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| kanzure | huh i forgot about some of these | 00:02 |
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| kanzure | like the technocalypse clip about dumping cat visual cortex data to video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLb9EIiSyG8&index=9&list=PLgO7JBj821uEq-iLteI2BgeXc8JY1PgF2 | 00:03 |
| kanzure | (this isn't the fmri thing that was recently reported) | 00:03 |
| gradstudentbot | Should have gone to med school. | 00:04 |
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| nsh | tyty | 00:44 |
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| kanzure | hrm i have eleitl's physical mailing address | 01:52 |
| kanzure | now, what should i troll him with? | 01:52 |
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| mosasaur | Did someone say gobbledigook? http://www.machinedlearnings.com/2014/02/stranger-in-strange-land.html | 02:39 |
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| @_archels | "SSDs expected to outpace HDD density" | 04:00 |
| @_archels | now you have my attention. | 04:00 |
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| JayDugger1 | A catalog of vacation homes in rural Manitoba? | 04:16 |
| JayDugger1 | That seems right up his alley. | 04:17 |
| gradstudentbot | Oh a sales rep? No, I'm not busy, sure I have time to talk. | 04:17 |
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| fenn | "Fetuses of the Giant Panda have been grown in the womb of a cat by intercurrently inserting panda and cat embryos into the cat womb." you learn something every day | 04:46 |
| JayDugger1 | Did they come to term? | 04:48 |
| fenn | "nuclei from cells taken from abdominal muscles of giant pandas were transferred to egg cells of rabbits and, in turn, transferred into the uterus of cat together with cat embryos." | 04:49 |
| JayDugger1 | How exciting! SCNT clones of giant pandas, or panda-rabbit-cat chimeras. | 04:50 |
| JayDugger1 | How awesome is this glorious future of ours! | 04:51 |
| fenn | this is the paper, i'm not sure what the eventual fate of the embryos was: http://www.biolreprod.org/content/67/2/637 | 04:52 |
| fenn | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabbit | 04:53 |
| fenn | they are also intergalactic spaceships | 04:53 |
| JayDugger1 | Silly me. I should remember that Japanese pop culture has most of the good ideas first. | 04:57 |
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| fenn | ryo-ohki and ryouko are both made from the same mass of undifferentiated cells by mad scientist washu, using varying amounts of her own DNA | 04:57 |
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| mosasaur | At some point the harem starts to own you. | 05:01 |
| fenn | in the case of tenchi, it was around episode 1 | 05:03 |
| mosasaur | he'd probably be better off with a chobit | 05:05 |
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| fenn | wouldn't we all | 05:09 |
| mosasaur | fenn: I have this theory that Hacker News puts articles on its front page based on our IRC chats. | 05:12 |
| mosasaur | Basically, that article I linked earlier is just a rephrasing of our discussion from yesterday. | 05:14 |
| fenn | the machined learnings one? | 05:15 |
| mosasaur | yes | 05:15 |
| fenn | it was all pretty new to me | 05:16 |
| fenn | "any sufficiently check-pointed undo is indistinguishable from reversible computing" is what you're referring to i guess | 05:18 |
| mosasaur | That's certainly one of them. But there are others that are more like convergent evolution of memes. | 05:20 |
| fenn | .ety apophenia | 05:20 |
| yoleaux | Sorry, I couldn't find the etymology of that. | 05:20 |
| fenn | i don't read hacker news | 05:21 |
| fenn | is it possible that your meme shares a common ancestor with whatever shows up on HN? | 05:21 |
| gradstudentbot | My PI went fishing in 1987 for proteins associated with cancer. He hasn't returned yet. | 05:23 |
| mosasaur | Yes. It's even more likely. But it doesn't feel that way. | 05:23 |
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| mosasaur | Anyway, for our email retraction problem, they would probably delegate it to some subprocess. “please don't do an expensive restore, I'll handle this one” | 05:41 |
| fenn | i would hope so | 05:42 |
| fenn | a "restore" would also delete all the other emails | 05:42 |
| fenn | "specific experience of an abnormal meaningfulness" sounds like some features of schizophrenia | 05:44 |
| fenn | but it's so common in human experience that we should have a name for the opposite instead | 05:45 |
| fenn | pophenia :) | 05:45 |
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| fenn | sometimes i wonder if the cat really thinks there's something rustling under the paper bag or it's just pretending | 05:47 |
| mosasaur | The cat is another thing they knew about: "While it takes a lot of computers to recognize a cat, the total core-hours is still less than 106." | 05:50 |
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| fenn | 10^6 | 05:51 |
| mosasaur | No wonder it took you so long | 05:52 |
| fenn | i'm not a computer | 05:52 |
| mosasaur | Still, you didn't see it coming | 05:52 |
| fenn | .g they're made out of meat | 05:52 |
| yoleaux | http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html | 05:52 |
| mosasaur | they're designed to be anti pareidolic | 05:53 |
| fenn | what are? | 05:54 |
| mosasaur | cats are sneaky bastards | 05:54 |
| fenn | ... i thought you were going to say "computers" | 05:55 |
| fenn | teach teh controversy: http://fennetic.net/irc/cats_snakes.jpg | 05:57 |
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| fenn | .thesaurus randomania | 06:03 |
| yoleaux | No thesaurus entry for "randomania". | 06:03 |
| mosasaur | .wik denial | 06:05 |
| yoleaux | "Denial, in ordinary English usage, is asserting that a statement or allegation is not true. The same word, and also abnegation, is used for a psychological defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite …" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial | 06:05 |
| fenn | no, that's different | 06:05 |
| fenn | randomania is when you accept that something happened, but insist that it didn't happen for a reason | 06:06 |
| fenn | the word is only defined in an alternate reality though | 06:06 |
| gradstudentbot | Who used the last of the buffer? | 06:06 |
| * fenn sips on a cool tall glass of phosphate buffered saline | 06:07 | |
| mosasaur | that's really cute, because ordinarily there is no conceivable falsification of such theories | 06:08 |
| fenn | http://www.paloaltohistory.com/william-shockley.php "William Shockley: Paranoia Runs Deep" unflattering mini-bio | 06:09 |
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| fenn | hello Languager | 06:10 |
| Languager | hello | 06:10 |
| fenn | loqueris tu interlingua | 06:11 |
| fenn | too many cookies. i need to stop doing that | 06:13 |
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| @_archels | any recommendations on a pH meter? | 07:04 |
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| nsh_ | boil some pregnancy tests in a pot with cabbage and two duck's eggs | 07:06 |
| fenn | _archels: what size of container are you going to measure from? test tube? small neck tissue culture flask? beaker? aquarium? | 07:27 |
| fenn | wait i thought you did simulations | 07:29 |
| @_archels | let's say beaker | 07:29 |
| @_archels | yeah, this is just for some hobby stuff off the side | 07:29 |
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| fenn | _archels: this looks pretty solid and they actually give you technical info http://www.amazon.com/Oakton-EcoTestr-Waterproof-Tester-Range/dp/B004G8PWAU/ref=lp_393271011_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1399213264&sr=1-1 | 07:35 |
| fenn | i would want one with USB but i don't see anything reasonable | 07:36 |
| fenn | i mean this is kinda overkill http://www.amazon.com/Mettler-Toledo-S220U-SevenCompact-University/dp/B00AKIR2YY/ref=sr_1_6?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1399214179&sr=1-6&keywords=usb+ph+meter | 07:37 |
| @_archels | yeah, initially I was thinking of getting one with a replacable probe | 07:38 |
| fenn | the extech one has a replaceable probe but the probe is $50 | 07:38 |
| @_archels | then I thought to myself that in 2014 we ought to've come up with something fundamentally better than these contact testers | 07:38 |
| @_archels | I'm counting on you, ##hplusroadmap | 07:38 |
| fenn | oh you could do proton NMR | 07:39 |
| fenn | lol | 07:39 |
| @_archels | haha | 07:39 |
| fenn | give it twenty years and it'll be on amazon, with LiDi 3.0 autocorrecting lab AI companion | 07:40 |
| fenn | proudly made in republic of malawi | 07:40 |
| fenn | okay that's enough predicting for today | 07:41 |
| fenn | it's endlessly fascinating the uses for perovskites.. this pH meter probe is made of PVDF | 07:43 |
| fenn | it seems like perovskite is the magic crystal that makes all the lab equipment go | 07:43 |
| fenn | oh nevermind PVDF is not a perovskite after all | 07:44 |
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| kanzure | thought he'd never leave | 08:08 |
| cluckj | heh | 08:08 |
| kanzure | <li> Warnings when bonds exceed reasonable limits during simulatione | 08:17 |
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| kanzure | "In the year 1985, US FDA approved the company's bulk drug manufacturing facilities." oh yeah.. they also regulate that. right. | 08:45 |
| kanzure | "In 2001, Cipla offered medicines (antiretrovirals) for HIV treatment at a fractional cost (less than $350 per year per patient)" | 08:45 |
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| kanzure | "Cipla has 34 manufacturing units in 8 locations across India and has presence in 170 countries" | 08:45 |
| fenn | http://www.foodtimeline.org/ they forgot fern fiddleheads, and seaweed should be pushed further back, but otherwise pretty interesting | 08:48 |
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| kanzure | "presence in 170 countries" i wonder what counts as presence | 08:48 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, thanks for hosting "Dragon's Egg" and "Starquake" | 09:05 |
| FourFire | I just finished Dragon's egg and found to my surprise that it (written over 30 years before I had it) contained my main idea for genetic improvement | 09:06 |
| kanzure | i don't think i'm hosting that | 09:06 |
| FourFire | I just got the PDF from "diyhpl.us/~bryan/[...]" | 09:08 |
| FourFire | that isn't you? | 09:08 |
| kanzure | alright | 09:08 |
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| fenn | this looks familiar http://quantifiedawesome.com/time/graph?end=2014-05-04&start=2014-04-05 | 09:59 |
| kanzure | because it's sacha chua | 10:00 |
| gradstudentbot | You can't guarantee that. | 10:01 |
| fenn | no i mean the graphs are exactly what i did/was planning for my remake | 10:01 |
| kanzure | huh, i've known sacha since 2005? | 10:01 |
| fenn | wow | 10:01 |
| fenn | uh, why? how? | 10:02 |
| fenn | apparently she does emacs-lisp consulting? | 10:02 |
| kanzure | 2005 was around the time i was spending 25 hours/day on my giant todo list of death | 10:02 |
| kanzure | and there was an article about something related written by sacha | 10:03 |
| kanzure | so i emailed | 10:03 |
| fenn | i should re-learn emacs | 10:03 |
| fenn | i think i was traumatized by the double whammy of lisp and slime and never recovered | 10:04 |
| kanzure | did you look at the additive manufacturing of piezocomposites pdf that gene_hacker mentioned? | 10:05 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/ultrasound/Ultrasound%20transducer%20array%20fabrication%20based%20on%20additive%20manufacturing%20of%20piezocomposites.pdf | 10:06 |
| fenn | yes, briefly | 10:06 |
| kanzure | dice-and-fill is probably more practical as long as you don't need 25 micron cuts (where am i going to get a tiny cutting machine?) | 10:07 |
| fenn | does evernote actually work on handwriting or is it a scam? | 10:07 |
| kanzure | i think JayDugger1 might use evernote, he might know | 10:07 |
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| fenn | productivity books are so popular because it makes you feel like you're the sort of person that can be productive http://sachachua.com/blog/?s=backlog | 10:30 |
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| fenn | geesh you'd think wiktionary.org would run a dictd server | 10:41 |
| catern | fenn: wow, i've never heard of this DICT protocol | 10:48 |
| catern | interesting, I guess? useful? | 10:48 |
| fenn | the command "dict" uses it. i'd rather have local dictionary files actually | 10:52 |
| fenn | but right now i dont feel like figuring out how to run my own dictd server | 10:52 |
| fenn | yay client-server architecture :( | 10:52 |
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| fenn | i sorta wish there were a summary mode with a -v flag to get all the etymology and explanatory prose that normally just floods the terminal and then you have to scroll up to see the definition | 10:54 |
| fenn | anyway it's a standard dictionary format, and that's useful | 10:55 |
| catern | this dict command is pretty helpful, I guess | 10:58 |
| catern | didn't know about it | 10:58 |
| catern | but disk is cheap now so the networked aspect is unnecessary | 10:59 |
| catern | oh, this is from 1997 though | 10:59 |
| catern | well, then it was never necessary??? | 10:59 |
| fenn | it may never have been necessary | 11:00 |
| fenn | dictzip is interesting, random-access gunzip | 11:01 |
| fenn | english wiktionary is about 130MB compressed so i can see not wanting to download that, but all the dict-* dictionaries are only 32MB | 11:10 |
| FourFire | fenn with only text?? | 11:15 |
| fenn | well it does have almost 4 million entries | 11:17 |
| fenn | apparently 'kaizen' is an english word now | 11:18 |
| fenn | .d kaizen | 11:18 |
| yoleaux | kaizen (/kʌɪˈzɛn/): n. A Japanese business philosophy of continuous improvement of working practices, personal efficiency, etc. — http://is.gd/7JAyTg | 11:18 |
| fenn | that was from oxford dictionary | 11:18 |
| fenn | but wiktionary also has translations of other languages' words to english (this is not included in the 130MB figure) | 11:19 |
| fenn | addendum: turns out installing dictd and dictionaries was just apt-get install dict dictd-* | 11:20 |
| fenn | function dict() { /usr/bin/dict $@ | less ;} | 11:21 |
| Urchin | kaizen was invented by a westerner, ironically | 11:22 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://arxiv.org/abs/1309.7979 | 11:26 |
| kanzure | .title | 11:26 |
| yoleaux | [1309.7979] When does a physical system compute? | 11:26 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/When%20does%20a%20physical%20system%20compute%3F.pdf | 11:26 |
| fenn | "what is real?" | 11:30 |
| kanzure | you're only saying that because you're off poking at words | 11:30 |
| fenn | i'm only saying it because i studied alchemy a little | 11:31 |
| kanzure | .ety dawg | 11:31 |
| yoleaux | dawg (n.): "colloquial for dog, attested from 1898." — http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=dawg | 11:31 |
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| fenn | .ety werd | 11:36 |
| yoleaux | Sorry, I couldn't find the etymology of that. | 11:36 |
| fenn | i'm shocked and appalled | 11:36 |
| fenn | .d werd | 11:36 |
| yoleaux | Sorry, I couldn't find a definition for 'werd'. | 11:36 |
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| fenn | .wik WERD | 11:40 |
| yoleaux | "WERD was the first radio station owned and programmed by African Americans. The station was established in Atlanta, Georgia on October 3, 1949." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WERD | 11:40 |
| fenn | from now on i will only abuse the bot in the closet | 11:44 |
| fenn | woah this cheap air purifier has an airflow sensor and speed controller | 11:49 |
| justanotheruser | .wik hplusroadmap | 11:51 |
| yoleaux | justanotheruser: Sorry, I couldn't find article. | 11:51 |
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| fenn | what would happen if you made the most insecure internet-connected computer possible? such that anyone could run any code on it to do anything at all? | 12:10 |
| fenn | obviously it would attract spammers and crackers and so on, and perhaps it would crash and burn | 12:11 |
| fenn | it seems like these could be fixed in a general way that doesn't require registration or proof of citizenship or whatever | 12:12 |
| fenn | you could install an OS with access controls, but then someone could just delete it | 12:13 |
| fenn | it could be monetized by watching what people do with it (like twitter's firehose, hardware-level profiling/dumping) | 12:14 |
| fenn | i can't figure out if this is an insane idea or not | 12:15 |
| dingo | http://www.honeynet.org/ | 12:17 |
| dingo | the trick is to just use warm-ready VM's and a tunneling/switching system | 12:18 |
| dingo | and large IP networks | 12:18 |
| dingo | somebdoyw ants port 139? ok, let me point you to a windows machine | 12:18 |
| dingo | you can even go "Oh, this is a WinXP exploit, let me point you to one of those" | 12:18 |
| dingo | let them do their business, record it all, then rewind to the last spnapshot | 12:18 |
| dingo | theres a whole book written about it | 12:19 |
| fenn | you're presupposing they want to do nefarious things and are assuming it's a computer they're breaking into | 12:19 |
| dingo | and organizations and networks and computers dedicated to it | 12:19 |
| fenn | what i'm talking about is literally the most insecure OS possible | 12:19 |
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| dingo | they have that for linux for training courses | 12:20 |
| dingo | a linux with every possible vulnerable version of everything running | 12:20 |
| dingo | insecure linux, if i recall | 12:20 |
| fenn | no, no, no, forget i said anything about security | 12:20 |
| fenn | okay, there's a computer on the internet | 12:20 |
| fenn | it downloads everything and runs everything it sees | 12:20 |
| dingo | ok i'll just forget i even engaged in this conversation hahaha | 12:20 |
| dingo | cu | 12:20 |
| fenn | you connect to it, it does whatever you want | 12:20 |
| dingo | they do that too | 12:20 |
| dingo | http://www.amazon.com/Virtual-Honeypots-Tracking-Intrusion-Detection/dp/0321336321 | 12:21 |
| dingo | what you're talking about is somewhere around the 2nd half of this book | 12:21 |
| dingo | niels provos is pretty good guy | 12:21 |
| dingo | you might know him from openssh | 12:21 |
| fenn | ok | 12:22 |
| dingo | http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/provos/ | 12:22 |
| fenn | so where can i find one of these honeypots? | 12:22 |
| fenn | i mean, it shouldn't be hidden, to be useful | 12:22 |
| fenn | i guess i'm wondering if the end result is it gets blacklisted from the rest of the internet, or something interesting happens | 12:23 |
| fenn | s/if/whether/ | 12:24 |
| dingo | they use unallocated IP's specificly for this purpose | 12:24 |
| dingo | https://www.team-cymru.org/Services/darknets.html | 12:24 |
| fenn | "Any packet that enters a Darknet is by its presence aberrant. No legitimate packets should be sent to a Darknet. Such packets may have arrived by mistake or misconfiguration, but the majority of such packets are sent by malware. This malware, actively scanning for vulnerable devices, will send packets into the Darknet, and this is exactly what we want." | 12:25 |
| fenn | that's not what i'm talking about | 12:25 |
| fenn | this isn't a "dark" computer, it's a voracious code-executing promiscuous system | 12:26 |
| dingo | well read provos's book and just e-mail him | 12:26 |
| dingo | http://old.honeynet.org/papers/virtual/ | 12:27 |
| fenn | "The adversary initiates an SSH scan against the IP range 66.252.*. The scan finishes after about three minutes. Don’t worry: Our control mechanisms prevented any harm to other machines." see that's fucking lame | 12:33 |
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| kanzure | public access unhoney pots | 12:35 |
| kanzure | aka the public restroom of the cloud | 12:35 |
| kanzure | does ec2's free tier count? | 12:36 |
| fenn | ec2 is sandboxed per-user so no. also, it has lots of legal EULA restrictions and probably requires a credit card or something like that | 12:39 |
| fenn | if you're guaranteed to get some amount of CPU and RAM and DISK and IO and NET there's nothing that differentiates it from regular computing | 12:40 |
| fenn | which is sort of the point of ec2 | 12:40 |
| fenn | i'm glad they have a free tier, otherwise it would be hard for people like me to justify starting to use it | 12:42 |
| fenn | " Spot Instances allow customers to bid on unused Amazon EC2 capacity and run those instances for as long as their bid exceeds the current Spot Price. The Spot Price changes periodically based on supply and demand" this is the sort of weird emergent behavior i'm interested in | 12:44 |
| fenn | but they've tamed and refined and commoditized it | 12:45 |
| fenn | i.e. you can't sabotage another user's processes to gain CPU time | 12:45 |
| fenn | the point of all this i guess, if your system works successfully in this environment, then we can get rid of security (and the illusion of security) for the most part | 12:46 |
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| fenn | in summary, the defining feature is that the root password is always blank | 12:50 |
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| fenn | Running an open proxy is a high risk for the server operator; providing an anonymous proxy server can cause real legal troubles to the owner.[citation needed] | 12:55 |
| fenn | huh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetLab is a group of computers available as a testbed for computer networking and distributed systems research. .. composed of 1090 nodes at 507 sites worldwide. Each research project has a "slice", or virtual machine access to a subset of the nodes. Accounts are limited to persons affiliated with corporations and universities that host PlanetLab nodes. | 12:57 |
| fenn | However, a number of free, public services have been deployed on PlanetLab, including CoDeeN, the Coral Content Distribution Network, and Open DHT. | 12:57 |
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| FourFire | "<fenn> woah this cheap air purifier has an airflow sensor and speed controller" fen do you have an emergency bag? | 13:02 |
| fenn | what do you mean emergency bag? | 13:03 |
| fenn | i have an everyday carry backpack with a few choice bits of gear, and a camping backpack for longer-term wilderness survival | 13:04 |
| fenn | i'm currently re-partitioning stuff, optimizing for weight http://fennetic.net/irc/backpack_items | 13:04 |
| fenn | there's more in the camping bag i haven't added yet | 13:05 |
| fenn | FourFire: the air purifier is a desktop fan thingy for pollen allergies, not a gas mask | 13:12 |
| FourFire | dingo, http://xkcd.com/350/ | 13:13 |
| FourFire | fenn same thing | 13:13 |
| fenn | uh, no. gas masks (should) have multiple carbon filters, check valves, a well fitting seal around the face... | 13:14 |
| kanzure | planetlab proxies suck | 13:15 |
| kanzure | if the future is unevenly distributed, then what's the actual distribution? | 13:15 |
| fenn | you can get carbon filters for this but then it doesn't have a particulate filter, and vice versa. also it doesn't go on your face | 13:15 |
| fenn | kanzure: everything is in the bay area, singapore, and a boat off the shore of denmark | 13:16 |
| FourFire | fenn I was asking on an unrelated note, I realize that an air purifier is an appliance | 13:16 |
| FourFire | but I see you do, do you have a lifestraw? | 13:16 |
| fenn | no, i think it's stupid | 13:17 |
| FourFire | why? | 13:17 |
| fenn | "here just lean your face over this rushing torrent of freezing water with a slippery mud bank" | 13:17 |
| kanzure | fenn: that's not just uneven, that's (some geometrical term that is shocking) | 13:17 |
| fenn | the future is geometrically distributed | 13:18 |
| kanzure | unreasonably-highly-clustered | 13:18 |
| FourFire | fenn, how else would you drink? | 13:18 |
| kanzure | in particular, i think that there are irc nerds that have future tech laying around, but they may not be in those geographic areas | 13:18 |
| fenn | .wik geometric distribution | 13:18 |
| yoleaux | "In probability theory and statistics, the geometric distribution is either of two discrete probability distributions:" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_distribution | 13:18 |
| FourFire | fill a vessel and you could just as easily drink with the straw from that | 13:19 |
| fenn | FourFire: either fill the sawyer squeeze pouch with dirty water and drink from the filter, or fill my camelback and use the sawyer inline | 13:19 |
| kanzure | asking about the distribution of the future means that you can focus on future stuff that exists now, independent of things like "how much money it is making in the bay area" (because by definition that is less futurey, right?) | 13:19 |
| FourFire | maybe waterborne parasites aren't as big a thing where you live | 13:19 |
| kanzure | if you have maximum penetration of a product, that can't possibly be considered an unevenly distributed portion of "future" | 13:19 |
| fenn | kanzure: that's what you call "outliers" | 13:20 |
| kanzure | yes, well, those are the distribution points that are more interesting | 13:20 |
| fenn | see that long tail on the geometric distribution | 13:20 |
| gradstudentbot | Did you do that pset? | 13:20 |
| * fenn stares at gradstudentbot skeptically | 13:21 | |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, but his project was so easy. | 13:21 |
| kanzure | i wonder if the outliers actually have a pattern | 13:21 |
| kanzure | obviously it can't be completely random ("some dude turned 14 and then decided he had an insight about some esoteric portion of high energy particle physics that he's never heard of ") | 13:21 |
| fenn | kanzure: something merely existing and being used by some people does not mean it will become popular or even continue to exist (see e.g. google reader, betamax, jazzercise) | 13:23 |
| kanzure | i dunno if popularity matters for the uneven distribution of future theory | 13:23 |
| kanzure | continued existence i also don't know about- it makes sense that we can be more advanced in the past but lost information | 13:24 |
| fenn | yeah kk points out that technologies never really die, they just become legacy technologies | 13:24 |
| kanzure | popularity only matters if your definition of "the future is already here" means "it's already popular" | 13:24 |
| kanzure | it becomes legacy even if nobody is using it at all, anywhere, ever? | 13:25 |
| fenn | apparently that never happens | 13:25 |
| * kanzure scratches his head | 13:25 | |
| fenn | weird isn't it | 13:25 |
| fenn | and yes, even if nobody is using it at all, anywhere, the plans to re-make it are still lying around | 13:26 |
| fenn | see for example the up-goer five | 13:26 |
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| fenn | FourFire: supposedly 4 drops of bleach will purify a gallon of water. i should probably look into that as backup for if the sawyer breaks/gets lost | 13:28 |
| kanzure | "If phone ships with Siri, return immediately: do not speak to her and ignore any instructions she gives. Do not remove lead casing. If you experience sudden tingling, nausea, or vomiting, perform a factory reset immediately. Avert eyes while replacing battery. Under certain circumstances, wireless transmitter may control God." | 13:29 |
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| fenn | bleach goes bad but i have some crystalline ammonium persulfate (need to research this) | 13:29 |
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| fenn | alternative speed of light simulation would be really cool | 13:33 |
| kanzure | "Studies: Blood from young mice reverses aging in old mice" alright everyone, lock up your kids, the hordes are coming | 13:33 |
| fenn | you didn't hear about that? | 13:33 |
| fenn | there was speculation that young people could make decent cash just by being tethered to some geezer for a couple weeks | 13:34 |
| fenn | also, it appears to refute the damage theory of aging | 13:34 |
| fenn | including telomere theory and oxidative damage | 13:34 |
| fenn | really a very interesting data point | 13:35 |
| fenn | i hope it doesn't fall apart on further inspection | 13:35 |
| kanzure | is blood stored in blood banks with age information? i assume they have to track stuff, to backtrace whoever gave them HIV. | 13:36 |
| fenn | you need to have systemic circulation for a few weeks, not just "a bag o bloood" | 13:36 |
| fenn | it's hypothesized that hormones generated by the young cells are signalling through the blood to older cells in the other mouse | 13:36 |
| kanzure | hehe mobile app cowboyism is eating up news.google.com http://jmarbach.com/google-news-growth-hack-exposed | 13:37 |
| fenn | spam by any other name | 13:37 |
| FourFire | kanzure, something to do with floaty stem cells in the blood stream? | 13:38 |
| fenn | paperbot: get the paper with the mouse and the other mouse | 13:39 |
| fenn | come on stupid bot! | 13:39 |
| kanzure | try turning him on and off again | 13:39 |
| kanzure | http://vrt-blog.snort.org/2014/05/anatomy-of-exploit-cve-2014-1776.html | 13:40 |
| kanzure | "Once we decoded the shellcode, we found it was also xored. The end result is that the shellcode calls out to download a page from inform.bedircati.com. Our data indicates our customers were targeted by this attack beginning Thursday, April 24, 2014. According to our cloud web security data we've seen a small number of companies along the manufacturing and industrial vertical targeted. The initial samples were directed at specific users by ... | 13:41 |
| kanzure | ... name, but, as the attack progressed, this did not stay consistent with some attempts starting simply with "Hi" or "Greetings"." | 13:41 |
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| fenn | where does the RC4 encryption key live? | 13:43 |
| kanzure | looks like it was stored in the swf | 13:44 |
| fenn | i mean, why encrypt something alongside its key? | 13:44 |
| fenn | is this what they teach in hacker school these days | 13:44 |
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| fenn | "the riaa does it so it must be legit" | 13:44 |
| kanzure | because there's a bunch of "security experts" that are not good | 13:44 |
| kanzure | so you can buy a bunch of time | 13:44 |
| fenn | s/riaa/sony/ | 13:44 |
| fenn | seems like more of a liability than a service | 13:45 |
| kanzure | another reason may be that the unencrypted content is easier to detect by windows malware stuff | 13:45 |
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| fenn | oh that's more logical | 13:46 |
| fenn | when i first heard about viruses mutating in the wild i thought it might turn into something | 13:47 |
| kanzure | http://www.unibas.ch/index.cfm?uuid=E11708E2A1B6CA17E9F30BEA67B66F72&show_long=1 "Forschende der Universität Basel haben künstliche Organellen hergestellt, die den Abbau von giftigen Sauerstoffverbindungen unterstützen können." | 13:48 |
| kanzure | i think this is the artificial peroxisome stuff | 13:48 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/nl401215n | 13:48 |
| kanzure | .title | 13:48 |
| yoleaux | Aiding Nature’s Organelles: Artificial Peroxisomes Play Their Role | 13:48 |
| fenn | but apparently the "mutation" isn't very powerful, just changing around some pre-defined regions to match data it finds (like those snails that cover themselves with camouflage) | 13:48 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Aiding%20Natures%20Organelles%3A%20Artificial%20Peroxisomes%20Play%20Their%20Role.txt | 13:48 |
| fenn | it's a text file? | 13:49 |
| kanzure | paperbot uses the paper's title as the filename if it knows the name of the paper | 13:49 |
| kanzure | otherwise it uses a random hash | 13:49 |
| fenn | about that random hash... why is it so long? | 13:50 |
| kanzure | no reason | 13:50 |
| kanzure | 80% of paperbot was written between 1 am and 4 am once upon a time | 13:51 |
| fenn | why dont people just use incrementing integers anymore? | 13:51 |
| kanzure | and therefore is mostly shit | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i didn't want to have to figure out the previous integer | 13:51 |
| fenn | so many awful urls now | 13:52 |
| kanzure | that's not the worst part about paperbot | 13:52 |
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| kanzure | it gets worse | 13:52 |
| fenn | i've seen | 13:53 |
| fenn | auto-generated auto-generated code | 13:53 |
| fenn | that has then been hand-edited by someone who obviously didn't know what they were doing | 13:53 |
| kanzure | fucking librarians | 13:54 |
| fenn | paperbot: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/nl401215n | 13:55 |
| fenn | a promising pause | 13:55 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/7704809f87510dcb8d4ace090d09dc44.pdf | 13:55 |
| kanzure | most of the mess we're in is because librarians were too scared to do anything | 13:55 |
| fenn | yeah no shit | 13:55 |
| kanzure | or stand up for themselves etc | 13:56 |
| kanzure | "SURE, loot all of our best academic libraries, WHY NOT" | 13:56 |
| kanzure | "we're just happy that someone is noticing us" | 13:56 |
| fenn | the denial is so ingrained now that they actually think they're doing the right thing by caving in to ridiculous copyright laws and bullying | 13:56 |
| fenn | like why is there no "union of libraries" | 13:57 |
| kanzure | oclc was going to be that i think | 13:58 |
| fenn | oclc was just a book catalog | 13:58 |
| fenn | they couldn't even do that right | 13:58 |
| kanzure | "so many book ontologies! how ever will we survive" | 13:58 |
| fenn | i mean seriously? someone just took all your voluntary contributions and locked them up? | 13:58 |
| fenn | and then you let it happen again? and again? | 13:59 |
| fenn | what the hell are they teaching in library sciences | 13:59 |
| fenn | let me guess, nobody was willing to publish your thesis "how to unionize librarians" | 14:00 |
| fenn | "The Union Library Workers blog is a project of the Progressive Librarians Guild (PLG), an organization devoted to the open exchange of radical views on library and information issues." | 14:02 |
| fenn | let's see just how radical these progressives are | 14:02 |
| fenn | "Michigan State University recently began offering courses previously offered at the National Labor College, which is slated for closure this year. This decision could mean the university will be faced with a $500,000 penalty after the state Senate has decided to ban public universities from offering courses that promote or discourage union organizing. .. No Comments" | 14:03 |
| FourFire | autogenerated autogenerated code?? | 14:03 |
| fenn | don't make me repeat myself | 14:04 |
| FourFire | that sounds scary | 14:04 |
| fenn | "Wages for the library's part-time workers are at the forefront of the negotiations, with the town demanding increases for part-time wokers' wages be offset by reductions in full-time workers' benefits and wages." | 14:04 |
| fenn | and so on | 14:05 |
| fenn | apparently doing anything about actually fulfilling the library's mission is unimportant | 14:06 |
| fenn | why should i care about artificial peroxisomes | 14:08 |
| kanzure | something about bubbles | 14:21 |
| kanzure | or organelles | 14:21 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peroxisome | 14:22 |
| kanzure | i like the foggy black/white image | 14:22 |
| kanzure | "this glowing grey blob is proof" | 14:22 |
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| fenn | i guess they are showing that they cluster during mitosis to prevent accidental dna damage | 14:23 |
| fenn | normally a peroxisome can just eat whatever it wants and the cell can regenerate that | 14:24 |
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| kanzure | blah i should order one of those DSPs | 14:36 |
| kanzure | or write a simulator thing (or find one?) | 14:37 |
| kanzure | is there going to be a dsp devkit, and is that the one i should order | 14:37 |
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| juri_ | fenn: what was the point of libraries again? | 14:44 |
| juri_ | please pardon my ignorance, i come from a red state. | 14:45 |
| fenn | to provide access to knowledge | 14:49 |
| fenn | and in america specifically, provide it to everyone | 14:49 |
| fenn | my point was that there's no "union of libraries" fighting back against the publishers paywalling off of everything and charging exhorbitant fees | 14:50 |
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| fenn | where most of what the libraries pay for is access to things they (or their parent institution) contributed in the first palce | 14:51 |
| juri_ | yea, all my memories of libraries were them locking everyone out of the internet, and forcing them to use computers to look up books in some proprietary bibliography. | 14:51 |
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| fenn | that's not even the issue | 14:52 |
| fenn | the issue is that you can't just download that paper about artificial peroxisomes | 14:52 |
| sheena | anyon here know javascript | 14:52 |
| sheena | orwhere kanzure went? :D | 14:52 |
| juri_ | "provide access to knowlege" != "shut down the internet" | 14:52 |
| juri_ | where i'm from, the libraries, instead of being public internet terminals, were fighting the internet tooth and nail. | 14:53 |
| * fenn shrugs | 14:53 | |
| fenn | there are other sources of internet | 14:53 |
| * sheena feels neglected | 14:53 | |
| fenn | sheena: don't ask to ask just ask | 14:54 |
| sheena | function wordwrap( str, width, brk, cut ) { | 14:54 |
| sheena | 14:54 | |
| sheena | brk = brk || '<wbr />'; | 14:54 |
| sheena | width = width || 100; | 14:54 |
| sheena | cut = cut || false; | 14:54 |
| sheena | 14:54 | |
| sheena | if (!str) { return str; } | 14:54 |
| sheena | 14:54 | |
| sheena | var regex = '.{1,' +width+ '}(\\s|$)' + (cut ? '|.{' +width+ '}|.+$' : '|\\S+?(\\s|$)'); | 14:54 |
| sheena | help? | 14:54 |
| fenn | what is the problem exactly? | 14:55 |
| fenn | why is width in there twice | 14:56 |
| gradstudentbot | Argh, what do you mean you don't accept LaTeX submissions?? | 14:57 |
| fenn | walk me thru this regex | 14:59 |
| fenn | any character, 1 to width times, and then space or end of line | 14:59 |
| fenn | if cut is defined (?) i don't know what that question mark does | 15:01 |
| fenn | is that ternary syntax | 15:02 |
| sheena | i dont know what | 15:03 |
| sheena | || does, but i figured that out now | 15:03 |
| sheena | http://james.padolsey.com/javascript/wordwrap-for-javascript/ | 15:03 |
| fenn | ok. if cut then the regex continues: any character width number of times, or end of line. else if not cut: a word then (a space or end of line) | 15:04 |
| fenn | the foo = foo || bar just sets the default value of foo to bar | 15:05 |
| sheena | i dont understand your message starting with ok. if | 15:06 |
| sheena | can you expand? | 15:06 |
| fenn | cut ? foo : bar evaluates foo if cut is true, otherwise it evaluates bar | 15:06 |
| sheena | ok.that makse sense | 15:06 |
| fenn | this is called ternary syntax and it's generally considered bad form because it's hard to read | 15:06 |
| sheena | but im still not clear on how the program is word wrapping | 15:07 |
| sheena | do you have a betteer way to word wrap js? :D | 15:07 |
| sheena | that isnt bad form? | 15:07 |
| sheena | i dont really understand regexp stuff either ;S | 15:07 |
| gradstudentbot | You used the wrong formula. | 15:07 |
| fenn | first of all, isn't that the presentation layer's job? | 15:07 |
| fenn | i mean CSS display: block | 15:08 |
| sheena | me? | 15:08 |
| fenn | sheena: why do you want to do word wrap in javascript? | 15:08 |
| sheena | because i like this wrapping to happen in js. | 15:08 |
| fenn | okay a more straightforward way might be to push your words onto a list, then count the number of letters that have accumulated and then join the list back into a string | 15:09 |
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| sheena | there are very many words... ? | 15:10 |
| sheena | many many many | 15:10 |
| fenn | you only push as many fit into a single line | 15:11 |
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| fenn | oh i left out a key phrase, sorry. 'join the list back into a string when the number of letters is greater than the desired line length' | 15:11 |
| jrayhawk | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html is my favorite regex specifically because of the insanity of putting logical control flow inside a regex | 15:12 |
| fenn | String.prototype.split (separator, limit) | 15:13 |
| fenn | Splits a String object into an array of strings by separating the string into substrings | 15:13 |
| sheena | hm | 15:13 |
| sheena | im not sure i know how to do this in js/ | 15:13 |
| fenn | i'm not even a beginner at js but i imagine this could do wrapping directly like so: var foo="lotsawords" ; lines=foo.split("\n", line length) (assuming you want to keep newlines that already exist) | 15:15 |
| fenn | vroom vroom *fires up chrome V8 console* | 15:16 |
| fenn | okay that didn't work | 15:18 |
| sheena | lol right | 15:19 |
| sheena | also i think th eproblem is more about pasing the right variable to my wordwrapper than it ist he actual word wrapper | 15:20 |
| sheena | :( | 15:20 |
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