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| bkero | Anybody here used freecad before? | 02:18 |
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| bkero | I'm trying to load the OSVehicle Tabby STP file into it and it' just hanging my system. How big can it be? | 02:18 |
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| eudoxia | i tried coconut water once and it was terrible | 04:57 |
| eudoxia | i didn't know it was a single cell though that's pretty cool | 04:57 |
| WWIII | it can be used as a replacement for saline IV | 05:23 |
| WWIII | in an emergency | 05:23 |
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| chris_99 | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22129623.000-gunshot-victims-to-be-suspended-between-life-and-death.html#.UzQjFmdb-XL | 06:17 |
| eudoxia | i assume the comments on HN are along the lines of: | 06:25 |
| eudoxia | "cryonics confirmed for not sci-fi!" | 06:25 |
| eudoxia | "not its not >muh strawberries >muh hamburgerization" | 06:26 |
| eudoxia | "*vitalist fallacies*" | 06:26 |
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| chris_99 | could you still determine someone wasn't braindead by measuring something from the neurons? | 06:30 |
| eudoxia | you mean measure without actually touching the neurons? | 06:31 |
| chris_99 | not sure either by using some kind of probe or any other way | 06:32 |
| eudoxia | well if it's all necrotic it's definitely dead | 06:34 |
| eudoxia | otherwise i'm not sure how relevant brain death is in the context of cryonics | 06:34 |
| chris_99 | so roughly the state of the neurons is mainly down to ions within them? | 06:37 |
| eudoxia | you're gonna have to ask an actual neuroscientist | 06:37 |
| eudoxia | unless that was a rhetorical question | 06:38 |
| chris_99 | nope it wasnt | 06:38 |
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| kanzure | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/70308014/kings-assembly-a-computer-mouse-full-of-awesome | 07:44 |
| kanzure | hrm "30 keys for fingers of each hand" kinda limited | 07:45 |
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| * ThomasEgi is working on a regular keyboard with a layout containing 6 different layers on a window manager that does not require a mouse to operate at all. | 08:19 | |
| ThomasEgi | but sure, if you want to use mouse and keyboard together all the time.. why not. | 08:19 |
| chris_99 | ratpoison? | 08:20 |
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| eudoxia | just about every tiling WM doesn't require a mouse at all | 08:21 |
| eudoxia | i would guess awesome or xmonad since that's what everyone's using | 08:21 |
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| ThomasEgi | eudoxia guessed right. awesomewm in my case | 08:22 |
| ThomasEgi | and for the very few cases you need a mouse to navigate horribly writen websites... one can even fall back to the refined grid approaches. | 08:23 |
| ThomasEgi | which works very well if you have a numblock mapped on one layer of your keyboard layout | 08:24 |
| ThomasEgi | so the only occasion where you really want to have a mouse is for playing games. and during that, there usualy is very little need to swap between mouse and keyboard. | 08:24 |
| eudoxia | i should try vimperator or one of those hardcore things | 08:24 |
| ThomasEgi | you better be ready to sacrifice some firstborns then :D | 08:25 |
| eudoxia | ThomasEgi: what did you mean with 'different layers' on the keyboard? | 08:28 |
| ThomasEgi | most keyboard layouts use just 2 , in rare cases 3 layers | 08:29 |
| ThomasEgi | like layer 1 is for small letters. layer 2 usualy for captial letters | 08:29 |
| ThomasEgi | layer 3 is sometimes used for stuff luke ³ ² and @ | 08:30 |
| eudoxia | oh so a layer is like alt/shift/altgr characters | 08:30 |
| ThomasEgi | yep. the modifier keys:) | 08:30 |
| ThomasEgi | and. my layout has a total of 6 layers | 08:30 |
| cluckj | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23685372%20 | 08:30 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.3920%2FBM2012.0063 | 08:30 |
| ThomasEgi | 2 for regular writing, one with all the programming related keys such as bracktes and punktiation and arithmetic operators | 08:31 |
| cluckj | srsly one page, paperbot? | 08:31 |
| eudoxia | and a bunch of obscure unicode math stuff right? | 08:31 |
| ThomasEgi | the 4th layer is for navigation, it includes arrow keys, backspace, delete, pos1 , end as well as a numblock (so yo udon't need a separate numblock on your keyboard) | 08:31 |
| ThomasEgi | yeah. the obscure math stuff is on layer 5 | 08:32 |
| ThomasEgi | ℕℝ∂∫ and all that stuff | 08:32 |
| ThomasEgi | layer 6 is greek letters such as μ ω Ω small and capital | 08:33 |
| ThomasEgi | so .. not sure if that counts as 7 layers in total | 08:33 |
| ThomasEgi | usualy 6 layers. cause noone counts small and cap letters as separate layers | 08:34 |
| ThomasEgi | it's optimized for german languge. but changing the first 2 layers should be no problem. http://neo-layout.org/grafik/druckvorlage/neo-druckvorlage.png that's what it looks like if you slam all symbols on the actual key | 08:36 |
| eudoxia | sweet | 08:37 |
| eudoxia | what are the os logos doing there though | 08:37 |
| ThomasEgi | the only key that has no modifier is the enter key. so you can feel right at home for at least one key. | 08:37 |
| ThomasEgi | it's a print stencil | 08:37 |
| ThomasEgi | the bottom most row is just to fit everyones taste in os logo keys | 08:38 |
| kanzure | i should call my typing technique "roshi turtle typing" | 08:39 |
| ThomasEgi | iirc there are people using qwert dvorak and colemak dervates of that. | 08:39 |
| kanzure | http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120420131027/dragonball/images/f/fa/Findthatstone1.jpg | 08:39 |
| ThomasEgi | kanzure, how does it work? | 08:40 |
| kanzure | well it's approximately this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ-l_oGDbMs&t=4m20s | 08:43 |
| ThomasEgi | so.. you type by .. running over your keyboard in 8 seconds? | 08:50 |
| ThomasEgi | i don't get it. | 08:50 |
| eudoxia | i don't get it either, maybe it's further in the video | 08:51 |
| ThomasEgi | i watched it to the end | 08:51 |
| kanzure | i was joking. sorry about that. if you're actually interested in my technique it involves ranting loudly on the internet for decades. | 08:51 |
| ThomasEgi | lound ranting makes you type. so you use voice input? | 08:51 |
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| kanzure | it is possible to type loud sentences | 08:52 |
| kanzure | LIKE ALLCAPS | 08:52 |
| ThomasEgi | for some reason.. i feel urged to write avoice input library that sucks like hell but has an extremly high accuracy detecting curse words :D | 08:52 |
| kanzure | i used to be much faster at chat | 08:52 |
| eudoxia | kanzure: tangential question, what was that program where you type by moving a pointer into letters as they appear from the right side? | 08:52 |
| kanzure | dasher | 08:52 |
| eudoxia | thanks | 08:52 |
| eudoxia | i recall you said you tried it a few times but never got around to using it for real | 08:53 |
| eudoxia | has that changed? | 08:53 |
| kanzure | i think i was using it for 30 minutes once to type sentences but it was just not entertaining enough or useful enough to warrant further use | 08:54 |
| kanzure | i think the next typing software thing that i try is going to be plover | 08:54 |
| kanzure | i've already attempted plover at least a few times but i keep fucking up my keyboard purchases | 08:54 |
| kanzure | i think there's a total of two or three keyboards that it is compatible with :( | 08:54 |
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| eudoxia | it doesn't work on whatever? | 08:55 |
| eudoxia | what a shame | 08:55 |
| kanzure | n-key rollover | 08:55 |
| kanzure | not all keyboards are capable of registering any-given-set-of 10 keypresses simultaneously | 08:55 |
| JayDugger | Ah. | 08:58 |
| JayDugger | Plover would make an interesting test if Dallas Makerspace has a keyboard show-and-tell. | 08:58 |
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| ThomasEgi | to be fair.. the usb standard keyboard device can only register 6 keypresses my design (excluding modifier keys) | 09:02 |
| kanzure | ThomasEgi: if i was to bestow a budget would you be interested in doing crazy keyboard things | 09:03 |
| ThomasEgi | so if you want true nkoy rollover you need to no only have a keyboard with the required hardware to detect those presses. but you also need to use the ps/2 connector... or a custom keyboard usb driver | 09:03 |
| kanzure | i'd be willing to write a custom keyboard usb driver | 09:03 |
| ThomasEgi | i'm not much into crazy keyboard hardware. but i can point you to people who may | 09:03 |
| kanzure | i would like to meet those people yah | 09:03 |
| kanzure | *yeah | 09:03 |
| ThomasEgi | in #neo they may be able to point you towards the right people/forums/boards | 09:04 |
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| archels | ThomasEgi: I'm a bit skeptical about a plethora of modifier keys. At one time I used an app that would let me access most or any unicode character based on a simple sequence after hitting a single 'special' access key. E.g. [Alt]+1 -> 'g' for Greek, 'a' for alpha | 09:09 |
| archels | it was very quick and intuitive and didn't require me to learn seven keyboard layouts | 09:09 |
| ThomasEgi | if that's all you need. that's good. i tossed qwert overboard cause i hated it and wanted to learn something new anyway. | 09:09 |
| ThomasEgi | from my experience, the navigation and programming layers are really wonderful | 09:10 |
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| ThomasEgi | i rarely use the math and greek symbols myself. but being able to reach all the brackets and cursor movement without having to move my hand at all was well worth the few weeks of learning process | 09:11 |
| archels | admittedly I'm neither a vi nor an emacs nerd | 09:14 |
| archels | I find both to be an affront to user interface design | 09:14 |
| kanzure | does that mean you also don't use emacs or vi? | 09:14 |
| archels | notepad++ | 09:14 |
| ThomasEgi | i'm mostly using geany | 09:14 |
| eudoxia | i use emacs and a WM with emacs-like keybindings | 09:15 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/09528130600552888 | 10:31 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/16cf7b9a611367fcd5fb002e0ec1d8ef.pdf | 10:31 |
| archels | <3 | 10:32 |
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| ParahSailin | dude using ''.join([dirname, basename]) because he doesnt want to add extra dependency on os.path | 11:01 |
| ParahSailin | first line of file is import os | 11:02 |
| kanzure | is he aware that most of the os module is just pass-through to standard system calls | 11:02 |
| kanzure | what happened to writing everything in haskell | 11:03 |
| eudoxia | why would you be worried about dependency on the stdlib | 11:03 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: having to deal with other people's shit | 11:03 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: are you the only one writing haskell there? | 11:03 |
| ParahSailin | yeah | 11:04 |
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| ParahSailin | god, and theres a "/".join in here too | 11:06 |
| ParahSailin | seriously? '/'.join(list[0:len(list)-1]) + '/' | 11:08 |
| ParahSailin | oh no wait, it gets better, the previous line is ` list = (self.params['Path_to_genome_file']).split('/') ` | 11:10 |
| ParahSailin | os.path.basename in two lines | 11:10 |
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| kanzure | self.params is bad because you could just call self.path | 11:12 |
| kanzure | self.params is definitely smelly | 11:13 |
| kanzure | also in python it is considered poor form to name your variables based on reserved keywords like "list" | 11:13 |
| kanzure | i found a peculiar fellow who decided to use classes that extended from collections.namedtuple or something, just as a basic way to name the variables you expect to keep track of | 11:14 |
| ParahSailin | nah its not a reserved keyword, and shadowing builtin values is totally awesome | 11:14 |
| kanzure | oops yeah there's like a list and reserved keyword is the worst, and the other end is "yep totally free", and in between it's builtin and.. uh.. | 11:14 |
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| ParahSailin | ok no i think i have something better: def check_dir_path(self,path) {length = len(path); if path[length-int(1)] != '/' {path = ''.join([path,'/'])}; return path} | 11:20 |
| kanzure | have you considered quitting | 11:22 |
| eudoxia | what's that curly brace thing | 11:24 |
| ParahSailin | python doesnt really support that but pretend like its crs and proper indentation | 11:25 |
| eudoxia | oh i thought it was a literal code fragmet | 11:26 |
| eudoxia | fragment*, at one point i wondered if it was scala | 11:26 |
| kanzure | yes it is hard to communicate python indentation in a single line | 11:28 |
| ParahSailin | either post a url to a gist, make inline pseudopython, or paste literal multiline python, i did 2 | 11:28 |
| kanzure | the solution is to never speak of python and don't admit it | 11:28 |
| kanzure | it's too bad that javascript sucks so much | 11:29 |
| kanzure | and that python can't get its own npm because module importing is fucked up | 11:29 |
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| ParahSailin | lines = infd.readlines(); line_length = len(lines); j=int(0); while j < line_length {...} | 11:32 |
| kanzure | methinks it would be easier for you to just write your own | 11:33 |
| ParahSailin | most of the time i just hear the other guys typing and assume theyre doing something useful | 11:34 |
| eudoxia | i go out of my way to make my python as un-C++-y as possibly but when i see things like that i feel better about myself | 11:35 |
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| kanzure | backstalking is a lot like backpropagation except less difficult in terms of programming | 13:44 |
| chris_99 | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811914001633 | 13:45 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/85ed3d8588648333ffb5eb2e1ce5bdb0.txt | 13:45 |
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| jrayhawk | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3709958 | 14:23 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/d5db411ea289d75b3f29985277196911.txt | 14:23 |
| jrayhawk | paperbot: http://diyhpl.us/stable/pdfplus/3709958.pdf?acceptTC=true&acceptTC=true | 14:23 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/a66d25fdd9b673496ab22f26e9179092.txt | 14:23 |
| jrayhawk | fffffff | 14:24 |
| jrayhawk | right, right | 14:24 |
| jrayhawk | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/3709958.pdf?acceptTC=true&acceptTC=true | 14:24 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/79921c5e0aeb4b09072ad0911ff66bd.txt | 14:25 |
| kanzure | "common intractable human problems" apparently not so intractable huh | 14:30 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://socrel.oxfordjournals.org/content/40/4/283.abstract | 14:33 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.2307%2F3709958 | 14:33 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk: there you go | 14:33 |
| pyotr | I guess you guys 'talk' in the form of papers | 14:36 |
| kanzure | well, show me a better paper | 14:39 |
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| jrayhawk | donkey shins | 14:50 |
| jrayhawk | i am bad at paperbot | 14:50 |
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| kanzure | can anyone find me a copy of "The Rapid Emergence of Bio-Electronic Novelty, Neuronal Architectures, and Organismal Performance" | 16:15 |
| kanzure | "Data from the fossil record and comparative morphology indicate that organisms with complex brains and sophisticated sensory systems evolved very rapidly in the early Paleozoic in a time interval perhaps shorter than 5 million years. Owing to such severe time constraints, it is inevitable that the neuronal architecture for complex sensory and motor functions must have been forged via a modular mode of reorganization rather than by the ... | 16:15 |
| kanzure | ... invention of a large number of novel elementars (new proteins, new gene control regions, or new cell types). As the molecular mechanisms involved in embryogenesis and brain development become increasingly better known, and as the various genome projects furnish sufficient data of requisite quality, testable hypotheses about the features that distinguished Cambrian from Precambrian genomes are becoming easier to formulate. For Drosophila ... | 16:15 |
| kanzure | ... melanogaster it is already clear that major neuronal gene expression patterns during development are few in number and restricted in extent. These findings have significant implications for the evolution of behavioral outputs of organisms at different levels of complexity and make it likely that neuronal architectures have been explored only partially since the Cambrian. In this chapter we evaluate the data bearing upon abrupt versus ... | 16:16 |
| kanzure | ... smooth evolutionary transitions in terms of (a) the modular modes of biological construction at the protein and neuronal circuit levels, (b) the rates and "costs" of complex brain evolution, and (c) the constraints of' interacting gene and protein pathways on nervous system evolution." | 16:16 |
| ParahSailin | 1995 is not likely to be a very current book | 16:31 |
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| nmz787_i | it looks like I might be able to get a hardcopy on loan http://portlandstate.worldcat.org/title/flexibility-and-constraint-in-behavioral-systems-dahlem-workshop-revised-papers/oclc/846581098&referer=brief_results | 17:04 |
| nmz787_i | I can't find a reference to it on wiley.com though | 17:04 |
| nmz787_i | so I can't find even a paywall link | 17:04 |
| kanzure | don't bother with the loan | 17:05 |
| ParahSailin | nmz787_i: go on your school's iliad and they will send you interlibrary scan | 17:06 |
| FourFire | so, http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/179289 must be old news by now | 17:07 |
| FourFire | interesting though, I haven't been following up on bone implant advancements | 17:08 |
| FourFire | Teeth is one of the things I keep an eye out for, though. | 17:08 |
| ParahSailin | regretting the cyanide tooth implant and want the original one back? | 17:13 |
| FourFire | ParahSailin, nope, just thinking long term | 17:25 |
| FourFire | there's a list of human body parts which need to be replaced in order to reach indefinite lifespan | 17:26 |
| FourFire | (I'm a proponent of biological indefinite lifespan, haven't worked through the "but a computer simulation of my neurones firing isn't me" issue) | 17:27 |
| FourFire | from my point of view the P Zombie issue is unfalsifiable | 17:27 |
| chris_99 | say you replaced neurons one-by-one | 17:28 |
| chris_99 | with digital equivalents | 17:29 |
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| ParahSailin | the soul disappears with the last one | 17:29 |
| chris_99 | heh | 17:29 |
| ParahSailin | it would have to be symmetric to the process of ensoulment | 17:30 |
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| chris_99 | if you upload a mind, would it really be the same 'you', or just a copy | 17:41 |
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| ParahSailin | lemme ask my identical twin | 17:47 |
| chris_99 | heh | 17:48 |
| FourFire | yeah, thing is I don't subscribe to souls either | 17:55 |
| FourFire | it's a dillemma which exists probably due to my own ignorance | 17:56 |
| FourFire | If I *knew* all the details around it then it would be resolvable, but "you can't sit in you living room with your eyes closed and draw an accurate streetmap of your city" | 17:57 |
| kanzure | if philosophy is allowed then i'm linkdumping, fuck you guys | 18:00 |
| kanzure | :fart: http://znanie.podelise.ru/tw_files2/urls_923/2/d-1157/7z-docs/1.pdf | 18:00 |
| kanzure | pooooop http://www.derekmelser.org/essays/essayprogress.html | 18:00 |
| kanzure | http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Paper/00_01/agency.htm | 18:01 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/philosophy/Causation%20is%20the%20transfer%20of%20information%20-%20John%20Collier.pdf | 18:02 |
| streety | has anyone tried downloading all the scientific articles from libgen? | 18:06 |
| kanzure | they have torrents | 18:07 |
| streety | for just the scientific articles? | 18:08 |
| streety | I've found the db dump | 18:08 |
| chris_99 | that book on thinking sounds pretty cool kanzure :) | 18:09 |
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| dingo | 01:09 < chris_99> that book on thinking sounds pretty cool kanzure :) | 18:35 |
| dingo | i agree | 18:35 |
| dingo | its interesting to think about thinking, hehe | 18:35 |
| chris_99 | heh | 18:35 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php?uniquenumber=190844 | 19:31 |
| yoleaux | Slovenia and Cyprus to join EU's Human Brain Project | 19:31 |
| kanzure | someone apparently skipped my chroot instructions for nanoengineer: | 19:33 |
| kanzure | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22571848/debugging-the-error-gcc-error-x86-64-linux-gnu-gcc-no-such-file-or-directory/22696574#22696574 | 19:33 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/issues/6 | 19:33 |
| kanzure | "I'm a CMake kind of guy myself" i suspect russian | 19:33 |
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