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| @kanzure | "On January 1, 2014, a new open-access policy for faculty's scholarly writings will take effect at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech). According to this policy, approved by the faculty at their June 10 meeting, all faculty members will automatically grant nonexclusive rights to the Institute to disseminate their scholarly papers, making wider distribution of their work possible and eliminating confusion about copyright when ... | 00:17 |
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| @kanzure | ... posting research results on Caltech's websites. - See more at: http://www.caltech.edu/content/caltech-announces-open-access-policy#sthash.U9aDLdVS.dpuf" | 00:17 |
| @kanzure | ah fucking javascript | 00:17 |
| @kanzure | it was good news up until the javascript insert. now i have to hate them. | 00:18 |
| ParahSailin | looks like you need to add sharethis.com to etc/hosts | 00:41 |
| ParahSailin | and nuke it off the interweb for good measure | 00:42 |
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| justanotheruser | If someone says "30 large", do they mean $30k or $30m? | 06:09 |
| juri_ | usually, i'd say $30k. | 06:21 |
| bkero | fallout 1+2+tactics are free on gog today | 06:28 |
| eudoxia | that's not transhumanism | 06:29 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 06:52 |
| eudoxia | hello | 06:53 |
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| @kanzure | openworm "movement validation plans" https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sBgMAD-7RUjHwBgrC204LMqSC81byIaZNRm32lEGWMM/edit | 09:10 |
| eudoxia | i wonder how many of the openworm people are h+/uploaders | 09:13 |
| @kanzure | well considering that langton labs makes up a sizable number of its participants, i would say all of them | 09:13 |
| eudoxia | really? i'd imagined they were all more richard jones-y about the prospect | 09:15 |
| @kanzure | most of the openworm people seem to be from academia but that is a meaningless label when you consider davidad etc | 09:17 |
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| @kanzure | eg http://nemaload.davidad.org/ | 09:17 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/nemaload | 09:18 |
| @kanzure | oh weird https://github.com/nemaload/sigextract | 09:18 |
| @kanzure | pasky: what are you doing in this commit log | 09:18 |
| @kanzure | oh right, pasky was doing openworm things | 09:19 |
| @kanzure | so it would make sense for his work to show up in nemaload stuff | 09:19 |
| @kanzure | saurik: do you know of any images for google glass yet? just want a simple shell | 09:25 |
| pasky | i was working on nemaload for about 6 months this year | 09:26 |
| pasky | it was my main source of income :) | 09:26 |
| @kanzure | how do you know david? | 09:26 |
| pasky | he just got in touch with me out of the blue | 09:26 |
| pasky | "hey, i'm in vienna and i'm looking for a programmer, can i stop by in prague?" | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | you should haunt him until he decides to idle in here regularly | 09:27 |
| pasky | "sorry, i'm in tokyo just right now" | 09:27 |
| pasky | i don't get to talk to him as often as i'd have liked myself, frankly ;-) | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | did he ever tell you how i met him | 09:27 |
| pasky | i don't think so | 09:27 |
| @kanzure | it was like 2004 or something and he was in the news | 09:28 |
| @kanzure | so i sent him an email "HEY we should be friends" | 09:28 |
| @kanzure | and then somehow that happened | 09:28 |
| pasky | lol | 09:28 |
| eudoxia | was that the literal email body? | 09:29 |
| @kanzure | oh it was 2007 hmm | 09:29 |
| @kanzure | no the actual email seems to be this elaborate explanation of how i tracked him down | 09:30 |
| @kanzure | anyway it turns out he also spent som time working with smari mccarthy, who wrote tangiblebit (the skdb look-alike) | 09:32 |
| @kanzure | as part of fablab | 09:32 |
| eudoxia | what a small world we live in | 09:33 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/tangiblebit/ | 09:34 |
| @kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/tangiblebit/tree/engines/kokompe/kokompe/README | 09:35 |
| eudoxia | holy shit how many megabytes is this | 09:35 |
| eudoxia | what a shame there isn't a requirements.txt there | 09:38 |
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| @kanzure | scienceexchange just sent out some spam about http://www.ascb.org/ | 11:54 |
| @kanzure | 'american society for cell biology' | 11:54 |
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| @nmz787 | kanzure: regarding what? i know some folks who have gone to ascb conferences before | 12:59 |
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| @kanzure | just "the conference exists and science exchange has a person there". typical marketspaz spam. | 13:04 |
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| @nmz787 | these are neat http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497313002275 | 13:36 |
| @nmz787 | and this is how they supposedly get away with using sperm from the twins, which I first thought would be too shuffled by crossing-over events during spermatogenesis: http://genome.cshlp.org/content/22/3/568 | 13:36 |
| @nmz787 | basically just using the sperm as a bulk source for developmental mutations in somatic tissues, rather than the stuff generally happening in gametogenesis | 13:38 |
| @nmz787 | since the gonads form early or something | 13:38 |
| @nmz787 | "Our results give experimental evidence for the hypothesis that rare mutations will occur early after the human blastocyst has split into two, the origin of twins, and that such mutations will be carried on into somatic tissue and the germline." | 13:40 |
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| juri_ | interesting. i did not know that. | 13:59 |
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| saurik | kanzure: "images"? | 14:49 |
| @kanzure | saurik: kernel images? things to run on the device? things to make the bootloader load? | 14:51 |
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| saurik | kanzure: just root it and install a shell | 14:59 |
| saurik | you don't even need to root it for a shell | 14:59 |
| saurik | like,it comes with a shell | 14:59 |
| saurik | (but I'm guessing you wanted more) | 15:00 |
| saurik | (so root it and install a better shell) | 15:00 |
| @kanzure | alright. | 15:00 |
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| juri_ | kanzure: can i get your opinion on something? | 15:08 |
| juri_ | http://demo1.faikvm.com/trac/wiki/Incentivization | 15:08 |
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| @kanzure | well, first, your decision to use trac is bizarre and snideworthy | 15:13 |
| @kanzure | the problem statement doesn't make sense to me | 15:14 |
| @kanzure | most of these asic devices double as wonderful rainbow table generators for sha256 passwords | 15:14 |
| juri_ | mm. good point. | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | are you trying to find a problem? | 15:16 |
| juri_ | no, i'm smelling a problem, and trying to express it. | 15:16 |
| juri_ | aparently, i didn't do such a good job. ;) | 15:16 |
| @kanzure | "the bitcoin users are insufficiently interested in free software according to me" | 15:16 |
| juri_ | of course they aren't. they're incentivized not to be. | 15:17 |
| juri_ | THAT is the problem. the incentive, not the users. | 15:17 |
| @kanzure | because cgminer is fake ? | 15:17 |
| juri_ | what do you mean? | 15:18 |
| @kanzure | it looks like free software to me | 15:18 |
| @kanzure | https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer | 15:18 |
| juri_ | Ugh. | 15:18 |
| juri_ | i thought you were smarter than that. | 15:18 |
| juri_ | jesus fucking christ on a goddamned pogo stick. | 15:18 |
| juri_ | *sigh* | 15:18 |
| @kanzure | "just because it has a gplv3 license doesn't mean it's free software" ? | 15:18 |
| juri_ | "just because its free software, doesn't mean you can use it with the gear you have, which begs, pleads, and basically demands non-free software". | 15:19 |
| @kanzure | i don't think any of those gpl asic designs required proprietary software | 15:19 |
| @kanzure | (i don't know why they were GPL'd though. that doesn't really make sense for hardware designs etc etc.) | 15:20 |
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| juri_ | and, that doesn't lead to a device the users can use to run free sotware. | 15:20 |
| @kanzure | why? | 15:20 |
| juri_ | i address that point. | 15:20 |
| juri_ | what do you do with a massive SHA256 hash generator? | 15:20 |
| juri_ | break passwords? brilliant. what else? | 15:20 |
| @kanzure | i thought we were talking about bitcoin mining. you've lost me. | 15:21 |
| juri_ | you know, i wrote a pretty clear paper. i think you're wanting to be lost. :P | 15:21 |
| * juri_ sighs. | 15:22 | |
| juri_ | sorry, i'm just frustratedly trying to communicate something. | 15:22 |
| juri_ | what do you do with a bitcoin mining asic when it is no longer profitible to plug it in and mine with it? | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | "to the extreme of an ASIC based approach, where little utility can be derived other than mining" the original purpose wasn't general utility, it was mining.. | 15:22 |
| juri_ | your solution was rainbow tables. | 15:22 |
| @kanzure | i don't care what i do with it | 15:22 |
| juri_ | do i say it was? | 15:22 |
| juri_ | I do. because those are elements we don't get back. fabrication of those chips likely means expensive elements in landfills. | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | it's not a general computing device, it might not even be turing complete etc | 15:23 |
| @kanzure | okay, so this is about waste..? | 15:23 |
| juri_ | exactly. that is the point i make. | 15:23 |
| juri_ | this is about reuse of the devices themselves to run free software. | 15:24 |
| @kanzure | there are many companies that extract precious metals from old pcbs | 15:24 |
| justanotheruser | juri_: All consumer tech is thrown away after 5 years anyways | 15:24 |
| juri_ | because, if users cannot use the computing devices they own to run free software, we the free software community have 'lost'. | 15:24 |
| @kanzure | are you next going to try to reuse a diode to run a free operating system on it? there is a point of diminishing returns where an object is not made up of computronium. | 15:24 |
| juri_ | justanotheruser: 95% of my gear is 10+ years old. | 15:24 |
| juri_ | justanotheruser: not everyone is in your class bracket. | 15:24 |
| @kanzure | nothing he said was about class brackets, please pay attention | 15:25 |
| juri_ | kanzure: consumer. pay attention yourself. some of us are not consumers. | 15:25 |
| @kanzure | huh? | 15:25 |
| justanotheruser | juri_: so you don't own a computer? | 15:25 |
| @kanzure | i'm not sure he called you a consumer | 15:25 |
| juri_ | justanotheruser: i own computers built of recycled gear, mostly. and the ones i do own, i purchased outright almost a decade ago. | 15:26 |
| juri_ | i repair everything. | 15:26 |
| justanotheruser | I think the only people we can describe as not consumers are amish sustenance farmers | 15:26 |
| juri_ | yea, i study how they work. | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | well this conversation devolved fast | 15:26 |
| justanotheruser | yea | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | justanotheruser: please stop | 15:26 |
| justanotheruser | sorry | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | justanotheruser: your ideas are bad and poorly considered | 15:26 |
| justanotheruser | :/ | 15:26 |
| @kanzure | juri_: what is the minimum set of components that you feel have a moral obligation to run free software | 15:27 |
| juri_ | actually, i consider them timely, because justanotheruser is.. justanotheruser. | 15:27 |
| juri_ | and, that 'attitude' further reinforces my point. | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | i'm not interested in philosophical categorization of consumers | 15:27 |
| @kanzure | we were talking about something completely different | 15:27 |
| * juri_ nods. | 15:27 | |
| juri_ | kanzure: i'm not the one that makes that decision. | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | what does that mean? | 15:28 |
| chris_99 | juri_, i haven't read your thing fully yet, but are you advocating something like a POW function that's easily changable, to prevent people using ASICs | 15:28 |
| juri_ | chris_99: i am. | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | what! | 15:28 |
| @kanzure | that's not even written on the page | 15:28 |
| chris_99 | heh | 15:29 |
| juri_ | kanzure: it means that i want a user to be able to use free software on all devices made of 'computronium'. | 15:29 |
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| juri_ | they bring the device. i bring the software. | 15:29 |
| @kanzure | and you consider an asic to be computronium in that sentence | 15:29 |
| justanotheruser | How are those ideas even related? | 15:29 |
| juri_ | so, i'm not chosing the size, or flavor of the hardware. the only question i have is: how do i help this user use this hardware to help them? | 15:29 |
| @kanzure | justanotheruser: which ones | 15:29 |
| juri_ | and, for asics, thats pretty much "use it to heat your home, or crack passwords". | 15:30 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: dynamic mining algorithm and being able to use free software | 15:30 |
| @kanzure | juri_: out of curiosity, are you also opposed to other purpose-specific chips | 15:30 |
| juri_ | i can't go "run gimp on it! make it emulate a cpu! etc, and provide the user with software for them to do this. | 15:30 |
| juri_ | generally, yes. | 15:30 |
| @kanzure | justanotheruser: it incentivizes people to use asics which aren't general purpose or capable of running software, therefore they can't run free software on it | 15:30 |
| eudoxia | but as a coin matures and becomes more specialized, people will develop faster, more specific, and necessarily less general ways to mine them | 15:31 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: my mining rig is the finest possible, it runs 12 billion instances of lotus 123 | 15:31 |
| juri_ | exactly. there's not much to do about this, other than use the most complicated (and therefore most likely to require a cpu) algorithms possible. | 15:31 |
| juri_ | anything else is incentivizing the user to not run free software, or worse to not even be capable of running free software. | 15:32 |
| juri_ | so, bitcoin bad, primecoin good. | 15:33 |
| eudoxia | free software is good and all, but maybe that's actually bad from the user's point of view | 15:33 |
| justanotheruser | Are there any coins that are wont end up having ASICs with sufficient size? Could you not develop an ASIC specifically for finding primes? | 15:33 |
| eudoxia | maybe cryptocoins becoming more specialized and requiring vaster capital investments to setup up mining rigs for is a good thing | 15:33 |
| eudoxia | justanotheruser: exactly. CPUs are general and slow for anything specific. once you know the domain you're working on, you can create an efficient hardware implementation for it | 15:33 |
| juri_ | justanotheruser: no, asics will always be the fastest, just by eliminating unnecissary gates. | 15:34 |
| juri_ | er. i guess s/no/yes. | 15:34 |
| juri_ | therefore, those who care about turing machines being prolific in the world are morally obligated to pick coins with complicated algorithms.. and those who don't mind disposable hardware use bitcoin. | 15:35 |
| justanotheruser | juri_: but these complicated algorithms will be ASICed anyways... | 15:35 |
| @kanzure | will you feel better if there is a general purpose 4-bit chip included in all asics | 15:36 |
| justanotheruser | loll | 15:36 |
| eudoxia | well, maybe there are some algorithms where an efficient hardware implementation wouldn't get much faster than a CPU one | 15:36 |
| chris_99 | you can make the system change over time though to prevent ASICs justanotheruser | 15:36 |
| juri_ | better? yes. but the incentive is always going to be for that to be the smallest possible, to make room for the actual mining gear. | 15:36 |
| @kanzure | so you are opposed to things like the sha256 die packages; what about other purpose-specific components like ALUs or caches | 15:37 |
| juri_ | kanzure: you're right to point out that there is a slippery slope there. i agree with you. | 15:37 |
| justanotheruser | chris_99: how would that be done? Would it be predetermined? If it were, then the ASICs would be made until they were getting ready for the next asic. Is it voted on by the miners? The miners would probably vote to keep their hardware. | 15:37 |
| chris_99 | not sure, it couldn't be predetermined though | 15:38 |
| juri_ | in fact, i think i'm stating clearly that there is a slope, we are picking positions on it, and it goes from cpu->gpu->fpga->asic, in order of increasing efficiency/decreasing freedom. | 15:38 |
| @kanzure | juri_: i am not trying to point out a slippery slope, i was genuinely wondering about your opinions, jeeze | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | juri_: i haven't decided if i wanted to make a slipper slope argument, either | 15:39 |
| juri_ | oh, sorry. ;) | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | *slippery | 15:39 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: what is your hashrate? | 15:39 |
| juri_ | I am opposed to special purpose gear. this represents sliding down that slope. | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | i'm not mining | 15:39 |
| @kanzure | oh wait, i guess i might be, if you squint your eyes i think i own at least 20 GH/s | 15:40 |
| eudoxia | the mining rig thing, i'm fairly sure, was a joke | 15:40 |
| juri_ | look at hardware crypto, for instance. whoops, thats implemented in microcode for intel stuffs, and therefore really softwre, that they keep secret from you. | 15:40 |
| @kanzure | but it's through some mining contracts from wayback when | 15:40 |
| juri_ | via implemented theirs at the hardware level... but you cannot examine the 'source' of that hardware any more than the intel solution. | 15:40 |
| juri_ | so, neither solution are trustable, because they're not implemented on a turing machine, or if they are, they're kept as non-free as possible. | 15:41 |
| eudoxia | well what if you had a FOSS ASIC that you just ran off an assembler/3d printer/whatever | 15:42 |
| eudoxia | or had it built the normal way | 15:42 |
| juri_ | that would be completely different. the means of the production would be in the open, and therefore incentivizing those means would bring us all more freedom, through more chip printers. | 15:42 |
| @kanzure | As free software developers, we want users to be able to derive as much freedom and utility as possible through usage of the software we provide. It is therefore in our interests for coin algorithms to incentivize usage and production of mining solutions with the most reuse potential. | 15:42 |
| eudoxia | oh ok | 15:43 |
| @kanzure | oops how did that happen | 15:43 |
| @kanzure | i was walking and not typing | 15:43 |
| @kanzure | :( | 15:43 |
| juri_ | kanzure: your walking is as good as my week long tortured paper. hense, why i asked for your opinion. ;P | 15:43 |
| eudoxia | since we're asking kanzure questions: when do you think someone is finally going to get DMS/MNT working? | 15:44 |
| @kanzure | juri_: what are your general opinions about computronium-replacing-most-matter being a good/bad thing to aim for | 15:46 |
| @kanzure | eudoxia: it will be the second satoshi that funds that (kidding) | 15:46 |
| juri_ | most matter is computronium, its just on a different system (see, the universe is a hollogram). the real question you're asking is where i stand as far as us controlling said computational abilities. i think all matter in the known universe should be made of computronium. | 15:47 |
| @kanzure | ah now we're getting somewhere.. | 15:47 |
| juri_ | kanzure: this is the first thing i'll have written up in a while. how bad is it? ;) | 15:48 |
| @kanzure | pretty bad, you should probably write some opening statements regarding your computronium beliefs | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | maybe not the "convert the entire galaxy" part, but at least the stuff about hating non-computing devices | 15:49 |
| @kanzure | *non-general-purpose computing devices | 15:49 |
| juri_ | i take that a bit for granted, given my audience is by definition free software developers. | 15:50 |
| juri_ | i'll give it a shot. | 15:50 |
| @kanzure | i doubt most free software developers are motivated by plans to convert the galaxies into grey goo | 15:50 |
| juri_ | they aren't? :) | 15:51 |
| juri_ | damn. who is? i want to be on that team. ;P | 15:51 |
| eudoxia | if it's not thinking, it isn't working | 15:51 |
| juri_ | if its not a turing machine, its not really as useful for free software developers. therefore, down with rocks, up with CPUs. | 15:52 |
| eudoxia | amen | 15:53 |
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| @kanzure | here is what cathal is up to http://www.synbioaxlr8r.com/ | 16:02 |
| chris_99 | ooooooh | 16:04 |
| chris_99 | that looks fun | 16:04 |
| eudoxia | http://gow.epsrc.ac.uk/NGBOViewGrant.aspx?GrantRef=EP/G007837/1 | 16:06 |
| eudoxia | apparently philip moriarty's MNT grant got extended from oct 2013 to march 2014 | 16:06 |
| eudoxia | might be good news | 16:07 |
| @kanzure | speaking of moriarty... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17612316/AUDIO/i_have_btc_no_i_wont_link_my_blockchain_lol_noob.mp3?dl=1 | 16:07 |
| chris_99 | whats that | 16:07 |
| @kanzure | the greatest thing you will ever hear | 16:08 |
| chris_99 | haha | 16:08 |
| eudoxia | i'm afraid its going to 0-day my computer and merge it into a bitcoin mining botnet | 16:08 |
| chris_99 | lol, who made that | 16:08 |
| justanotheruser | chris_99: says at the beginning | 16:11 |
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| chris_99 | juri_, so why don't you want ASICs was it because they can't be used for anything other than mining, so will eventually get thrown away | 16:22 |
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| juri_ | chris_99: correct. | 17:48 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 17:54 |
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| @nmz787 | I think this is probably a good thing to be on a mass-media site http://mashable.com/2013/09/20/why-you-dont-love-science/ | 19:31 |
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| @kanzure | yeeep "I’d like to point out that the range of postdoc salaries (averaging $30,000 to $60,000) is approximately what a high school teacher makes their first year teaching." | 19:47 |
| @kanzure | iirc high school teachers in nyc make much more than $60k their first year | 19:49 |
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| drewbug | Where should somebody interested in doing DIY focused ultrasound neurostimulation start? | 20:31 |
| @kanzure | probably looking at the pcb boards necessary for driving each phase array unit | 20:32 |
| ThomasEgi | or getting the array units. | 20:57 |
| ThomasEgi | drewbug, do you have a number on the resolution that can be achived using ultrasonic stimulation? | 20:57 |
| drewbug | I do not. | 20:58 |
| drewbug | I will look for one. | 20:58 |
| @kanzure | ThomasEgi: a few mm^2 | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | ThomasEgi: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/ | 20:59 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, that seems ways to much for stimulating like a bunch of neurons inside a nerve. | 20:59 |
| @kanzure | oh, it's certainly not going to do single-neuron stimulation | 21:00 |
| ParahSailin | galois field F_{2^m} arithmetic https://github.com/rcallahan/Galois | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | """Using a method of transcranial US brain stimulation with an acoustic collimating tube (d = 2mm), an estimate of the volume of cortical activation maybe =~ 3 mm^3 as indicated by c-fos activity (Figure 15). The 1.5-2.0 mm lateral area of activation observed represents a more reliable measure and is approximately five times better than the =~ 1cm lateral spatial resolution offered by transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) (Barker, 1999). ... | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | ... Due to the millimeter spatial resolutions conferred by US, structured US fields may be used to drive patterned activation in sparsely distributed brain circuits. Similarly, focusing with acoustic meta-materials (having a negative refractive index) enables subdiffraction spatial resolutions to be achieved for US (Zhang et al., 2009). Brain regions <1.0 mm may be accurately targeted for neurostimulation using 0.5 MHz US. Such spatial scales ... | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | ... make transcranial US for brain stimulation amenable to a variety of research and clinical applications.""" | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | see http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/neuro/ultrasound/notes.txt | 21:00 |
| @kanzure | <1mm is sorta vague i wonder how much smaller | 21:03 |
| ThomasEgi | that's some good information. unfortunately the method doesn't look very promising for my problem tho. | 21:04 |
| @kanzure | wait, what? weren't we answering a drewbug question? | 21:04 |
| ThomasEgi | i highjacked the question a bit^ sry bout that | 21:04 |
| @kanzure | oh i see | 21:04 |
| @kanzure | what is your question? | 21:04 |
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| ThomasEgi | how to best stimulate the optic nerve at the highest possible resolution. | 21:05 |
| @kanzure | is surgery allowed | 21:05 |
| ThomasEgi | so far, my ideas are still bound to regular multi-electrode arrays. altho as stacked sets of blades. with each blade having several dozens of electrodes on it. | 21:06 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah. surgery should be ok | 21:06 |
| ThomasEgi | my rough estimates indicate that getting a 64x64 array into the optic nerve would be somewhat possible. | 21:06 |
| @kanzure | what is wrong with ultrasound in this case? the coverage area would be larger than you need, but i don't see this as problematic? | 21:07 |
| ThomasEgi | the nerve is about 3mm diameter. | 21:07 |
| ThomasEgi | and if ultrasonic can stimulate a 1.5 to 2mm region.. that'd be very far from my target | 21:07 |
| @kanzure | tell me more things about this | 21:09 |
| ThomasEgi | my ultimate goal would be to come up with an idea to realize a 160x144 electrode array that connects to the optic nerve. | 21:09 |
| ThomasEgi | which is (fully intended) the original gameboy resolution. | 21:09 |
| ThomasEgi | but it also makes a decent replacement for an eye in case you go blind. and.. i know people who will go blind in the next years. | 21:10 |
| ThomasEgi | as for the time speaking. i currently have one electrode output working and tested (not on the optic nerve tho, just my arm). | 21:11 |
| ThomasEgi | an 8 electrode circuit is waiting to be tested. | 21:11 |
| ThomasEgi | biggest issues by far is the mechanical design. getting the electrodes into the nerve without destroying either. | 21:13 |
| ThomasEgi | are you aware of any way to break apart connective tissue of a nerve without damaging the nerve itself? | 21:13 |
| @kanzure | superkuh: maybe you do.. | 21:14 |
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| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/342/6164/1367.full | 21:38 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Exonic%20Transcription%20Factor%20Binding%20Directs%20Codon%20Choice%20and%20Affects%20Protein%20Evolution.pdf | 21:38 |
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