| nsh | sounds crap. does it pay well? | 08:39 |
| ParahSail1n | is firefox still single process? | 08:39 |
| ParahSail1n | kanzure, whos in san diego | 08:39 |
| nsh | yes, but it uses the RAM of several thousand processes | 08:40 |
| nsh | (dunno) | 08:40 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: jojack, yashgaroth | 08:40 |
| @kanzure | ParahSail1n: jonathan cline | 08:40 |
| ParahSail1n | no i mean, who you contracting for | 08:40 |
| @kanzure | san jose | 08:40 |
| @kanzure | it's quite a strange life. so now i have this driver that drives me everywhere.. | 08:42 |
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| ParahSail1n | i knew you worked for the feds | 08:49 |
| * nsh tries again for the fun of it | 08:49 | |
| nsh | paperbot, http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/140155/henry-farrell-and-martha-finnemore/the-end-of-hypocrisy | 08:49 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3ed6f834d8b84dedf73c2df55a66a923.txt | 08:49 |
| nsh | nope | 08:50 |
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| Lemminkainen | paperbot http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v2/n5/abs/nnano.2007.108.html | 13:50 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnnano.2007.108 | 13:50 |
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| AshleyWaffle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f8ljnIMFQ7Y | 14:28 |
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| @kanzure | beep boop | 18:52 |
| @kanzure | .title | 18:52 |
| yoleaux | Reverse Cowgirl with a Philips CD-i. | 18:52 |
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| delinquentme | hio hio hio hio | 21:08 |
| @kanzure | i wasn't aware that .inputrc could force readline to use vi for line editing | 21:12 |
| @kanzure | echo "set editing-mode vi" >> ~/.inputrc | 21:12 |
| @kanzure | ipython is now even more confusing and magical | 21:12 |
| @kanzure | maybe one day i will actually learn readline | 21:17 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I has no crazy cool projects to save humanity with | 21:21 |
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| delinquentme | watched a coo video on photolitohgraphy which was pretty cool / informative / mind blowing on the associated costs | 21:21 |
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| delinquentme | i tink its one of these things where I just need to pick a few things I'm decent at ... map out some future path that they might go | 21:32 |
| delinquentme | and build small tools | 21:32 |
| delinquentme | lames! its like the same operation everyone does! | 21:32 |
| @kanzure | yes, there's no mystical force field | 21:34 |
| Lemminkainen | not for you there isn't | 21:39 |
| Lemminkainen | you don't believe in it | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | what? | 21:40 |
| Lemminkainen | is joke | 21:42 |
| Lemminkainen | I have brought humor to your cold and desolate homeland, kanzure | 21:42 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, NO LOL. | 21:47 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, anything cool happening in the email lists? | 21:48 |
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| @kanzure | no, just lots of tinfoil hat stuff | 21:48 |
| delinquentme | also do you happen to have an opinion on feeding budding neurons random input from a microcontroller just to see what they do | 21:48 |
| delinquentme | has already been done? | 21:48 |
| delinquentme | BLARGH! | 21:48 |
| @kanzure | anyone else notice how quickly our fbi friends have stopped taking us out for snacks :( | 21:48 |
| @kanzure | yes it has been done | 21:49 |
| delinquentme | link? | 21:49 |
| delinquentme | also any idea if these can be used to sayyyy ... generate random numbers? | 21:49 |
| @kanzure | tissue cultures in a petri dish with electrodes is a very common electrophysiology setup | 21:49 |
| @kanzure | if you want to generate random numbers then you should consider a webcam pointed at a drum with sand or something | 21:49 |
| delinquentme | I was musing on the idea of applications in the d-wave esque manner | 21:50 |
| Lemminkainen | delinquentme budding neurons are very tempermental to culture | 21:50 |
| delinquentme | something sufficiently complex to polarize people who know what they're talking about | 21:50 |
| delinquentme | then just let them do my marketing | 21:50 |
| delinquentme | idk ... cryptographic key generation from bio neuron boxes or some shit like that | 21:50 |
| @kanzure | uh. | 21:50 |
| delinquentme | throw in inputs from cellular automata and you've got a research paper with KEYWORDSSS | 21:51 |
| @kanzure | so your goal is to write a paper? | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | no right. I have no idea what that would look like ... or ever what IO to / from neuron cells would look like | 21:51 |
| Lemminkainen | noisy | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | nah my goal was to do something novel | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | maybe sell a biological / computer interfaced product | 21:51 |
| delinquentme | also have been thinking about spray on bio films which could be applied to 6DOF arm robots to help them sense their surroundings | 21:52 |
| Lemminkainen | delinquentme you ain't been at a wet lab bench before, have you? | 21:52 |
| delinquentme | IDK how that would even work but keeps popping up in my head | 21:52 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, lick them all the time | 21:53 |
| delinquentme | but nah Im first a programmer | 21:53 |
| Lemminkainen | I can see that | 21:53 |
| Lemminkainen | you are showing some drastic oversimplifications of biology here | 21:53 |
| delinquentme | I also thought about showing up at churchs lab and just being like Im here for a month | 21:53 |
| delinquentme | i have X skills | 21:53 |
| delinquentme | put me to work | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | getting into his lab is very competitive | 21:53 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, well flesh it out | 21:53 |
| @kanzure | no, fuck you | 21:54 |
| @kanzure | YOU flesh it out | 21:54 |
| Lemminkainen | ^ agreed | 21:54 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, its hella easy to sit there and be like " you're not right " | 21:54 |
| Lemminkainen | I mean, how are your bioneuro boxes even going to poop? | 21:54 |
| delinquentme | its also utterly unconstructive | 21:54 |
| Lemminkainen | now, Carl, we can't do your homework for you at every stage | 21:54 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, srsly. that. Thats what first comes to mind? | 21:54 |
| Lemminkainen | yes, that | 21:54 |
| * delinquentme smh | 21:55 | |
| Lemminkainen | you want to culture live cells for computation and ship it as a product? | 21:55 |
| Lemminkainen | those cells metabolise | 21:55 |
| Lemminkainen | they produce waste products | 21:55 |
| Lemminkainen | how you going to flush that? | 21:55 |
| delinquentme | Yes but its *UTTERLY* trivial | 21:55 |
| Lemminkainen | then go build it already | 21:55 |
| Lemminkainen | talk is cheap, boyo | 21:55 |
| delinquentme | stick it about a stinking flask and let it drain. | 21:55 |
| delinquentme | thats totally an uninsteresting portion of the problem | 21:55 |
| ParahSail1n | ah geez | 21:55 |
| delinquentme | non-complex | 21:55 |
| delinquentme | whats the complex shit | 21:55 |
| Lemminkainen | so you want to just let it drain and get contaminated all to hell? | 21:56 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, This is us talking about designing a Dwave clone ... and you're like WHY do you make the box pink? | 21:57 |
| @kanzure | uh.. dwave is not what you think it is, apparently. | 21:57 |
| delinquentme | jesus. | 21:57 |
| delinquentme | is this channel nothing but dick measuring? | 21:57 |
| @kanzure | nobody has measured your penis | 21:57 |
| @kanzure | please stay on topic | 21:57 |
| delinquentme | I'm saying foster some thought here. | 21:58 |
| ParahSail1n | everything you say here is retarded, delinquentme | 21:58 |
| delinquentme | ParahSail1n, listen. while trolling is cute. do it on reddit ok? | 21:59 |
| @kanzure | delinquentme: let's start over. are you trying to describe something you have already built, or are planning to build? | 21:59 |
| delinquentme | It was a thought that a friend out here was talking about ... and it sounds interesting. So I wanted to see if there are any related products or corresponding research | 22:00 |
| delinquentme | as to not just recreate something already done | 22:00 |
| @kanzure | okay, please explicitly define what this thought is | 22:01 |
| delinquentme | " What is some neural cell / microcontroller integration which is worth money in the market ? " | 22:02 |
| @kanzure | which market? | 22:02 |
| delinquentme | http://www.biophysics.com/index.php | 22:02 |
| @kanzure | that is not a market. | 22:03 |
| delinquentme | true. | 22:03 |
| delinquentme | something supported by insurance | 22:03 |
| @kanzure | also, that's for researchers. those tissue cultures don't lsat more than a few weeks unless you take measures to go freeze them. and even then your lines die because your researchers are fuckwads. | 22:03 |
| delinquentme | IDK maybe cryoing neuron precursors ... I wonder if theres value in this... | 22:04 |
| @kanzure | "yeah let's eat cheetos and then put smudgey petri dishes in the -80, that'll fucking stop infections" | 22:04 |
| delinquentme | esp with the recent research published with migration of the omnipotent cells to a localized superficial area of the brain | 22:04 |
| delinquentme | +1 for extraction | 22:05 |
| delinquentme | Insurance policy for athletes getting their heads beaten? | 22:05 |
| @kanzure | you are just saying random things | 22:06 |
| ParahSail1n | is there a coherent proposal here or brainstorming | 22:06 |
| delinquentme | You dont think thats a good idea? | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | that doesn't answer his question | 22:06 |
| delinquentme | +1 covered by insurance +1 happens to be a high value market +1 its just cryo of the cells | 22:06 |
| Lemminkainen | there are many ideas here, all cantilevered upon a misunderstanding of basic biology | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | what does "+1 | 22:06 |
| delinquentme | the worst part is the extraction | 22:06 |
| @kanzure | " mean | 22:06 |
| delinquentme | yeah ParahSail1n pissed me off so | 22:07 |
| delinquentme | good things for the project | 22:07 |
| @kanzure | what project?? | 22:07 |
| ParahSail1n | as i said, everything hes saying, and has ever said here is retarded | 22:07 |
| delinquentme | this idea | 22:07 |
| delinquentme | ParahSail1n, *pats head* | 22:07 |
| delinquentme | gj | 22:07 |
| delinquentme | IDK man. perhaps this is explicitly an anti-pattern for making shit | 22:08 |
| delinquentme | making shit = coming up w ideas ! | 22:08 |
| @kanzure | you're not coming up with ideas though | 22:09 |
| @kanzure | you're just guessing | 22:09 |
| @kanzure | ideas are connected to reality | 22:09 |
| delinquentme | *shrug* | 22:10 |
| delinquentme | thanks for being helpful | 22:10 |
| @kanzure | you have to use evidence about biology to inform your hypothesis about how the world works | 22:10 |
| @kanzure | you're welcome | 22:10 |
| delinquentme | thats kind of why im here | 22:10 |
| delinquentme | so is it more productive for the good of all ... to take time and explain | 22:10 |
| ParahSail1n | maybe go learn stuff first | 22:11 |
| delinquentme | orrr just you know ... DO what Lemminkainen and ParahSail1n do | 22:11 |
| Lemminkainen | delinquentme you know me IRL | 22:11 |
| delinquentme | ParahSail1n, RTFM is a shitty heuristic. | 22:11 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, maybe | 22:11 |
| ParahSail1n | i hear the internet is a lot bigger than it was when i was a kid | 22:11 |
| delinquentme | ParahSail1n, and its also quite efficient at connecting people | 22:11 |
| delinquentme | however also suffers from the anonymity effects | 22:12 |
| Lemminkainen | delinquentme the biggest problem in this thread so far is that you have conflated making shit to coming up with ideas. it's very far from the truth | 22:12 |
| Lemminkainen | coming up with ideas is very cheap | 22:12 |
| Lemminkainen | making them is not | 22:12 |
| Lemminkainen | make 1 idea | 22:12 |
| Lemminkainen | JUST ONE | 22:12 |
| Lemminkainen | in bio | 22:12 |
| Lemminkainen | and then we can have a better discussion | 22:12 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, this is what all of the rails kids claim. | 22:12 |
| ParahSail1n | rails? | 22:12 |
| delinquentme | nm | 22:12 |
| delinquentme | we can talk, be friendly and supportive | 22:12 |
| delinquentme | orr we no talk | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | *shurg! * | 22:13 |
| Lemminkainen | delinquentme you're actually exhibiting a lot of Ruby on Rails thought patterns here | 22:13 |
| Lemminkainen | "everything is meta!" | 22:13 |
| Lemminkainen | "if I just write a wrapper for a library I am contributing!" | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | ahhh ok cool | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | yeahhh this is why the bitterness! | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | sorry dude. | 22:13 |
| Lemminkainen | "I don't need to know best practices for CORS! Rails does it for me!" | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | *hug* | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | i hope you feel better | 22:13 |
| Lemminkainen | those same assumptions, you are putting onto bio | 22:13 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, do you sleep better at night with this feeling? | 22:14 |
| Lemminkainen | I've told you before, in person, that to really get this, to become actualized at all in this field, you need to go make something | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | like are you trying to make progress collectively | 22:14 |
| Lemminkainen | go make something, anything in bio | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | or just pad your ego? | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | go make an application? | 22:14 |
| Lemminkainen | not an app | 22:14 |
| Lemminkainen | bio isn't fucking apps | 22:14 |
| Lemminkainen | go make a device | 22:14 |
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| Lemminkainen | do an experiment | 22:14 |
| Lemminkainen | anything | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | instead of sitting around learning new who knows what obscure programming languages | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | hahaha damn dude. | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | you bitter? | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | whats this about? | 22:14 |
| delinquentme | actually dates here | 22:15 |
| delinquentme | have a good one | 22:15 |
| delinquentme | thanks for the helpish | 22:15 |
| Lemminkainen | thanks for the sound and fury | 22:15 |
| delinquentme | lemme know when you deliver that bio based encryption hotness ja? | 22:16 |
| Lemminkainen | you figured it out! | 22:16 |
| Lemminkainen | have a candy | 22:16 |
| delinquentme | heres where I get to say you fail to comprehend what you're working on :D | 22:18 |
| delinquentme | from someone whos implemented auth systems :D | 22:18 |
| delinquentme | oh and deployed em :D | 22:18 |
| Lemminkainen | you know nothing of my consulting work, for one | 22:18 |
| Lemminkainen | and for another, you clearly don't understand what I'm working on | 22:18 |
| delinquentme | good argument. | 22:18 |
| delinquentme | im out | 22:18 |
| entelechios | lulz they're paying him | 22:32 |
| entelechios | whoa this isn't the right channel. | 22:35 |
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| @kanzure | http://legaltimes.typepad.com/files/aclu-lavabit.pdf | 23:17 |
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| justanotheruser | Hello | 23:24 |
| soylentbomb | yo | 23:26 |
| justanotheruser | Whats new in hplusroadmap? | 23:28 |
| * soylentbomb shrugs | 23:36 | |
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