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| Viper168 | boop | 09:53 |
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| kanzure | shit be broke https://github.com/paramiko/paramiko/pull/214 | 10:19 |
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| pasky | my CCC bookmarks: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5468.html (space) http://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5437.html (autonomous ecosystem) http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5289.html (hacker body) http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5406.html (drones) http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5395.html (state-of-art bci) ... | 12:39 |
| pasky | ... http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5526.html (strong ai) http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5613.html (wikipedia apple) | 12:39 |
| nsh | wikipedia apple? | 12:42 |
| nsh | oh god | 12:43 |
| nsh | that is a ridiculous project | 12:43 |
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| nsh | en.wikipedia current revision text, compressed: 9.5gb | 12:45 |
| nsh | apple genome: ~800mb | 12:45 |
| kanzure | there are larger genomes around | 12:45 |
| * nsh nods | 12:46 | |
| gradstudentbot | That's definitely a Cell paper. | 12:46 |
| pasky | nsh: they want to take just top 50k articles | 12:47 |
| pasky | but joe davis talked about bunch of other crazy stuff | 12:47 |
| pasky | and said just three sentences at the very end about this | 12:47 |
| nsh | ok | 12:48 |
| nsh | DNA for long-term storage is an interested field | 12:48 |
| nsh | but trying to do it in an apple is clearly an art-school gimmick | 12:48 |
| pasky | it seemed they chose apples in particular for the shortness of their genome (the original kind of apple) | 12:49 |
| pasky | but the talk was rather confusing :) | 12:49 |
| kanzure | that seems like a rather boring talk for CCC, to be honest | 12:50 |
| kanzure | there are tons of interesting dna things to talk about | 12:51 |
| pasky | there is maybe more, it just was on right now and the only talk i actually listened to :) i didn't select for bio talks much | 12:52 |
| pasky | http://ccc.devsn.se/congress/2013/Fahrplan/events/5526.html seemed interesting but if they talk about just http://micropsi.com/ too much, i don't know if i'll be very impressed | 12:58 |
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| heath | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-642-39357-0_2 | 16:00 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b265f42b38f2055cb38c372bec8cacf9.txt | 16:00 |
| heath | paperbot, noooo! | 16:00 |
| * heath heads to r/scholar | 16:00 | |
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| FourFire | what is the NRA again? | 16:04 |
| juri_ | national rifle association? | 16:07 |
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| entelechios | 'the other nra' | 16:13 |
| entelechios | https://encrypted.google.com/#q=the+other+nra | 16:13 |
| entelechios | national restaurant association AKA the ones who are ripping off all the foodservice workers and making us sick with the cutting of standards | 16:13 |
| entelechios | who wants to open a chinese robot restaurant | 16:14 |
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| Dantespeaks | Johnny Depp merges with the A.I on the upcoming movie: "Transcendence." | 17:09 |
| Dantespeaks | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCTen3-B8GU | 17:09 |
| chris_99 | is that the terry gilliam film | 17:10 |
| chris_99 | ah apparently not | 17:11 |
| Dantespeaks | Assuming you can upload your electrical impulses to a computer, i could understand some aspects of your self, (personality) can be tranferred by the patterns of way these electrical activities present them on the brain, but how can it retain memories without neurons? | 17:19 |
| Dantespeaks | Like, don't you need something tangible to access memories in the first place? Why is it that people say everything can be transferred, and it's not a copy? | 17:20 |
| kanzure | when most people talk about whole brain emulation they never imply "upload your electrical impulses" | 17:20 |
| kanzure | you should read more encyclopedias | 17:21 |
| Dantespeaks | ...right ok... | 17:21 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf | 17:21 |
| Dantespeaks | cool thanks. | 17:21 |
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| chris_99 | that film looks cool | 17:37 |
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| Dantespeaks | Would it be a better idea to start learning something from MEMS instead NEMS, due to it's scale of observation being more opaque... I mean, i'd like to see what i'm building, and make it functional, nano based systems are not so practical in the medical realm right now right? We still gotta wait 20 years +? | 18:02 |
| Dantespeaks | is there a IRC channel or a website dedicated to teaching nano-stuff kinda like rosalind? | 18:03 |
| Dantespeaks | preferably by use of python somewhere? | 18:03 |
| Dantespeaks | I understand MEMS manufacturing processes include Deposition, Lithography and Etching to make a device, | 18:05 |
| FourFire | I say 15 minimum, and that's with foom | 18:05 |
| Dantespeaks | but what about NEMS? | 18:05 |
| FourFire | slow, 50-60 years | 18:05 |
| FourFire | slower 80+ years | 18:05 |
| Dantespeaks | any practical NEMS assembly method... | 18:06 |
| FourFire | young people now will get to see it | 18:06 |
| Dantespeaks | oh come on Fourfire thats bit of a stretch. | 18:06 |
| FourFire | Dantespeaks, how old are you biologically and what is your expected lifespan? | 18:06 |
| Dantespeaks | I think I got good 70 years left, if I play it right. | 18:06 |
| FourFire | yeah, so what's the stretch? | 18:07 |
| Dantespeaks | or if I die early, 50... | 18:07 |
| Dantespeaks | well, assuming A.I and nanomeds will be progressing as it is now, I think...40-50 years? | 18:07 |
| FourFire | are you claiming that you Know that foom has to happen within a certain period of time which is shorter than 80 years? | 18:07 |
| Dantespeaks | i dont even know what is foom. | 18:08 |
| FourFire | Foom is the thing that happens which causes the singularity to happen | 18:08 |
| Dantespeaks | oh | 18:08 |
| Dantespeaks | i dont think singularity needs to happen in order for nanomeds to flourish. | 18:08 |
| Dantespeaks | some form of automata - perhaps not sentient, | 18:09 |
| FourFire | today computing technology and some other technologies are getting better at a rate of about 18 months per doubling of performance per unit of currency | 18:09 |
| Dantespeaks | can work with nanotechnology. | 18:09 |
| FourFire | now and that's been increasing | 18:09 |
| Dantespeaks | and that is in the realm of 20+ years. | 18:09 |
| FourFire | the growth rate has been growing | 18:09 |
| FourFire | when that thing is happening every five months | 18:09 |
| FourFire | every three months | 18:09 |
| FourFire | every two weeks | 18:09 |
| FourFire | every two days | 18:09 |
| Dantespeaks | I don't believe A.I has to happen in order for nanotech to flourish and reverse aging in the human body... | 18:09 |
| FourFire | imagine replacing your computer every two hours | 18:10 |
| FourFire | that's foom | 18:10 |
| FourFire | and automata will keep up when humans can't any more | 18:10 |
| FourFire | and then we've lost our shit basically | 18:10 |
| Dantespeaks | if there is an A.I, I would imagine it'll be like, we can assemble an entire person from a bone fragment, like in the "fifth element" movie. | 18:10 |
| FourFire | I'm hoping it's going to be a bit later rather than sooner, but who knows? | 18:11 |
| FourFire | certainly not you | 18:11 |
| FourFire | the fifith element was cool | 18:11 |
| FourFire | but too scifi | 18:11 |
| FourFire | brain structures don't exist in DNA | 18:11 |
| Dantespeaks | oh | 18:11 |
| Dantespeaks | well, maybe memories can be encoded in it's remnants by a DNA | 18:11 |
| FourFire | and thus no matter how comlex "LeeLoo's DNA was her personality and memories couldn't have been recovered from her crashsite bonefragment | 18:12 |
| FourFire | Dantespeaks, have fun, Im ust go now | 18:12 |
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| Dantespeaks | it could be really advanced physics. :P | 18:12 |
| Dantespeaks | oh FourFire just left me. LOL | 18:12 |
| Dantespeaks | Well, I think, if the entire universe is deterministic in some way, it doesn't have to be a bottom up approach to retrieve memories from just DNA, but there could be some patterns that hints the molecular patterns of the brain as it once were. | 18:14 |
| Dantespeaks | obviously sci-fi but A.I could be able to calculate. :P | 18:14 |
| Dantespeaks | why am I talking to myself, my question is, should I get to learning on NEMS and prepare for the future or MEMS and live in the now....... | 18:15 |
| Dantespeaks | FourEyes was bit of an asshole... | 18:27 |
| Dantespeaks | *FourFire whatever. | 18:27 |
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| nsh | NEMS? MEMS? | 18:38 |
| Dantespeaks | yeah...... | 18:41 |
| Dantespeaks | If there's a open source learning for MEMS/NEMS and computational neuroscience in the field of A.I- | 18:55 |
| Dantespeaks | kind of like Rosalind, | 18:55 |
| Dantespeaks | please let me know i'd like to spend time in those sites... | 18:55 |
| Dantespeaks | even IRC channels relating.... | 18:56 |
| Dantespeaks | my mind opened up to using programming languages ---- to leverage myself on learning. | 19:01 |
| Dantespeaks | i couldn't see it before but... now i see it applies in all areas. pretty cool. | 19:02 |
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| entelechios | there is Dantespeaks | 19:20 |
| entelechios | https://www.coursera.org/course/compneuro | 19:20 |
| entelechios | just google | 19:21 |
| entelechios | [advanced academic topic of your choice] | 19:21 |
| entelechios | and | 19:21 |
| entelechios | moc | 19:21 |
| entelechios | or mooc | 19:21 |
| entelechios | next to it | 19:21 |
| entelechios | bam free education the world is a fantastic place all of the sudden | 19:21 |
| kanzure | just because it's on coursera doesn't mean it's worthwhile | 19:21 |
| entelechios | truesay i can't vouch for it at all | 19:21 |
| entelechios | never spent the time on it | 19:21 |
| entelechios | but he now knows how to choose between options | 19:22 |
| entelechios | if there is more than one anyways. i know that stanford had their one for a while | 19:22 |
| Dantespeaks | cool ty. now i have some options to take, and, for me as an absolute beginner, anything is really helpful. | 19:26 |
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| kanzure | pasky: how do i force "git clone" to not prompt me for a username/password? ex: git clone https://github.com/kanzure/wtf123 | 19:58 |
| kanzure | pasky: it looks like --quiet is totally ignored | 19:58 |
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| Dantespeaks | paperbot: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/hologram.html | 20:03 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/840570d1a8b14e5d16bd5493af21255b.txt | 20:03 |
| Dantespeaks | blah... | 20:04 |
| kanzure | got it, GIT_ASKPASS=true git clone | 20:09 |
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| kanzure | another diybio belgium group http://diybio.be/index.php/en/ | 23:41 |
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| drewbug | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21354315 | 23:45 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.neuroimage.2011.02.058 | 23:45 |
| drewbug | Thanks, paperot! | 23:45 |
| drewbug | *paperbot | 23:45 |
| gradstudentbot | That's definitely a Nature paper. | 23:48 |
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