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| @archels | Author=(Lee, S) | 05:33 |
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| @archels | Results: Approximately 149,693 | 05:33 |
| @archels | semantic web, where art thou | 05:33 |
| EnLilaSko | Can anyone help me understand ligand binding assay? | 05:35 |
| EnLilaSko | How they do it that is | 05:36 |
| EnLilaSko | Or ho, this seems to explain it easy - http://www.htrf.com/sites/default/files/htrf/products/ligand-binding-assay-description.gif | 05:37 |
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| foucist | the first step of transhumanism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7FIvfx5J10 | 07:17 |
| foucist | it all starts with JCV | 07:18 |
| foucist | D | 07:18 |
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| entelechios | are the aaron schwartz jstor leaks searchable somewhere or do i gotta download all 33gigs? i'm in a country with shoddy internet service | 08:06 |
| entelechios | but i'd like to see if an article is in there that i'd like to read | 08:07 |
| ParahSai1in | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/es401288x | 08:10 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2ab115be13e52bbb9fbd78ecddd0bd19.pdf | 08:10 |
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| rkos | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/11/christof-koch-panpsychism-consciousness/ | 08:31 |
| ParahSai1in | lol we dont do -psych- or consciousness here | 08:31 |
| ParahSai1in | i think they do in ##lesswrong | 08:31 |
| rkos | surely theres something useful in it | 08:34 |
| ParahSai1in | you'd like ##lesswrong, stop fighting it | 08:34 |
| eudoxia | it's just #lesswrong | 08:35 |
| eudoxia | guess they don't respect Freenode's policies like we do | 08:35 |
| rkos | mmkay | 08:37 |
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| kanzure | entelechios: those 33 gigs are not the aaronsw jstor leaks. that was someone else. | 09:45 |
| entelechios | yea i realized that soon after searching around earlier this morning heh | 09:50 |
| entelechios | my memory can be fuzzy | 09:51 |
| kanzure | "You are incorrect. This circuit can potentially apply unsafe currents across the patient. A standard medical biopotential measurement circuit will have single-point failure protection to prevent conditions like this. This is required by standards like EC11, EC13, and 60601. Those systems are extremely safe." | 09:51 |
| kanzure | "Most hobbyist designs, like the one in this article, do not have such protection. Indeed, for this particular circuit, a simple static discharge, as might happen when you're applying the electrodes after walking over carpet, can fry the input amplifier, connecting it to the power rails. ESD (and, indeed, defibrillation -- which is about a thousand times more energy than ESD) protection would be present and required in any medical ... | 09:51 |
| kanzure | ... biopotential amplifier, even unrelated to the single-point protection described above." | 09:51 |
| kanzure | "'ve seen dozens of circuits for home EEG/ECG/EMG. Almost all of them, including this one, are a deathtrap. They will work okay most of the time. At some point, someone's going to kill themselves." | 09:51 |
| entelechios | i'm just going to put it on my list of crap to hope is at the local uni next time i come around to a day off | 09:51 |
| kanzure | "If the ESD failure happens to short out to power rails, your current will be your power rails divided by your electrode impedance. This distribution is described in EC11/EC13 (although electrode technology has improved since the days when those tests were done, so impedance is even lower). Even with the ancient electrodes in EC11/EC13, you would get unsafe currents some of the time. With modern electrodes, you would get unsafe currents much ... | 09:51 |
| kanzure | ... of the time." | 09:51 |
| entelechios | wow that sounds sketchy | 09:52 |
| entelechios | having some mad scientist dumbass fry your brain by accident | 09:52 |
| entelechios | thanks for the notification | 09:52 |
| kanzure | well, no, the more important part of that quote is EC11, EC13, and 60601 | 09:53 |
| kanzure | the risk aversion is bullshit and ignorable | 09:53 |
| foucist | "deathtrap" sounds like a serious exaggeration | 09:53 |
| foucist | yeah | 09:53 |
| foucist | FUD | 09:53 |
| foucist | ignore FUD! | 09:53 |
| kanzure | but the standards are probably useful | 09:53 |
| foucist | unless designed by a committee | 09:54 |
| kanzure | not all committee standards are useless | 09:55 |
| kanzure | especially if you've never designed a circuit like that before | 09:55 |
| foucist | generate a human competitive circuit using genetic/evolutionary computation instead! :P | 09:57 |
| ThomasEgi | there are a number of worst-case failures one has to take care about when designing circuits like that. but if you know what you are doing it's not too much of a problem. many people however, have no clue what they do. | 09:57 |
| foucist | www.human-competitive.org | 09:57 |
| kanzure | ThomasEgi: sorry, can you clarify which situation is not a problem? (1) designing the additional safety features, or (2) not having them | 09:58 |
| kanzure | ThomasEgi: your statement seems ambiguous | 09:58 |
| ThomasEgi | designing a safe circuit | 09:58 |
| kanzure | what sort of safety features would you want in a tdcs setup? | 10:00 |
| foucist | well all you really need is "don't electrocute humans" | 10:00 |
| foucist | that's just 1 safety feature | 10:01 |
| kanzure | unfortunately i believe that is the function of tdcs | 10:01 |
| ThomasEgi | esd protection, transient protection, a fast acting electronic current limiter, optional a slower mechanism to cut the lines, like a fuse, a galvanically non-coupled supply.. | 10:01 |
| ParahSai1in | er yeah, what exactly are people doing tdcs for | 10:02 |
| ThomasEgi | most tdcs designs i saw so far were like a 2 9V batteries and a resistor, some very few actually contained a current regulator. | 10:02 |
| ThomasEgi | both fail pretty much every single "security" aspect | 10:02 |
| chris_99 | that's scary | 10:03 |
| foucist | can you kill someone with 2 9V batteries? | 10:03 |
| foucist | well i suppose so | 10:03 |
| ParahSai1in | in the right place | 10:03 |
| ThomasEgi | you can kill someone with 1.5V battery | 10:03 |
| foucist | just need transformer to get hte amperage | 10:03 |
| chris_99 | no you don't | 10:03 |
| ThomasEgi | you don't need amperage or high voltages if it's in the wrong spot | 10:03 |
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| ThomasEgi | a few nanoAmps and a few hundret millivolts are enough to make your heart stop if you have the wires in the wrong place | 10:04 |
| foucist | ah | 10:05 |
| ThomasEgi | usualy. voltages below 50V are not much of a deal since the skin has a high enough resistance to prevent any major current flow and thus bad effects. | 10:05 |
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| ThomasEgi | but as soon as you drag electrode is, designed to lower that resistance.. | 10:06 |
| ThomasEgi | things require more attention. | 10:06 |
| foucist | hmm, this is DC as well | 10:07 |
| foucist | AC is safer is it not? | 10:07 |
| foucist | how about AC-based tdcs? | 10:07 |
| foucist | heh | 10:07 |
| foucist | tesla ftw | 10:07 |
| ThomasEgi | totaly depends on the parameters. | 10:08 |
| ThomasEgi | unless you use very high frequencies.. AC is not much safer | 10:08 |
| ThomasEgi | in some situations. it can be even worse. | 10:08 |
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| kanzure | there should be a moon bounce inflation company that lets kids design moon bounces with 3d modeling and then lets them bounce in them | 12:34 |
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| ParahSai1in | and by kids you mean you | 12:36 |
| foucist | hmm, not a bad idea, but how expensive are moon bounce inflations? | 12:37 |
| foucist | not counting the blowers (you can rent that) | 12:37 |
| foucist | though blowers are typically a hundred bucks a day to rent .. hmm | 12:37 |
| chris_99 | moon bounce? | 12:37 |
| kanzure | it's just a plastic manifold that you blow air into | 12:37 |
| foucist | chris_99: those inflateable "buildings" that you crawl into and jump up and down inside them | 12:37 |
| kanzure | well, not plastic actually. i don't know what the material is. | 12:37 |
| chris_99 | ah cool, i was confused as the only moon bounce i've heard of is bouncing radio waves off the moon heh | 12:38 |
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| delinquentme | Anyone know of good published research on the interactions of cryoed cells reintegrating within tissues from the same individual? | 12:49 |
| poppingtonic | hey bkero | 12:53 |
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| ParahSai1in | scholar.google.com | 13:01 |
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| bkero | poppingtonic: Hi! What's up? | 14:55 |
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| poppingtonic | bkero: might be useful when you arrive. I've been here, great place. www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g294207-d754110-Reviews-Kikuyu_Lodge_Hotel_Safaris-Nairobi.html | 16:12 |
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| bkero | poppingtonic: Looks nice! If I have some days in Nairobi I'd like to stay there. | 16:16 |
| poppingtonic | cool, I'll introduce you to the owners when you come in! | 16:20 |
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| poppingtonic | paperbot, http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature.2013.12190 | 16:26 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7f92b807da17bf7e689c483390933981.txt | 16:26 |
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| bkero | poppingtonic: Hah! What more could I ask for? That's awesome!! | 16:33 |
| bkero | I'm booking all my plane tickets, etc, now. | 16:37 |
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| poppingtonic | Excellent. | 16:41 |
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| foucist | kanzure: jamesrobey.com/moon-bouncers.xls from www.real-inflatables.com | 18:28 |
| foucist | looks like it can cost anywhere from $600-$2000 etc heh | 18:28 |
| kanzure | that's not bad | 18:31 |
| foucist | it's probably a viable biz idea.. almost like edutainment | 18:32 |
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