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| justanotheruser | kanzure: did you do something with XCP at the texas conference? | 04:02 |
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| cluckj | oh nice oron catts is here today and tomorrow | 06:16 |
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| dbolser | hihi | 06:25 |
| dbolser | anyone using meta/master/ether coin? | 06:26 |
| dbolser | I'm curious if they're practical systems or not | 06:26 |
| dbolser | api/domain/comput coin etc | 06:26 |
| dbolser | anyone created an alt coin from scratch? Looking for a how to (just for fun) | 06:27 |
| FourFire | I wish coinmining would do folding@home | 06:27 |
| FourFire | or other *@home computation | 06:27 |
| dbolser | FourFire: that's the idea of compute coin I think... | 06:27 |
| dbolser | FourFire: else we can make it | 06:27 |
| FourFire | the miners have so much computation which they are just turning into heat, it's insane | 06:28 |
| dbolser | FourFire: ok, lets make it | 06:28 |
| dbolser | proof of work is reproduceability | 06:28 |
| dbolser | thinking about asic resistant cryptographic proof of work algorithms? | 06:29 |
| dbolser | isnt' there some turing generator sort of solution that can create arbitrary algorithms? | 06:29 |
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| FourFire | dbolser do it the same way they do the highscores on folding@home | 06:30 |
| FourFire | I think they give out the same work several times | 06:30 |
| FourFire | and answers which "agree" win | 06:30 |
| eudoxia | processing and verifying transactions isn't "just heat" | 06:31 |
| eudoxia | w 3 | 06:35 |
| eudoxia | ugh crap | 06:35 |
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| FourFire | probably sensationalist, but I am glad this advance has been made: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/genetics/the-worlds-first-bionic-plant-16604565?click=pm_latest | 06:46 |
| FourFire | Improving the energy manipulators of life, with nanotechnology | 06:46 |
| cluckj | that's pretty cool | 06:47 |
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| dbolser | they absorb light better... | 07:20 |
| dbolser | I can do that more cheaply... | 07:20 |
| FourFire | dbolser, cool, if you can write me the DNA sequence which will make that grow... I'll dedicate some portion of my life making photosynthetic human skin a thing | 07:23 |
| dbolser | promote over three times higher photosynthetic activity than that of controls | 07:24 |
| dbolser | ^^ that's a much stronger claim ;-) | 07:24 |
| FourFire | (and it will be a thing regardless, the only question is how long before it happens) | 07:24 |
| dbolser | FourFire: spinkle in black poweder, they'll absorb light better | 07:24 |
| FourFire | yeah, I'll need the DNA to make it grow it's own powder | 07:24 |
| FourFire | or dark pigment thingy | 07:25 |
| dbolser | sprinkling woudl be cheaper... | 07:25 |
| dbolser | anyway, the latter point wasn't made in the former article | 07:25 |
| FourFire | cheaper? | 07:25 |
| FourFire | recursive cycles of growth using protein synthesis and other cellular chemical production methods seems pretty cheap on a large enough scale | 07:26 |
| dbolser | sure, but you have to factor in RnD | 07:26 |
| FourFire | you could, hell, even make a virus which turns people into glucose producing people | 07:26 |
| FourFire | yeah, RnD is a major initial investment, but it's not a recurring cost, unless you are "upgrading" | 07:27 |
| dbolser | yu | 07:27 |
| dbolser | yup | 07:27 |
| FourFire | and the black powder needs to be inside the chlorophylls right? | 07:27 |
| dbolser | anybody eaten any criper c9? | 07:27 |
| FourFire | so it's a bit more refined than "sprinkling black powder" | 07:28 |
| dbolser | FourFire: the original article just said 'they absorb light better', which means nothing | 07:28 |
| dbolser | black powder absorbs light good | 07:28 |
| dbolser | the paper makes a much more interesting claim, it was just vague reporting that set me off | 07:28 |
| FourFire | oh right | 07:29 |
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| FourFire | I haven't read it yet | 07:29 |
| cluckj | what is the claim in the paper? | 07:29 |
| dbolser | I've only read teh abstract | 07:29 |
| dbolser | but it's much better :-) | 07:29 |
| dbolser | anyone got the pdf? | 07:31 |
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| drewbug | paperbot, http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nn3029327?journalCode=ancac3 | 08:09 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Visibly%20Transparent%20Polymer%20Solar%20Cells%20Produced%20by%20Solution%20Processing.txt | 08:10 |
| dbolser | thanks paperbot | 08:10 |
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| dbolser | oh | 08:11 |
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| kanzure | just[dead]: no, but i met an xcp person | 08:52 |
| kanzure | dbolser: i think counterparty is practical. i haven't seen the mastercoin implementation yet. ethereum is going to be a bloodbath at launch. | 08:53 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: Mastercoin is still a ways from being done. It also seems to have many pointless features IMO (can't work or are already covered by BTC) | 10:15 |
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| dbolser | kanzure: how do you mean? (bloodbath) | 10:24 |
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| dbolser | I've been reading about etherium (the white paper) and it talks about metacoin, but I'm not sure if that's the same as mastercoin | 10:24 |
| dbolser | kanzure: counterparty is basically colored coin? | 10:25 |
| dbolser | is lack of simplified proof of payment a big problem? | 10:26 |
| dbolser | (for colored coin) | 10:26 |
| eudoxia | i'd like to know too | 10:27 |
| justanotheruser | dbolser: blood bath as in (at least what I think is going to happen) DoS at the best, arbitrary code execution at the worst | 10:34 |
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| @archels | so, anyone read into this 'practopoeisis' paper yet? | 11:23 |
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| kanzure | just[dead]: nope i meant bloodbath as in, everyone is going to cry foul with how they distribute or mine ethers | 11:26 |
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| kanzure | dbolser: counterparty is technically not a colored coin (although it serves the same purpose). apparently people who say "colored coins" really mean "colored satoshis". | 11:27 |
| @archels | oh there's a blogpost http://www.danko-nikolic.com/practopoiesis/ | 11:29 |
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| @archels | "The paper ends with the Searle’s Chinese Room argument" how jolly | 11:31 |
| cluckj | lol searle | 11:34 |
| kanzure | my thoughts exactly | 11:35 |
| @archels | it all sounds pretty vague... but Nikolic works with some pretty respectable people. not sure what to think | 11:41 |
| @archels | he's on the Advisory Board of the Lifeboat Foundation too | 11:41 |
| kanzure | i'm p. sure everyone is on the board of the lifeboat foundation | 11:41 |
| kanzure | at least 3 people in this channel are | 11:41 |
| @archels | haha | 11:41 |
| kanzure | and i was offered once, but i declined or told them to go fuck a goat? i forget | 11:41 |
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| kanzure | [(status)] irssi: relocation error: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libresolv.so.2: symbol __sendmmsg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference | 12:56 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: If ethereum doesn't have major vulnerabilities within the first week (unlikely) I'm almost certain someone will take the 10 minutes to re-release it without the premine. | 13:06 |
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| kanzure | sure, agreed | 13:21 |
| kanzure | "I do have some early role models. I recall wanting to be a real-life version of the fictional "Sandor Arbitration Intelligence at the Zoo" (from Vernor Vinge's novel A Fire Upon the Deep) who in the story is known for consistently writing the clearest and most insightful posts on the Net. And then there was Hal Finney who probably came closest to an actual real-life version of Sandor at the Zoo, and Tim May who besides inspiring me with his ... | 13:21 |
| kanzure | ... vision of cryptoanarchy was also a role model for doing early retirement from the tech industry and working on his own interests/causes." | 13:21 |
| kanzure | http://lesswrong.com/lw/jgz/aalwa_ask_any_lesswronger_anything/ap3c | 13:21 |
| kanzure | "It's Chinese Pinyin romanization, so pronounced "way dye". ETA: Since Pinyin is a many to one mapping, and as a result most Chinese articles about Bitcoin put the wrong name down for me, I'll take this opportunity to mention that my name is written logographically as 戴维." | 13:22 |
| justanotheruser | What is this? | 13:23 |
| kanzure | wei dai is one of the suspects for being satoshi nakamoto | 13:23 |
| kanzure | and also his posts are pretty cool | 13:23 |
| kanzure | http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1997/04/msg00398.html | 13:23 |
| kanzure | http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1996/05/msg00980.html | 13:23 |
| kanzure | http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/10/msg00062.html | 13:24 |
| @archels | interesting grassroots movement http://www.pro-test.it/ | 13:25 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: maybe. I don't think that's very strong evidence though. He merely was a cypherpunk and some cypherpunks are bound to talk about selling CPU power, or anonymous money. | 13:26 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: yes, i certainly agree that there's a problem regarding the strengths of various pieces of evidence | 13:27 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: are you implying that together they are strong evidence? | 13:28 |
| kanzure | no i am implying that this is a problem no matter the person you're talking about | 13:28 |
| kanzure | i don't have "definitive evidence" | 13:29 |
| kanzure | and i don't want to claim that i do | 13:29 |
| kanzure | and i don't think i did | 13:29 |
| ParahSailin | bayes theorem | 13:33 |
| kanzure | use your words | 13:38 |
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| sacredhatred | word | 17:01 |
| kanzure | sup | 17:19 |
| sacredhatred | not much, printing a cable chain, waiting on chinese people.. same ole | 17:26 |
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| eudoxia | >vinge | 18:21 |
| eudoxia | >not zindell | 18:21 |
| eudoxia | oh well | 18:21 |
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| catern | >implying on irc | 18:39 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: well, zindell recycled a lot of vinge stuff | 18:49 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: and i'm sure vinge was recycling a bunch of.. other stuff. | 18:49 |
| eudoxia | the thing with zindell is that it's written very strictly from the point of view of the future | 18:53 |
| eudoxia | and it's very hard to know if, for example, zindell knew about MNT or just sort of made it up | 18:53 |
| eudoxia | because the descriptions of things are so abstract | 18:53 |
| kanzure | even if he did know about MNT he still would have written about it that way | 18:54 |
| kanzure | some of his opinions are a little annoying- like no clocks or internet | 18:54 |
| kanzure | "why use internet when you can just use karma?" | 18:54 |
| eudoxia | i vaguely remember something about the timekeeping hoarding all the clocks | 18:55 |
| eudoxia | what was that all about? | 18:55 |
| eudoxia | s/timekeeping/timekeeper | 18:55 |
| kanzure | his son has down's syndrome :\ | 18:55 |
| kanzure | http://www.astrologywithmelody.com/Astrology_with_Melody.com/Astrology_with_Melody.com/About.html | 18:56 |
| kanzure | why did i say 's | 18:57 |
| ParahSailin | i thought they cured that one | 18:58 |
| eudoxia | i always thought it was "down's" | 18:58 |
| eudoxia | apparently it's both | 18:58 |
| ParahSailin | in like the 70s | 18:58 |
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| kanzure | eudoxia: i think the next interesting scifi book will be from someone that has completely read orion's arm, tmp2, and the standard scifi regiment (maybe) | 19:00 |
| eudoxia | http://tmp2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page ? | 19:01 |
| kanzure | standard regiment not required.. "hoo hoo a giant computer in the sky, guess you guys didn't see that one coming" | 19:01 |
| kanzure | yes | 19:01 |
| kanzure | that is a thing from eric hunting | 19:01 |
| eudoxia | didn't know about it, thanks | 19:02 |
| eudoxia | have you read simon funk's afterlife? | 19:02 |
| kanzure | no | 19:02 |
| eudoxia | http://sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/ it's pretty good | 19:02 |
| kanzure | tbh most of the scifi that i should have read a long time ago i actually have not read | 19:03 |
| eudoxia | same boat | 19:03 |
| kanzure | i just rely on you assholes to have read them for me | 19:03 |
| sacredhatred | eh | 19:04 |
| sacredhatred | I'm much to busy 3d printing jesuses to read | 19:05 |
| sacredhatred | purple jesuses with lightning bolts on them! | 19:05 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: i think i'd like to try a book eventually | 19:10 |
| eudoxia | writing? | 19:11 |
| kanzure | yes maybe. or paying someone else to do it. either way. | 19:11 |
| sacredhatred | http://www.amazon.com/Deceptions-Myths-Bible-Lloyd-Graham/dp/0806511249 | 19:14 |
| eudoxia | do you have any ideas in mind already or do generally want to write a book? | 19:15 |
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| kanzure | sacredhatred: who are you | 19:15 |
| sacredhatred | that's the last book I read... | 19:15 |
| kanzure | eudoxia: no, i don't want to write a book for the sake of it, i just genuinely think that there's insufficiently good hard scifi around | 19:15 |
| sacredhatred | it was very strange | 19:15 |
| sacredhatred | I'm nobody :) | 19:15 |
| eudoxia | i should lock myself in a bunker for a few months without internet and finished my perpetually-WIP novel, but i'm afraid i'd just use the time to write code | 19:17 |
| kanzure | the problem with orion's arm is that if you just dumped all its text into a book format it would be incomprehensible and slightly inconsistent | 19:18 |
| eudoxia | by the time it was done, i'd emerge from the bunker to find we'd already reached mars and unified all fundamental forces | 19:18 |
| kanzure | they try to maintain consistency by not contradicting themselves, but there are different levels of knowledge about technology in different articles | 19:19 |
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| kanzure | so one article talks about a certain type of tool, but then another seems completely unaware of the other | 19:19 |
| sacredhatred | you guys make me want to get drunk | 19:19 |
| kanzure | why are you here? | 19:19 |
| eudoxia | i once read an article in OA about a downed probe using *quantum entanglement* to transmit data FTL | 19:19 |
| WORLDWARTHREE | free booze | 19:20 |
| sacredhatred | heh | 19:20 |
| eudoxia | that's cryoprotectant fluid | 19:20 |
| kanzure | hmm i thought orion's arm banned FTL stuff? | 19:20 |
| sacredhatred | i saw this channel on a "3d printing irc channel list" | 19:20 |
| sacredhatred | on google. | 19:20 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: which is why i was surprised | 19:20 |
| kanzure | that's unfortunate | 19:21 |
| kanzure | and another example of why it's not suitable to be dumped straight into a book | 19:21 |
| kanzure | and all of the "short stories" are pretty suspicious too. it feels like none of the authors have read all of the other content. | 19:21 |
| catern | i read passages in the void a few days ago and it was pretty good hard sci-fi http://localroger.com/ | 19:22 |
| eudoxia | i would pay good money for something set in a vaguely OA-like universe with the writing style of cordwainer smith | 19:22 |
| eudoxia | cause i really like cordwainer smith and i really like magnetic monopoles | 19:22 |
| kanzure | link? | 19:27 |
| catern | kanzure: asking me? it was http://localroger.com/ | 19:29 |
| eudoxia | it's pretty impossible to find his collected works, that was one of the two books i ever had to buy online | 19:29 |
| kanzure | catern: nope, you had already provided a link | 19:30 |
| catern | right | 19:30 |
| eudoxia | libgen has a few of his books, the union of which should more or less be his whole work | 19:32 |
| kanzure | "the oa isn't good enough" fan club | 19:34 |
| kanzure | "also everyone should be using plan9" | 19:34 |
| eudoxia | s/plan9/a custom-built Connection Machine for testing nematode emulations | 19:41 |
| catern | kanzure: do you not like plan9? | 19:42 |
| kanzure | i was making a joke about hplusroadmap | 19:43 |
| kanzure | see, people in here tend to be aware of the bullshit in what others would consider fringe topics | 19:43 |
| kanzure | it is obscure to find people who generally participate in transhumanist projects but think that the way that transhumanism is presented or commonly tlaked about to be complete shit | 19:44 |
| kanzure | equally obscure would be an orion's arm fanclub | 19:44 |
| kanzure | or, even more obscure, a fanclub that thinks that orion's arm is insufficiently orion's-army | 19:44 |
| eudoxia | or an eleitl fan club | 19:44 |
| kanzure | hah | 19:44 |
| kanzure | all 3 members | 19:45 |
| eudoxia | *toot* | 19:45 |
| eudoxia | wait, you and me, who's the third? | 19:46 |
| eudoxia | the guy who wrote that book? | 19:46 |
| kanzure | oh i'm sure there's a third in here somewhere | 19:46 |
| kanzure | pmetzger? | 19:46 |
| eudoxia | yeah | 19:47 |
| eudoxia | i wonder if he's satoshi | 19:47 |
| kanzure | dunno, he's been preoccupied with molecular nanotech stuff for a long time | 19:47 |
| kanzure | but he does have a history in private equity and investment banking | 19:48 |
| eudoxia | he has a computer security background and is an ancap | 19:48 |
| kanzure | too bad he hates me | 19:48 |
| eudoxia | did you bug him about nanoengineer | 19:49 |
| kanzure | no i believed he bugged /me/ | 19:49 |
| kanzure | he was also spending a lot of time at upenn | 19:49 |
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| eudoxia | apparently he hates tom moore too | 19:50 |
| kanzure | wow i met him at hplus summit 2010? i even emailed him about meeting him. | 19:50 |
| kanzure | i don't remember that. | 19:50 |
| eudoxia | they had a fight about aromatic molecules | 19:50 |
| kanzure | "Spoke to you yesterday at H+. I mentioned that I focus on MNT research." | 19:50 |
| kanzure | "You mentioned to me, among other things, that some people are trying to resurrect the Nanoengineer 1 code. I'd be very interested in that." | 19:51 |
| eudoxia | i think he went to upenn to study chemistry | 19:51 |
| kanzure | 917-846-5484 | 19:51 |
| kanzure | straight line to satoshi nakamoto you heard it here first | 19:51 |
| eudoxia | hahaha | 19:52 |
| kanzure | did you see the logs when he /joined? | 19:52 |
| eudoxia | i remember seeing him in the logs, yes | 19:52 |
| kanzure | hmm i see some emails from him to debian-users | 19:52 |
| eudoxia | i think it overlapped with the period in ~2008 when eleitl was on here? | 19:52 |
| kanzure | and i know he's run the cryptography list with an iron fist | 19:52 |
| kanzure | eleitl wasn't around in here in 2008. it was only later that he started joining. | 19:53 |
| kanzure | "Eugen, although I'm pleased I met Bryan this way, I don't really want my private cellphone number in public archives forever. Could you fix that?" | 19:53 |
| kanzure | huh. that's interesting. | 19:53 |
| kanzure | people are pleased to meet me! winning. | 19:54 |
| eudoxia | eleitl was leaving us evidence! | 19:54 |
| kanzure | i wonder if i wrote down what we talked about | 19:54 |
| kanzure | i talked with 35 people that day? | 19:55 |
| kanzure | damn. no tags. | 19:55 |
| kanzure | well i remember meeting jcluck that day | 19:55 |
| kanzure | but not pmetzger | 19:55 |
| kanzure | i mean cluckj | 19:55 |
| * eudoxia looks that up | 19:57 | |
| eudoxia | kanzuregrandma called me to tell me that she's "excited about the singularity"17:39 | 19:57 |
| eudoxia | kanzure<317:40 | 19:57 |
| eudoxia | hhahahha | 19:57 |
| eudoxia | cluckjlmao | 19:57 |
| kanzure | best way to describe her is... lwaxana | 19:57 |
| jrayhawk_ | http://www.leitl.org/ this is a good surrealist site | 19:59 |
| kanzure | i think he befriended a schizo at some point | 19:59 |
| kanzure | actualcv.html:i become fascinated with Eugene whose lisp i can understand when i am not on Olanzapine, visit Germany | 19:59 |
| kanzure | notes1.html:Joseph magically appeared at Eugene's. he said, "do you want vaginal muslces? you can have | 20:00 |
| eudoxia | hah yeah i noticed that a while ago | 20:00 |
| eudoxia | freaky paintings | 20:00 |
| kanzure | it used to be a file server | 20:00 |
| kanzure | i don't know where he has moved the files to | 20:00 |
| eudoxia | it used to have an empty blog | 20:00 |
| kanzure | superkuh might have a backup, but it would be presently owned by the feds | 20:00 |
| eudoxia | only one post about how mike darwin's excellent blog had convinced him to start one | 20:00 |
| kanzure | *in the possession of the feds | 20:01 |
| kanzure | yes he went gooey legged about that chronoblog first post | 20:01 |
| kanzure | "hey look someone has studied the history of cryonics and isn't an idiot!" | 20:01 |
| kanzure | chronopause? | 20:01 |
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| eudoxia | yeah | 20:01 |
| eudoxia | i wonder of eleitl's schizo friend is satoshi | 20:02 |
| kanzure | nah it's more likely that eugen is just a huge softy under the hood | 20:02 |
| jrayhawk_ | haha | 20:03 |
| kanzure | and got attached to someone | 20:03 |
| kanzure | and now feels bad about it | 20:03 |
| eudoxia | 'sylvia leitl' sounds like family | 20:03 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk_: is memory loss a common schizo claim? | 20:04 |
| jrayhawk_ | AFAIK memory loss is a common symptom, but I don't know much about the mechanics of it. | 20:06 |
| kanzure | interesting. i don't see memory loss claims from the schizophrenics that come into here. | 20:06 |
| jrayhawk_ | any cognizance they have on their own deficits they're likely to blame on external forces | 20:07 |
| jrayhawk_ | s/ on / of / | 20:07 |
| kanzure | CIA memory editing? | 20:07 |
| eudoxia | why does this channel attract so many schizo folk anyways | 20:08 |
| kanzure | ooh remote memory disablement. | 20:08 |
| jrayhawk_ | transhumanism is where fantasy has the highest plausibility of becoming relaity | 20:08 |
| jrayhawk_ | reality | 20:08 |
| kanzure | i like that there's an entire class of mental porblems that involve conspiracy theories about the CIA and NSA | 20:09 |
| kanzure | maybe other channels get schizophrenics at the same rate | 20:10 |
| kanzure | #lisp "your closure is reading my thoughts please turn it off" | 20:11 |
| eudoxia | ha | 20:12 |
| jrayhawk_ | http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01927276 ugh, TRIAL FASTER, RESEARCHERS | 20:12 |
| * eudoxia yawns | 20:14 | |
| eudoxia | good night everyone, dream of uploading | 20:14 |
| kanzure | is there a good article that shows off the organizational structure of alqaeda? wikipedia doesn't mention the cells. | 20:14 |
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| kanzure | "Workarounds are possible without a fork but transactions refer to other transactions by txid and with the current malleability you can't reference any transaction which aren't yet in the block chain. To fix this requires an overhall of the bitcoin signature system or of the txid and that would mean a soft fork." | 20:42 |
| kanzure | i suppose there are use cases for that | 20:42 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_cell_system#Non-traditional_models.2C_exemplified_by_al-Qaeda | 20:50 |
| kanzure | that is way less interesting than i remember it | 20:52 |
| kanzure | "Modern communications theory has introduced methods to increase fault tolerance in cell organizations. In the past, if cell members only knew the cell leader, and the leader was neutralized, the cell was cut off from the rest of the organization. Game theory and graph theory have been applied to the study of optimal covert network design (see Lindelauf, R.H.A. et al. 2009. The influence of secrecy on the communication structure of covert ... | 20:52 |
| kanzure | ... networks. Social Networks 31: 126-137)." | 20:52 |
| sacredhatred | i gave it a shot | 20:53 |
| sacredhatred | :/ | 20:53 |
| kanzure | gave what a shot? | 20:54 |
| sacredhatred | the alqueda wiki | 20:54 |
| sacredhatred | why so interested in alqueda, or is it just the social structure your interested in? | 20:56 |
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| justanotheruser | paperbot: google.com/testingpaperbotserrormessage.pdf | 21:27 |
| * kanzure shakes his head | 21:28 | |
| kanzure | why not just read the source code? | 21:28 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: Oh, I forgot he was on github | 21:53 |
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