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| --- Day changed Fri May 16 2014 | ||
| kanzure | "yes i'd like to test your industrial nuclear submarine please?" | 00:00 |
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| @fenn | one long march sample please | 00:00 |
| QuantumG | that whole thing where you meet at the junk yard and say "where's the drugs?" and they're like "where's the money?".. that happens every day in the business world. | 00:00 |
| kanzure | huh? | 00:00 |
| kanzure | that's payment at time of delivery | 00:00 |
| @fenn | and then you throw the briefcases on 3 and everyone shoots everyone else | 00:01 |
| kanzure | see, this is why i know parkour | 00:01 |
| kanzure | night | 00:01 |
| @fenn | so you can swoop in and grab the briefcases after everyone is mostly dead? | 00:01 |
| @fenn | well they have to teach something in business school | 00:02 |
| @fenn | sheena have they identified the genetic markers which make certain dog breeds more "intelligent" or trainable? | 00:03 |
| @fenn | markers is the wrong word.. uh. causal genetic factors | 00:03 |
| sheena | no | 00:05 |
| @fenn | is there even a consensus that some breeds are easier to train than others? | 00:05 |
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| sheena | depends on task | 00:06 |
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| sheena | night | 00:07 |
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| @fenn | the difference between cleverpet and simon is (besides the treat dispenser) it logs data to a remote server where it can be analyzed. this could potentially contribute a lot of scientific data to the field of canine and feline intelligence and genetics | 00:34 |
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| JayDugger | Cleverpet? Simon? | 01:08 |
| @fenn | wow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shetland_Sheepdog7.jpg | 01:12 |
| @fenn | "A bi-blue Shetland Sheepdog with the merling gene. May have blue eyes." | 01:14 |
| @fenn | the Sean Connery of dogs | 01:20 |
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| Vutral | blood agar | 01:53 |
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| sheena | ugh merle genetics suck | 07:28 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, TIL clock was a roboot! He was non-participatory is one thing which made me question | 08:31 |
| delinquentme | but at the same time I believe he quoted me :D | 08:31 |
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| delinquentme | On finding either A) a sufficient number of protocols to get their desired yield or B) A protocol with sufficient resolution they believe the desired yield to be fairly certain ... Is there some kind of rule-of-thumb for knowing when you're there? | 08:33 |
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| catern | he seems pretty lucid in my logs | 08:44 |
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| QuantumG | Good evening. This window was left open by my spouse. Am I late to the party? | 09:12 |
| QuantumG | Convert me, recruit me, send me things I might find interesting to read. I dare you. | 09:13 |
| QuantumG | Oh. I see. | 09:15 |
| superkuh | I'm confused. You're QuantumG's spouse? | 09:16 |
| QuantumG | I am indeed. | 09:16 |
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| QuantumG | Please don't tell me he's been conducting some fabulous gay affair on irc while we've been doing whatever in reality. Gosh. | 09:16 |
| QuantumG | (Yah, I'm the spouse. Call me Cheese if you like.) | 09:17 |
| delinquentme | QuantumG, convincing you would assume that its optional | 09:17 |
| delinquentme | ( OMGZ TAKEOVAR ) | 09:17 |
| QuantumG | OMG LIEK WTF it is 2:18am here, mr qg is fast asleep. | 09:18 |
| QuantumG | Mrs QG is the nightowl. | 09:18 |
| QuantumG | Shalll I change the nick for clarity? I'm not sure of the guidelines in this particular space. | 09:19 |
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| Cheesesource | Awww yeah. | 09:19 |
| catern | Cheesesource: ooh, ooh, what other channels is he in? | 09:20 |
| Cheesesource | That's a loaded question | 09:20 |
| Cheesesource | On this monitor we've got IRC (only this #), the cam feed from the front door and twitter. Work monitor resting, rec monitor paused on a forum screen. | 09:21 |
| Cheesesource | At present the cat does NOT want to come in. | 09:21 |
| Cheesesource | That's the most important thing to note from his current display. | 09:21 |
| Cheesesource | Cat rules all. | 09:21 |
| Cheesesource | Enough about this space, what happens in your space? | 09:22 |
| kanzure | Cheesesource: your husband is living a double life fighting the demons of the internet | 09:23 |
| Cheesesource | Don't tell me you're a single monitor, single user household with no sexy spouse, no awesome pets, no significant dreams for a better world. I'd be so disappointed. | 09:23 |
| Cheesesource | kazure: au contraire, that is why I married him.. | 09:24 |
| kanzure | he told us stories of your epic struggle against leaf blowers | 09:24 |
| Cheesesource | We fight together. | 09:24 |
| Cheesesource | He knows nothing of my midnight crusades against these people. | 09:25 |
| Cheesesource | That is my secret. The less he knows, the less he suffers! | 09:25 |
| Cheesesource | (Meh, I just steal buds from plants in their gardens. Our garden looks AWESOME thanks to jerks and their leafblowers) | 09:26 |
| Cheesesource | (I have to be reasonably intoxicated at 3am on nights with a full moon (enough light) for this to happen.) | 09:26 |
| Cheesesource | So HI! Have I contributed enough to your channel logs yet? | 09:27 |
| kanzure | yes you hvae filled up the entropy meters | 09:27 |
| kanzure | looks like openworm is going to fall short of their $100k goal: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openworm/openworm-a-digital-organism-in-your-browser | 09:28 |
| chris_99 | awh shame | 09:29 |
| Cheesesource | Hrm. existenz flashbacks. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/ | 09:31 |
| Cheesesource | An ambitious goal, without the backing. | 09:32 |
| kanzure | they already wrote most of the code, i can't remember why they want more money | 09:32 |
| Cheesesource | Because money. Duh. | 09:32 |
| Cheesesource | Sorry, I'm a coder with intense desire for luxury items. | 09:33 |
| chris_99 | do they plan on doing comparisons with actual c. elegans (sp?) | 09:33 |
| Cheesesource | Money is awesome. It has nothing to do with project outcomes. | 09:33 |
| kanzure | i was only commenting on your "without the backing" comment-- they have already achieved most of their goals i think | 09:33 |
| superkuh | At least the ISEE-3 recovery crowdfunding went through. | 09:34 |
| Cheesesource | In the video on the kickstarter page they bothered to take the 'co-founder' to an ocean background: they want your money, this is all show, this is dream-like, give us your cash. | 09:34 |
| kanzure | oh, that's because lars0n is trying to hide his extreme nerdery | 09:35 |
| Cheesesource | At this point it's all about dream, nothing about reality. A large portion of contributors have never seen the ocean. | 09:35 |
| Cheesesource | I see his extreme nerdery. I love extreme nerdery. I made it a hobby several years ago. | 09:36 |
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| Cheesesource | Like a violinist dying to show her talents despite being stuck in a wheelchair, many people have talents hidden behind social stigmas. | 09:37 |
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| Cheesesource | ...I just started watching the video. I apologise for everything I've said on the subject. Fuck this dude, he's an idiot. | 09:38 |
| Cheesesource | (Raised on TNG. Ooops.) | 09:39 |
| kanzure | you seem to be bored, have some things to play with: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/ https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer | 09:39 |
| Cheesesource | Oooh. | 09:39 |
| Cheesesource | I would, but this isn't my machine. | 09:39 |
| Cheesesource | I was only passing by to turn off the light in this office. My office is somewhere else in the house. | 09:40 |
| Cheesesource | Except it's very very late friday night, and I'm very very drunk at this point in the evening. | 09:41 |
| Cheesesource | It's my job to maintain the house, wear makeup, love him all the way to the bottom of the jar (tm) and understand what he's talking about since I'm also an engineer. | 09:42 |
| Cheesesource | Aaaand despite being highly intoxicated, I'm also verbose. | 09:43 |
| kanzure | biologists are not always good for your health | 09:44 |
| Cheesesource | I just can't keep up. | 09:45 |
| Cheesesource | It's a bit strange that they didn't let him into the labs, given his field. | 09:46 |
| kanzure | they are territorial | 09:46 |
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| Cheesesource | Seriously, no commercial application there. HA! | 09:48 |
| Cheesesource | It mad me sad, they were legit and useful. Alas, I'm only a software engineer. What do I know? | 09:49 |
| Cheesesource | (from what I understand, this is true hproadmap stuff) | 09:51 |
| kanzure | we have been known to engage in various levels of mad science | 09:51 |
| kanzure | so, yes | 09:51 |
| Cheesesource | I appreciate and encourage mad science. | 09:51 |
| Cheesesource | I'd offer you vodka, but I'm a miser. | 09:52 |
| Cheesesource | Since I'm new here, is there a crossover between this group and libertarians? | 09:52 |
| Cheesesource | On my campus, the libertarians are the group that imbibe with the most enthusiasm. | 09:54 |
| kanzure | i don't think we have anything explicitly libertarian, | 09:54 |
| kanzure | most of hplusroadmap technology is more like the word liberation, as in enabling, rather than political | 09:55 |
| Cheesesource | Neat. That means I won't have to endure the weekly quiz. | 09:55 |
| kanzure | all of the libertarians i know are latched on to bitcoin these days | 09:56 |
| Cheesesource | That's a relief. The libertarians I met were certainly agenda-driven. | 09:56 |
| Cheesesource | I love my bitcoins. | 09:56 |
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| Cheesesource | Alas, i do not love the bitcoins I lost in the mt gox tragedy recently. | 09:56 |
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| kanzure | well, you can always make it up with dogecoin | 09:57 |
| Cheesesource | er... | 09:57 |
| Cheesesource | not really. | 09:57 |
| kanzure | heh :) | 09:57 |
| Cheesesource | Given the amount I'd invested, the amount I lost. | 09:57 |
| Cheesesource | Seriously | 09:58 |
| Cheesesource | You'd cry if you saw the numbers. | 09:58 |
| Cheesesource | I've got faith in ridiculous internet shit. Occasionally it pays off. | 09:58 |
| Cheesesource | And sometimes, it just makes you cry. | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.rebeccablacktech.com%2Fboards%2Fg%2Fimg%2F0403%2F21%2F1392470527900.jpg&t=539&c=awfA2ozpvHRjyw | 09:59 |
| Cheesesource | mtgox? Tears upon tears upon tears. | 09:59 |
| Cheesesource | Um. | 09:59 |
| kanzure | i may have enough bitcoins to offset your loss | 09:59 |
| Cheesesource | I'm pleased that you do :) | 10:00 |
| kanzure | that was a half-meant offer | 10:00 |
| Cheesesource | I only 'invested' that which I could spare at the time, so I'm not at a loss. | 10:00 |
| Cheesesource | It was one of those zeitgeist things. Say you did so you could say you did, etc. | 10:01 |
| Cheesesource | Oh, I'd never ask anyone to comp my fun :) | 10:02 |
| Cheesesource | and fun it was, I traded and traded and traded, I did quite well until that monster shut down on me. Bah! | 10:02 |
| Cheesesource | Are your investments holding well? | 10:03 |
| kanzure | have you heard the human expression, "laughing all the way to the bank"? | 10:03 |
| Cheesesource | I'm extremely pleased to hear that someone is. | 10:04 |
| Cheesesource | genuinely :D | 10:04 |
| kanzure | .ety laughing all the way to the bank | 10:04 |
| yoleaux | Sorry, I couldn't find the etymology of that. | 10:04 |
| Cheesesource | "doing extremely well to the point of extreme success" | 10:05 |
| Cheesesource | yoleaux: are you human or a bot? | 10:05 |
| Cheesesource | (apologies to humans) | 10:06 |
| Cheesesource | And I've just noticed QG uses firefox on this machine. Whaaaaat. | 10:06 |
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| kanzure | gradstudentbot: are you done writing that paper yet? | 10:07 |
| gradstudentbot | Right, I just finished coauthoring a related manuscript. | 10:07 |
| Cheesesource | I SAW THAT! | 10:07 |
| Cheesesource | Alas, I cannot focus my eyesight to find out what happened. I'm still typing though. WHOA! | 10:08 |
| Cheesesource | Maybe it was a HEY MY CAT IS IN THE DOORWAY | 10:09 |
| Cheesesource | Nah, just kidding. Hi! | 10:09 |
| Cheesesource | And this is why we never trust QG's wife. Agreed? | 10:09 |
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| Cheesesource | No comment. | 10:11 |
| Cheesesource | My genuine suggestion for the hproadmap thing is finding a way to block the whatever receptors that are responsible (generally) for alcohol,stimulants and depressants. Just kill it. | 10:13 |
| kanzure | i believe there is a specific allele in a gene that is responsible for preventing hangovers | 10:14 |
| Cheesesource | It won't help to have those things on space ships, colonies, new continents, or anything else. Uninformed opinion right here. | 10:14 |
| kanzure | i forget the name of the allele | 10:14 |
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| Cheesesource | Hangovers aren't the problem, as far as I can see | 10:14 |
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| kanzure | famous last words | 10:15 |
| Cheesesource | Er, unless you know who you're talking to, that is. | 10:15 |
| Cheesesource | O HAI, MEGASUPERALCOHOLFAN! | 10:15 |
| Cheesesource | addiction, escapism, injury, organ failuire. | 10:16 |
| Cheesesource | er, failure | 10:16 |
| Cheesesource | (also typos) | 10:16 |
| Cheesesource | For the little I know about the roadmap planned here, I'd pay money for the alcohol aspect to be limited in | 10:18 |
| Cheesesource | expectation of future successes. | 10:18 |
| Cheesesource | Hangovers have zero to do with it. | 10:19 |
| Cheesesource | Are you yourself an addict of any sort? Reliant on substance, prescription or otherwise? | 10:20 |
| Cheesesource | It's a big call. | 10:20 |
| Cheesesource | People will do the things they must for the things they need. | 10:21 |
| Cheesesource | If you can eliminate the need then the saying goes they'll beat a path to your door | 10:21 |
| Cheesesource | but a crack addict will not be traversing that path til their supply is exhausted. | 10:22 |
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| Cheesesource | So defines the new elite: got there first | 10:23 |
| Cheesesource | And since I've clearly board you all to death, goodnight! | 10:23 |
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| QuantumG | Bored. Oh, I've embarrassed myself with drunken shenanigans again. WOE! | 10:28 |
| QuantumG | Hey, at least didn't insult anyone directly. High five! Goodnight! | 10:29 |
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| QuantumG | </fridaynight> | 10:37 |
| delinquentme | Does anyone have a way of getting affinity columns REALLY inexpensively from GE? | 10:39 |
| QuantumG | I just checked groupon: no. | 10:42 |
| QuantumG | I'm well out of my depth on that one. I apologise. | 10:42 |
| QuantumG | (ps: synthesize synthesize synthesize!) | 10:44 |
| QuantumG | ...Anyway. Hi from an outsider. Have a lovely day. | 10:44 |
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| chris_99 | has anyone looked into building an electrolaser out of curiousity | 11:14 |
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| kanzure | 11:32 < brlcad> kanzure: wow, I'm surprised that I don't see a way to extrude a sketch other than completely manually | 12:00 |
| kanzure | 11:33 < brlcad> looks like nobody bothered to create an mk_extrude() interface | 12:00 |
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| Mokstar | Rawr! | 12:14 |
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| Mokstar | jrayhawk, you going to the meetup saturday? | 12:36 |
| kanzure | ptrac3: hi | 12:39 |
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| ptrac3 | hi kanzure | 12:41 |
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| kanzure | .title http://spin.atomicobject.com/2014/05/16/radio-system-from-scratch/ | 12:51 |
| chris_99 | did someone mention something here about implanting embryos in completely different animals | 12:51 |
| yoleaux | Setting Up a Radio System from Scratch | 12:51 |
| chris_99 | to what the embryo was | 12:51 |
| chris_99 | what's that called? | 12:52 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7757224 | 12:52 |
| kanzure | http://blog.glowingplant.com/post/85922974558/how-we-raised-484k-on-kickstarter-to-make-glowing | 12:53 |
| yoleaux | How we raised $484k on Kickstarter to make Glowing Plants | 12:53 |
| kanzure | "As part of this research we learnt that 80% of projects that get to 20% of their funding succeed, so this became a core planning goal. We realized that getting to 20% would be easier if we closed a few big backers early on so we went on the road and sold those rewards in person, sometimes giving them additional perks as part of the package. One of these was a $10k backer, Cambrian Genomics," | 12:54 |
| kanzure | wow, i was right about them dumping in their own money | 12:54 |
| kanzure | i'm not convinced that it was cambrian genomics that donated the money though. they probably did it out of their own wallet, and then got cambrian genomics to reimburse them. | 12:54 |
| kanzure | "PR Agency: We had a good conversion rate (2-8% depending on source), so figured more traffic would lead to more conversions and hired an agency that contacted us. They got a few articles but nothing compared with what we did ourselves, journalists want to talk directly to the founders you don’t need a middle man." | 12:56 |
| kanzure | an 8% conversion rate? | 12:58 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, I don't know. | 12:58 |
| ParahSailin | i thought they had to give up the kickstarter money | 12:59 |
| chris_99 | nmz787, be thee around | 13:00 |
| kanzure | nope, kickstarter did the ban after their campaign ended | 13:02 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7752528 | 13:02 |
| yoleaux | Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors | 13:02 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.liftlabsdesign.com/ | 13:02 |
| yoleaux | Tremor in Hands, Adaptive Equipment for Eating, Essential/Benign Tremor – Lift Labs | 13:02 |
| kanzure | it uses a battery? | 13:03 |
| kanzure | hah, rigorous testing: https://www.liftlabsdesign.com/img/shakerVideo.mp4 | 13:03 |
| Mokstar | why'd they ban glowing plants? | 13:17 |
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| ParahSailin | the new gluten paper was published a year ago, or is there a 2014 one | 13:18 |
| Mokstar | whaaat | 13:20 |
| Mokstar | "Projects cannot offer genetically modified organisms as a reward" | 13:20 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: thats why a sociopathic twist on the narrative | 13:20 |
| ParahSailin | quite a | 13:20 |
| ParahSailin | hm i dont see mention of the word headache in this paper | 13:24 |
| ParahSailin | i guess it was limited to people claiming GI symptoms? | 13:24 |
| kanzure | argh why is there both TopOpeBRepBuild/TopOpeBRepBuild_Builder1_1.cxx and TopOpeBRepBuild/TopOpeBRepBuild_Builder1_2.cxx | 13:32 |
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| @jrayhawk | Mokstar: LW, or something else? | 13:48 |
| Mokstar | LW | 13:48 |
| @jrayhawk | Don't know; I was planning on going climbing today and tomorrow would be a recovery day. At the very least I'll be showing up briefly to drop Erica off, probably. | 13:49 |
| @jrayhawk | Recovery days can beat up on my cognitive capacities enough that in-person social interaction becomes offputtingly stunted. | 13:50 |
| Mokstar | fair enough | 13:50 |
| @jrayhawk | Speaking of which, are you ever interested in bouldering? | 13:51 |
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| Mokstar | in the interest of doing things I have never done before on the off-chance that I'd love them, yes | 13:51 |
| @jrayhawk | Okay, I'll see if I can shove you on that mailing list. You can always remove yourself later. | 13:52 |
| Mokstar | picking up heavy things and putting them down again has its charm, but climbing heavy things sounds like it'd be more satisfying in the short term | 13:52 |
| Mokstar | is it terribly expensive? | 13:53 |
| @jrayhawk | Certainly helps out with mobility and proprioception. | 13:53 |
| @jrayhawk | Depends on how you do it. $12 for one day pass + $4 shoe rental. | 13:53 |
| Mokstar | or is the cost limited to medical treatment in case of an accident? :p | 13:53 |
| Mokstar | thanks! | 13:54 |
| @jrayhawk | I have done a couple hundred hours and never seen anything more substantial than a sprained ankle or mild chiropractic problem. | 13:54 |
| @jrayhawk | In myself or the people around me. | 13:54 |
| Mokstar | I used to climb rocks a lot as a child, but back then we only called it "Oh-my-god-what-are-you-doing-get-down-from-there-now" | 13:55 |
| @jrayhawk | That is a tragic sort of parenting. | 13:56 |
| Mokstar | it's the standard stuff these days | 13:56 |
| Mokstar | I try to be understanding of my 5-year old son's derring-do | 13:57 |
| Mokstar | time to teach DHCP | 13:57 |
| Mokstar | bbl | 13:57 |
| ielo | hey | 14:11 |
| @jrayhawk | If it's a reasonably healthy five year old, they'll probably be happy on the beginner routes. | 14:11 |
| ielo | can someone answer a question about neutrino oscillation and a 2 flavour approximation mixing matrix | 14:11 |
| @jrayhawk | And can thus hang with us with minimal social inconvenience. | 14:11 |
| ielo | hey fenn do you know much about neutrino oscillation | 14:12 |
| @jrayhawk | kanzure: does counterparty need a less terrible irc server | 14:23 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk: they are using irc.freenode.net #xcp and stopped using their own irc server | 14:32 |
| @jrayhawk | ah | 14:35 |
| gradstudentbot | How many papers do you have published? | 14:38 |
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| eudoxia | gradstudentbot: well how many papers have *you* published? check and mate, mister | 14:45 |
| gradstudentbot | That's definitely a Nature paper. | 14:45 |
| kanzure | he's the most prolific author in robohistory | 14:45 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: i forgot about this one, | 14:56 |
| kanzure | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-identify-new-antibiotics-at-home-with-the-iliad-project | 14:56 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2534619 | 15:14 |
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| cpopell`werk | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10845-012-0723-9 | 15:18 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Therblig-based%20energy%20demand%20modeling%20methodology%20of%20machining%20process%20to%20support%20intelligent%20manufacturing.pdf | 15:18 |
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| kanzure | tomkinsc: hi | 15:22 |
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| kanzure | just hanging out http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/jackalope/max-more-alcor.jpg | 15:33 |
| kanzure | they totally need a skeleton to prop up and play cards with | 15:33 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2534619 | 15:49 |
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| wontons | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2534619 | 15:51 |
| delinquentme | interesting! | 15:51 |
| wontons | kanzure, am I banned from paperbot? | 15:51 |
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| kanzure | .title | 15:53 |
| yoleaux | [Isolation and character... [Zhongguo Yi Xue Ke Xue Yuan Xue Bao. 1989] | 15:53 |
| kanzure | no, i think it's just broken | 15:53 |
| delinquentme | poor dude | 15:54 |
| kanzure | needs to be rewritten to be less insane | 15:59 |
| Mokstar | jrayhawk, I'm gonna have to take a rain-check tonight, my SO already claimed tonight for a meetup | 16:13 |
| kanzure | tmux session manager https://github.com/tony/tmuxp | 16:17 |
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| kanzure | "In one of the recent releases tmux switched from starting new panes in $PWD to $HOME. I am sure they had their reasons but the new behavior is terrible for me. To get the old behavior back (AKA new pane in current working directory) add the following to ~/.tmux.conf bind c neww -c '#{pane_current_path}' " | 16:18 |
| kanzure | "Zero-based indexing is sure great in programming languages, but not so much in terminal multiplexers where that zero is all the way on the other side of the keyboard. set -g base-index 1" | 16:19 |
| kanzure | huh i guess it is on the right | 16:19 |
| @jrayhawk | Mokstar: right-o, there's always later weeks | 16:20 |
| Mokstar | do you ever go climb actual boulders? | 16:20 |
| Mokstar | this looked interesting: http://www.portlandrockclimbs.com/portland-bouldering | 16:20 |
| @jrayhawk | http://thecircuitgym.com/ is where we usually go. | 16:21 |
| @jrayhawk | Actual boulders require a somewhat longer drive. | 16:21 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: "WSJ photo is fed firefly luciferin" | 16:21 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7757224 | 16:21 |
| Mokstar | neat, new terminology | 16:22 |
| Mokstar | "problems" | 16:22 |
| kanzure | "you yourself are not going to be improving photosynthesis; people have been trying that for years. But feel free to be liberal. Assume the theoretical maximum 10% photosynthetic conversion. Give ball-park optimistic numbers that are literature precedented maxima (for example how well C3, C4, and CAM plants store energy)... Isn't it irresponsible to be doing this without even a back-of-the-envelope calculation?" | 16:26 |
| kanzure | "um, 30 second exposure with 4000 ISO can take pictuers in near absolute dark without a light (I do microscopic photography).... but OK. Is this enough to actually illuminate things more than 10 feet away? Do you have an idea of what the max achievable illumination (quantum efficiencysurface areaflorophore denstiy)?" | 16:26 |
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| kanzure | fenn: did you ever use opencascade's DRAWEXE tool? | 16:36 |
| kanzure | the tcl one | 16:36 |
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| kanzure | Draw[18]> help wrotate | 16:44 |
| kanzure | wrotate : Rotates wires on a face : wrotate f[use]/c[ut] result shape Angle/[FFrom] FUntil OX OY OZ DX DY DZ SkecthFace wire1 [wire2 ....] | 16:44 |
| kanzure | mesure M : create/reset measurement M | 16:47 |
| kanzure | wonderful spelling consistency | 16:47 |
| kanzure | mesure minmax M : take 'xmin ymin xmax ymax' from M | 16:47 |
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| kanzure | this is a terrible way to check which command a user gave you: https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/blob/master/src/BRepTest/BRepTest_TopologyCommands.cxx#L71 | 16:58 |
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| kanzure | suchcellular.com should be the name of the first doge-backed entrant to big pharma | 17:15 |
| kanzure | not worth your time, but here's someone trying to impose his rule of law regarding self-modification of brain function http://www.openthefuture.com/2014/05/magna_cortica.html | 17:24 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://content.onlinejacc.org/article.aspx?articleid=1201137 | 17:52 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8f15b0e4a14972dcfb795ce171b43adb.txt | 17:52 |
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| kanzure | //Attention : | 18:00 |
| kanzure | //To avoid use of persistent tables in the fields | 18:00 |
| kanzure | //the tables are dimensioned to the maximum (TheNbKnots and TheNbPoles) | 18:00 |
| kanzure | wow they bothered to cite a paper in the source code | 18:00 |
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| kanzure | Rational B-spline for Curve and Surface Representation Wayne Tiller CADG September 1983 | 18:00 |
| delinquentme | Thats a good thing right? | 18:01 |
| delinquentme | I'd be impressed | 18:01 |
| kanzure | their source code is the worst | 18:02 |
| kanzure | french, english, russian, sometimes all three at the same time | 18:02 |
| delinquentme | http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/5/173/173ra25.short << Cool so We've actually DONE this | 18:05 |
| delinquentme | HHA | 18:05 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscitranslmed.3005503 | 18:06 |
| delinquentme | thats awesome. | 18:06 |
| delinquentme | pepsin and HCl | 18:07 |
| delinquentme | 54 hours. | 18:07 |
| delinquentme | paperbot, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2534619 | 18:15 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, does paperbot have per-domain adapters ? For example with the above NCBI link | 18:19 |
| delinquentme | I'm not finding the string "ncbi" within the project | 18:19 |
| delinquentme | And his archiving operations are per libgen.org only right? If not, are there advantages to dumping links from r/scholar to him ? | 18:21 |
| kanzure | paperbot is a perplexing piece of technology.. the answer to your adapter question is both yes and no. | 18:28 |
| kanzure | it saves files to http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ | 18:28 |
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| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7758406 | 18:50 |
| yoleaux | FDA Dangles Golden Ticket to Spur Drugs for Neglected Diseases | 18:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/05/16/291972744/fda-dangles-golden-ticket-to-spur-drugs-for-neglected-diseases | 18:50 |
| kanzure | "Knight Therapeutics is looking to sell the voucher to the highest bidder." | 18:51 |
| kanzure | "Health economist David Ridley, faculty director of the health program at Duke University's Fuqua School of Business, and two colleagues sketched out the voucher idea in the journal Health Affairs back in 2006. A year later, vouchers made it into law, and in 2008 the FDA laid out the rules for companies to follow." | 18:51 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/25/2/313.abstract | 18:51 |
| kanzure | .title | 18:51 |
| yoleaux | Developing Drugs For Developing Countries | 18:51 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1377%2Fhlthaff.25.2.313 | 18:51 |
| kanzure | how did that get into law so quickly? | 18:51 |
| delinquentme | They're selling vouchers ? | 18:55 |
| delinquentme | how the shit is that supposed to be helpful? | 18:56 |
| delinquentme | and kanzure what about the adapters for NCBI ? | 19:05 |
| delinquentme | is there something specific for that website in there? Or in a working case does it just nab the DOI? | 19:05 |
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| kanzure | it's whatever's in https://github.com/zotero/translation-server and https://github.com/zotero/translators | 19:07 |
| kanzure | and then whatever's in paperbot's python module thing | 19:07 |
| ParahSailin | i think if it goes to libgen, that url was handled by my part | 19:09 |
| ParahSailin | fun project for someone with an interest in having a better paperbot | 19:09 |
| kanzure | less fun project, remove zotero and convert their translators into something usable without gecko/xulrunner | 19:09 |
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| kanzure | is this file really necessary? >:| https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/tree/master/src/AppCont/AppCont_ContMatrices_4.cxx | 19:47 |
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| ParahSailin | thats the only way to do huge literals like that | 19:53 |
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| delinquentme | ParahSailin, I appreciate the direction :D | 20:10 |
| delinquentme | So I'm kind of freaking out right now | 20:10 |
| ParahSailin | ill tell you exactly where to start | 20:10 |
| ParahSailin | instead of parsing libgen pages for whether the pdf is found, just do a HEAD on the predicted url of the pdf | 20:10 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, you designed the libegen upload operation? | 20:10 |
| ParahSailin | there is no libgen upload operation, it is subtly broken | 20:11 |
| delinquentme | sure . If the URL is consistent | 20:11 |
| ParahSailin | this sort of url is always consistent http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1377%2Fhlthaff.25.2.313 | 20:11 |
| ParahSailin | do a HEAD on those urls and only spit it out to channel if 200 | 20:13 |
| delinquentme | Is there a feature request? | 20:13 |
| ParahSailin | feature request is you and everyone else complaining it doesnt work | 20:13 |
| ParahSailin | the most commonly requested feature is to work | 20:14 |
| delinquentme | Do we know anyone @ libgen? | 20:14 |
| ParahSailin | no | 20:15 |
| delinquentme | I'm also wondering if thats the least taxing way to run that query | 20:15 |
| ParahSailin | HEAD | 20:15 |
| delinquentme | yeah I heard the first time | 20:15 |
| ParahSailin | read "thats" as "whats" | 20:16 |
| kanzure | other feature requests are here https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues | 20:20 |
| delinquentme | Is bethencourt the closet thing we have within our group of friends who works in market dev in biotech? | 20:21 |
| delinquentme | yeah thats what I had meant | 20:21 |
| delinquentme | and like tag me in it | 20:21 |
| gradstudentbot | Got halfway through figuring out all the cell signalling molecules in psoriasis when the cells died and the data couldn't be replicated, so psoriasis is really hard to cure guys don't get it | 20:23 |
| ParahSailin | market dev? | 20:23 |
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| delinquentme | yeah ParahSailin . Specifically alternative markets | 20:51 |
| delinquentme | ( for an existing product ) ... this is what I'm working on right nao | 20:51 |
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| delinquentme | ParahSailin, Is there a string I can grep for to locate this bit of subtly broken code? | 22:02 |
| ParahSailin | libgen | 22:03 |
| ParahSailin | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py line 77 is where an attempt at procedure to upload starts | 22:04 |
| AshleyWaffle | http://www.publicintegrity.org/2014/05/14/14766/tech-super-pac-startups-could-tap-billions | 22:05 |
| AshleyWaffle | ParahSailin: libgen is awesome | 22:05 |
| ParahSailin | er sorry disregard, what i said was wrong | 22:05 |
| ParahSailin | looks like the broken upload code is gone, good riddance | 22:07 |
| gradstudentbot | Wow, I'm definitely not including this data in the paper. | 22:08 |
| ParahSailin | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/scihub.py this has libgen upload | 22:08 |
| delinquentme | if response.status_code == 200 and response.content != "[]": | 22:09 |
| delinquentme | ok cool so given publishers should be stored in the modules | 22:10 |
| ParahSailin | no, forget that one, that is zotero business | 22:10 |
| delinquentme | hence why NCBI is non-functional | 22:10 |
| kanzure | no... | 22:10 |
| kanzure | why the fuck do you never listen | 22:10 |
| delinquentme | Oh yeah you said that shit up in hte logs | 22:10 |
| delinquentme | dont worry about it | 22:10 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:10 |
| ParahSailin | delinquentme: so if you figure out how to make that libgen() work to upload, you win the game | 22:11 |
| kanzure | wow realpath is not a debian default? | 22:20 |
| kanzure | ah because it is useless | 22:25 |
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| kanzure | i wonder how much of this is new http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/where-worlds-unsold-cars-go-die | 22:31 |
| kanzure | maybe they could arrange the cars into pixel art for advertisements, and collect money from people looking at the satellite images | 22:33 |
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| delinquentme | not bad! | 22:50 |
| delinquentme | dude. that is amazing. | 22:51 |
| QuantumG | paperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0092867494903018 | 23:00 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3d422f97f6832fa450e5b241a112d17f.txt | 23:00 |
| kanzure | <a id="pdfLink" href="/science?_ob=ShoppingCartURL&_method=add&_eid=1-s2.0-0092867494903018&originContentFamily=serial&_origin=article&_ts=1400306459&md5=65e4268a982ac5abad19e8ad0dc7cf33" target="" class="S_C_pdfLink big pdf ext_sdlink cLink" style="cursor:pointer" title="Purchase PDF" >Purchase </a> | 23:01 |
| kanzure | no luck, sorry | 23:01 |
| QuantumG | dang.. tis weird | 23:01 |
| kanzure | QuantumG: do you have any wizard tools for generating call graphs or other useful things for analyzing obscenely large shitpiles of code? | 23:02 |
| QuantumG | dotty? | 23:03 |
| kanzure | the graphviz thing? | 23:03 |
| QuantumG | short answer, no | 23:03 |
| QuantumG | yeah, with lots of grep foo | 23:03 |
| QuantumG | what sort of code? | 23:03 |
| kanzure | i am running clang/opt/llvm stuff on some source code, but maybe there's something better | 23:03 |
| kanzure | this stuff: https://github.com/tpaviot/oce | 23:04 |
| QuantumG | yeah, fun | 23:05 |
| QuantumG | class inheritance and class member relationships are the place to start | 23:06 |
| QuantumG | graphs do help there | 23:06 |
| kanzure | all classes are like one layer of inheritance only, and then lots of uh.. includes. | 23:06 |
| kanzure | with 2000 different entry points | 23:06 |
| QuantumG | and if you then want to dig into what types get passed to methods, that's useful too but I've never had graphs help me there | 23:07 |
| gradstudentbot | Who the hell stole my pipette? | 23:07 |
| delinquentme | So I keep talking to people who are claiming that synthetically created products will inherently be more pure | 23:10 |
| kanzure | what units is purity, again? | 23:11 |
| delinquentme | This is assuming that you've got clean media that you're growing the cell line on... but is this simply because we've got starting cell lines which are inherently inbred to shit? | 23:11 |
| delinquentme | haha | 23:11 |
| delinquentme | IDK how ot answer that sorry. I'm a bit brain fried right now | 23:11 |
| delinquentme | I'd agree that the starting organism is simpler , so that could lend itself to less complexity of possible compounds | 23:12 |
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| ebowden | Are we talking about engineering organisms to produce useful compounds that might be prohibitively expensive otherwise? | 23:19 |
| delinquentme | ebowden, its definitely more of an upfront investment in time ... I'd guess money as well ... but if we're talking about something that we'd want to take to clinical ASAP... purity can be a HUGE benefit | 23:22 |
| ebowden | Well, you can probably get good purity if you are biosynthesising the compound. | 23:22 |
| ebowden | There are probably some purification steps you can follow that would give you an end product of good purity. | 23:23 |
| ebowden | Is this generally the case? | 23:23 |
| ebowden | (I'm no expert, for sure.) | 23:24 |
| ebowden | Also, are we talking about any particular compound or class of compounds? | 23:25 |
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