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| heath | http://us3.campaign-archive1.com/?u=ec161f5b4ae2652f703122a0c&id=a427dca8b7&e=cde11cadda | 08:53 |
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| heath | $30k or $300k | 08:53 |
| heath | i'm guessing $30k | 08:53 |
| heath | in funding for sybio | 08:53 |
| heath | synbio | 08:53 |
| heath | i would love to do something like this, unfortunately, i can't think of a worthwhile product | 08:55 |
| heath | http://synbioaxlr8r.com/ | 08:56 |
| heath | i'd be real curious to see what gets funded through this | 08:56 |
| heath | wasn't cathal working with some eu organization which was doing something similar this summer? | 08:57 |
| @kanzure | yes. | 09:02 |
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| heath | kanzure: do you recall the name of it? | 09:14 |
| @kanzure | it's the same thing | 09:17 |
| @kanzure | http://synbioaxlr8r.com/ | 09:17 |
| heath | ah | 09:17 |
| cluckj | neat | 09:17 |
| cluckj | I wish I could go and hang out with those folks while they are working :x | 09:19 |
| heath | surely someone would be willing to start a google hangout | 09:20 |
| @kanzure | ugh you're one of those fuckers | 09:21 |
| @kanzure | why not just any video stream whatsoever. why does it have to be google hangout. | 09:21 |
| cluckj | lol | 09:23 |
| cluckj | telepresence wouldn't do it for me | 09:24 |
| heath | i'm not partial to one or the other, and i'd prefer something which is completely open source. google hangouts is something that almost everyone is familiar with | 09:25 |
| cluckj | I'll see if someone will pay me to go study them | 09:26 |
| heath | one or the other closed source webrtc based chatting services* | 09:29 |
| heath | k | 09:29 |
| heath | back to work | 09:29 |
| ParahSailin | why even video stream | 09:29 |
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| cluckj | who knows | 09:47 |
| @kanzure | why even be here? who are you people. | 09:49 |
| cluckj | there are people here?! I thought it was just gradstudentbot and me | 09:50 |
| gradstudentbot | If I was your endoplasmic reticulum, would you want me smooth or would you want me rough? | 09:50 |
| eudoxia | gradstudentbot needs to stop doing that joke | 09:55 |
| gradstudentbot | Someone stole my pipette. | 09:55 |
| eudoxia | :c | 09:55 |
| cluckj | :< | 09:56 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: this may interest you http://www.avs.org/Chapters/Pacific-Northwest/Technical-Resourses | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | (the ISO vocab) | 11:03 |
| @kanzure | wish i could get a dump of all iso specs :( | 11:03 |
| nmz787 | dang with the vocab in here, gradstudentbot would sound like some genius | 11:04 |
| gradstudentbot | Coffee? Never tried it. | 11:04 |
| nmz787 | 'angle, magic' | 11:05 |
| nmz787 | <XPS> angle at which the spectrometer entrance axis is aligned at 54,7 to the direction of the X-rays at | 11:05 |
| nmz787 | the sample surface | 11:05 |
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| chris_99 | nmz787, did you play with that ARM MCU btw? i've just been looking at some STM boards, albeit without the fancy ADC | 11:37 |
| nmz787 | yeah started to | 11:38 |
| nmz787 | played with the LabTool code (gui and firmware source and binaries are provided) | 11:38 |
| nmz787 | got the blinky light demo running | 11:38 |
| chris_99 | :) | 11:39 |
| nmz787 | scoured the internet like crazy for all info and helped out on some forum posts on lpcware.com | 11:39 |
| nmz787 | haven't had time to actually hack on it more though | 11:39 |
| nmz787 | the ADC has something like a 0.2 to 0.8 V input range | 11:39 |
| nmz787 | and the video ADC I'm using for my spectrometer has a weird input range too | 11:40 |
| nmz787 | so I've been studying op-amps and parts and circuits for scaling and offsetting signals | 11:40 |
| chris_99 | ah interesting, that does sound an odd range | 11:40 |
| chris_99 | i assume it's got a PGA on it? | 11:41 |
| nmz787 | ermmh I can't remember | 11:43 |
| nmz787 | maybe not | 11:43 |
| nmz787 | the spectrometer one does | 11:43 |
| nmz787 | also programmable offset | 11:43 |
| nmz787 | the llpc chip seems like the best bang for buck, unless you specifically need something super-cheap or 'low-power' | 11:44 |
| chris_99 | just been looking at this one myself http://uk.farnell.com/stmicroelectronics/stm32f429i-disco/stm32f4-discovery-eval-board/dp/2355377 | 11:44 |
| nmz787 | I have a teensy 3.1 as well | 11:44 |
| nmz787 | yeah i looked at the F4 series | 11:46 |
| chris_99 | how much flash does yours have? as they have 2M | 11:46 |
| chris_99 | *2MB | 11:46 |
| nmz787 | futureelectronics is also a source, they seem to have EU distribution | 11:47 |
| nmz787 | hmm, lemme lok | 11:48 |
| nmz787 | i was more interested in SRAM size | 11:48 |
| chris_99 | the cool thing about that dev board is it's got 8MB RAM in addition to the MCUs | 11:48 |
| nmz787 | 8M | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/W25Q80BV.pdf | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | no that 8M is flash | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | there is 282kb SRAM | 11:49 |
| chris_99 | i mean the LPC chip, how much flash does that have? | 11:49 |
| nmz787 | yea | 11:50 |
| nmz787 | that's what i'm talking about | 11:50 |
| chris_99 | 8M on the chip itself? | 11:50 |
| gradstudentbot | When is he back from sabbatical? | 11:50 |
| nmz787 | it has 282 kb SRAM internally, no flash internally, though it has a SPI flash accellerator | 11:50 |
| chris_99 | oh | 11:50 |
| nmz787 | and the LPC LINK 2 board has an 8M chip on it | 11:50 |
| nmz787 | which is the part I linked to at adafruit | 11:50 |
| nmz787 | 8M bit dual/quad SPI flash | 11:51 |
| chris_99 | ah ok, so the one i'm looking at have 2MB flash, and 8MB external SRAM, in addition to ~200kB internal RAM | 11:51 |
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| nmz787 | mm, after starting development with the Parallax Propeller, I really got to liking multicore dev, so that's one reason the lpc chip is also interesting to me | 11:53 |
| nmz787 | it's a triple-core | 11:53 |
| chris_99 | oh yeah i forgot about that | 11:54 |
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| chris_99 | is that easy to use | 11:54 |
| nmz787 | the Propeller is certainly a lot easier to get up and running, but the lpc chip knocks its socks off performance-wise if you are data-crunching | 11:54 |
| nmz787 | plus it has built-in high-speed USB 2.0, which negates needing an external USB chip like an FTDI | 11:57 |
| nmz787 | and can hook up to a relatively cheap ethernet PHY | 11:57 |
| nmz787 | (though that is a whole new can of development worms) | 11:57 |
| chris_99 | i presume the stm can do HS USB too, at least it better had | 11:58 |
| nmz787 | and I have only dreamed of doing ethernet dev, though lpc also has some IP stack libraries | 11:58 |
| nmz787 | a lot of those need a HS PHY | 11:58 |
| nmz787 | I can't remember what they call the intermediary signalling between the controller and the PHY | 11:58 |
| chris_99 | i've done usb before, not hs though | 11:59 |
| nmz787 | but it's another part (the lpc has 2 USB 2.0 HS controllers, but only 1 PHY built-in... meaning you're limited to USB 2.0 normal if you don't add another external HS PHY) | 11:59 |
| nmz787 | (on the one port) | 11:59 |
| chris_99 | ah | 11:59 |
| gradstudentbot | I haven't seen my PI in like a week. | 11:59 |
| nmz787 | (the other with built in HS PHY works out of box for 480 MBPS) | 12:00 |
| chris_99 | wow | 12:00 |
| chris_99 | is there a dev board for that one | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | lpc link 2 | 12:00 |
| nmz787 | and also the LabTool is like 100 euros | 12:01 |
| nmz787 | www.embeddedartists.com/products/lpcxpresso/lpclink2.php | 12:01 |
| nmz787 | www.embeddedartists.com/products/app/labtool.php | 12:01 |
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| nmz787 | I don't have the LabTool, but I got the firmware running on the link2 and got the GUI running as well, talking to my link2 I flashed | 12:01 |
| chris_99 | oh heh i've not sen the labtool one | 12:01 |
| nmz787 | their repo is here https://github.com/embeddedartists/labtool | 12:02 |
| nmz787 | labtool is a daughtrboard for the link2 | 12:02 |
| @kanzure | you mean libtool? | 12:02 |
| nmz787 | but it is a complete skeleton for using the HSADC at 80 MSPS via DMA and USB HS | 12:02 |
| nmz787 | no LabTool | 12:03 |
| chris_99 | its a shame the lpc link 2 doesn't have lots of SRAM | 12:03 |
| nmz787 | 282kb is quite a lot | 12:03 |
| nmz787 | for on-chip | 12:03 |
| chris_99 | mm i guess i mean external | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | well it has none externally | 12:04 |
| nmz787 | on the link2 board | 12:04 |
| chris_99 | mm | 12:05 |
| nmz787 | SRAM needs a ton of pins | 12:05 |
| chris_99 | indeed, i'm planning on using eLua you see which will eat RAM | 12:05 |
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| nmz787 | seems like you want something with some variant of DDR on it then | 12:07 |
| nmz787 | if you don't need real-time operation, raspberrypi might work | 12:08 |
| nmz787 | or beaglebone would also, and that has a real-time coprocessor subsystem type thing | 12:08 |
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| chris_99 | nah i still want an MCU so the STM should be perfect | 12:08 |
| nmz787 | not quite a second core, just enough of a brain to offload IO stuff | 12:08 |
| chris_99 | if i could find a devboard with an LPC chip on with ext. SRAM that could be awesome | 12:10 |
| chris_99 | as i could write a lib for elua to do threading ;) | 12:10 |
| nmz787 | there are some SRAM and RAM boards out there, you'd need to make an adapter though... the link2 has lots of digital pins though | 12:12 |
| chris_99 | hmm, i'll have to have a look | 12:13 |
| chris_99 | i'm planning on using Zigbee with it too, so i couldn't use too many | 12:13 |
| nmz787 | i guess it depends also on how fast you need to access the RAM | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | mm you can probably get some kind of SPI or something interface i imagine | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | there may be SPI chips/modules that are fast enough for you | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | :P | 12:14 |
| chris_99 | heh | 12:14 |
| nmz787 | yeah seems the SPIFI accel can do memory mapping of SPI RAM to RAM | 12:16 |
| chris_99 | cool | 12:17 |
| nmz787 | hmm, I guess I spoke too soon, it doesn't handle mapping to the RAM area | 12:22 |
| nmz787 | so you could still use SPI RAM, but the compiler wouldn't handle it for you out-of-the-box | 12:23 |
| nmz787 | you'd need to write a helper function or two | 12:23 |
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| nmz787 | but I guess FRAM is getting cheaper and is decent sized | 12:23 |
| nmz787 | not FRAM, but seems pretty cheap http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-search/en?x=12&y=15&lang=en&site=uk&KeyWords=NP5Q128A13ESFC0E-ND | 12:24 |
| nmz787 | only 16 pins | 12:25 |
| chris_99 | nice, that seems very cheap | 12:25 |
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| nmz787 | what is that site to find outsourcing? | 12:54 |
| @kanzure | elance, freelancer, odesk, vworker, grouptalent | 12:55 |
| @kanzure | none of these are worth your time (you personally) (specifically you) | 12:56 |
| nmz787 | nah i was thinking of sending them comparisons | 12:57 |
| nmz787 | people in india pakistan and nepal are asking $20/hr | 12:57 |
| nmz787 | (but then there's some jerk in SF asking $18) | 12:57 |
| @kanzure | i don't think this is an effective negotiation tactic.. they have already demonstrated that they're okay wasting your time with low offers, just drop them. | 13:02 |
| nmz787 | hmm, well replied that for $25 I could do small fixed blocks, but not long-term | 13:02 |
| @kanzure | you also don't want to say that you compete with the people on freelancer.com, that's a losing battle | 13:02 |
| nmz787 | oh well | 13:03 |
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| wallmani | where is paperbot :( | 16:38 |
| wallmani | gradstudentbot: where is paperbot | 16:38 |
| gradstudentbot | That's definitely a Nature paper. | 16:38 |
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| wallmani | i am so glad i can access a lot of paid papers through my universitt | 16:45 |
| wallmani | *university | 16:45 |
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| catern | universit t | 17:12 |
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| heath | http://2014.igem.org/Tracks/Community_Labs | 22:17 |
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| heath | it isn't clear to me, are principal investigators required to be affiliated with a uni? | 22:20 |
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| @kanzure | hilarious antics http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | (reddit ban not lifted, will ban with prejudice) | 23:27 |
| @kanzure | this was an interesting thing: | 23:28 |
| @kanzure | http://www.deepcapture.com/the-story-of-deep-capture-part-2/ | 23:28 |
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