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| justanotheruser | Would you recommend any CNC machine under $500? | 00:43 |
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| @kanzure | no | 00:43 |
| @kanzure | buy a cnc-converted bridgeport and don't worry about paying $500-$2000 | 00:44 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: what's the advantage? | 00:55 |
| @kanzure | most of the cnc kits that i see for under $500 tend to be wood-cutting only | 00:58 |
| @kanzure | unfortunately the only way to buy something that is able to cut metals is to pay for lots of mass at the moment | 00:58 |
| @kanzure | unless you go with lasers, but then you might as well go with laser sintering anyway | 00:59 |
| @kanzure | and those will cost more too in both cases (subtractive/sintering) | 00:59 |
| justanotheruser | so bridgeports converted to cnc can cut metals is the advantage? | 01:01 |
| @kanzure | well cnc should be an obvious advantage i would think? | 01:02 |
| @kanzure | unless you want to go to punchcard | 01:02 |
| @kanzure | oh wait | 01:03 |
| @kanzure | yes metal cutting is useful | 01:03 |
| @kanzure | i don't think that qtfireball thing is going to cut anything harder than cardboard | 01:03 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: How is a CNC machine measured? What are its characteristics (i.e. degrees of freedom, accuracy, materials it can cut, etc) | 01:04 |
| @kanzure | poorly | 01:05 |
| @kanzure | i'm going to sleep, so either wait to bug fenn or ask in #reprap or #linuxcnc | 01:05 |
| justanotheruser | okay, thanks | 01:05 |
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| @kanzure | i have been invited to speak at a conference in phnom penh, cambodia | 08:38 |
| @kanzure | should i go? | 08:38 |
| bkero | kanzure: FOSS-Asia? | 08:40 |
| bkero | kanzure: Phnom Penh is a great city, you should go! | 08:40 |
| bkero | There's a local hackerspace there with a bunch of cool expats doing interesting projects. | 08:41 |
| JayDugger | Yes. | 08:47 |
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| JayDugger | Rather, "Yes, I suggest you accept the invitation and speak at the conference." | 08:48 |
| entelechios | yea i got a buddy who was invited to there too | 08:56 |
| entelechios | to work on some kinda renewable energy project | 08:57 |
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| ParahSailin | what conference? | 10:55 |
| @kanzure | bkero guessed it, foss-asia | 10:56 |
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| bkero | kanzure: I might be speaking there as well | 11:44 |
| bkero | Mozilla's rep coordinator invited me | 11:44 |
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| frege | paperbot: http://www.news.wisc.edu/22370 | 19:38 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/599c235bf2222901b53e88e25bd458f0.txt | 19:38 |
| frege | paperbot needs some nootropics | 19:39 |
| @kanzure | frege: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues | 19:42 |
| @kanzure | frege: are you fmap? | 19:42 |
| frege | kanzure: no I'm not | 19:42 |
| @kanzure | alright | 19:44 |
| frege | but I definitely want to be someone else tonight so perhaps we can role play | 19:47 |
| frege | kanzure: do you wanna work on each issue tonight and get it done? | 19:48 |
| frege | people need this | 19:48 |
| frege | I know python better than my mom's breast | 19:48 |
| @kanzure | most of the improvements that need to be done on paperbot are related to deleting terrible code | 19:48 |
| frege | kanzure: I had a look at that code a couple of weeks ago; it's fucked | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | yes, i know | 19:49 |
| @kanzure | i'm fine with deleting it | 19:49 |
| frege | kanzure: if you got all the accounts and shit; I can rewrite it tonight | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | paperbot runs exactly as it is shown there without accounts | 19:50 |
| frege | just need to know about the apis or how to login and grab the article from those accounts; if you have a list of links for that and all the accounts then it's easy | 19:50 |
| frege | srsly? | 19:50 |
| @kanzure | publisher html parsing happens mostly through zotero translation-server and uses the zotero translators (javascript) | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot#README | 19:51 |
| frege | why do you use zotero translation? | 19:51 |
| @kanzure | because they have 8 active developers and 1000s of users that keep their translators.git repository updated against publisher website changes | 19:52 |
| frege | would you just explain to me in high level what this bot does | 19:52 |
| frege | ah I see to zotero translator grabs the links | 19:52 |
| @kanzure | it asks zotero translation-server to parse the publisher's page for an article and then based on translation-server's response it gets the pdfurl key and then fetches that document | 19:52 |
| frege | pdfurl key? what do you mean by key? | 19:53 |
| @kanzure | zotero translation-server responses are just json dictionaries with keys and values | 19:54 |
| frege | oh cool that's easy; thanks it's not xml | 19:54 |
| @kanzure | these json blobs include other metadata about the paper like authors and title. and also the pdf url. | 19:54 |
| frege | right | 19:55 |
| frege | would you link me an example | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/zotero-translator-server.output.json | 19:55 |
| ParahSailin | bkero: what do you do at mozilla | 19:55 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: boot to gecko | 19:56 |
| bkero | ParahSailin, kanzure: I manage all the version control servers (job title says BOFH/Sysadmin), I contribute to FirefoxOS, and I evangelize an open and universal internet. | 19:56 |
| frege | kanzure: and what was the query to get that? | 19:56 |
| frege | kanzure: do you wanna work on it or you don't care, if you want we can get it done tonight | 19:59 |
| @kanzure | zotero translation-server makes it pretty easy to figure out what query to send | 20:01 |
| @kanzure | you can also look at the paperbot source code | 20:01 |
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| @kanzure | that file is from 9 months ago or something so i don't remember the exact incantation at the moment | 20:03 |
| frege | okay which file? | 20:03 |
| @kanzure | uh, the one we're talking about try to keep up | 20:03 |
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| frege | kanzure: https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py ? | 20:06 |
| @kanzure | no, we were talking about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/zotero-translator-server.output.json | 20:07 |
| @kanzure | you asked me "and what was the query to get that?" | 20:08 |
| @kanzure | so i said "that file is from 9 months ago or something so i don't remember the exact incantation at the moment" | 20:08 |
| frege | kanzure: gotcha | 20:09 |
| @kanzure | papers.py has the vast majority of code worth deleting | 20:09 |
| frege | but it should be in the code somewhere right? | 20:09 |
| @kanzure | what should? | 20:10 |
| frege | kanzure: what's this? http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ | 20:10 |
| @kanzure | files | 20:10 |
| frege | kanzure: what files/ | 20:11 |
| frege | ? | 20:11 |
| frege | pdf_url = "http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/" + document_id + ".pdf?acceptTC=true" | 20:12 |
| frege | where do you get the document_id from? | 20:12 |
| frege | that code isn't maintainable | 20:13 |
| @kanzure | document_id is extracted from the pdfurl that zotero-translator returns when asked about a certain jstor paper's page | 20:13 |
| @kanzure | yes i agree it's not maintainable that's why i told you to delete it | 20:13 |
| @kanzure | it's almost as if i say things intentionally | 20:13 |
| frege | kanzure: yeah but I need to know the highlevel logic of getting pdfs inorder to write something that's more generalized and rule based | 20:14 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/papermonk | 20:14 |
| @kanzure | papermonk is a rewrite of paperbot and zotero that uses event streams and pipes for streaming html parsing and streaming pdf pirating. pdfparanoia isn't implemented yet.. | 20:16 |
| @kanzure | given a url to a publisher's page describing a paper the output should be a link to the pdf and possibly extra metadata. that's the only "high level logic". | 20:17 |
| @kanzure | where the pdf gets stored is completely irrelevant and meaningless to me | 20:18 |
| frege | kanzure: okay but that works only for free papers right? | 20:21 |
| @kanzure | no | 20:21 |
| frege | how do you get the ones that aren't free from a publisher? | 20:22 |
| frege | such as IEEE | 20:22 |
| @kanzure | please don't ask me that | 20:22 |
| frege | what do you mean? | 20:23 |
| @kanzure | you are welcome to make wild guesses... but it should be obvious. | 20:23 |
| frege | you look in torrent? do google inurl:pdf? | 20:23 |
| @kanzure | it took eudoxia 3 hours to guess and it took ParahSailin like 5 seconds | 20:23 |
| @kanzure | no | 20:23 |
| ParahSailin | what did? | 20:23 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: 20:22 < frege> how do you get the ones that aren't free from a publisher? | 20:24 |
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| frege | kanzure: http://libgen.org ? | 20:24 |
| @kanzure | no, although paperbot is supposed to upload to library genesis | 20:25 |
| frege | sci-hub.org? | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | haha, definitely not | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | well, scihub is used as a fallback | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | but, no | 20:25 |
| frege | libgen lets you get the db | 20:25 |
| frege | and it has papers | 20:25 |
| @kanzure | libgen has papers because paperbot puts them there | 20:25 |
| frege | so tell me | 20:25 |
| frege | ah gotcha | 20:26 |
| frege | well I guess you need to hack those publishers to get that | 20:26 |
| @kanzure | nope | 20:26 |
| frege | unless they put it in a public place | 20:26 |
| frege | kanzure: can't you just tell me? | 20:29 |
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| @kanzure | sorry but if i tell you, paperbot will poof out of existence | 20:31 |
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| juri_ | paperbot is awesome. | 20:33 |
| frege | well then I don't know how to help | 20:34 |
| ParahSailin | theres plenty of work that paperbot could use | 20:41 |
| @nmz787 | yashgaroth: hey you know anyone hiring a person with an associates? a local guy is moving down there | 20:45 |
| @nmz787 | to sd | 20:45 |
| @nmz787 | planning to hang out in a hostel | 20:45 |
| yashgaroth | will he accept dishwashing work? science dishes | 20:45 |
| yashgaroth | also, no not really | 20:46 |
| yashgaroth | there are plenty of people here with BSs in bio or chem that fill vials in a cleanroom all day, sad to say | 20:47 |
| ParahSailin | sucks to be a wetlabber | 20:48 |
| yashgaroth | well I mean most of them aren't good at bio/chem, but an AS won't get you many places here except fill/finish or clean dishes...maybe you get lucky and make buffers | 20:49 |
| @kanzure | http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/07/health/cohen-cancer-study/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | who do we know that was reprogramming t cells? was that derya? | 20:56 |
| @kanzure | https://medschool.mc.vanderbilt.edu/facultydata/php_files/part_dept/show_faculty/show_partigp.php?id3=915 | 20:57 |
| @kanzure | let's see.. http://www.crunchbase.com/company/juno-therapeutics raised $120M | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | blah i hate that this is the only link i can find, but here is something derya wrote about t-cell reprogramming http://hplusmagazine.com/2010/02/02/re-engineering-human-immune-system/ | 21:02 |
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| @kanzure | laser projection keyboard http://www.robopeak.com/blog/?p=282 | 22:43 |
| @kanzure | but no details about characters per second or how many keys it supports.. | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | "up to 10 keys" fuck that | 22:44 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/robopeak/laserkbd | 22:44 |
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| entelechios | lol yea those have been around since i've been a kid | 23:19 |
| entelechios | at least 10yrs | 23:19 |
| entelechios | they've always been a gimmicky yet imperfect thing | 23:19 |
| entelechios | as far as i know | 23:20 |
| entelechios | guess the question is less how to build one and how to improve on one | 23:20 |
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| JayDugger | I'll say it: Fingerworks, ebay. | 23:23 |
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