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| kyknos_ | nmz787: thanks! | 00:25 |
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| dv9700 | let's say I want to extract a certain gene from one organism from another. And let's assume it is far too big to synthesize de novo, how do I, well, "select" for it and splice it into say e. coli or whatever | 01:45 |
| dv9700 | or more to the point, how is it isolated? | 01:46 |
| dv9700 | also can you regrow plants from single callus cells and if so how long does it take (for example, with tobacco) as opposed to growing from seed? | 01:58 |
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| poppingtonic | paperbot: http://www.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnhum.2013.00589/full | 02:03 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Making%20long-term%20memories%20in%20minutes%3A%20a%20spaced%20learning%20pattern%20from%20memory%20research%20in%20education.pdf | 02:03 |
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| abetusk | kanzure, you use vim? | 08:42 |
| abetusk | more specifically, do you use tern with vim? | 08:45 |
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| ParahSail1n | tern? | 08:53 |
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| abetusk | autocompletion and ...file jumping maybe?... for javascript under vim | 09:07 |
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| zrelug | hell0 | 10:43 |
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| @kanzure | abetusk: no i haven't used tern. | 13:24 |
| @kanzure | abetusk: yes i use vim | 13:24 |
| abetusk | kanzure, you do quite a bit of javascript programming, no? | 13:24 |
| @kanzure | dv9700: before people synthesized genes they would cut em out with endonucleases | 13:24 |
| @kanzure | abetusk: sadly yes :( | 13:24 |
| abetusk | I actually like it... | 13:25 |
| abetusk | you just use vanilla vim? | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | i turn on syntax highlighting and i do whitespace tabs | 13:25 |
| @kanzure | i haven't found a good yaml syntax highlighter | 13:28 |
| @kanzure | and my python syntax highlighter seems to crap out after 200-300 lines (e.g. it can't detect long docstrings) | 13:29 |
| @kanzure | i think i would be happier with syntax highlighting if it wasn't as-you-type highlighting. it should just parse my changes when i reach the end of the line or liberally allow me to have incomplete blocks. then it can look at the entire file and let python tell it how to colorize it. | 13:30 |
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| kyknos_ | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000334727090045X | 14:08 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5adf7e27f89b82d283ec4d8154dbf62.txt | 14:08 |
| @kanzure | https://www.cloudcracker.com/blog/2012/07/29/cracking-ms-chap-v2/ | 14:21 |
| @kanzure | https://www.cloudcracker.com/dictionaries.html | 14:21 |
| @kanzure | http://www.copacobana.org/ | 14:21 |
| @kanzure | hrmm and here's a bitcoin mining-hardware-contract-trading thing http://www.hashtrade.com/ | 14:21 |
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| bertmy | paperbot http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/S0142-9612(98)00026-X | 15:16 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/83150d24e14d54f6c805ccd4ae15548e.txt | 15:16 |
| bertmy | come on | 15:22 |
| bertmy | paper http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jiec.2008.02.002 | 15:22 |
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| bertmy | paperbot http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jiec.2008.02.002 | 15:23 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/5e8b9378ad75f6608555d22f4b28f701.txt | 15:23 |
| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/book/9780080917276 | 15:26 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/90440843f7c0aeae3869c082cc92fa8c.txt | 15:26 |
| bertmy | hey nmz | 15:26 |
| @nmz787 | yo | 15:27 |
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| bertmy | paperbot http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jcis.2007.02.024 | 15:28 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/aa94eae0494799bfcacdd16d8d5b4ad1.txt | 15:28 |
| @nmz787 | bertmy: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Proteins_and_cells_on_PEG_immobilized_silicon_surfaces_.pdf | 15:28 |
| bertmy | thanks | 15:28 |
| @nmz787 | bertmy: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Surface_properties_of_silica_nanoparticles_modified_with_polymers_for_polymer_nanocomposite_applications.pdf | 15:29 |
| @nmz787 | bertmy: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Synthesis_of_polyethylene_glycol_PEG-grafted_colloidal_silica_particles_with_improved_stability_in_aqueous_solvents.pdf | 15:30 |
| @nmz787 | bertmy: I have a bunch of liquid phase polymer synthesis stuff too if you're interested, where they were building off of PEG | 15:34 |
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| bertmy | cool | 15:41 |
| bertmy | paperbot http://dx.doi.org/10.1002/jbm.a.10057 | 15:41 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/be540d434dffc4b4f587139ca1e38f4.txt | 15:41 |
| bertmy | how about this one? | 15:41 |
| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/B978-0-08-091727-6.50004-6 | 15:44 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b0aa95e6cbdfefa0f98a06641787b49b.txt | 15:44 |
| @nmz787 | paperbot: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/jbm.a.10057/asset/10057_ftp.pdf?v=1&t=hnkxg2cf&s=a47a68ad8888f036f92cb5b06e2faa3a2f1f984a | 15:45 |
| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/jbm.a.10057/asset/10057_ftp.pdf?v=1&t=hnkxg2cf&s=a47a68ad8888f036f92cb5b | 15:45 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fc7427252439b23fe0431769446001d9.txt | 15:45 |
| @nmz787 | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1002/jbm.a.10057/asset/10057_ftp.pdf | 15:45 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/af109ce0a09e8d8889bbb01e4d035026.txt | 15:45 |
| @nmz787 | bertmy: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Room-temperature_preparation_and_characterization_of_poly_ethylene_glycol-coated_silica_nanoparticles_for_biomedical_applications.pdf | 15:45 |
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| dv9700 | is there anyway to get access to JoVE without, you know, buying a subscription? | 18:11 |
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| @kanzure | dv9700: it turns out that they don't protect their actual assets | 18:47 |
| @kanzure | dv9700: so once you know their url structure, you're in | 18:47 |
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| dv9700 | anyone able to help me with that? | 19:20 |
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| justanotheruser | What is the relationship between hplusroadmap and h+ magazine? | 20:05 |
| Adifex | is there one? | 20:05 |
| justanotheruser | if there is one | 20:05 |
| Adifex | speaking of which, humanityplus.org doesn't do anything | 20:06 |
| Adifex | or I'm missing something | 20:06 |
| justanotheruser | You mean http://humanityplus.org | 20:06 |
| justanotheruser | because that works for me? | 20:06 |
| Adifex | I mean, newsletter and engagement and such | 20:09 |
| Adifex | not much happening, or so it seems | 20:09 |
| justanotheruser | http://hplusmagazine.com/ seems to be really slow | 20:10 |
| justanotheruser | last update Oct 24th | 20:11 |
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| jrayhawk | 20:05 < justanotheruser> What is the relationship between hplusroadmap and h+ magazine? | 20:16 |
| jrayhawk | bitterness, regret | 20:16 |
| jrayhawk | not much more | 20:16 |
| justanotheruser | jrayhawk: What came first | 20:17 |
| jrayhawk | probably the bitterness | 20:18 |
| justanotheruser | jrayhawk: IRC has more smartasses per capita than any form of internet communication I have used | 20:20 |
| jrayhawk | http://wiki.transhumani.com/index.php?title=Bryan_Bishop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanity+#H.2B_Magazine | 20:20 |
| justanotheruser | :) | 20:20 |
| jrayhawk | seems like if you wanted answers instead of smartasses, you would've used google | 20:20 |
| jrayhawk | google should really include smartasses | 20:20 |
| jrayhawk | seems like IRC could be eliminated at that point | 20:21 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 20:21 |
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| justanotheruser | hmm, I wish the wiki included the h+ drama | 20:22 |
| justanotheruser | Know anything about skdb jrayhawk? | 20:24 |
| jrayhawk | Some! It's just ideas at that point AFAIK; kanzure's been busy and not super sure on how to make progress with the concept and fenn's hard for me to keep track of but hasn't expressed much interest in it as of late | 20:25 |
| jrayhawk | but they were the two people who really cared about it | 20:26 |
| justanotheruser | Oh, it seems very interesting. Honestly I think it would be better to implement it as a website though | 20:26 |
| jrayhawk | implement... a standardized resource management and instruction system... as a website... | 20:27 |
| jrayhawk | transport is literally the least complicated part of the problemspace | 20:27 |
| justanotheruser | Yeah, just host all the files there, allow users to see all the data without using commands | 20:28 |
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| justanotheruser | (11:27:40 PM) jrayhawk: transport is literally the least complicated part of the problemspace> True, but in terms of growth I think it would be a good thing | 20:28 |
| justanotheruser | right now it seems there are 5 projects you can use skdb with | 20:28 |
| jrayhawk | there are? | 20:29 |
| justanotheruser | as far as I can see | 20:29 |
| justanotheruser | Not that you *can*, but currently are. Unless there are SKDB packages missing | 20:29 |
| justanotheruser | from the wiki | 20:30 |
| jrayhawk | Perhaps you should go to http://www.thingiverse.com/ | 20:30 |
| justanotheruser | Are all things on thingiverse available as SKDB packages? | 20:30 |
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| jrayhawk | No, Thingiverse is the conclusion of the mentality that you should slap crap on the web and hope network effects make something useful out of it. | 20:33 |
| jrayhawk | Which, to be fair, is working reasonably well. | 20:33 |
| jrayhawk | "Worse is better" and all that. | 20:33 |
| jrayhawk | But there's a lot of work to do on the SKDB design before the public should be attempting to use it for useful stuff. | 20:34 |
| jrayhawk | There's a lot of cost associated with bad design decisions. | 20:34 |
| jrayhawk | Both for users and developers. | 20:35 |
| justanotheruser | true | 20:35 |
| jrayhawk | And Thingiverse is in the position of baring that cost. | 20:36 |
| jrayhawk | bearing | 20:36 |
| jrayhawk | words are hard | 20:36 |
| justanotheruser | Do you think there will be DIY 3d metal printing? | 20:37 |
| dv9700 | justanotheruser, there already is, it's just expensive and impractical | 20:37 |
| justanotheruser | ah | 20:38 |
| dv9700 | metal is rather complicated, basically you just make a gigantic weld joint | 20:38 |
| dv9700 | which is useless | 20:38 |
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| jrayhawk | I think there has been for a few years. I guess jsmiller isn't here anymore? | 20:38 |
| dv9700 | 3D printing is much more accurately referred to as rapid prototyping | 20:39 |
| jrayhawk | anyway, development for that sort of thing happens in #reprap | 20:39 |
| dv9700 | and you don't prototype in metal, you prototype in plastic | 20:39 |
| dv9700 | also, if you want something that doesn't require a vacuum chamber, you need 40 kW lasers, which, oh by the way, require a DARPA license | 20:39 |
| jrayhawk | http://reprap.org/wiki/Metal_deposition_print_head | 20:40 |
| dv9700 | jrayhawk, yes, there are ways around it, you can use low melting allows | 20:40 |
| dv9700 | people who think 3D "printing" is going to change the world tomorrow know next to nothing about the engineering problems. Not to say the tech isn't neat, but it isn't a panacea | 20:41 |
| jrayhawk | It'd pretty doubtful it'll be more useful than subtractive metal manufacturing in the next decade, but if you're enamoured with the technology, you can always work on development. | 20:44 |
| jrayhawk | At least it'll be fun for art trinkets. | 20:44 |
| dv9700 | jrayhawk, yeah like I said, it's not so much that I want to say it's useless, but rather I grow weary of the delusional people who think they're GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD LEL | 20:48 |
| justanotheruser | What, with metal printing? | 20:51 |
| dv9700 | justanotheruser, no just in general | 20:51 |
| dv9700 | with 3D printing, techno-utopianism in general irritates me | 20:52 |
| dv9700 | "if we just air dropped iPhones in Africa everything would be fixed" | 20:52 |
| dv9700 | because Africa is a single country of course with a completely homogenous culture and set of problems | 20:52 |
| dv9700 | it's white man's burden 2.0 | 20:53 |
| justanotheruser | dv9700: umm.. does anyone actually believe giving iphones to africa will fix them? | 20:53 |
| dv9700 | justanotheruser, that was facetious, but yeah, just look at OLPC | 20:53 |
| justanotheruser | <(11:52:17 PM) dv9700: with 3D printing, techno-utopianism in general irritates me> You must love project venus | 20:53 |
| dv9700 | somehow, I think figuring out how to deal with, you know, eating, is higher up on their list than useless gadgets | 20:53 |
| dv9700 | oh god | 20:54 |
| dv9700 | it's by the zeitgeist guy? | 20:54 |
| dv9700 | fuck no | 20:54 |
| justanotheruser | yes | 20:54 |
| dv9700 | fuck him for his ahistorical bullshit | 20:54 |
| dv9700 | and his 9/11 truther garbage | 20:54 |
| justanotheruser | dv9700: but if we just fight against the illuminati and 3d print houses everything will be fine | 20:54 |
| dv9700 | justanotheruser, oh god, no, don't even get me STARTED on "3D printed houses" | 20:55 |
| dv9700 | talk about a solution looking for a problem | 20:55 |
| dv9700 | or you could do this really cool thing called taking planks of wood and hammering them together for a fraction of the price | 20:55 |
| dv9700 | electricity? lel | 20:55 |
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| justanotheruser | Whoever is managing diyhpl.us, probably kanzure: For some reason you can't use the search with logging in | 21:12 |
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| @kanzure | justanotheruser: the only relationship between hplusroadmap and hplusmagazine is that i mistakingly did work for hplusmagazine.com in the past, i guess | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | Adifex: correct, humanityplus.org is basically a newsletter and not worth guessing about | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | 20:16 < jrayhawk> bitterness, regret | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | ah my spokesperson.. | 21:27 |
| @kanzure | 20:27 < jrayhawk> transport is literally the least complicated part of the problemspace | 21:28 |
| @kanzure | see, i would have just gone ballistic and started telling everyone to go fuck bodies in graves or something | 21:28 |
| @kanzure | 20:28 < justanotheruser> right now it seems there are 5 projects you can use skdb with | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | 20:29 < jrayhawk> there are? | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | indeed! there are multiple skdb packages: screw, thread, dremelfuge, etc. | 21:29 |
| @kanzure | thingiverse pages are not skdb packages | 21:29 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: why would you have gone telling people to be necrophiles? | 21:30 |
| @kanzure | iirc our collective opinion on project venus is net negative, so that doesn't surprise me that dv9700 would say so | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | justanotheruser: which search are you referring to? | 21:31 |
| dv9700 | kanzure, how do you mean? | 21:31 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/ | 21:31 |
| dv9700 | also anything started by a guy who believes that Jesus is literally a roman clone of Horus is utterly insane and idiotic | 21:31 |
| @kanzure | justanotheruser: i would have told them to fuck off because of how extremely apparent it makes their lack of comprehension of the scope of the problem. transferring packages over http in a web ui versus ftp versus email has almost zero relevance. | 21:32 |
| @kanzure | justanotheruser: you hsould bug jrayhawk about that one; but if you really must search, just do: git clone git://diyphl.us/srv/git/diyhpluswiki.git | 21:32 |
| dv9700 | also this "venus" thing just comes across as technocratic singularity millenarianism | 21:32 |
| @kanzure | iirc the venus person doesn't profess any knowledge of singularity technobabble, not that it matters.. | 21:33 |
| dv9700 | kanzure, they might not, but it's a similar line of thinking | 21:33 |
| dv9700 | "let's handwave away all of these incredibly difficult problems with TECHONOLOGY" | 21:34 |
| @kanzure | now you've lost me | 21:34 |
| dv9700 | kanzure, do you ever read Time? If so, or not, did you at least happen to see a recent issue claiming that Google is going to "solve" aging? | 21:35 |
| dv9700 | that's the kind of garbage I'm talking about | 21:35 |
| @kanzure | that's clearly just journalists misunderstanding press releases | 21:35 |
| @kanzure | this is why you shouldn't read the news | 21:35 |
| dv9700 | is it? Google bothers me on the accoutn that they seem to believe delusions of grandeur | 21:35 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: I don't really understand that. Do you literally mean don't read any news? | 21:35 |
| @kanzure | dv9700: if they want to invest money into their own projects, why not let them? yes their marketing is going to be ineffective, but i think their goal was just to get a press release out, not something that makes sense. | 21:36 |
| dv9700 | kanzure, I don't read Time, but regardless, let's assume you're right, Google doesn't seem to mind letting that kind of BS be out there | 21:36 |
| dv9700 | kanzure, that's not what I'm saying, it's that certain people at Google have some sort of messiah complex about themselves | 21:36 |
| dv9700 | it's bizarre | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | dv9700: so is your complaint about (1) funding people who are working on research projects related to aging, (2) bad marketing, or (3) bad journalism? | 21:37 |
| dv9700 | kanzure, my complaint are companies making completely bullshit claims | 21:37 |
| dv9700 | that pander heavily | 21:37 |
| @kanzure | i think their claim that they are investing in research projects related to aging is probably true. they probably do have some biologist on payroll somewhere. | 21:37 |
| dv9700 | that's entirely different then achieving immortality | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | i | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | !~ | 21:38 |
| dv9700 | which is what their PR is trying to suggest | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | grr ssh | 21:38 |
| @kanzure | justanotheruser: yeah, i am only mostly serious there. in the vast majority of cases the news is absolutely wrong about something they read from a paper. | 21:39 |
| dv9700 | Google has this whole aura that they sell, that they're this savior of the earth. No, they're a profit-seeking corporation, and there's nothing wrong with that, but jesus christ come back down to earth will you | 21:39 |
| @kanzure | i didn't know we were talking about a fictional aura. next time please mention context upfront... | 21:39 |
| dv9700 | it's an expression. . . | 21:39 |
| dv9700 | Technocracy is an intrinsically dangerous concept, and I immediately skeptical and suspicious of those trying to sell that idea | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | what does any of this have to do with technocracy? | 21:40 |
| @kanzure | a moment ago you were complaining about their PR campaign | 21:41 |
| dv9700 | pandering to the public namely | 21:41 |
| dv9700 | google fancies themselves technocrats | 21:41 |
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| dv9700 | as do singularitarians, techno-utopians, and that whole gross silicon valley culture | 21:41 |
| @kanzure | i think you keep changing context in this conversation and i hate you. bbl. | 21:41 |
| justanotheruser | dv9700: what? I don't think google takes any stance on technocracy | 21:41 |
| dv9700 | justanotheruser, Google has openly said that we "need more engineers in government" or whatever | 21:42 |
| dv9700 | I hear lots of engineers types praise countries like China because "hurr engineers in government" ignoring the whole "human rights" thing | 21:42 |
| justanotheruser | Yeah, that isn't exactly a technocracy, but I see what you're saying. | 21:42 |
| dv9700 | I mean more figuratively | 21:43 |
| dv9700 | it's under the mantle of scientism | 21:43 |
| Zhwazi | Engineers in China have experimentally determined the tensile strength of the average Chinese male, I'm sure. They probably even have a function to look up tensile strength by age. | 21:57 |
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| jrayhawk | justanotheruser: it might be prudent to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZM_JmZdqCw | 23:54 |
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| jrayhawk | h+ magazine and the WTA are not really interested in a determinate future because it's much less sensationalizable | 23:56 |
| jrayhawk | ##hplusroadmap is a community of people with a determinate outlook | 23:56 |
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