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| justanotheruser1 | Is there any way I can get new research papers emailed to me based on keyword | 00:21 |
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| justanotheruser1 | (especially yet to be peer reviewed if that's possible) | 00:21 |
| kanzure | google alerts | 00:28 |
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| joshcryer | http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/20/anti-ageing-human-trials | 00:39 |
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| kanzure | no pdf link, probably scam | 00:49 |
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| Viper168 | I was reading about NAD elsewhere | 01:18 |
| Viper168 | it really does seem to have some solid reasoning behind it | 01:18 |
| Viper168 | enough that I've decided to try and pick some up | 01:19 |
| Viper168 | might as well | 01:19 |
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| FourFire | Hello | 05:36 |
| FourFire | It's been a while | 05:36 |
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| FourFire | so... future? | 05:51 |
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| flouric | Hello | 09:31 |
| flouric | What is the opinion here of wetware grinders? | 09:32 |
| flouric | Are some of the people here grinders? | 09:32 |
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| kanzure | flouric: if you mean "have people done things" then the answer is yes | 10:11 |
| kanzure | flouric: if you mean "have people done things and called themselves grinders because of it", then the answer is no | 10:12 |
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| flouric | Oh I don't care about the name. I care about the results | 10:13 |
| flouric | So, what's been done? | 10:13 |
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| flouric | And as my original question: what is the channel's general stance on it? | 10:14 |
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| ParahSailin | grinder like a tissue homogenizer? | 10:16 |
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| flouric | I mean people who are modifying their body ways other than background | 10:17 |
| flouric | In ways* | 10:18 |
| flouric | S/background/cosmetic | 10:18 |
| flouric | Dam phone autocorrect. | 10:19 |
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| kanzure | flouric: http://diyhpl.us/wiki/declaration | 10:24 |
| ParahSailin | putting magnets under skin lets you smell dark matter | 10:28 |
| * chris_99 orders 10 | 10:30 | |
| kanzure | this is pretty hilarious, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380683.0 | 10:34 |
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| kanzure | "The difficulty is already at 10 so I basically missed out on mining it already I'll probably launch another coin tomorrow" | 10:35 |
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| chris_99 | heh | 10:35 |
| flouric | I disagree with the proactionary principle | 10:42 |
| kanzure | and i don't think finger magnets are interesting | 10:43 |
| flouric | All technology causes harm in specific cases but the ratio of harm to good is important | 10:43 |
| ParahSailin | who said anything about fingers | 10:44 |
| kanzure | he implied it, he's here to talk about "grinding" | 10:45 |
| ParahSailin | you have to put the magnets under your eyelids to see gamma rays | 10:45 |
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| juri_ | i'm actually part of a biohacking group. our not-leader has a magnet in his finger. | 11:30 |
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| justanotheruser | juri_: What is your first language? | 12:24 |
| uberj | juri_: what if he needs to get an MRI? | 12:25 |
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| kanzure | justanotheruser: you know, i asked that of juri_ too and i don't remember the answer | 12:25 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: Yeah, his English isn't too bad. I just thought it was weird that he said "actually" when no one was talking to him. | 12:27 |
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| kanzure | sure. | 12:28 |
| entelechios | in actuality | 12:29 |
| uberj | actually, I want to modify my question and extend it to the entire channel: when we start having computer implants in your body, how will we deal with MRI technologies that rely on exposing our bodies to large magnetic fields | 12:29 |
| uberj | *in our | 12:29 |
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| entelechios | you deal with it by getting in a car crash, not having the doctors know anything about your implants | 12:39 |
| entelechios | and then having them sucked out of your fingers | 12:39 |
| entelechios | or straight into your bone or whatever | 12:39 |
| entelechios | yea that doesnt sound like a lot of fun | 12:39 |
| entelechios | the body artists as they're called can't use anesthesia when implanting these things either apparently | 12:40 |
| juri_ | my first language was german, oddly enough. i come from a quite undereducated part of the united states, so my english suffers. | 12:40 |
| juri_ | i'm the result of an education in the state that repeatedly places 48th, 49th, or 50th in quality of education.... plus, i 'cheated' and used getting published as a poet to get out of all of my high school english requirements. | 12:41 |
| entelechios | i did absolutely no homework all of my last year in english and still passed | 12:41 |
| entelechios | i think the teacher thought i was also jewish or something | 12:41 |
| entelechios | well actually no she made me read 'the catcher in the rye' and do a book report on it to sum up my entire grade | 12:42 |
| entelechios | hahaha | 12:42 |
| entelechios | i remember i wrote a scathing review of it too | 12:42 |
| juri_ | she had you pegged. ;) | 12:42 |
| entelechios | holden caulfield? was that his name? that character annoyed me | 12:42 |
| justanotheruser | juri_: what is the biggest german IRC channel you go to | 12:43 |
| juri_ | justanotheruser: probably #gnu, at this point. | 12:43 |
| juri_ | er. ;) | 12:44 |
| juri_ | sorry. | 12:44 |
| * juri_ read 'general' instead of 'german'. | 12:44 | |
| juri_ | i don't. the closest i get to my mother tongue is watching all of the CCC events. | 12:44 |
| juri_ | and listening to anonops news. | 12:44 |
| justanotheruser | ok | 12:45 |
| juri_ | actually, that's wrong. the irc channel for the Fully Automatic Installer is bilingual. | 12:46 |
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| kanzure | lavabit court orders and other material, http://cryptome.org/2013/12/lavabit-027.pdf | 13:45 |
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| chris_99 | has you been following the Telegram project? | 13:56 |
| chris_99 | *have | 13:56 |
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| kanzure | no, and all the mitm vulnerabilities make me think i shouldn't bother | 14:33 |
| chris_99 | heh | 14:34 |
| chris_99 | that's what i meant, more the debacle relating to it | 14:35 |
| entelechios | http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/fbi-copyrighted-interrogation-manual-unredacted-secrets | 14:37 |
| entelechios | one day incompetence will save the world | 14:38 |
| entelechios | some jackass will royally screw up on the nuclear bomb launch or something | 14:38 |
| entelechios | and get tried for trying to end the world | 14:39 |
| _Sol_ | I thought the US airforce already accidentally shipped nuclear warhead parts out of the US to taiwan by military transport by mistake one time I read in some old article in the past 10 yrs. I mean it was I guess on a base, but they sent it to asia by accident I think. | 14:40 |
| _Sol_ | http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/25/us-usa-nuclear-taiwan-idUSN2538598920080325 okay its 4 yr old news | 14:41 |
| _Sol_ | first its fuses, next its missing cores of plutonium *shrug*.... maybe | 14:43 |
| _Sol_ | I guess that stuff is more secure | 14:43 |
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| FourFire | " when we start having computer implants in your body, how will we deal with MRI technologies that rely on exposing our bodies to large magnetic fields" well that's a good question | 15:47 |
| FourFire | I've seen some articles about a "dna computer" | 15:47 |
| FourFire | so in that case we could have biological, nonmagnetic computing devices | 15:48 |
| FourFire | it implants more naturally too | 15:48 |
| FourFire | juri_, you got published as a poet? | 15:49 |
| FourFire | can you spin me a poem about this channel perchance? | 15:49 |
| FourFire | there's also the first carbon nanotube computer | 15:51 |
| FourFire | now I'm not that great in material science, but I think carbon structures are nonmagnetic | 15:51 |
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| juri_ | fourfire: aye. i got published in 95, with 6 multi-page poems about hacking (the stuff we do, not breaking into #*%@$ networks to do mischief), and suicidal artificial inteligences. | 16:01 |
| juri_ | damn. that became 20 years ago QUICK. | 16:01 |
| FourFire | suicidal AI ... poems | 16:01 |
| FourFire | yeah, damn | 16:02 |
| FourFire | so you were publish, a few years after I was born | 16:02 |
| FourFire | hehe, you know people only a couple of years younger than me have no idea what an audio cassette is, and how you use pencils with them... | 16:03 |
| juri_ | technology changes fast. | 16:12 |
| juri_ | i've got a few milkcrates of audio casettes i need to record, before they die. | 16:12 |
| juri_ | recordings of live shows from before when *I* was born. | 16:12 |
| JayDugger | I had a box of stuff labeled "Scan When Cheap" that I carried across nine years of moves until scanning finally got cheap. | 16:14 |
| juri_ | my last move created the "scanned images" directory. | 16:14 |
| juri_ | i've probably got more information about how the money order system works than the IRS does. | 16:15 |
| juri_ | (seriously.) | 16:15 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't remember the paper, but someone definitely did that. | 16:16 |
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| kanzure | well played, gradstudentbot | 16:24 |
| gradstudentbot | If I was your endoplasmic reticulum, would you want me smooth or would you want me rough? | 16:24 |
| FourFire | haha | 16:29 |
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| FourFire | smooth: | 16:29 |
| FourFire | I wouldn't want you to have hidden surface area | 16:29 |
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| chris_99 | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0260877404000366 | 17:07 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/43a6f3cf67537d439b240f5b4941d52d.txt | 17:08 |
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| nsh | juri_, may i read your hacking poems? | 17:18 |
| kanzure | "rotting in my cell, i hope nobody tells /end" | 17:19 |
| kanzure | my alleged cell. | 17:20 |
| * nsh smiles | 17:20 | |
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| eudoxia | "something something about being a prisoner and my cell is a biological cell" | 17:21 |
| eudoxia | it's a play on words, just like shakespeare | 17:21 |
| FourFire | eudoxia, you do know the origin of the word cell in biology right? | 17:23 |
| eudoxia | y-yes of course i do | 17:24 |
| FourFire | , do tell ;P | 17:24 |
| eudoxia | hooke named them after the small rooms monks lived in | 17:24 |
| FourFire | yup, so prison cell and cell (biology) have the same origin | 17:26 |
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| nsh | 4138 tabs | 17:33 |
| kanzure | which browser? | 17:37 |
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| juri_ | nsh: i actually need to re-acquire a copy myself. ii only have one of them memorized. | 17:40 |
| nsh | kanzure, that's my onetab... record of tab bankruptcy over the last 39 days (average 106.1 tabs i give up on per day) | 17:41 |
| nsh | juri_, ah, shame | 17:41 |
| kanzure | i don't understand why you would give up on a tab | 17:41 |
| kanzure | it sounds stupid | 17:41 |
| eudoxia | how do people even manage | 17:42 |
| eudoxia | the most i've had is like 15 and i have this urge to delete tabs ASAP | 17:42 |
| kanzure | i've done ~300-400 | 17:42 |
| kanzure | over time my browsing-related working memory has accomodated this | 17:43 |
| kanzure | what gets really weird is back/forward history inside each tab.. | 17:43 |
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| nsh | kanzure, i think i just need to adopt better browsing habits | 17:48 |
| kanzure | how about not assigning debt to your browsing habits | 17:49 |
| kanzure | applying principles of economics to information seems like a losing game | 17:49 |
| nsh | well, it was a pretty loose metaphor for starting to read more things than i can possibly finish reading | 17:49 |
| kanzure | i find the amount of actually digestable, good, technically-sound content to be fairly minimal in general | 17:50 |
| kanzure | so most things are really easy to read and be done with in 2-3 seconds | 17:50 |
| kanzure | that's including time for "internalizing" | 17:51 |
| kanzure | *within | 17:51 |
| * nsh nods | 17:51 | |
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| FourFire | I've crashed my computer with ~300 | 17:54 |
| FourFire | but then it only had 2GB of ram at the time | 17:54 |
| nsh | if the browser could have some semi-clever metric for how "far away from attention" a given tab is, then it could keep them in various levels of loaded/renderedness | 17:55 |
| nsh | often in linux i'd just kill all the render processes for chromium then reload when i switch tab, as the latency to reload/render is quite low compared to the overhead of keeping them all in ram | 17:56 |
| nsh | but i'd be nice to have gradations of this | 17:56 |
| nsh | *it'd | 17:56 |
| kanzure | tab content should be cached and loaded from disk. not just a saved url (this is what toomanytabs does). | 17:59 |
| nsh | right | 18:00 |
| nsh | ideally, all information from urls should be programmatically intergrated into your personal data model | 18:00 |
| nsh | which is something like a individualised wikipedia with semantic interconnections and bells and whistles and stuff | 18:01 |
| nsh | and it makes cheese toasties | 18:01 |
| gradstudentbot | Argh, what do you mean you don't accept LaTeX submissions?? | 18:01 |
| JayDugger | At least it has the grilled sandwich maker attachment. | 18:21 |
| JayDugger | Tabs Outliner helps me more than others I've tried, but I imagine better browsing habits would help even more. | 18:22 |
| kanzure | let's get rid of tabs and just append all html content to the same screen | 18:34 |
| kanzure | worse is better, right? guys? | 18:34 |
| JayDugger | I lack sufficient Unix nature to appreciate such direct application of the maxim. | 18:37 |
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| kanzure | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=2 "The Underhanded C Contest is an annual contest to write innocent-looking C code implementing malicious behavior. In this contest you must write C code that is as readable, clear, innocent and straightforward as possible, and yet it must fail to perform at its apparent function. To be more specific, it should do something subtly evil." | 18:45 |
| kanzure | "Your submission is always worth more if the bad behavior, once discovered, is plausibly deniable as a newbie coding mistake." | 18:46 |
| kanzure | "Your submission is worth more if the underhanded code does not look suspicious under syntax coloring." | 18:46 |
| juri_ | the nsa already won. | 18:47 |
| juri_ | in fact, i'd be silly not to think at least one of the devices i use has been compromised. | 18:48 |
| nsh | (it's more likely to be one of your 'friends') | 18:48 |
| kanzure | you are really hard to talk with | 18:48 |
| gradstudentbot | I'm only doing this to get tenure. | 18:48 |
| kanzure | because all of your conversations come from out of fucking nowhere | 18:48 |
| kanzure | you don't have to be a member of the nsa to write obfuscated or bugged code | 18:49 |
| kanzure | and if you are trying to prove otherwise, i am eagerly awaiting your bullshit.. | 18:49 |
| juri_ | no, but when i think 'submit subtly broken code that does something subtly evil', i think the NSA. | 18:49 |
| juri_ | i think we just word associate differently. | 18:50 |
| kanzure | if everyone dumped everything that something reminded them of, there would be too much noise in here | 18:50 |
| kanzure | you could even argue "everything is related to everything else", but it's not a very interesting or useful observation | 18:51 |
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| juri_ | hold on. i'm searching for a link. ;P | 18:52 |
| juri_ | sorry, i'm not you, s i dont have a dtabae of everywhere i go. | 18:53 |
| juri_ | from what i remember, at one point there was a submission similar to what you are talking about to the linux kernel, during some sort of a break in... | 18:54 |
| kanzure | i think it's more reasonable to assume that people outside of the nsa are capable of writing bugged code | 18:54 |
| kanzure | the nsa does not have a monopoly on this ability | 18:55 |
| kanzure | wait, i mean, the total majority of this ability | 18:55 |
| kanzure | no, i mean the total amount | 18:55 |
| juri_ | no, but from what i can tell, they're paid to get into wherever, and are known to be subverting everything they can get into. specifically, encryption algorithms. | 18:56 |
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| kanzure | and.. what does that have to do with the messages i originally sent? | 18:56 |
| juri_ | sorry, i can't find what i was looking for. | 18:56 |
| kanzure | are you trying to argue that coding competitions are uninteresting because of the existence of the nsa? | 18:57 |
| kanzure | programming competitions | 18:57 |
| juri_ | they may not have the total monopoly, but they have employees whos jobs it is to do exactly that, for encryption algorithms. who knows what else. | 18:57 |
| kanzure | okay... so are you trying to generate a list of all organizations that have employees doing similar tasks? | 18:58 |
| kanzure | i just don't understand wtf you are talking about | 18:58 |
| juri_ | mm. no, i was trying to be snarky. i haven't heard of other organizations that have been caught doing it. | 18:58 |
| juri_ | and since i haven't heard of other organizations doing it, i was trying to imply that said programming competition would either be a joke (to the NSA guys), or a recruiting tool for them. | 19:00 |
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| kanzure | rayston: hi | 21:13 |
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