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| eudoxia | alan grimes is just paranoid some posthuman is gonna try to forcefully upload him | 06:03 |
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| eudoxia | he's been ranting about this for 15 years | 06:03 |
| eudoxia | but i didn't know he'd written a paper about it | 06:04 |
| kanzure | archels: don't drop him a line, wtf | 06:05 |
| kanzure | archels: AlonzoTG was hard enough to get out of here the first time, don't invite him back | 06:05 |
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| kyknos | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22856278 | 07:35 |
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| eudoxia | paperbot http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/11575801_19.pdf | 07:36 |
| paperbot | ConnectionError: HTTPConnectionPool(host='link.springer.com.sci-hub.org', port=80): Max retries exceeded with url: //content/pdf/10.1007/11575801_19.pdf (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 628, in send) | 07:37 |
| eudoxia | hm | 07:37 |
| eudoxia | paperbot http://apps.isiknowledge.com.libproxy.unm.edu/full_record.do?product=WOS&colname=WOS&search_mode=RelatedRecords&qid=1024&SID=1BFE94Ekeg2KHDJkJJ8&page=2&doc=13 | 07:38 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/de16e6325ac9ab99622480f7a4e0b304.txt | 07:38 |
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| kanzure | libproxy.unm.edu wont work | 07:38 |
| kanzure | through paperbot | 07:39 |
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| kyknos | paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22856278 | 07:41 |
| eudoxia | what a shame | 07:41 |
| eudoxia | well i'll just roll my own duplicate detector | 07:42 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: what's wrong with apt-get on gnusha? :\ i was trying to get xsltproc but i'm encountering errors with "apt-get update" related to public keys. | 08:33 |
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| cluckj | paperbot http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/cr068123a | 08:56 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c7f2e7a11e785a36861de376b15fd8c3.pdf | 08:56 |
| cluckj | sweet | 08:57 |
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| eudoxia | http://www.aleph.se/papers/Monte%20Carlo%20model%20of%20brain%20emulation%20development.pdf | 09:08 |
| eudoxia | >Plotting the cumulative probability gives 50% chance for WBE (if it ever arrives) before 2059, with the 25% percentile in 2047 and the 75% percentile in 2074. WBE before 2030 looks very unlikely and only 10% likely before 2040. | 09:08 |
| kanzure | depends on what your definition of "whole" is | 09:10 |
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| jrayhawk | kanzure: you'll need to apt-get install debian-archive-keyring every once in a while | 09:41 |
| kanzure | doh | 09:41 |
| kanzure | thank you | 09:41 |
| kanzure | "The following extra packages will be installed: libc6" | 09:42 |
| jrayhawk | I think you're on a 32-bit userspace and it's probable I installed libc6-i686 instead at some point. | 09:42 |
| kanzure | should i avoid installing libc6? | 09:43 |
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| jrayhawk | in theory it should be Provided by libc6-i686, but it's not a big deal either way. | 09:49 |
| kanzure | hmm now it wants to restart basically everything :| | 09:51 |
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| Nerio | http://i.imgur.com/uXo6APY.jpg | 10:06 |
| Nerio | replaced this today | 10:06 |
| Nerio | its install date was 1909 | 10:06 |
| jrayhawk | ALL WILL FLEE BEFORE THE MIGHT OF FUSETRON | 10:07 |
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| kanzure | how is sshd restarted without impacting existing connections? | 10:19 |
| jrayhawk | I'd always assumed it was cleverly passing file descriptors around, but I've never really looked into it. | 10:22 |
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| Zhwazi | I thought it forked a new process to handle each incoming connection | 11:42 |
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| ParahSailin | Zhwazi: hm confirmed | 11:45 |
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| kyknos | paperbot www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09593330.2011.610827?journalCode=tent20#.UyIIQU1IwZk | 12:35 |
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| streety | Does anyone understand how http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/healbe-gobe-the-only-way-to-automatically-measure-calorie-intake can measure glucose? The blood pressure claim is also dubious but it's the glucose I really don't follow | 15:29 |
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| chris_99 | haven't looked at it, but there a lots of cheap glucose meters you can buy, but iirc you need to take a small blood sample | 15:32 |
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| streety | yeah a glucose reading from a drop of blood is no issue. The claim is measuring glucose through the skin by impedance | 15:36 |
| streety | you can also get continuous measurements using a sensor inserted under the skin. I'm just not sure about the accuracy of a system that doesn't have that level of access | 15:38 |
| cluckj | I'd say it's bogus | 15:40 |
| cluckj | the amount of glucose in cells doesn't have much to do with how much you eat or expend calories | 15:40 |
| cluckj | in normal bodies the level of glucose stays about the same all the time | 15:41 |
| cluckj | there's some research into non-intrusive (i.e. doesn't break the skin) glucose monitoring, and it relies on some pretty weird science that has nothing to do with impedance | 15:42 |
| cluckj | http://www.diabetesmonitor.com/glucose-meters/what-happened-to-the-glucowatch.htm | 15:47 |
| streety | Yeah, the calorie intake part is nonsense. At best it might tell you when you have eaten and the glycemic load of those meals. I was more interested in the measurement of glucose. I think I have previously seen some of that research. Utilizing the rotation of polarized light if I remember correctly | 15:47 |
| cluckj | yeah | 15:48 |
| cluckj | I think that at best it might tell you when you've eaten...not how much or anything useful | 15:49 |
| streety | There seems to be an increasing number of these devices making increasingly dubious claims | 15:49 |
| cluckj | the polarized light thing kind of works | 15:51 |
| cluckj | I was looking at their info and you have to 'prepare' the sensor site by scraping a bunch of skin off | 15:51 |
| cluckj | then it works pretty well under extremely controlled conditions for a little while | 15:52 |
| streety | are there other techniques you know about? That's really the only one I've come across | 15:53 |
| kanzure | i wonder if anyone has rigged up something for saliva expression | 15:54 |
| kanzure | hrm "Gene silencing in mosquito salivary glands by RNAi" | 15:54 |
| kanzure | no.. "Transformation of an oral bacterium via chromosomal integration of free DNA in the presence of human saliva" | 15:55 |
| kanzure | not quite "Robust salivary gland‐specific transgene expression in Anopheles stephensi mosquito" | 15:55 |
| kanzure | wrong gland "GFP expression in the mammary gland for imaging of mammary tumor cells in transgenic mice" | 15:55 |
| kanzure | welp i'm confused. i thought there would be some biomarker from the bloodstream that gets dumped into saliva output. | 15:56 |
| cluckj | lol | 15:56 |
| cluckj | there's the transdermal GOx stuff that's pretty common (I have one inside me right now), the IR stuff, there's experiments with immunofluorescent dyes, the creepy 'pull glucose through your skin' watch | 15:58 |
| kanzure | that oral bacterium one is pretty cool: "These findings are discussed in relation to the potential for acquisition of DNA sequences, including genetically modified DNA, by gut and oral bacteria." | 15:58 |
| kanzure | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11425469 | 15:58 |
| cluckj | saliva, eye juice | 15:58 |
| kanzure | there's one for saliva? | 15:58 |
| cluckj | I think so | 15:59 |
| kanzure | problem solved? | 15:59 |
| cluckj | it probably sucks because people have to like...eat | 15:59 |
| kanzure | i could imagine a snap-on tooth cap that you could bust out of your mouth | 15:59 |
| cluckj | http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120823143745.htm | 15:59 |
| kanzure | or just use a poorly fitted retainer | 15:59 |
| cluckj | lol | 15:59 |
| streety | thanks cluckj | 16:06 |
| cluckj | no problem | 16:06 |
| cluckj | all those glucose monitoring systems need calibration with a blood sample a few times per day to keep them accurate | 16:07 |
| cluckj | that's why the impedance once seems like such snake oil :) | 16:07 |
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| kanzure | http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/ | 17:17 |
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| streety | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00441-014-1810-3 | 17:46 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Experimental%20tools%20to%20monitor%20the%20dynamics%20of%20endothelial%20barrier%20function%3A%20a%20survey%20of%20in%20vitro%20approaches.pdf | 17:47 |
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| streety | Awesome. I really shouldn't need paperbot, but it is so incredibly convenient | 17:53 |
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| kanzure | streety: don't you have access anyway? :) | 17:55 |
| streety | yeah, even from home access should be trivial. I'm using the wrong link for the proxy or some other issue and paperbot is right here seducing me with it's beautiful interface | 17:57 |
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| kanzure | "do one thing well" (5% of the time) | 18:10 |
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| kanzure | huh my wikipedia user id is 95883 | 18:17 |
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| streety | is that significant? | 18:25 |
| kanzure | to be honest i'm no tsure | 18:25 |
| kanzure | *not sure | 18:25 |
| Adifex | how do you find that out, kanzure? | 18:25 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Export User:Xyz | 18:26 |
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| kanzure | cluckj: do you know chris kelty? | 20:56 |
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| cluckj | yeah, we met a couple times | 21:40 |
| cluckj | he was on my friends' dissertation committee | 21:40 |
| cluckj | why? | 21:40 |
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| kanzure | cluckj: just want the inside scoop on him | 21:51 |
| kanzure | cluckj: i've run into him often but in weird ways | 21:51 |
| cluckj | oh? | 21:52 |
| kanzure | i used to know him because of transhumanism reasons but then he got into diybio | 21:52 |
| cluckj | yeah | 21:52 |
| kanzure | i don't recall disagreeing with him about anything ever, which is unusual | 21:53 |
| cluckj | I don't know what happened to him and diy bio stuff...I haven't seen/heard anything out of him | 21:53 |
| cluckj | haha | 21:53 |
| cluckj | he's a good anthropologist :) | 21:53 |
| cluckj | I think he put out an article about the biohacker conference he put together | 21:58 |
| kanzure | i bcc'd you on an email i just sent to him | 22:01 |
| cluckj | okay | 22:01 |
| cluckj | is that a new article of his? | 22:02 |
| kanzure | turns out it is an older one.. 2005 | 22:03 |
| cluckj | oh wow | 22:03 |
| cluckj | before his book | 22:03 |
| kanzure | yeah | 22:03 |
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| cluckj | he seems like a good dude, my friend liked working with him | 22:05 |
| cluckj | and his book is excellent | 22:06 |
| kanzure | agreed, but sometimes i wonder if he just wrote it to pander to me | 22:07 |
| kanzure | using quotes from eugen leitl? come on, i have to be like the only person on earth that likes eleitl. | 22:08 |
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| cluckj | lol | 22:09 |
| cluckj | I tried working through his idea of recursive publics with regard to diy bio but the stuff isn't there, yet | 22:10 |
| cluckj | I've seen some things happening at genspace that might fit if given some time | 22:10 |
| kanzure | recursive publics is closer to kk's idea of genetic information of civilization in libraries | 22:10 |
| kanzure | and something about replicating libraries of tools or something | 22:11 |
| cluckj | kk? | 22:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2011/04/the_library_of.php | 22:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2007/03/bootstrapping_t.php | 22:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/03/civilizations_a.php | 22:11 |
| cluckj | oh | 22:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/02/the_forever_boo.php | 22:11 |
| kanzure | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2009/02/amish_hackers_a.php | 22:11 |
| kanzure | that stuff. | 22:11 |
| cluckj | okay | 22:11 |
| cluckj | yeah | 22:12 |
| cluckj | it's also about replicating the social and political contents of the spaces that created them | 22:12 |
| kanzure | nobody infected me i'm pretty sure my knowledge is entirely the result of brain damage and reading too many emails | 22:13 |
| cluckj | infected? | 22:13 |
| kanzure | (okay maybe not true.. hard to say.) | 22:13 |
| cluckj | you do enough F/OSS stuff to be at least a carrier for it :P | 22:14 |
| kanzure | eh nevermind, i don't have a good comment on "replicating the social content" | 22:14 |
| cluckj | lol | 22:14 |
| cluckj | well, it's like when someone uses a f/oss tool they're enrolled in its upkeep | 22:15 |
| kanzure | if programmer culture was the zombie plague then i would expect to see very different growth curves | 22:15 |
| cluckj | and participate in the community, even if its submitting crash reports or something | 22:16 |
| kanzure | do you know the history of how visa came to be? | 22:16 |
| cluckj | the credit card? | 22:16 |
| kanzure | http://www.fastcompany.com/27333/trillion-dollar-vision-dee-hock | 22:16 |
| kanzure | bitcoin matches a lot of those organizational ideals in that article | 22:17 |
| kanzure | and has a much stronger growth rate than the hypothetical programmer zombie plague (it's an actual zombie plague) | 22:17 |
| cluckj | so that's why you're dumping your cryptocurrency? :P | 22:18 |
| kanzure | aligning incentives | 22:19 |
| cluckj | hah | 22:19 |
| kanzure | if you guys all die i'm fucking doomed (at least more than i might already be) | 22:20 |
| cluckj | trying to be patient zero, or at least typhoid mary | 22:20 |
| kanzure | "was forcibly isolated twice by public health authorities and died after a total of nearly three decades in isolation." | 22:21 |
| kanzure | wtf is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary | 22:21 |
| cluckj | hahahahaha | 22:22 |
| cluckj | okay bad metaphor | 22:22 |
| cluckj | a little aberrant | 22:22 |
| kanzure | also i've been using this in production for some backends for various applications i'm writing, | 22:24 |
| kanzure | http://www.serfdom.io/docs/internals/gossip.html | 22:24 |
| kanzure | it turns out that this is a somewhat not totally broken way of managing a cluster of services | 22:24 |
| kanzure | and is essentially infection | 22:24 |
| cluckj | looks viral | 22:25 |
| cluckj | yeah | 22:27 |
| cluckj | but that's what I mean by typhoid mary | 22:27 |
| cluckj | the more people have btc, the more will be 'invested' in it | 22:27 |
| cluckj | (which is what really matters for a currency) | 22:27 |
| kanzure | "currency" | 22:31 |
| cluckj | it's not? | 22:32 |
| kanzure | it is weird to me that everyone has very stringent definitions of currency | 22:32 |
| kanzure | no, it's just weird that, years ago, economicists were telling me "yeah, basically everything is shit" | 22:33 |
| kanzure | and now i see a reversal "nope; we suddenly have a collective understanding of economics, and bitcoin does not qualify for anything under economics at all, nope" | 22:33 |
| cluckj | lol | 22:33 |
| cluckj | that's a goofy notion | 22:33 |
| kanzure | s/everything/everything in economics | 22:33 |
| kanzure | whether or not it is a currency does not physically stop me from transferring it from my account to someone else.. so i guess i don't care. | 22:34 |
| cluckj | if people are willing to trade this set of numbers with no intrinsic value for some good and services...it's kind of a currency | 22:34 |
| cluckj | err goods | 22:34 |
| cluckj | but I am no economist | 22:34 |
| kanzure | bitcoinomist | 22:34 |
| kanzure | bitcoinonomist.. something like that. | 22:35 |
| cluckj | bitcommunists? | 22:35 |
| kanzure | 16:36 <+sbp> call d the distance from Karpeles to your code | 22:45 |
| kanzure | 16:36 <+sbp> d**e is the success of your code, where e is the base of the natural logarithm | 22:45 |
| cluckj | burn? | 22:48 |
| kanzure | his code was terrible | 22:48 |
| cluckj | wasn't mt gox for trading magic cards to start with? | 22:49 |
| kanzure | only in name, there's a convoluted history of source code | 22:50 |
| kanzure | by "history" i mean hearsay because there was never any version control | 22:50 |
| kanzure | or testing | 22:50 |
| kanzure | or employees | 22:50 |
| cluckj | hah | 22:50 |
| cluckj | goodnight | 23:02 |
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