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| archels | I die a little inside every time my teacher refers to methylphenidate as a nootropic | 00:06 |
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| kanzure | micropipette tihng http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:255519 | 06:44 |
| kanzure | archels: only solution is to murder the teacher | 06:45 |
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| Ulti | ohai | 06:53 |
| Ulti | paperbot help | 06:54 |
| Ulti | paperbot search The Scavenger Receptor Cysteine-Rich (SRCR) domain: an ancient and highly conserved protein module of the innate immune system. | 06:54 |
| kanzure | it only takes urls | 06:55 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.dl.begellhouse.com/journals/2ff21abf44b19838,1bb92ee6322077e8,51ea496923eaf9a5.html | 06:55 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d188a1b683078f247d1dc1812d3e9ab3.txt | 06:55 |
| kanzure | damn | 06:55 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.dl.begellhouse.com/download/article/51ea496923eaf9a5/02-CRI-226.pdf | 06:56 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9b1cf177821a76fc75ad435dae8f096b.txt | 06:56 |
| kanzure | you're fucked | 06:56 |
| Ulti | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14995912 | 06:56 |
| kanzure | ncbi often doesn't host the paper itself | 06:56 |
| kanzure | i mean pubmed | 06:56 |
| Ulti | :/ | 06:56 |
| Ulti | what was the plan to get it? | 06:57 |
| Ulti | as in what would paperbot do that I haven't done? | 06:58 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 06:58 |
| kanzure | it.. does things. magical things. | 06:58 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7266/abs/nature08446.html | 06:59 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnature08446 | 06:59 |
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| ParahSailin | i dont quite understand the csrf attack surface that using the state parameter in oauth 2.0 defends against | 08:06 |
| kanzure | i'm pretty sure that oauth2 is completely vulnerable | 08:16 |
| kanzure | um also, i suddenly suck at shell? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=GLREkikr | 08:16 |
| ParahSailin | yeah i realize that oauth 2 has lots of attack surface | 08:16 |
| ParahSailin | facebook login still requires it | 08:17 |
| ParahSailin | what is the best practice for using the state parameter | 08:17 |
| kanzure | apparently diybio.org now has a "board of directors" | 08:17 |
| kanzure | h/t jojack for informing me :| | 08:17 |
| ParahSailin | thats the mailserv? | 08:17 |
| kanzure | right.. sort of.. diybio.org was just some sight where a lot of non-institutional bio-folks rallied around. yes mostly a mailing list. | 08:17 |
| kanzure | *some site | 08:17 |
| kanzure | but one of the guys running it has weird incentives regarding his job or something | 08:17 |
| ParahSailin | i think i will unsubscribe from diybio | 08:17 |
| ParahSailin | its like an entire community of delinquentme q&a | 08:17 |
| kanzure | "hey everyone let's all be fucking awful!" | 08:18 |
| kanzure | man i can do that on my own thanks | 08:18 |
| gradstudentbot | If you help me, I'll put you on the paper. | 08:19 |
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| gradstudentbot | Is there free food at that seminar? | 08:20 |
| kanzure | huh that's not normal behavior | 08:20 |
| FourFire | hey, does anyone here know what happened with that experiment to give people weak infrared vision by specially feeding them an alternate type of vitamin A which would saturate the membrane of optical receptor cells of a given type and react to different wavelengths? | 08:22 |
| kanzure | iirc there was a paper published and then the researchers fucked off? | 08:23 |
| FourFire | so, what. there's noone going around staring oddly at objects which give off infrared? | 08:25 |
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| ParahSailin | so for future reference, the "correct" thing to do with the oauth2 state parameter is to set the client cookie with the state string as a key, and then check that the connection finishing the auth has that key set | 10:52 |
| ParahSailin | still dont quite understand the particular attack vector that is defending against | 10:52 |
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| kanzure | well, there are certain restrictions about reading cookies | 10:54 |
| kanzure | so an attacker wouldn't have the cookie if he is trying to do that other connection | 10:54 |
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| drazak_ | any R experts in here? | 11:10 |
| kanzure | don't ask to ask | 11:12 |
| ParahSailin | #lesswrong is full of R people | 11:12 |
| drazak_ | I don't have a particularly succient question | 11:12 |
| drazak_ | I was hoping to find someone to open a dialogue with | 11:12 |
| drazak_ | had I had a specific question to start I would lead with it | 11:12 |
| ParahSailin | lesswrong people like stats | 11:12 |
| drazak_ | I hate stats | 11:13 |
| ParahSailin | presumably you are using R for stats | 11:13 |
| drazak_ | indeed, attempting to hel someone with their statistics project | 11:13 |
| kanzure | what is the dialog that you are wishing to initiate | 11:14 |
| kanzure | how is that not the same thing as a question | 11:14 |
| drazak_ | "if this is returning this not-specific error, what am I doing wrong, here's my code" "using knitr what's the best way to display this type of gene expression data" ... etc | 11:15 |
| drazak_ | but I don't have it infront of me, so I was hopin to find someone available for a few hours around 6:15 EST | 11:15 |
| ParahSailin | best chance is gwern because he doesnt seem to do anything else | 11:16 |
| drazak_ | seems fair | 11:16 |
| kanzure | i think gwern's idea of a nootropic is anything that makes him blog more | 11:16 |
| cpopell | I've met the dude, once. he's cool. | 11:16 |
| ParahSailin | nicotine increased sentence length in blog posts by 20.0333% | 11:17 |
| kanzure | subject unresponsive to schizophrenic threatening | 11:17 |
| kanzure | guess that's not true | 11:17 |
| drazak_ | lol | 11:18 |
| kanzure | (since he posted about it) | 11:18 |
| kanzure | (which is a response) | 11:18 |
| ParahSailin | gene expression data? | 11:19 |
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| cthulu | and the nsa takes everyones gene expression data and coorelates it with all the other information theyve gathered | 11:21 |
| kanzure | um? | 11:22 |
| cthulu | suddenly psychograpic profileing | 11:22 |
| kanzure | what provoked this | 11:22 |
| cthulu | ParahSailin> gene expression data? | 11:22 |
| kanzure | get the fuck out | 11:22 |
| cthulu | lol | 11:22 |
| cthulu | theyve been working on it for years | 11:23 |
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| cpopell | Wat | 11:23 |
| @kanzure | i don't care | 11:23 |
| cpopell | The NSA doesn't give a shit about your psychographic profiling | 11:23 |
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| @kanzure | "gene expression data, therefore nsa" is a terrible reason to give me | 11:24 |
| @kanzure | probably intentionally bad | 11:24 |
| drazak_ | lol | 11:24 |
| drazak_ | people creating non-sequitors = persona non grata | 11:24 |
| @kanzure | maybe, it depends | 11:25 |
| @kanzure | one of the factors it depends on is how you explain yourself | 11:25 |
| drazak_ | heh | 11:26 |
| ParahSailin | non sequitur and not funny = noise | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | i wouldn't say it's just a non-sequitor either, but i'm lacking a word to identify that behavior | 11:27 |
| ParahSailin | monomania? | 11:27 |
| @kanzure | yes, but i wouldn't kick you if you happened to really like petri dishes and nothing else, i think | 11:28 |
| @kanzure | i would probably kick you if you tried to associate any sentence with petri dishes, though | 11:28 |
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| ParahSailin | nmz787: shame on you, telling him to do weird things instead of using qiagen gel extraction kit | 13:57 |
| @kanzure | it is hilarious to hear jojack talking about "incestuous VC" | 13:58 |
| @kanzure | (been on the phone with him for an hour) | 13:58 |
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| @kanzure | http://jetpress.org/v19/jackson.htm | 14:08 |
| ParahSailin | no philosophy | 14:10 |
| ParahSailin | i always forget the scoping of closures in python is strange and unpredictable compared to javascript | 14:12 |
| @kanzure | example? | 14:12 |
| ParahSailin | def derp() { bla = None; def derp2() {bla = "NotNone"}; derp2(); return bla} | 14:13 |
| @kanzure | strings are immutable, so you're creating a new string and assigning it to a a variable called bla in the derp2 scope | 14:14 |
| @kanzure | oh, bla wasn't a string originally | 14:15 |
| @kanzure | nope, still conforms to my expectations | 14:15 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: closures in python are only allowed to read from outer scope, not write | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | tbh i don't know whether the global keyword in python can be used to refer to only the local outer scope and not the global global scope | 14:16 |
| @kanzure | did you run into a situation where you were trying to override the outer scope's definitions and if so what is the situation | 14:17 |
| ParahSailin | whereas (function() {var bla = null; var derp = function(){bla = "notnull"}; derp(); return bla})() | 14:18 |
| ParahSailin | yields the sane behavior | 14:18 |
| ParahSailin | there are lots of times where i would want the closure to mutate a value it has scope to | 14:20 |
| @kanzure | ah his true motives "I want to be the most beneficent, wisest, holiest, person alive" | 14:20 |
| @kanzure | as far as philosophy goes his article is not total shit | 14:20 |
| ParahSailin | like whats the point of closures at all if you dont get to use the local scope you create it in | 14:22 |
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| @kanzure | http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763 | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | so he just detected scigen stuff i guess, and then looked at a bunch of papers. | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | http://scigendetection.imag.fr/main.php | 18:03 |
| @kanzure | "Labbé is no stranger to fake studies. In April 2010, he used SCIgen to generate 102 fake papers by a fictional author called Ike Antkare [see pdf]. Labbé showed how easy it was to add these fake papers to the Google Scholar database, boosting Ike Antkare’s h-index, a measure of published output, to 94 — at the time, making Antkare the world's 21st most highly cited scientis" | 18:04 |
| @kanzure | aha so it was this guy. damn i knew someone did it. | 18:04 |
| @kanzure | "Last year, researchers at the University of Granada, Spain, added to Labbé’s work, boosting their own citation scores in Google Scholar by uploading six fake papers with long lists to their own previous work2." | 18:05 |
| @kanzure | paperbot: http://hal.inria.fr/docs/00/71/35/64/PDF/TechReportV2.pdf | 18:06 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1c521e4247bf6f0f148e3c6d76959d36.pdf | 18:07 |
| @kanzure | http://membres-liglab.imag.fr/labbe/Publi/IkeAntkare/Ike_AntKare_index.html | 18:07 |
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| ParahSailin | damn, why doesn't itertools have concatMap/bind? | 18:13 |
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| Lemminkainen | paperbot http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v45/n10/full/ng.2775.html | 18:18 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fng.2775 | 18:18 |
| ParahSailin | right, i guess itertools.chain composed with itertools.imap would work | 18:20 |
| @kanzure | ParahSailin: consider using https://github.com/kachayev/fn.py | 18:25 |
| ParahSailin | now all i need is algebraic data types and im set | 18:31 |
| @kanzure | pyskell might be an abomination | 18:31 |
| ParahSailin | i guarantee you this fn.py was written to spite a boss who told him he had to write it in python so that he is easier to replace; now he is punishing his boss with hideously unidiomatic python | 18:35 |
| @kanzure | yes | 18:36 |
| @kanzure | that's actually the context from which i know this library | 18:36 |
| @kanzure | someone was trying to sneak it in as a dependency | 18:36 |
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| ParahSailin | i saw something really evil the other day, someone actually did make ADTs for python in something called macropy | 18:38 |
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| nmz787 | ParahSailin: well I've done it before, knew it would work for sure, potentially a bit gentler than a spin-column | 20:43 |
| ParahSailin | whats ungentle about a spin column | 20:44 |
| nmz787 | Gs I guess is all | 20:52 |
| nmz787 | physical ... shear? | 20:52 |
| justanotheruser | MtGox is dead. RIP | 20:52 |
| ParahSailin | its high force sure, but the liquid doesnt flow all that fast through the column | 20:54 |
| nmz787 | well there ya go, it would be a 'bit gentler' | 20:54 |
| nmz787 | and it is the kind of answer that comes to mind, in addition to spin columns, so I put it out there for completeness | 20:55 |
| nmz787 | (though I didn't mention spin columns as I didn't know for sure if they made Mb specific protocols with them, just had never looked for that) | 20:56 |
| gradstudentbot | I am busy researching. | 20:57 |
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