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| jrayhawk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpJxzswUDD0 more Williams stuff | 01:34 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm | 13:09 |
| yoleaux | HM Revenue & Customs: Revenue & Customs Brief 09/14 | 13:09 |
| kanzure | bitcoin tax rules for uk | 13:09 |
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| pete4242 | Why do you say so? | 14:29 |
| kanzure | who what? | 14:30 |
| pete4242 | that bitcoin tax rules in UK. | 14:30 |
| pete4242 | oh wait. | 14:30 |
| pete4242 | you weren't say 'it rules' | 14:30 |
| kanzure | correct | 14:32 |
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| pete4242 | How's life? Are you making good progress? | 14:33 |
| kanzure | uh? | 14:37 |
| pete4242 | You're back to grunting? It seems like you've gone backwards! | 14:39 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/16871774/reload=0;jsessionid=mg0vqkLKtP91a9xTUg5z.10 | 15:09 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/54229d0ff1d93cdb0689580ef74c3a32.txt | 15:09 |
| delinquentme | paperbot, http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/16871774 | 15:10 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c6dd8310e6f31efa39335c9064cddf31.txt | 15:10 |
| kanzure | pete4242: who are you? | 15:10 |
| pete4242 | Nobody special. | 15:10 |
| delinquentme | paperbot, http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/16871774 | 15:20 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/976be73e408f48b4c846fa69409c6666.txt | 15:21 |
| FourFire | pete4242, so, how did your plans pan out? | 15:23 |
| pete4242 | they still panning. You? | 15:23 |
| FourFire | did you score from the get go, or did you drop the pasta on the floor? | 15:23 |
| FourFire | Me, I have sent mine in motion, but still awaiting return signals | 15:24 |
| pete4242 | I don't understand the question. | 15:24 |
| FourFire | did you score, or did you drop pasta on the floor? | 15:25 |
| FourFire | ... | 15:25 |
| * pete4242 stares blankly | 15:25 | |
| FourFire | pasta on the floor || score | 15:26 |
| FourFire | I'm pinging, but there's no echo..? | 15:26 |
| pete4242 | You need help. | 15:27 |
| FourFire | I guess the latency is too high | 15:27 |
| pete4242 | try shouting into /dev/null | 15:27 |
| pete4242 | I think I'll get some merino sheep | 15:29 |
| FourFire | oh yeah, good them, very flammable | 15:29 |
| pete4242 | they are!? | 15:29 |
| pete4242 | How does their wool have anti-bacterial properties? | 15:29 |
| FourFire | Oils, secreted by their skin | 15:30 |
| FourFire | also why they are flammable | 15:30 |
| pete4242 | Can the oil be synthesised? | 15:30 |
| FourFire | the oil gets all stuck in the wool, and sort of crystallizes with | 15:31 |
| FourFire | I suppose it could, in theory, but then standard honey has antibacterial properties too | 15:31 |
| pete4242 | I can't tell when biologists are pulling my legs or no | 15:32 |
| pete4242 | Is there a honey that doesn't attract insects? | 15:32 |
| pete4242 | So I don't have to wash my clothes | 15:32 |
| pete4242 | And will my merino jumper run out of oil? Does it get used up, or what? | 15:33 |
| pete4242 | Would rubbing up against sheep replenish it? | 15:33 |
| FourFire | oh, ehh wash your clothes | 15:35 |
| FourFire | you get dirt and shed skin and other disgusting things caught between the fibers | 15:35 |
| pete4242 | but I don't wanna. | 15:36 |
| FourFire | so even if you had a full wardrobe of clothing which was self repairing and fluidphobic | 15:36 |
| FourFire | it would still get dirty | 15:36 |
| FourFire | and/or smell | 15:36 |
| pete4242 | but my merino jumper doesn't, and I didn't ever wash it. Maybe it has nanobots | 15:37 |
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| pete4242 | it smells of sheep. but clean sheep. | 15:38 |
| pete4242 | and sheep don't wash. So why should I | 15:39 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.google.com/search?tbm=vid&q=neverwet | 15:41 |
| pete4242 | hehe | 15:42 |
| nmz787_ | just wear vinyl clothes | 15:43 |
| nmz787_ | no fibers, no problems | 15:43 |
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| pete4242 | but then the sweat can't get out. | 15:45 |
| nmz787_ | can't have it all | 15:45 |
| nmz787_ | try some proton exchange membrane? | 15:45 |
| pete4242 | that's not the slogan of a transhumanist! | 15:45 |
| nmz787_ | I think goretex is a fiber product too | 15:46 |
| nmz787_ | well the pores will potentially get clogged | 15:46 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/129.pdf | 15:46 |
| nmz787_ | you should just stop wearing clothes if you don't want to wash them | 15:46 |
| kanzure | .title | 15:46 |
| pete4242 | Sheep have the answer. | 15:46 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed. | 15:46 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c130c44e6e4a2a4077abdab9e56a26bb.pdf | 15:46 |
| nmz787_ | then your skin is your cloth | 15:46 |
| nmz787_ | sheep are gross | 15:46 |
| nmz787_ | have you hung out with one lately? | 15:46 |
| nmz787_ | (i have) | 15:46 |
| pete4242 | I'll be too cold without clothes. | 15:46 |
| nmz787_ | there's your transhumanism problem | 15:47 |
| pete4242 | Yes. They're nice if you keep them clean. You prob hung out with a dirty one. | 15:47 |
| nmz787_ | i hung out with the normal farm kind, where they take care of themselves | 15:47 |
| nmz787_ | washing isn't in their evolutionary history | 15:47 |
| pete4242 | I'd like to see YOU take care of yourself on a farm | 15:47 |
| nmz787_ | come and hang out then, I volunteer on one weekly, generally | 15:48 |
| pete4242 | And you don't smell? | 15:48 |
| nmz787_ | no, because I don't have a problem with showering or washing my clothes | 15:48 |
| pete4242 | farms don't have showers | 15:49 |
| jrayhawk | haha | 15:49 |
| nmz787_ | sure they do | 15:49 |
| pete4242 | Well why don't the sheep use them? | 15:49 |
| nmz787_ | 15:47 < nmz787_> washing isn't in their evolutionary history | 15:49 |
| jrayhawk | bathing is actually pretty rare outside humans and pigs | 15:50 |
| jrayhawk | among mammals, that is. | 15:50 |
| nmz787_ | well, do pigs bathe or wallow | 15:50 |
| pete4242 | so it soap. | 15:50 |
| pete4242 | is* | 15:50 |
| nmz787_ | saponins exist in nature | 15:50 |
| nmz787_ | plant soap | 15:50 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: how do you explain mud baths by hippos and elephants | 15:51 |
| nmz787_ | i was thinking that that is more for keeping wet | 15:52 |
| nmz787_ | vs cleansing | 15:52 |
| jrayhawk | that's... not quite what i had in mind, but i guess i should've been more specific | 15:52 |
| nmz787_ | cause then you could extend that to any land animal that swims once in a while | 15:52 |
| nmz787_ | polar bears | 15:52 |
| nmz787_ | water buffaloe | 15:52 |
| pete4242 | It depends on their reason for going in the pool then. | 15:52 |
| kanzure | i mentioned hippos only because of the mud baths not because of their swimming adventures | 15:52 |
| kanzure | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-T2BIo7CDHKg/TzNLv90Oy7I/AAAAAAAAAkQ/JAaHuppinT4/s640/hippo.jpg | 15:53 |
| pete4242 | So that's what a hippo looks like. | 15:54 |
| FourFire | "you should just stop wearing clothes if you don't want to wash them" your skin is nanotech | 15:54 |
| pete4242 | right. So what I need is thicker skin? How? | 15:54 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.google.com/search?tbm=vid&q=wim+hoff | 15:55 |
| jrayhawk | thicker skin is not necessary, just more brown adipose tissue | 15:55 |
| pete4242 | But nature shows it's no substitute for fur, I guess | 15:56 |
| kanzure | strange, i thought hippos were larger | 15:56 |
| nmz787_ | i think arsenic causes skin thickening | 15:56 |
| nmz787_ | yes, arsenic "Non-cancer effects can include thickening and discoloration of the skin" | 15:57 |
| jrayhawk | whales and adult seals lack much in the way of fur | 15:57 |
| pete4242 | there's a possibility that a runaway acceleration of personal fabric technology could ignite an early hard-takeoff singularity | 15:58 |
| pete4242 | but I don't want to live under water. | 15:58 |
| jrayhawk | good, then you can go with the wim hoff approach instead | 15:59 |
| kanzure | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1881346585/protocolsio-life-sciences-protocol-repository | 15:59 |
| pete4242 | he's just using pain blockers. | 15:59 |
| kanzure | http://www.protocols.io/ | 15:59 |
| FourFire | pete4242, or you could use colloidal silver like this guy: http://www.gold2live.com/blue-karason.jpg | 15:59 |
| jrayhawk | pain blockers...? | 15:59 |
| kanzure | i wonder what data set they are starting with | 15:59 |
| FourFire | http://www.davidbarrkirtley.com/images/blueman.jpg | 16:00 |
| pete4242 | why is he blue? | 16:00 |
| FourFire | http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38297000/jpg/_38297733_blue_300_ap.jpg | 16:00 |
| FourFire | http://itthing.com/wp-content/uploads/pre_dermabrasion_half.jpg | 16:00 |
| pete4242 | Do these people not smell or get cold? | 16:01 |
| jrayhawk | by what mechanism would pain blockers prolong thermogenesis? | 16:01 |
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| pete4242 | none. It's just that he won't notice | 16:02 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, see, that would be meaningful were it not for the core temperature measurements demonstrating he can pull off thermogenic offset of icewater submersion for over 20 minutes. | 16:03 |
| pete4242 | the point is not just to survive. The point is to be comfortable. | 16:03 |
| jrayhawk | He describes being perfectly comfortable. | 16:03 |
| pete4242 | drugs | 16:03 |
| kanzure | dnautics has been drying for lyft. heh. | 16:03 |
| kanzure | evidence, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7336024 | 16:03 |
| jrayhawk | And I've had similar experience with cold thermogenesis experiments. | 16:03 |
| pete4242 | hmm | 16:04 |
| jrayhawk | On the occasions I've actually had the wherewithall to actually engage in thermogenic training. | 16:04 |
| jrayhawk | I should get back to that. That was amazing for cortisol clearance. | 16:04 |
| pete4242 | what takes away your wherewithall? | 16:04 |
| FourFire | basically there's this kind of medication containing silver | 16:04 |
| FourFire | and it turns your skin blue if you consume it over a long period of tiem | 16:05 |
| FourFire | permanently | 16:05 |
| nmz787_ | I was quite impressed with your cold weather resistance at the hot springs last winter | 16:05 |
| jrayhawk | There are occasions where I really don't want immune system suppression, such as post-exercise or acute illness, so I tend to drop it and forget to take it back up. | 16:06 |
| FourFire | it wouldn't actually help with your tempeature problem | 16:06 |
| nmz787_ | but then you had that 'internal heater problem' | 16:06 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, the Raynaud's is weird. | 16:06 |
| jrayhawk | Raynaud's I only really get when wearing clothes, and it's been with me since before doing any BAT training. | 16:08 |
| pete4242 | have you tried merino wool? | 16:08 |
| jrayhawk | What would the advantage be? | 16:09 |
| pete4242 | it smells nice. | 16:09 |
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| nmz787_ | i thought merino wool was just smoother | 16:12 |
| jrayhawk | I generally like to avoid covering up my own scent. | 16:12 |
| pete4242 | keratin fibers are hydrophobic at one end and hydrophilic at the other | 16:13 |
| jrayhawk | like if i smell bad it is either because dermal excretions have gotten old and need to be washed off or because there is some physiological stress that I should probably take care of. | 16:19 |
| pete4242 | I'd still like to understand "your willingness to lose yourself in them is just as threatening as your willingness to let them lose themselves in you." | 16:21 |
| jrayhawk | People with strong self-conception (i.e. ego) are not likely to divest from their goals/motivations/value systems and generally able to interact with other people with strong self-conception in order to identify mutually beneficial action based upon independent motivations/goals/value systems. | 16:29 |
| pete4242 | so losing yourself means you have no ego? | 16:30 |
| jrayhawk | By contrast, people with weak self-conception are typically easily divested from their goals/motivations/value systems and are simultaneously deeply threatened by the mere existence of independent motivations/goals/value systems. | 16:30 |
| jrayhawk | Yes. | 16:30 |
| pete4242 | Do you think ego is always bad? | 16:31 |
| jrayhawk | No? | 16:31 |
| pete4242 | better to be flexible | 16:31 |
| pete4242 | How can ego be good? | 16:32 |
| jrayhawk | How can self-conception be good? | 16:32 |
| pete4242 | goals are good. | 16:32 |
| jrayhawk | By giving some degree of rational oversight over your instincts and allowing a degree of continuity/permanence. | 16:33 |
| jrayhawk | A goal is only as good as how well it can be persued; people with a weak self-conception are easily divested from goals. | 16:33 |
| pete4242 | It's good to lose yourself, I think. As long as it's not permanent. | 16:34 |
| pete4242 | Then you have a choice | 16:34 |
| jrayhawk | Naively maintaining open choices decreases your opportunities in life. | 16:36 |
| jrayhawk | "If I never actualize anything, I am infinitely powerful!" | 16:36 |
| pete4242 | Sounds like Spencer. hah | 16:36 |
| pete4242 | but how do open choices cost you? Not doing anything costs you, of course. | 16:37 |
| jrayhawk | By increasing the valuation of the concept of open choice, there is an associated increased valuation of doing nothing. | 16:39 |
| jrayhawk | So, for instance, in a logical extreme, if I were to give you the opportunity to lose all future choices but to perfectly serve what portions of whatever value system you have tomorrow that do not include the valuation of choice, would you take it? | 16:40 |
| jrayhawk | And the answer is typically "no, my value system might change" | 16:41 |
| pete4242 | and why do people fear 'interpersonal takeover'? Isn't changing your mind a good thing? | 16:41 |
| kanzure | huh... http://serverspec.org/ "rspec tests for servers configured by chef/puppet" | 16:42 |
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| jrayhawk | So, consider a further model under which such an offer is for fractions of your life. | 16:43 |
| dingo | thats nice kanzure | 16:43 |
| dingo | chef cookbooks need integration tests, that would be a good frameworke for them | 16:43 |
| jrayhawk | How small does the fraction have to be (e.g. how many choice intervals do you need) before it starts sounding like a reasonable deal? | 16:43 |
| jrayhawk | This is basically analagous to how specialization/expertise/careers work. | 16:44 |
| jrayhawk | If e.g. Nelson Mandela had a weak self-conception, would he consistently struggled for decades for the same goal? | 16:45 |
| pete4242 | but you can have both | 16:47 |
| pete4242 | Just pretend to be them, then snap out of it | 16:48 |
| jrayhawk | But, fundamentally, achieving things involves some degree of investment. | 16:49 |
| pete4242 | so? | 16:49 |
| jrayhawk | Investment is an actualization of choice. The longer and deeper the investment, the less room for choice. | 16:49 |
| pete4242 | no! | 16:50 |
| pete4242 | sunk costs fallacy? | 16:50 |
| jrayhawk | In the sense that you can always choose not to achieve things. | 16:51 |
| jrayhawk | Obviously sometimes failure happens anyway. | 16:51 |
| pete4242 | If you're wrong, you should want to know as soon as possible | 16:51 |
| jrayhawk | Typically failures are just an investment in education. | 16:51 |
| pete4242 | no matter how deep you are | 16:52 |
| pete4242 | I guess people prefer to be delusional rather than admit they made bad investments. | 16:53 |
| kanzure | dingo: i stumbled into that while looking at http://orchardup.github.io/fig/ | 17:12 |
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| kanzure | juri_: do you know things about this http://www.healthit.gov/sites/default/files/directbasicstoc_webinar_2013_02_19.pdf | 18:22 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: you will also find that document funny | 18:22 |
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| jrayhawk | that is a lot of words that could be reduced to "use of smime is required" | 19:00 |
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| jrayhawk | SMTP is also pretty dubious; inability to sanely deal with large files means inevitably people will be working around its required use | 19:02 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: it's not SMTP but a bastardization of SMTP | 19:39 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: so literally worse | 19:39 |
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| kanzure | https://developers.google.com/genomics/ | 21:08 |
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| curt1s | nice one kanzure | 21:19 |
| cluckj | dear god google is getting into our dna now | 21:24 |
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| juri_ | kanzure: what's funny about it? | 22:41 |
| juri_ | this is modern standards. we've been working on MU2 for OpenEMR. | 22:43 |
| juri_ | pretty standard stuff. | 22:43 |
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