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| justanotheruser | Hello, I am designing a P2P Bitcoin related program. If someone with technical expertise wants to review my readme on github it would be appreciated, specifically, why it can't work, or why it's a bad idea and what I should elaborate on. | 00:37 |
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| justanotheruser | Please PM me | 00:37 |
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| delinquentme | blah. | 11:20 |
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| nmz787_i | anyone know how to manually download and install this eclipse plugin? https://github.com/eclipse-color-theme/eclipse-color-theme | 11:30 |
| delinquentme | nmz787_i, hows intel? | 11:34 |
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| sandeepkr | ThomasEgi, hi | 12:00 |
| ThomasEgi | hi | 12:01 |
| sandeepkr | how are you ? | 12:01 |
| ThomasEgi | hungry^ | 12:02 |
| sandeepkr | cool | 12:03 |
| ThomasEgi | other than that.. everything as usual. | 12:05 |
| sandeepkr | and your project? hows it goin ? | 12:05 |
| ThomasEgi | which one? | 12:06 |
| sandeepkr | neurofeedback | 12:07 |
| ThomasEgi | well i had to write my report about it , like 3 weeks ago. followed by 2 weeks of actual paied working so i can feed my face for a few more month. | 12:08 |
| ThomasEgi | the circuit is in a somewhat working condition, altho i have some changes on my todo list to reduce power consumtion a bit. | 12:09 |
| ThomasEgi | main problem is still the coating of the acutal device. | 12:09 |
| sandeepkr | yes ,coating . i remember | 12:09 |
| sandeepkr | you were trying something *silicon based . | 12:12 |
| sandeepkr | what do they use to coat a transplantable device like a pacemaker ? | 12:13 |
| ThomasEgi | medical grade silicon | 12:13 |
| ThomasEgi | *silicone | 12:13 |
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| sandeepkr | yup | 12:14 |
| ThomasEgi | there aren't exactly a lot of choices | 12:14 |
| ThomasEgi | i'll be back in bout 15 minutes.. laundry won't wait do itself. | 12:14 |
| sandeepkr | so whats the problem than ?is it a expensive process | 12:14 |
| sandeepkr | sure | 12:15 |
| ThomasEgi | the process in not expensive. | 12:21 |
| ThomasEgi | but the silicone itself is. | 12:21 |
| ThomasEgi | and... there's only a single vendor selling it freely afaik. | 12:21 |
| sandeepkr | selling freely ? means | 12:50 |
| ThomasEgi | like you can order it online. with published pricetags etc. | 13:16 |
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| kanzure | justanotheruser: were you serious with your request? | 13:47 |
| chris_99 | ThomasEgi, ever done hardware RE stuff btw? | 13:47 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, define RE please? | 13:48 |
| ThomasEgi | RE as in reverse engineering? | 13:49 |
| chris_99 | yup | 13:49 |
| chris_99 | just playing around with a smart meter - http://www.anfractuosity.com/projects/smart-meter/ i've just found the name of the main MCU so i guess my first step will be try and grab the firmware if they've not blown certain fuses | 13:50 |
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| ThomasEgi | i did RE a couple of things in the past. | 13:51 |
| chris_99 | i need to grab the names of those other chips as i'm guessing one may be EEPROM | 13:52 |
| kanzure | mumble mumble jtag | 13:52 |
| ThomasEgi | you may be lucky with the fuses. there seems to be unsoldered connectors for in system programming | 13:53 |
| ThomasEgi | and... a lot of testpins | 13:53 |
| chris_99 | yeah just to the left of the mcu theres a 2 pin header which could be interesting | 13:53 |
| ThomasEgi | i wouldn't count on those | 13:55 |
| kanzure | http://www.lapaillasse.org/campagne-nationale-des-biochineurs/ "They have created an online signup form where you can volunteer to go and collect labgear and store it your self. subsequently a local group or la paillasse can then go and pick it up." | 13:56 |
| ThomasEgi | the 6 and 10 pin headers on the right look more interesting to me | 13:56 |
| ThomasEgi | especially the 10 pin one. as it directly connects to the mcu | 13:56 |
| ThomasEgi | and 5 of it's lines are pulled high | 13:57 |
| chris_99 | you mean the 10 holes? | 13:57 |
| ThomasEgi | yep | 13:57 |
| chris_99 | mm i'll check what they mean | 13:58 |
| ThomasEgi | the bottom left pin of it seems to connect to vcc | 13:58 |
| ThomasEgi | the one above that could be gnd. but it's not possible to tell from the pic | 13:58 |
| ThomasEgi | the middle 3 holes on the bottom row are all pulled high using 47k resistors | 13:58 |
| ThomasEgi | the 2nd on the upper row even has a cap on it. | 13:59 |
| ThomasEgi | all those directly connect to the mcu. | 13:59 |
| ThomasEgi | my guess is the one with the cap may serve as reset signal. | 13:59 |
| ThomasEgi | that'd leave at least 3 for data and clock. | 14:00 |
| ThomasEgi | i'm not saying it's some sort of in system programming or debugging interface. but it looks a lot like it. | 14:00 |
| ThomasEgi | i wonder what a wireless interface is doing on a smartmeter. | 14:02 |
| chris_99 | it's zigbee i believe | 14:02 |
| chris_99 | + GSM iirc | 14:02 |
| chris_99 | + IR | 14:02 |
| chris_99 | http://www.anfractuosity.com/files/0900766b811ac3fe.pdf if you look at page38 (in the actual pdf) you can see the chip pinout i believe | 14:03 |
| ThomasEgi | wireless interfaces on a smartmeter is like... asking for trouble. | 14:04 |
| chris_99 | heh | 14:04 |
| chris_99 | yeah | 14:04 |
| ThomasEgi | man that chip's datasheet is long | 14:04 |
| chris_99 | mmm | 14:05 |
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| ThomasEgi | hm. nonmaskable interrupts, pulsecounting.. not exactly what i expected | 14:10 |
| chris_99 | just trying to find what the programming pins are | 14:11 |
| ThomasEgi | 2 interesting points would be the via's on the chip's right side. they are the i²c bus lines | 14:11 |
| ThomasEgi | the reset pin connects to the 10pin header, bottom row, 4th position | 14:12 |
| chris_99 | ah interesting | 14:13 |
| ThomasEgi | NMI also seems to play a role in selecting boot modes, it's connected to that 10pin header,too. | 14:14 |
| chris_99 | p196 seems interesting "In boot mode, control commands and data for programming are transmitted from the externally | 14:18 |
| chris_99 | connected host via SCI3_1 to program/erase the user ROM area." | 14:18 |
| ThomasEgi | i already skipped to 230 | 14:20 |
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| ThomasEgi | chris_99, can you give me the number on the chip located above the left LED from the "emergency credit" interface? | 14:22 |
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| chris_99 | sure one sec | 14:24 |
| chris_99 | tny278pn | 14:24 |
| chris_99 | ah outputs 12V from 230V AC | 14:25 |
| chris_99 | *12VDC | 14:25 |
| kanzure | apparently this flop at nycresistor led to makerbot.. http://www.wired.com/underwire/2008/09/history-hacker/ | 14:26 |
| chris_99 | the chip on the far right above the barcode and two leds is l272m (op-amps) | 14:27 |
| kanzure | oh i see "Pettis recently announced a partnership with the History Channel to create History Hacker, a science show that’s a cross between Mr. Wizard and MythBusters. The show follows the 36-year-old DIY guy as he re-creates groundbreaking technological inventions using everyday materials and equipment stashed around his house in Brooklyn, New York." | 14:27 |
| kanzure | and i guess that's how he ran into zach | 14:27 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, i was more interested in that really tiny 6pin pin.. about 2mm above the left of the led-pair | 14:28 |
| ThomasEgi | *6pin chip | 14:29 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: what's the lab phenomenona called where some guy makes his entire career about transformations or about gel extractions etc | 14:30 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: i know it's generally called specialization but i remember that others had a snide name for it | 14:31 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, it looks like it reads "fDx" or so | 14:31 |
| ThomasEgi | or f5x | 14:31 |
| chris_99 | fm31256-g is the chip to the right of the MCU just below the LCD | 14:31 |
| kanzure | http://www.virtuous-ten-studio.com/ "Virtuous Ten Studio (VTS) is the ultimate solution for the modification of android applications. The intended group of users covers anyone from a themer over ROM devs up to the smali gods known for their awesome mods of existing apks. The modifcation of smali code is one of the biggest features in VTS. You can easily decompile, edit and recompile any apk or jar file. Additionally VTS brings support for un- ... | 14:32 |
| kanzure | ... and repacking of boot images (boot.img), a job that previously required a cygwin installation with the dsixda kitchen. Since VTS' own implementation is a native windows solution, you don't need dsixda or cygwin anymore." | 14:32 |
| kanzure | "Connection between smali code and public.xml to expose hex references" | 14:32 |
| kanzure | i wonder if dalvik has the jvm's remote debugger capabilities | 14:33 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, again. not the one i meant. it looks more like a resistor. it's super tiny. | 14:33 |
| chris_99 | if you mean the one above the left led it just seems like it reads 13 | 14:35 |
| chris_99 | with a weird other symbol | 14:35 |
| ThomasEgi | the chip on the top right. the fm31256 appears to be the system clock, connected to the i2c bus, which is also connected to the 6pin header. so easy access for snooping data from that part. | 14:38 |
| chris_99 | FM31256 is eeprom | 14:39 |
| chris_99 | or NV RAM anyway | 14:39 |
| chris_99 | + RTC | 14:40 |
| ThomasEgi | probably mainly used as RTC | 14:40 |
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| ThomasEgi | the emergency credit thing looks like a fun to play with once you have hands on the firmware. at seems to connect to TXD_2 and RXD_2 , which can also be put into IrDA modes | 14:43 |
| chris_99 | cool | 14:45 |
| ThomasEgi | but. that's for when you have the memory content to play around with. | 14:47 |
| chris_99 | mm, i'm wondering how to go about grabbing the memory, whether i program an MCU to send the programming bits, i guess i'll have to see if it uses annoying voltages too, to program it | 14:48 |
| eudoxia | yo kanzure | 14:50 |
| eudoxia | i'm trying to fix skdb's package downloader to get the packages from diyhpl.us | 14:50 |
| eudoxia | but i can't clone stuff :c | 14:50 |
| eudoxia | "fatal: remote error: access denied or repository not exported" | 14:51 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, depends on the protection modes set | 14:53 |
| ThomasEgi | details in chapter 7.7.3 PROM Programmer Protection/Boot Mode Protection | 14:53 |
| chris_99 | ah thanks | 14:55 |
| ThomasEgi | in worst case. you'll get no access to it. | 14:55 |
| chris_99 | have you seen this http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=40 tis pretty awesome | 14:57 |
| ThomasEgi | i have not seen that particular page. but i know about a number of hacks to get around fuses on chips | 14:59 |
| ParahSailin | clone drone? | 14:59 |
| ThomasEgi | chris_99, i wonder what kind of havoc one can do by simply messing with the RTC data delivered over the i2c bus. | 15:00 |
| chris_99 | mm heh, i'm kind of hoping it may store power measurement data on it too | 15:00 |
| ThomasEgi | that'd make it even more attackable. | 15:00 |
| chris_99 | yeah | 15:01 |
| ThomasEgi | tasty attack vector. probably very worth sniffing the data on that bus | 15:01 |
| chris_99 | mm | 15:01 |
| ThomasEgi | if that really stores the data. manipulating that data as it gets transmitted over the bus seems fun. | 15:03 |
| chris_99 | yup :) | 15:04 |
| ThomasEgi | and even if it's just the clock... i wonder what a bit of timetraveling will do to the firmware. they better have some flux capacitors on that board to deal with the alternate timelines ;) | 15:05 |
| ThomasEgi | or flux compensator?... i really need to watch that movie again. | 15:06 |
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| chris_99 | got it right first time | 15:07 |
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| ThomasEgi | in that case... the german translation used in the movie isn't horribly accurate from an engineers point of view. | 15:09 |
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| kanzure | eww disgusting "NB – You can only view the source code in VTS. It is not possible to edit the java source code and recompile from there. This feature is purely to help give you a clearer understanding of what is going on in the smali code." | 15:25 |
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| ParahSailin | somali? | 15:50 |
| eudoxia | i read it as smari like mccarthy | 15:52 |
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| kanzure | smali is a thing for reverse engineering dalvik bytecode | 15:53 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: Was there something about what I said that made it seem like I was joking? | 17:58 |
| justanotheruser | If you want, I would like you to read it | 17:59 |
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