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| @fenn | it's not quite a one-liner http://fennetic.net/irc/read_alice_in_wonderland_aloud | 00:37 |
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| xmj | any of you guys know an airport near oxford/ | 00:40 |
| @_archels | Oxford-London is only an hour by bus | 00:42 |
| @_archels | just pick the cheapest London airport | 00:42 |
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| xmj | terrific | 00:44 |
| xmj | I shall be flying to https://bsdcam.cl.cam.ac.uk/ | 00:45 |
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| @fenn | it's cute to see all the google summer of code students arriving in a channel for summer school | 00:58 |
| xmj | is it? | 00:58 |
| @fenn | why dont we have a transhuman research institute summer of code? | 00:59 |
| xmj | GSoC participant projects have *awesome* things to be done this year | 00:59 |
| xmj | i've only looked at FreeBSD's gsoc participation and if only 1/3 of what they plan to do gets done - that'll be terrific. | 00:59 |
| @fenn | yeah i think it's great. it's quite surprising how out of touch they are with everyday free software practices, like dual booting linux for example (guy wanted to buy a linux laptop because he didn't know you could dual boot) | 01:00 |
| @fenn | bang for the buck/net ROI for humanity, i could't think of a better way to spend money | 01:02 |
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| xmj | indeed | 01:08 |
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| @fenn | "Until GSoC, I had never heard of a struct." what the hell are they teaching in schools then | 02:38 |
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| paperbot | needPaperbot: andrew, my love. you have returned for me... | 02:56 |
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| nsh | is there some kinda bot romance going on here? | 04:36 |
| nsh | kanzure, woolly as a way of implied lack of clarity in explication? | 04:37 |
| nsh | or thinking? | 04:37 |
| nsh | i think it's more used in britain, but i'd assume it would obtain in any english-speaking region with the right context | 04:37 |
| nsh | s/implied/describing/ | 04:38 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/05/14/1403002111 | 05:29 |
| kanzure | .title | 05:29 |
| yoleaux | Wireless power transfer to deep-tissue microimplants | 05:29 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Wireless%20power%20transfer%20to%20deep-tissue%20microimplants.pdf | 05:29 |
| kanzure | i don't understand their "real-time dynamic focusing" figure 4 | 05:38 |
| kanzure | oh nevermind, the wireless device was moving | 05:38 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit_layout_design_protection | 05:57 |
| kanzure | "Because of the functional nature of the mask geometry, the designs cannot be effectively protected under copyright law (except perhaps as decorative art). Similarly, because individual lithographic mask works are not clearly protectable subject matter, they also cannot be effectively protected under patent law, although any processes implemented in the work may be patentable. So since the 1990s, national governments have been granting ... | 05:57 |
| kanzure | ... copyright-like exclusive rights conferring time-limited exclusivity to reproduction of a particular layout." | 05:57 |
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| kanzure | http://opensource.com/law/14/5/legal-issues-open-data-open-hardware | 05:59 |
| kanzure | "In other words, IMO, using CHR and private invite-only meetings for these kinds of policy discussions poisons the process from the start. Such meetings, and CHR in particular, are designed for major world policy issues where people could be killed because of a quote that comes out of an important policy meeting. Thankfully, we don't need such a strict solution for Free Software/Hardware/Data." | 05:59 |
| kanzure | "While your list of thirty participants who had input into the policy recommendations above is highly secretive (a disturbing fact in itself), I strongly suspect that lawyers of the type I describe were involved." | 05:59 |
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| kanzure | http://goproheroes.com/vfa-27s-shoot-em-if-you-got-em | 06:12 |
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| kanzure | http://goproheroes.com/gopro-fire-breathing-array-with-24-gopros | 06:20 |
| kanzure | wtf http://goproheroes.com/gopro-lion-hug | 06:21 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, dude goes up an huggles lions, I'm not judging | 07:01 |
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| heath | crazy sicp anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdj6deraQ6k | 07:16 |
| kanzure | that is a good approximation of the experience of programming | 07:19 |
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| heath | is it down for just me? i.e. is anyone else able to see the stl? | 07:43 |
| heath | https://richrap.github.io/Bee_House_Design/ | 07:43 |
| kanzure | doesn't render for me | 07:43 |
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| kanzure | here's a comedy piece for my "bitcoin fanaticism" collection: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316297.msg6450589#msg6450589 | 09:21 |
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| chris_99 | http://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/brain-emulation-roadmap-report.pdf | 09:30 |
| chris_99 | i just found that today, maybe of interest to someone | 09:31 |
| kanzure | is this the 2007 one? | 09:31 |
| kanzure | oh, 2008 | 09:31 |
| chris_99 | 2008 it says | 09:31 |
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| kanzure | well ok. yes, you should have read it by now. | 09:31 |
| chris_99 | heh i only just found it alas | 09:31 |
| chris_99 | i'm looking through http://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/research/publications/ | 09:32 |
| chris_99 | it sounds quite a cool organisation | 09:32 |
| kanzure | unfortunately it's not | 09:33 |
| chris_99 | why not? | 09:33 |
| kanzure | it has squandered anders sandberg into trivial pursuits, they are currently employing him to do insurance calculations | 09:33 |
| kanzure | because they take good people and make them do shit work | 09:33 |
| kanzure | the whole brain emulation roadmap is not something they usually occupy their time on | 09:34 |
| chris_99 | oh pity, not heard of anders sandberg, will google | 09:34 |
| kanzure | that was a fluke because of ander's background | 09:34 |
| kanzure | anders is http://www.aleph.se/Trans/ | 09:34 |
| chris_99 | cheers | 09:34 |
| kanzure | *anders' background | 09:34 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, it's the new grad student's fault. | 09:35 |
| kanzure | something about a portscan triggering welding machines to misbehave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoEOPbAERd0 | 09:37 |
| kanzure | .title | 09:37 |
| yoleaux | BruCon 2010 - I Want It all. | 09:37 |
| kanzure | it's in there somewhere according to #swhack, long video though | 09:37 |
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| chris_99 | does 'a sensitive low-noise electron-multiplying (EM) CCD camera' mean anything to anyone | 09:39 |
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| chris_99 | does it just mean a ccd camera essentially | 09:39 |
| kanzure | maybe it's like a photomultiplier | 09:40 |
| chris_99 | i don't think it is though | 09:40 |
| chris_99 | because they say ccd | 09:41 |
| chris_99 | hmmm | 09:41 |
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| drazak | paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=2141244 | 10:01 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2b272c5dc7ac4c992ad056be3840275e.txt | 10:02 |
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| dingo | hey good on ya kanzure | 10:24 |
| dingo | i saw your github url on yc again this morning | 10:25 |
| dingo | people sure had some stupid comments | 10:25 |
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| chris_99 | what url was that? | 10:25 |
| dingo | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7767820 | 10:25 |
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| kanzure | .title | 10:31 |
| yoleaux | Pokémon Crystal disassembled source code | 10:31 |
| kanzure | dingo: 12k uniques 40k views | 10:31 |
| kanzure | "I'm pretty sure this works in a way analogous to "frustrated total internal reflection," which powers many fingerprint readers. (look up total internal reflection on Wikipedia). By placing three mediums with different impedances in sequence, you can promote an "evanescent" (non-propagating) nearfield wave to partially couple into the the third medium. The wave will propagate in the third medium if it has the correct impedance relationship to ... | 10:34 |
| kanzure | ... the other two, and if it supports a propagation mode of the incident wave." | 10:34 |
| kanzure | "I had a discussion about this a while ago with a friend. There's a really interesting video of a HAM guy who has built a system such that he yells into a microphone which then uses the audio energy to generate an RF pulse that travels out the antenna. All RF energy is generated by the vocal energy. By yelling in pulses, Morse (or whatever) coding can be generated. I think he had used to the communicate between Massachusetts and somewhere in ... | 10:34 |
| kanzure | ... Florida." | 10:35 |
| kanzure | http://hackaday.com/2013/11/26/amateur-radio-transmits-1000-miles-on-voice-power/ | 10:35 |
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| chris_99 | oh i didn't notice anders wrote that roadmap | 11:07 |
| chris_99 | with bostrom | 11:07 |
| kanzure | "Yes you can do that kinda business when one(1) brass bushing for the undercarrage costs $2400 for 1 small part. I know, I will never own another piece of equipment that say CAT. Once you buy one the CAT has you by the balls." | 11:07 |
| kanzure | ah you thought i was just saying random things | 11:08 |
| chris_99 | no, i thought you mean he worked for the oxford fhi | 11:08 |
| chris_99 | thing | 11:08 |
| kanzure | he does now :( | 11:08 |
| kanzure | he recently leaked that he's doing insurance calculations for an insurance company as part of the "future of humanity institute" | 11:09 |
| gradstudentbot | I think there's a biobrick for that. | 11:09 |
| chris_99 | darn | 11:09 |
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| kanzure | wait, i thought you could only rent caterpillar equipment | 11:13 |
| kanzure | so why are they buying replacement parts? | 11:13 |
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| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emitter-coupled_logic | 11:31 |
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| nsh | .wik Emitter-coupled logic | 11:33 |
| yoleaux | "In electronics, emitter-coupled logic (ECL) is a high-speed integrated circuit bipolar transistor logic family. ECL uses an overdriven BJT differential amplifier with single-ended input and limited emitter current to avoid the saturated (fully on) region of operation and its slow turn-off behavior." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emitter-coupled_logic | 11:33 |
| nsh | magic. gotcha | 11:33 |
| kanzure | just bjt/mosfet again | 11:34 |
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| nmz787_i | we made it to hackaday http://hackaday.com/2014/05/19/youthful-destruction-at-maker-faire/ | 12:03 |
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| chris_99 | heh cool | 12:06 |
| chris_99 | is takeitappart.com your site | 12:06 |
| kanzure | yes it's his | 12:07 |
| chris_99 | nice :) | 12:08 |
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| chris_99 | nmz787_i, did you do raman spectroscopy btw | 12:12 |
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| nmz787_i | chris_99: come again | 12:15 |
| nmz787_i | oh | 12:16 |
| nmz787_i | the _i confused me | 12:16 |
| chris_99 | haha | 12:16 |
| nmz787_i | i tried it once on yeast | 12:16 |
| nmz787_i | at school with their raman machine | 12:16 |
| chris_99 | ah | 12:16 |
| nmz787_i | i haven't rigged it at home yet | 12:16 |
| nmz787_i | i met ben krasnow this weekend though, and he's done it and posted a youtube vid about it | 12:17 |
| chris_99 | yeah i think i saw his video | 12:17 |
| nmz787_i | i have all the stuff except the filter to do it | 12:17 |
| nmz787_i | was i telling you about the lpclinkv2? | 12:18 |
| nmz787_i | did you ever get one? | 12:18 |
| chris_99 | ive not got that i've got an stm32f4 | 12:18 |
| nmz787_i | mm | 12:18 |
| chris_99 | the screen on it is pretty cool | 12:18 |
| nmz787_i | i'm gonna finish my spectrometer ADC driver this weekend I think, or over the next few... and get the schematic sent off to oshpark | 12:19 |
| nmz787_i | hackaday has a contest for open hardware with a trip to space as the prize | 12:19 |
| nmz787_i | sooo | 12:19 |
| nmz787_i | yea | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | i know! | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | it's pretty awesome heh | 12:19 |
| chris_99 | good luck! | 12:20 |
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| gradstudentbot | Am I going to be first author? | 12:21 |
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| kanzure | "If learning is fast, then the curve is steep. There's been a lot of unfair treatment of steep learning curves." | 12:30 |
| kanzure | .wik learning curve | 12:31 |
| yoleaux | "A learning curve is a graphical representation of the increase of learning (vertical axis) with experience (horizontal axis)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve | 12:31 |
| kanzure | huh | 12:31 |
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| kanzure | reverse engineering osx malware: https://googledrive.com/host/0B_qgg13Ykpypekw4d2hwLVJmeDg/REMacMalware.pdf | 12:37 |
| kanzure | paperbot: https://googledrive.com/host/0B_qgg13Ykpypekw4d2hwLVJmeDg/REMacMalware.pdf | 12:37 |
| gradstudentbot | Yeah, but biobricks don't even work. | 12:38 |
| kanzure | what is it with you and biobricks today | 12:39 |
| chris_99 | you know what works gradstudentbot, LEGO | 12:39 |
| gradstudentbot | I don't think our fume hood is safe. | 12:39 |
| paperbot | TypeError: unicode() argument 2 must be string, not None (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/requests/models.py", line 825, in text) | 12:39 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=f64b698b Bryan Bishop: short note about call tree depth >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/ | 13:00 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=9984df6b Bryan Bishop: splitting up code into separate utils >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/ | 13:02 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=d7f35dfb Bryan Bishop: add "Bnd" to the abbreviations table >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/ | 13:04 |
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| kanzure | BMW and RINA (italian shipbuilding company) are both customers of opencascade | 13:16 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=f698ec38 Bryan Bishop: also add the "Pln" abbreviation >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/ | 13:20 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=ca6c84bf Bryan Bishop: endless abbreviations... >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/ | 13:20 |
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| kanzure | .title http://pastebin.com/e7pGd9PX | 13:42 |
| yoleaux | The Complete works of IRC Shakespeare | 13:42 |
| heath | yeah, gulp... that makes more sense | 13:49 |
| * heath started using gulp today | 13:49 | |
| kanzure | so far it's been working well for me | 13:49 |
| * heath uses cult | 13:49 | |
| kanzure | browserify builds are a little slow though | 13:49 |
| kanzure | i've had to split up my dependencies and my application code | 13:50 |
| kanzure | otherwise browserify takes 15 seconds instead of 0.01 s | 13:50 |
| heath | twitter uses elasticsearch i've determined from interactions with their search team | 13:51 |
| kanzure | "Detects gulpfile extension and starts gulp accordingly" | 13:51 |
| kanzure | i don't understand | 13:51 |
| heath | i noticed they were using some of the same plugins i'm using, and suddently twitter idn't feel like magic | 13:52 |
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| heath | they just have ~20x more graphs than myself... | 13:54 |
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| heath | -just, + and many other things :) | 13:55 |
| kanzure | i believe you can generate graphs on your own if you'd like? | 13:55 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=945e8127 Bryan Bishop: some diybio-related blogs >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/diybio/blogs/ | 15:00 |
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| kanzure | welcome back | 15:01 |
| QuantumG | hi | 15:01 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=f3e76d9c Bryan Bishop: yank hplusroadmap.draft content >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/declaration/ | 15:09 |
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| kanzure | "AREVA NP speeds up the design of nuclear power plants using Open CASCADE software" | 15:15 |
| kanzure | is that something you want to speed up? | 15:15 |
| kanzure | "DBM Reflex develops SIMOPTIC to speed up the design of all kind of optical systems like automotive lamps, light guides, fresnel lenses, reflex lenses, high efficiency lenses for LEDs" | 15:17 |
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| kanzure | "Developing a specialized application that calculates the risks of harmful nuclear chain reactions" | 15:18 |
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| kanzure | "The diybio.org blog has a new blogger, Cat Ferguson! She's keeping an eye on the global diybio google group and writing up summaries of the interesting news each week, posted every Tuesday morning." | 15:27 |
| kanzure | uhuh.. | 15:27 |
| eudoxia | i'm so disappointed hplusmagazine didn't sink | 15:31 |
| eudoxia | now it's even more unreadable, ughhhhhhh | 15:32 |
| gradstudentbot | None of this data makes sense. | 15:33 |
| eudoxia | this is highly illogical lt. gradstudentbot | 15:33 |
| gradstudentbot | I think I'd like to try to write the paper myself. | 15:33 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: is there a solution to the "lazy security auditor" problem? | 16:03 |
| kanzure | s/lazy/incompetent | 16:03 |
| QuantumG | not worrying about solving impossible problems? | 16:04 |
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| kanzure | QuantumG: more specifically i mean the problem where the payoff of attacking a conceptually bad idea is less than the payoff of attacking that bad idea once it's deployed and worth tangibly more money, and also where even if you do get a small payoff of attacking a bad idea you don't really get a guarantee that the bad idea won't go get implemented | 16:05 |
| QuantumG | where do you live? | 16:06 |
| kanzure | austin | 16:06 |
| QuantumG | house, apartment, own, rent? | 16:06 |
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| kanzure | why do you ask? | 16:06 |
| QuantumG | do you think people can break into your home? | 16:06 |
| QuantumG | or are you "secure"? | 16:07 |
| kanzure | i'm absolutely certain that they have broken into my home | 16:07 |
| QuantumG | right, so why does software have to be any different? | 16:07 |
| kanzure | hrm, i didn't mean to restrict my question to just software really | 16:08 |
| QuantumG | we all live in insecure housing.. and we all prefer it that way. We all use insecure software.. and we all wring our hands about it. | 16:08 |
| kanzure | there are in fact ways to filter air, water, etc. | 16:08 |
| kanzure | nuclear bunkers really do exist | 16:08 |
| QuantumG | yup.. your average ghetto boss has a nice secure house | 16:09 |
| gradstudentbot | My study reveals that people are awesome at memorizing insecure passwords. | 16:09 |
| kanzure | and they do survive more types of attacks than your aventador | 16:09 |
| QuantumG | armed guards, bars on the windows | 16:09 |
| kanzure | what's your point | 16:09 |
| gradstudentbot | Am I going to be first author? | 16:10 |
| QuantumG | I forget.. anyway, what was your question? I expect it was deeply philosophical. | 16:12 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=538de338 Bryan Bishop: identify steps of FillImagesSolids >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/ | 16:52 |
| * heath wonders if the lasersaur is capable of cutting the openpcr case | 16:56 | |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=00569e41 Bryan Bishop: another entry for the diybio blog list >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/diybio/blogs/ | 17:18 |
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| kanzure | evidence of time travel detected.. 0.0007% of the opencascade source code is from the future. | 17:32 |
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| eudoxia | evidence of time travel: your github streak repo | 17:33 |
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| kanzure | yeah but don't tell anyone | 17:36 |
| kanzure | they will claim i have accumulated too much future and it has to be more "evenly distributedl" or something | 17:36 |
| heath | cd | 17:36 |
| heath | whee! back on irssi again | 17:36 |
| kanzure | > You're in a dark room. | 17:36 |
| eudoxia | >get lamp | 17:37 |
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| kanzure | > The lamp releases a genie. | 17:37 |
| eudoxia | > ask the genie for a molecular assembler | 17:38 |
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| kanzure | > The genie only accepts input in the form of S-expressions. Yes, it's one of those games. | 17:38 |
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| eudoxia | >tell genie "(make 'molecular-assembler)" | 17:39 |
| kanzure | so you've never looked into biology? | 17:39 |
| eudoxia | is that the catch? the genie materializes a ribosome and puffs out? | 17:40 |
| kanzure | "Dorthy, you've had one all along" | 17:40 |
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| heath | re:lasersaur, yes | 17:54 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=9f3aa9d8 Bryan Bishop: add a timeline of opencascade source code (estimated) >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/cad/opencascade/ | 18:10 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/opencascade/filetimeline.yaml | 18:12 |
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| kanzure | "More than 140,000 Matra Datavision software licenses are installed on 22,500 seats at 5,300 customer sites in 56 countries." | 18:16 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-83997-9_7 | 18:19 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2889d92ca165cb6ac7240f37dee66c1b.txt | 18:19 |
| kanzure | "The importance of this announcement was larger than the importance of the product being made free software, since it was probably the first one in its class made by a large European company (Matra Datavision is a wholly owned subsidiary of Aerospatiale Matra, Europe's second largest aeronautics/defense group)." | 18:21 |
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| @jrayhawk | http://www.ccnl.emory.edu/greg/Berns%20Conformity%20Biol%20Psych%20Final%20with%20Figs%20and%20Suppl%20Materials.pdf "The Pain of Independence" is an interesting section | 18:36 |
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| kanzure | hmm this is not right | 19:18 |
| kanzure | oce.git does not contain this file, | 19:18 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/lolcad/BOP_SolidSolid.cxx | 19:18 |
| kanzure | where did i get this file from? and why does it have comments? | 19:18 |
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| kanzure | transcendence: hi | 21:21 |
| transcendence | hi | 21:21 |
| transcendence | i just saw your disassembly of pokemon red | 21:21 |
| kanzure | technically i only contributed | 21:21 |
| transcendence | i was wondering what happened to the missingnos. | 21:21 |
| transcendence | in pokemon_constants | 21:21 |
| kanzure | you should ask in nucleus.kafuka.org #skeetendo where the pokered and pokecrystal people hang out | 21:22 |
| transcendence | ok thx | 21:22 |
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| kanzure | "Hopefully with help from the U.S. FDA, which has been treading carefully (as it should) into these waters by approving an ECG machine (Alivecor) as an over the counter device without a prescription and approving iPhone software applications like Welldoc as a pharmaceutical drug." | 22:01 |
| kanzure | that sounds awful... apps classified as a pharmaceutical drug? | 22:01 |
| kanzure | 'future of healthcare' doc.. not entirely worthwhile, but it's curious to see what a more mainstream perspective is: http://www.khoslaventures.com/wp-content/uploads/20-Percent-Doctor-Included_DRAFT.pdf | 22:03 |
| kanzure | also his analysis of incentives is lacking (a rather trivial analysis) | 22:09 |
| kanzure | ("well we can just hope the fda allows something, uh...") | 22:09 |
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| @fenn | "You give man a free beer, he looks at you with fear in his eyes. You wondering what the hell, doesn't he like beer? So you tell him .... Um its ok dude I didn't spit in it or anything ;) But he says to you ... No its not that ..... Can I get it in writing that I can drink this beer I don't want to go to jail for theft man!!!" | 23:37 |
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