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| archels | http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/10/02/1312691110 | 09:34 |
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| archels | Cortical columns are thought to be the elementary functional building blocks of sensory cortices. Here we show that the cellular architecture of cortical “barrel” columns in rodent somatosensory cortex is not stereotypic, but specific for each whisker on the animals’ snout. | 09:34 |
| archels | Our findings challenge the concepts underlying contemporary simulation efforts that build up large-scale network models of repeatedly occurring identical cortical circuits. | 09:34 |
| * archels guffaws | 09:34 | |
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| @kanzure | archels: well that sounds like good news | 10:07 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/10/02/1312691110 | 10:12 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Cellular%20organization%20of%20cortical%20barrel%20columns%20is%20whisker-specific.pdf | 10:13 |
| @kanzure | geeze what a ridiculous dsl for python http://pythonhosted.org/should_dsl/available_matchers.html | 10:13 |
| @kanzure | oh cool paperbot did the right thing for once | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | archels: it's good news because that means we just have to stare at slices of cortex and then make models | 10:14 |
| ParahSailin | whoa what syntax is that | shit | 10:14 |
| @kanzure | i assume black magic | 10:14 |
| ParahSailin | is that quasiquoting or something? | 10:14 |
| ParahSailin | or is that overloading of or? | 10:15 |
| ParahSailin | lol | 10:15 |
| ParahSailin | yeah, gross | 10:16 |
| ParahSailin | wtf people | 10:16 |
| archels | kanzure: it does not bode well for strongly reduced/simplified models though | 10:21 |
| archels | I suppose 'columns' can still be somewhat elementary building blocks, but it's becoming ever less likely | 10:22 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: whats been going on with paperbot? | 10:24 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: nothing :( | 10:32 |
| @kanzure | archels: yeah but this is good news because maybe people will now actually believe the brain's structure is fucking relevant | 10:32 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: did sci-hub cut us off? | 10:40 |
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| @kanzure | ParahSailin: no idea, i haven't investigated | 11:08 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/RecentIssue.jsp?punumber=10 | 11:24 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9b1a919b4d9ef597248fe3e910704bb4.txt | 11:24 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=125006&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F8843%2F27977%2F01250065.pdf%3Farnumber%3D125006 | 11:30 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1109%2F10.125006 | 11:30 |
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| @kanzure | apparently brlcad is used by lots of windows users :( | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/files/stats/os | 12:57 |
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| fenn | archels: if you can teach a blind man to use a cane, does it matter that mice have specially evolved processing circuits for whiskers? | 13:48 |
| fenn | if the goal is to simulate a mouse brain, why bother with abstraction at all, just digitize actual mouse brains | 13:50 |
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| @kanzure | fenn: the fascination with trying to do brain things without looking at brains is really curious | 14:00 |
| @kanzure | fenn: also i found your doppleganger and it is weird | 14:00 |
| fenn | well it depends on your idea of "brain things" | 14:00 |
| fenn | which doppleganger? there are several | 14:00 |
| @kanzure | jquast has many of your physical mannerisms | 14:01 |
| @kanzure | worked as a sysadmin for a long time, started doing linux things in '97ish or earlier | 14:01 |
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| fenn | symptoms of late stage progression of the disease | 14:02 |
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| @kanzure | nah he is missing that disease; that's where the similarity stops i think | 14:02 |
| fenn | he really likes serial ports | 14:05 |
| ThomasEgi | i see no problem with liking seiral ports. they often saved my day when everything else failed. simple, robust, easy to work with. | 14:06 |
| fenn | i don't disagree | 14:07 |
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| @kanzure | i wonder if people have been trying to do abstractions because they are too lazy to figure out how to deal with all the data from scanning | 14:09 |
| @kanzure | or maybe they just don't have all of the neuron types characterized | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | but that seems like a fairly blunt list of things to do.. a rare feat in research. | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | "now we have to character 300 types of neurons" => great.. scale up some drones. get the dishes going. | 14:10 |
| @kanzure | *characterize | 14:10 |
| fenn | probably because their scan data isn't big enough or high enough resolution | 14:10 |
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| fenn | dingo: are you jquast? | 14:12 |
| dingo | i am! crap, who are you! | 14:13 |
| fenn | your government-assigned super snooper | 14:13 |
| fenn | well anyway apparently we were cloned from the same vat | 14:15 |
| dingo | ah | 14:17 |
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| dingo | yes aparently we wave our hands around the same way | 14:19 |
| fenn | oogedy boogedy boo | 14:19 |
| fenn | i am not a crook | 14:19 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22790702 | 14:23 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.aca.2012.06.002 | 14:24 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i'm not happy about how a lot of that research data is not available, though | 14:33 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i'm also disappointed with the computational models available so far | 14:33 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i don't want to end up with merk-style books ("here is your billion tables of neuron properties, have fun assholes") | 14:34 |
| fenn | the data sets would be in the hundreds of terabytes though, how do you make that 'available'? | 14:34 |
| @kanzure | so, i don't actually mean "all possible data" | 14:35 |
| fenn | dingo: any thoughts on terminal based calendar programs? i've been using calcurse and am less than impressed | 14:35 |
| @kanzure | even the abstract thought ("data based on evidence") is a step up from the current situation | 14:35 |
| @kanzure | like, even just something based on the physical reality | 14:35 |
| @kanzure | the yales NEURON program for example provides some rudimentary modeling capabilities | 14:35 |
| @kanzure | instead of talking about brain regions they should use ids that refer to entries on a ncbi.nlm.nist.nih.gov site, and then those ids can have properties and things based on, you know, data | 14:36 |
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| fenn | but that's not "natural language", i mean humans don't generally speak out loud in long digit sequences or urls | 14:38 |
| fenn | they want to say, "the frobenius frobnicator is laterally impelled to digitate your mom" | 14:38 |
| fenn | whereas RDF or (potentially) lojban might be less ambiguous | 14:39 |
| fenn | remember how hard it was just to define what counted as a chair? | 14:40 |
| @kanzure | i don't care; it's their jobs to be internally consistent | 14:40 |
| fenn | there's always going to be ontological incompatibility | 14:40 |
| @kanzure | i don't care if they use multiple ontologies | 14:41 |
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| dingo | fenn: i just use 'cal', no, but i am working a lot with the 'blessings' project for python if you care to author one of your own :-) | 14:43 |
| dingo | could help you w/that | 14:43 |
| dingo | trying to get keyboard input submitted upstream | 14:43 |
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| fenn | dingo: i meant more like an appointment book, but yeah i might scratch something out once i start making appointments again | 14:44 |
| dingo | i'm very much a terminal programer | 14:45 |
| fenn | what's "trying to get keyboard input submitted upstream" mean exactly? | 14:46 |
| dingo | the 'blessings' project on pypi doesn't support keyboard input yet | 14:47 |
| dingo | 'blessings' is to 'curses' for python as 'requests' is to 'urllib2' | 14:47 |
| @kanzure | obv. you should just use urwid | 14:47 |
| dingo | they have different goals, very different | 14:48 |
| dingo | urwid: | 14:48 |
| dingo | move_cursor_to_coords(size, x, y) | 14:48 |
| dingo | Set the cursor position with (x,y) coordinates. Returns True if move succeeded, False otherwise. | 14:48 |
| dingo | blessings: | 14:48 |
| dingo | print term.move(x, y) | 14:48 |
| fenn | urwid looks more like the "dialog box" thing on a linux install | 14:49 |
| dingo | urwid is definitely not 'requests', its more like 'twisted' or something worse | 14:49 |
| dingo | in that the interface is very very involved | 14:49 |
| fenn | what i've seen so far of x84/blessings is closer to my impedance :) | 14:50 |
| dingo | yeah trying to get this pull in first: https://github.com/erikrose/blessings/pull/43 | 14:51 |
| dingo | you can word-wrap colored text, or center, rjust/ljust, something urwid can't do, either, i dont think | 14:52 |
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| archels | fenn: I agree whole-heartedly | 15:04 |
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| sbaugh | fenn: i'm also looking for a working terminal based calendar program - namely one that works with caldav | 15:13 |
| sbaugh | i'm almost resigned at this point to eventually switching to emacs and using org-mode | 15:14 |
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| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/biomedical/devices/teeny-tiny-pacemaker-fits-inside-the-heart | 16:00 |
| delinquentme | so just on the topic of the thing where execution > ideas ( always ) ... theres a reason that its not all about execution. | 16:00 |
| delinquentme | its necessary truly, but its also a sentiment passed around the startup scene because thats what VCs want to perpetuate. | 16:01 |
| fenn | delinquentme: i think you got "spray on bio films which could be applied to 6DOF arm robots" from the hit hollywood movie "the terminator" | 16:13 |
| delinquentme | fenn, sure these are just meant to be throw out ideas | 16:14 |
| delinquentme | something meant to incite conversation .. I guess it worked but not exactly as I had expected | 16:14 |
| @kanzure | why are you "throwing out ideas" | 16:14 |
| @kanzure | okay.. that's not how conversation works. | 16:14 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, bc unimpressed with speed of things. even in SV | 16:15 |
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| fenn | i think the issue is they aren't fully formed ideas | 16:16 |
| delinquentme | correct | 16:16 |
| fenn | a random number generator, great, but when it can be outperformed by a solid state device that costs 10 cents, why bother? | 16:16 |
| delinquentme | but its also a big negative when I cant get feedback from networks | 16:17 |
| ParaSa1lin | i think you dont have enough domain knowledge to produce any somewhat-formed ideas | 16:17 |
| delinquentme | Its also a HUGE negative for all of us when IRL social networks have a bit better interplay | 16:17 |
| @kanzure | no, we'd be just as annoyed at you in person | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | I want to see more collaborations happening online ... and esp if we want to see anyone do something in here well one method is clearly better than another | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, sadly you fall into the category of kissing ass and really non-novel thought forming | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, nah you're pretty benign in person | 16:18 |
| ParaSa1lin | do you have anything to contribute to a collaboration other than entropy source? | 16:18 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, go jump off a bridge | 16:19 |
| delinquentme | seriously. | 16:19 |
| fenn | yeah we don't really need to use a human as an entropy source, there's chatbots like gradstudentbot that can do that | 16:19 |
| * fenn looks around and shrugs | 16:19 | |
| delinquentme | I dont even think you've posted up your RL creds and you're flamingly good at critiquing other ideas when not introducing anything novel. | 16:20 |
| ParaSa1lin | maybe a human would be a cryptographic quality entropy source | 16:20 |
| fenn | delinquentme: it's obnoxious when you do a drive-by idea tossing | 16:20 |
| delinquentme | fenn, well I suppose thats where RL would win out. | 16:20 |
| ParaSa1lin | meh, anywhere here knows who i am if theyre paying attention | 16:21 |
| delinquentme | If you want that to be the case ( where RL at least we're not flaming assholes to one another ) | 16:21 |
| delinquentme | well continue along the current path | 16:21 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, you said you interned at sens | 16:21 |
| @kanzure | this is not about "irc versus in person" | 16:21 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect | 16:22 |
| @kanzure | i assure you i do not suffer from in-person disinhibition | 16:22 |
| @kanzure | or.. erm.. the other way around. | 16:22 |
| delinquentme | yes. Im assured. | 16:22 |
| @kanzure | okay, so now that it's not "irc vs in person", maybe you'll listen | 16:23 |
| delinquentme | thats an interesting projection onto the vagueness of the statement | 16:23 |
| fenn | irc is pseudonymous, not anonymous </pedantry> | 16:23 |
| delinquentme | TLDR: I really hope that IRC would be a place where discussions can be made | 16:23 |
| delinquentme | It feels hostile | 16:23 |
| delinquentme | if thats what you're going for | 16:23 |
| @kanzure | you're really not bringing up discussions though | 16:24 |
| fenn | because you tend to disrupt conversations and steer them towards random ends | 16:24 |
| @kanzure | i don't see why you don't understand any of us | 16:24 |
| fenn | or at best show up and drop a turd in the middle of the room and run off | 16:25 |
| delinquentme | Ah man. I guess this is what happens when I just dont behave / think in process like the rest of you huh? | 16:26 |
| delinquentme | coooool ! little circle jerk boys club | 16:26 |
| fenn | then when someone challenges your idea, you rail about the unfairness of the world and double standards | 16:26 |
| delinquentme | Theres a distinct difference between useful and unuseful crits | 16:27 |
| delinquentme | " thats stupid RTFM " | 16:27 |
| fenn | but you never RTFM | 16:27 |
| delinquentme | yes because thats a shitty response | 16:27 |
| @kanzure | what | 16:28 |
| delinquentme | thats the academic upbringing lazy response. | 16:28 |
| @kanzure | reading things? | 16:28 |
| fredox | "there are no stupid questions, only stupid people" | 16:28 |
| delinquentme | its " I don't want to think so you should read this 10k page manual " | 16:28 |
| fenn | not reading things and wanting people to spoon feed it to you is the lazy attitude | 16:28 |
| delinquentme | fenn, I assume out of anyone in here that you've worked in a lab space. | 16:29 |
| delinquentme | So tell me about how everyone knows everything else. | 16:29 |
| delinquentme | tell me about how the skillsets are totally complete and homogenous. | 16:29 |
| delinquentme | do you see the point I'm trying to make here? | 16:29 |
| fenn | um, you want me to try to extrapolate their educational histories from what i've read on IRC? | 16:30 |
| delinquentme | Do you want it to be collaborative and " fill in the blanks where I can for my kin " | 16:30 |
| delinquentme | or do you want this " I'm too busy to be bothered " | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | fenn: i think there's a deeper underlying bug here | 16:30 |
| @kanzure | fenn: like it's not just spoon feeding; like maybe he has a completely bonkers "theory of knowledge" | 16:30 |
| fenn | kanzure: i think it's just a feeling of entitlement | 16:30 |
| ParaSa1lin | maybe hes just not effective in researching answers to simple questions | 16:31 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I'm saying if someone doesn't know something it cant hurt that bad to fill in their misunderstandings | 16:31 |
| delinquentme | MAYBE thats what a collaboration should be? | 16:31 |
| @kanzure | we never agreed to collaborate on your fake project | 16:31 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, if it was a simple question then all the more reason you should have answered it no? | 16:31 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, then dont. | 16:31 |
| delinquentme | fucking ignore me if it makes you feel better. | 16:32 |
| fenn | delinquentme: so, i learned electronics over IRC from an EE. i would read articles and projects on the web, and when i didn't understand things i would ask for clarification about why they did something a particular way. often the response was to go read a wikipedia article on some subject, which i did | 16:32 |
| delinquentme | fenn, totally and thats fine. | 16:33 |
| fenn | i never railed about how unfair it was that they didn't copy and paste the article sentence by sentence into the client | 16:33 |
| delinquentme | But its also built in that the individual who has the knowledge is too busy to explain it. | 16:33 |
| delinquentme | I mean WHY do programming abstractions work ? | 16:33 |
| delinquentme | Because we're not repeating work. | 16:33 |
| delinquentme | Why does knowlege have to be so substantially different? | 16:33 |
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| fenn | exactly, which is why you should read the link instead of whining about how they aren't helping | 16:33 |
| ParaSa1lin | hm "completely bonkers theory of knowledge" | 16:34 |
| fenn | we dont want to repeat the work of typing in a wikipedia article | 16:34 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, go for it. That was a well articulated thought | 16:34 |
| fenn | i believe we have a no-philosophy rule here | 16:35 |
| delinquentme | is it possible there are time efficiencies built into querying an individuals vrs an article? | 16:36 |
| entelechios | yeaaaaa outta all the irc channels ive been in i woulda hoped this would be one free of sophistry | 16:36 |
| delinquentme | efficiency. | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | oh great, waste my time so that you don't have to read | 16:36 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, clearly its been put to world changing ends. | 16:36 |
| @kanzure | if you wont read papers and articles then why would you read what i type | 16:36 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, topic specificity. | 16:36 |
| fenn | there's an inherent asymmetry in human bandwidth; it's easier to read than to write | 16:36 |
| delinquentme | fenn, as is there in forming new knowledge vrs querying existing! | 16:37 |
| fenn | it's the same thing | 16:37 |
| fenn | uh, i mean "forming new knowledge" is the same as "querying wikipedia" | 16:37 |
| fenn | damn english | 16:38 |
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| fenn | alright who tricked me into reading the "theory of knowledge" article on wikipedia? | 16:40 |
| * fenn casts about balefully | 16:40 | |
| fredox | just say no to wikipedia | 16:41 |
| fenn | noooooo | 16:41 |
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| fenn | i want to put wikipedia on a nook e-reader, with offline access and decent formatting | 16:42 |
| fenn | surprisingly, this hasn't been done | 16:42 |
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| fredox | a wikified version of the merck index would be nice | 16:43 |
| fenn | did anyone download it when it was online? | 16:43 |
| fenn | the merck index | 16:44 |
| fredox | i have a copy of the old cd | 16:44 |
| fredox | search paradigm is pretty shit | 16:44 |
| fenn | oh, so do i, apparently | 16:44 |
| ParaSa1lin | merck index is on libgen | 16:45 |
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| fenn | fredox: that would be hard to maintain because you'd have to keep it online and vulnerable to attack, otherwise it would be distributed and downstream edits would get lost because wiki revision control sucks | 16:47 |
| fenn | you'd have to use something like ikiwiki at a minimum to prevent splintering | 16:48 |
| fredox | even just a rip of the database and putting it in useful format would be nice | 16:49 |
| fredox | i use the old paper book version more than the cd | 16:49 |
| fenn | according to some random page i found on the web, "An MSI file is actually an SQL database, for all practical purposes." | 16:52 |
| fenn | but this is out of my area of expertise | 16:53 |
| fenn | can one use the cd without installing anything? | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | someone converted wikipedia to git | 16:54 |
| @kanzure | so that repo is floating around somewhere | 16:54 |
| fredox | fenn: not that i'm aware of | 16:55 |
| fredox | but then i dont do database stuff much | 16:57 |
| delinquentme | fenn what do you want to know on MSI files? | 16:58 |
| delinquentme | if you want me to try and build a DB from it let me know. | 16:59 |
| delinquentme | Ok perhaps this would be more of the liking of the general population here | 17:01 |
| delinquentme | Experiment design on wiring up beta cells to start attempting to produce insulin ? | 17:02 |
| fenn | mdb-tables TheMerckIndex.mdb | 17:03 |
| fenn | Absorptions BPs CASNames CASRNs Densities DerivTexts DerivTypes FlashPoints IndexesOfRefraction ManufacturerNames | 17:03 |
| fenn | raphs MPs Names OpticalRotations PartitionCoefficients PKas Toxicities TradeNames | 17:03 |
| dingo | 23:42 < fenn> i want to put wikipedia on a nook e-reader, with offline access and decent formatting | 17:05 |
| dingo | there is one | 17:05 |
| dingo | an offline, 2x AA battery | 17:05 |
| fredox | delinquentme: i think most people here are working on lots of their own projects, so group collaboration is not something that usually happens | 17:05 |
| fenn | dingo: yeah and i don't like it, for various reasons | 17:06 |
| delinquentme | fredox, that sucks. Looks like the best project collaborations are then restricted to fleshspace | 17:06 |
| fenn | it's missing articles, bad interface, can only do wikipedia, etc | 17:06 |
| delinquentme | I'd love to the the *opposite* trend. | 17:07 |
| fenn | fwiw lots of people telecommute | 17:10 |
| delinquentme | they're also paid to be cordial | 17:10 |
| fenn | the trick is building entire organizations online; i don't think anyone's figured out how to do that without any money, and the people who have money tend to want to do things in meatspace | 17:11 |
| fenn | even EFF has physical offices | 17:11 |
| delinquentme | fenn, IDK i happened to observe it around playing games | 17:12 |
| delinquentme | which happen to be something of "working towards a common end" | 17:12 |
| Lemminkainen | then gamify your MVE | 17:12 |
| delinquentme | IDK I guess I see it mirrored here | 17:12 |
| fenn | Lemminkainen: market value of equity? what? | 17:12 |
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| Lemminkainen | minimum viable experiment | 17:13 |
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| fenn | i dont think he has anything viable :\ | 17:14 |
| Lemminkainen | it's worth encouraging someone to act even if they're unsure of what action to take | 17:15 |
| fenn | i disagree | 17:15 |
| fenn | that just leaves us all with a bunch of blinking LEDs and popsicle sticks and hot glue | 17:15 |
| Lemminkainen | I'd rather see a hundred enthusiastic people get turned onto the process of experimentation and actualization of their ideas than to have them be turned away frustrated | 17:15 |
| delinquentme | action here can be both research as well as building things. | 17:15 |
| delinquentme | fenn, I think you're advocating research .. Lemminkainen could be as well. | 17:16 |
| Lemminkainen | research and then experimentation | 17:16 |
| fredox | depends if you're volunteering to do stuff for other people | 17:18 |
| fenn | so, in the context of online collaborations, a minimum viable experiment is what? | 17:18 |
| * fenn is imagining a "pimp my lab bench" social photo-sharing website | 17:19 | |
| fenn | barf | 17:19 |
| Lemminkainen | ha | 17:19 |
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| Lemminkainen | online collaboration in science has a very useful component often missed: replication | 17:20 |
| Lemminkainen | replication of published papers generally fucking sucks | 17:20 |
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| fenn | because it's expensive and has no reward | 17:21 |
| Lemminkainen | but online we can share enough about our experiments to collaboratively build upon them and get that replication hit | 17:21 |
| fenn | when collaborating online you HAVE to replicate, unless you have a really good telepresence setup | 17:21 |
| Lemminkainen | exactly | 17:21 |
| Lemminkainen | academic researchers right now are in competition to publish first instead of collaborating | 17:22 |
| fenn | so, by doing things online we've multiplied the cost of the experiment by N collaborators, while reducing the cost of overhead (?) | 17:23 |
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| Lemminkainen | I view that as cheaper than having shitty irreproducible experiments leading to incremental experiments not working at all | 17:23 |
| fenn | but better replicability | 17:23 |
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| Lemminkainen | fenn this discussion is thus far interesting but I must afk for an hour to purchase supplies; thank you for your attention | 17:24 |
| fenn | what i have seen happening in reality, for example with the reprap nozzle design experiments of nophead, is that people have different equipment and can't justify the cost of standardizing (or just don't want to) | 17:25 |
| fenn | or can't agree on what should be standard | 17:26 |
| fenn | christ, in 2013 people are still asking if kerning should be applied to chemical structures | 17:29 |
| fenn | (the answer is yes, by the way) | 17:31 |
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| fenn | oh, you have to type "go" after every command in mdb-sql | 17:34 |
| fenn | great, so i can get data out of TheMerckIndex.mdb | 17:35 |
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| Lemminkainen | fenn all those grievances aside, remember that you alone are more powerful than a German kingdom just 5 generations ago | 17:59 |
| fenn | i have no power ladders :( | 18:01 |
| delinquentme | economic, technological, and with information access | 18:01 |
| delinquentme | also you guys would be upset with me if my hypothesis was " try a bunch of shit ... see what happens " | 18:01 |
| delinquentme | but I lold | 18:02 |
| fenn | if anyone cares, apt-get install mdb-tools; for i in `mdb-tables -1 TheMerckIndex.mdb`; do mdb-export TheMerckIndex.mdb $i > $i.csv ; do | 18:02 |
| fenn | s/; do/; done/ | 18:02 |
| Lemminkainen | delinquentme go ahead and try a bunch of shit, just remember to include negative controls or you aren't measuring anything | 18:02 |
| Lemminkainen | trying is better than talking about trying, in general | 18:03 |
| delinquentme | true! | 18:03 |
| fenn | how is it possible that csv is more efficient than mdb format | 18:03 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, let me buy you a beer | 18:03 |
| delinquentme | or get you drunk. | 18:03 |
| delinquentme | your choice . | 18:03 |
| Lemminkainen | I need to refactor this Android app tonight, otherwise I'd take you up on that | 18:03 |
| delinquentme | fenn, csv is pretty lightweight no? You're talking "comma separated values" right? | 18:03 |
| fenn | right | 18:04 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, women in coffee event | 18:04 |
| delinquentme | << is here ... didn't plan it this way | 18:04 |
| delinquentme | I swear these things happen around me | 18:04 |
| Lemminkainen | "women in coffee" | 18:04 |
| delinquentme | nono srsly. thats the event name. | 18:04 |
| Lemminkainen | they would probably do well to iterate beyond that name | 18:04 |
| fenn | is it a giant vat of coffee with scantily clad ladies doing formation swimming? | 18:05 |
| delinquentme | ^advertising! | 18:05 |
| delinquentme | Lemminkainen, are you in mountain view or up here in oakland? | 18:05 |
| Lemminkainen | I'm at Hackistan | 18:05 |
| delinquentme | lol | 18:05 |
| delinquentme | TIL. | 18:05 |
| delinquentme | sooooo I was gonna wait till monday to email this prof... | 18:06 |
| delinquentme | I wonder if I'll get lucky w a response tonight | 18:06 |
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| fenn | the internet seems to think that's 3276 logan street | 18:08 |
| Lemminkainen | fuck that's online? | 18:10 |
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| fenn | better get to work on that missile defense project | 18:11 |
| Lemminkainen | it's on Foursquare, of course | 18:11 |
| Lemminkainen | I blame #nerdtracker | 18:11 |
| Lemminkainen | any ideas on how to reduce the cost of attending FutureMED? | 18:27 |
| cpopell | who's hosting it? | 18:27 |
| Lemminkainen | Singularity University | 18:28 |
| @kanzure | time for flight | 18:28 |
| cpopell | Hmm. | 18:28 |
| cpopell | I know a couple SU people but none well enough I could pull strings. | 18:28 |
| cpopell | Bleargh. | 18:28 |
| Lemminkainen | $10k for Dre and I to attend is a bit much to justify right now when we'd rather spend that on reagents | 18:28 |
| cpopell | Gotta bug my Raytheon contact Monday | 18:28 |
| @kanzure | what do you need from them | 18:28 |
| cpopell | kanzure: me? | 18:29 |
| @kanzure | they are boring but i have at lesst 3 blackmails | 18:29 |
| @kanzure | i mean strings | 18:29 |
| Lemminkainen | I need greatly reduced prices to attend FutureMED because otherwise I cannot go | 18:29 |
| cpopell | oh, singularity university | 18:29 |
| @kanzure | oh kust show up | 18:29 |
| @kanzure | they wont kick you out | 18:30 |
| Lemminkainen | I may do exactly that | 18:30 |
| cpopell | So I found the best place to recruit clients | 18:30 |
| cpopell | I can't afford them mostly yet | 18:30 |
| cpopell | but I found them | 18:30 |
| Lemminkainen | and then I can spend cash on boutique polymers instead | 18:30 |
| Lemminkainen | do tell cpopell you cocktease you | 18:30 |
| cpopell | Intelligence community meetups | 18:31 |
| cpopell | especially ones that are trying to be 'cutting edge' | 18:31 |
| Lemminkainen | O_____ | 18:31 |
| Lemminkainen | o | 18:31 |
| Lemminkainen | the other eye fell off | 18:31 |
| Lemminkainen | bahahahahahhah | 18:31 |
| cpopell | Yeah, I had better luck with people approaching me there than I've had in months | 18:32 |
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| Lemminkainen | you need a bigger winch | 18:35 |
| cpopell | Well | 18:36 |
| cpopell | Monday is hopefully next step with Hungarian dudes | 18:36 |
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| @kanzure | okay back in austin | 23:08 |
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