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| eleitl | Can anyone download http://www.jove.com/video/51075/aplysia-ganglia-preparation-for-electrophysiological-molecular ? | 02:45 |
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| eleitl | Jove seemed to have changed something on their end, so bypassing the paywall doesn't work anymore. | 02:46 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=1017164 | 03:13 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2f1d7227fb9ce79b37a06b3f8fce4aad.txt | 03:14 |
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| archels | paperbot: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1&fid=1017168&jid=CQH&volumeId=16&issueId=03&aid=1017164&toPdf=true | 03:17 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/15705fc69b1ccdd15b005334728e1486.pdf | 03:17 |
| archels | <3 | 03:17 |
| archels | ("Becoming Borg to Become Immortal: Regulating Brain Implant Technologies") | 03:18 |
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| archels | www.biofag.com <- what the fuck? | 03:44 |
| eleitl | paperbot: http://www.jove.com/video/51075/aplysia-ganglia-preparation-for-electrophysiological-molecular | 03:57 |
| eleitl | howdy archels | 03:58 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2dd7fb4fb80510c0673ce53801fec360.txt | 04:03 |
| eleitl | anyone a Jove subscription? | 04:04 |
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| archels | hey eleitl, how goes it? | 06:12 |
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| dpk | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-968X.1965.tb00318.x/abstract | 06:24 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9574031370aeacd38134319aeec2d4ca.txt | 06:24 |
| dpk | sadneſs | 06:25 |
| dpk | PUBLICATION_OUTSIDE_OF_LICENSE_PERIOD? | 06:25 |
| dpk | Wiley Online Library is not a library, i'm coming to learn | 06:27 |
| dpk | if the principal function of a library is to allow access to information, Wiley Online Library is in the business of hiding information | 06:27 |
| dpk | University of York apparently doesn't feel that Wiley Online Library is worth paying for, so i can't access that article | 06:29 |
| eudoxia | http://lesswrong.com/lw/343/suspended_animation_inc_accused_of_incompetence/2yv5 | 06:32 |
| eudoxia | ,--8<- | 06:33 |
| eudoxia | |> | 06:33 |
| eudoxia | | | 06:33 |
| eudoxia | |If CI were trying to just look good wouldn't they hire someone to make their website better? | 06:33 |
| eudoxia | `-->8- | 06:33 |
| eudoxia | whoah irssi calm down | 06:33 |
| dpk | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cpe.1722/abstract | 06:37 |
| dpk | nope? | 06:38 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1f003ecec728727cd0bece4e06d3c3bd.txt | 06:38 |
| dpk | right, so it can't get Wiley articles at all? | 06:39 |
| * dpk farts in Wiley's general direction | 06:39 | |
| gradstudentbot | My matlab crashed. | 06:40 |
| eudoxia | http://www-hagi.ist.osaka-u.ac.jp/research/papers/201201_ino_ccpe.pdf ? | 06:40 |
| dpk | eudoxia: i wasn't interested in the particular paper, i just picked it at random to see if paperbot could get it from Wiley, since i run into this problem quite often (need an article, it's only available from Wiley) | 06:44 |
| eudoxia | ah, ok | 06:44 |
| dpk | i used to have the same problem with Oxford Journals but i now have access to a proxy for that | 06:44 |
| * dpk wonders if paperbot can do those | 06:44 | |
| dpk | paperbot: http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/content/61/1/1.full.pdf+html | 06:46 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/The%20Severn%20Sea%20Islands%20in%20the%20Anglo-Saxon%20Chronicle.pdf | 06:47 |
| dpk | yay, apparently do | 06:47 |
| dpk | *so | 06:47 |
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| gradstudentbot | Oh that's interesting, do you want to write a paper together? | 06:49 |
| archels | eleitl: got that jove video if you want it | 06:49 |
| dpk | gradstudentbot! | 06:49 |
| gradstudentbot | Grant submitted. | 06:50 |
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| gradstudentbot | I am busy doing science, go away. | 06:50 |
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| dpk | paperbot: http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/content/s7-IV/84/109-j.full.pdf+html | 06:52 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c28c50f41166d1ee6830314b0c07bb0e.txt | 06:52 |
| dpk | hmm, not always though | 06:52 |
| dpk | that's a particularly egregious failure as that paper should be out of copyright now | 06:52 |
| dpk | but probably a policy stupid rather than a paperbot stupid | 06:53 |
| gradstudentbot | Let's pour a bunch of chemlights into a spinner flask and claim it's luminescent e.coli. | 06:56 |
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| eleitl | archels: download earl plox | 07:02 |
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| eleitl | it hangs quite nicely, thanks for asking | 07:03 |
| archels | http://itfromb.it/51075.mp4 | 07:05 |
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| eleitl | thanks, archels | 08:16 |
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| kanzure | gah please tell me someone else in here archived all the jove videos when we had the chance | 09:38 |
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| kanzure | eudoxia: hah! "FWI, I'm considering cryonics and one thing that has set off warning bells is how bad the CI and Alcor websites are (CI is much worse of the two)." | 09:39 |
| kanzure | dpk: yes, it's often not clear whether paperbot failures are access problems, parsing problems, or the subclasses of each type of problem domain.. | 09:41 |
| dpk | oh hey kanzure | 09:42 |
| * dpk nods | 09:42 | |
| kanzure | so, i've offloaded a lot of work by just using zotero translators, but that's a schlep for me not having to rewrite all of them | 09:43 |
| kanzure | ultimately i think that zotero could be better served by using translators/scrapers/parser-things that are *not* zotero-only, so that an even larger community can help maintain them | 09:43 |
| kanzure | erm, "not zotero-only" meaning "can be used outside the context of xulrunner, gecko, firefox" | 09:43 |
| dpk | right | 09:44 |
| dpk | so you were looking at rewriting paperbot with Node so you could use the scrapers directly? | 09:44 |
| dpk | or did i misunderstand | 09:44 |
| kanzure | well... sort of correct. i was thinking i'd provide javascript modules that zotero could consume down-stream. | 09:44 |
| dpk | i see | 09:45 |
| kanzure | the existing zotero translators are very browser-specific | 09:45 |
| dpk | right | 09:45 |
| dpk | well, that can be worked around | 09:45 |
| kanzure | it could, but i have to decide if that's something worth doing, versus the temporary pain of me spending a day rewriting all of them | 09:45 |
| dpk | can you give me an example of somewhere it's browser-specific? | 09:45 |
| kanzure | one of the advantages of rewriting all of them is that i can apply consistency and debuggability to the mix | 09:45 |
| dpk | i mean, it's not hard just to work around them, heh | 09:46 |
| kanzure | sure, let me randopick https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/ACM.js | 09:46 |
| dpk | you can easily make a DOM in Node and then run JS in the context of that. you can even run jQuery on the server doing that | 09:46 |
| kanzure | *randpick | 09:46 |
| kanzure | yep i agree about DOM stuff | 09:46 |
| kanzure | there's lots of Zotero.debug and Zotero.Utilities.HTTP.doGet stuff, so you'd have to write an interface for those things | 09:47 |
| kanzure | var translator = Zotero.loadTranslator("import"); <--- this should be replaced with commonjs-type stuff | 09:47 |
| dpk | hmm, i see | 09:47 |
| kanzure | the testcases in the file are also a little wonky... you should commit the html of the page so that you can test offline | 09:48 |
| kanzure | but instead they have urls to active content | 09:48 |
| dpk | what is the Zotero object? is that just a common suite of utility functions? | 09:48 |
| kanzure | it's their entire library i thinks | 09:48 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/zotero/zotero/blob/4.0/components/zotero-service.js | 09:48 |
| kanzure | possibly makeZoteroContext or ZoteroService in here | 09:49 |
| gradstudentbot | You used the wrong formula. | 09:49 |
| dpk | i see | 09:49 |
| kanzure | ugh i dunno if i want to dig through this at the moment https://github.com/zotero/zotero/tree/4.0/chrome/content/zotero | 09:50 |
| dpk | eek, yeah, that's a lot of stuff | 09:51 |
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| kanzure | so the advantage is that they have 200k users, and they fix their translator-parsers when they break, and the developers like my idea of abstracting away the parsers from xul-stuff | 09:52 |
| kanzure | so if i actually presented them with a working alternative they would probably implement | 09:52 |
| dpk | right | 09:52 |
| kanzure | i mean, they would probably merge or dump their current junk | 09:52 |
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| ParahSailin | does excel somehow know i pirated it and punish me by using 100% cpu whenever i have something on clipboard? | 10:13 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, /.join #git | 10:20 |
| delinquentme | lulzzzzzzzz | 10:20 |
| kanzure | what do you want | 10:22 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, do you want to merge that without the 'passwords' being scrubbed? | 10:23 |
| kanzure | i am still deciding | 10:23 |
| delinquentme | or do you want me to wipe them from history | 10:23 |
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| delinquentme | we've got 4 forks out already with the passwords in them. If we scrub the passwords from history it would be useless unless those guys rebased. | 10:29 |
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| kanzure | it was already merged | 10:33 |
| kanzure | "In 2014, there are still hospitals that are not totally converted to electronic medical records [in the United States]." | 10:35 |
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| archels | http://cs.nyu.edu/~zaremba/docs/understanding.pdf | 10:44 |
| archels | bit of an oh noes for artificial neural networks | 10:44 |
| delinquentme | wasnt there a startup whos claimed they're approaching whole blood manufacturing? | 10:45 |
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| kanzure | "In addition, the specific nature of these perturbations is not a random artifact of learning: the same perturbation can cause a different network, that was trained on a different subset of the dataset, to misclassify the same input." | 10:47 |
| kanzure | that sounds like magic? | 10:47 |
| delinquentme | LEVAN? | 10:48 |
| archels | well, the adversarial examples were generated in input space | 10:49 |
| kanzure | it was something madras | 10:49 |
| archels | it might mean that these different architectures transform the input space in a similar manner | 10:49 |
| kanzure | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IIT-Madras-ready-for-mass-production-of-artificial-blood/articleshow/17990139.cms | 10:49 |
| kanzure | "IIT-Madras scientists have blood on their hands — and nobody is complaining. A team of scientists from the department of engineering design has been successful in creating enough red blood cells from stem cells to be used as 'artificial blood' in people who need transfusion" | 10:49 |
| kanzure | and that one called arteriocyte | 10:50 |
| kanzure | http://singularityhub.com/2010/08/04/arteriocyte-produces-artificial-blood-sends-to-fda-for-approval/ | 10:51 |
| kanzure | archels: oh, over the same dataset. well ok. the same inputs can cause the same sorts of vulnerabilities/errors. | 10:53 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.compassbiomed.com/nanextrade-expansion-kit.html | 11:14 |
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| delinquentme | so they're expanding on umbilical cord blood. | 11:15 |
| delinquentme | How the fuck do we get to WORKING synthetic nano / micro / macro structures faster? | 11:15 |
| delinquentme | the more macro the structure the easier it will be | 11:17 |
| seba- | Trans Universe Zombie Church of the blessed ringing will perform same-sex weddings, as the first officially recognized religious community in Slovenia. | 11:17 |
| FourFire | delinquentme, build shit which can build shit which can build them? | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | so I supposed thats a starting point. | 11:17 |
| FourFire | theoretical blueprints? | 11:17 |
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| FourFire | "I just invented this large molecule, it's a nanobot grabber arm" | 11:17 |
| delinquentme | Ok I gotta go grab lunch ... but like | 11:18 |
| delinquentme | How do we find out whats the sufficient "module" which we can implant hepatocytes into ... and get useful cells | 11:18 |
| delinquentme | like clearly my femur is a working module as I'm typing | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | how do we extract it :D | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | lol not mine ... but like that working module | 11:19 |
| delinquentme | OK OUT! | 11:19 |
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| kanzure | http://cryptome.org/2014/05/monsegur-sentencing.htm | 12:15 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: so here's an idea for why lab equipment is still expensive, | 12:41 |
| kanzure | suppose you have someone that makes a super cheap piece of equipment | 12:41 |
| kanzure | often in molecular biology you really need the full set of tools to do anything productive | 12:41 |
| kanzure | and if the other tools in the set still cost a crapload, the utility to your customer of just buying one cheap thing is less because they need the other devices anyway | 12:41 |
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| ParahSailin | wouldnt that same behavior predict high prices at a grocery store as well? | 12:48 |
| kanzure | grocery store has other dynamics at play, like "people have been cooking for a very very long time, and families didn't pricejack each other, and this trend continues to this day"... maybe. | 12:49 |
| kanzure | alternatively, how much does an electric stove cost? | 12:49 |
| kanzure | nvm electric stove would be competing with the other low-priced items in cooking/food | 12:49 |
| kanzure | iirc commercial kitchen equipment may be expensive, though | 12:50 |
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| kanzure | fenn: ah here's the gyro thing i was talking about, http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/high-end-cnc-machines-cant-b.html | 14:10 |
| kanzure | .title | 14:10 |
| yoleaux | High-end CNC machines can't be moved without manufacturers' permission | 14:10 |
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| @fenn | are you kidding.. they can make nuclear bombs but they can't figure out how to disable some flunky GPS tracker | 14:19 |
| kanzure | i bet you could make money selling a service to disable them hah | 14:20 |
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| ParahSailin | i dont think it is saying that iran had these machines | 14:22 |
| kanzure | cnc machines can make nuclear bombs | 14:22 |
| ParahSailin | just that a similar attack to stuxnet could be done on these machines | 14:22 |
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| @fenn | speaking of commercial kitchen equipment, this is about 6 times cheaper than the equivalent consumer grade version (it seems to be cheaply made tho go figure) http://www.webstaurantstore.com/8-light-tin-springform-cake-pan/407CPSF8.html?utm_source=Amazon#reviews | 14:23 |
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| ParahSailin | ah, read that as present tense, not subjunctive | 14:23 |
| kanzure | congratulations you're now my go-to grammar person | 14:23 |
| kanzure | .wik subjunctive | 14:23 |
| @fenn | it's not necessarily that "commercial is more expensive" | 14:23 |
| yoleaux | "The subjunctive is a grammatical mood found in many languages." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjunctive | 14:23 |
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| kanzure | maybe it's one of the four humors | 14:24 |
| @fenn | subjunctive is like "if i were rich," | 14:24 |
| kanzure | i think it may be just a gyro + software lock | 14:25 |
| @fenn | there's no real good examples in english | 14:25 |
| @fenn | ok whatever, either way they can disable the stupid thing | 14:25 |
| @fenn | the DRM of the machine tool world | 14:25 |
| kanzure | i bet they come with key dongles | 14:26 |
| ParahSailin | subjunctive tense is a thing in english, just for most verbs the conjugation is the same as past tense | 14:26 |
| kanzure | "for security reasons, this cnc machine can only be used when the dongle is inserted" | 14:26 |
| @fenn | that's what those blue jumpsuit guys were | 14:26 |
| kanzure | "on a related note, the cnc cad software can also only be used with a dongle, and there's only one usb slot that doesn't work with other usb devices, so you can only use one dongle at a time" | 14:26 |
| gradstudentbot | I think I'll be done in 4 years. | 14:27 |
| @fenn | can't you just open softICE and delete that crap | 14:27 |
| @fenn | am i missing something here? | 14:27 |
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| kanzure | huh, that would have come in handy | 14:27 |
| kanzure | i was just using ollydbg and stuff | 14:27 |
| gradstudentbot | The smell of e.coli is so very rewarding. | 14:28 |
| @fenn | mmm smells like a parisian sewer | 14:29 |
| kanzure | "other lab equipment is also expensive, so none of the manufacturers have an incentive to optimize the price downward" makes sense, but i dunno about cnc stuff | 14:29 |
| @fenn | huh softICE is patented? wtf | 14:30 |
| kanzure | you need to pay for land and a building to put the machine in, which is often >$10k | 14:30 |
| kanzure | and then you have to pay for tooling (from the same manufacturer?) | 14:30 |
| @fenn | only if you're stupid | 14:33 |
| @fenn | no sense in buying a machine with a proprietary spindle | 14:33 |
| kanzure | they don't do proprietary spin-- yeah | 14:33 |
| kanzure | do they make those? and are people stupid enough to buy those? | 14:34 |
| @fenn | there were a variety of quick-change lathe chuck mounts | 14:35 |
| kanzure | btw, what about shopbot's stuff? why are those all >$20k | 14:35 |
| @fenn | i have no idea | 14:35 |
| @fenn | shopbot started out as "why are cnc routers so expensive, let's make an open source project" | 14:35 |
| @fenn | and for a while, it was. | 14:36 |
| @fenn | cheap* | 14:36 |
| kanzure | why are there still wood-only cnc routers? it's not like the cuts are better.. | 14:36 |
| @fenn | there's no such thing as a "wood only" tool | 14:36 |
| kanzure | oh they used to be cheaper? | 14:36 |
| kanzure | maybe they had to price-differentiate themselves from all the $300 lego cnc stuff | 14:37 |
| kanzure | lego-spindle heh | 14:37 |
| @fenn | any machine tool has a given range of stiffness, damping, power, precision, speed, and control | 14:37 |
| @fenn | if you mount a cutter with a smaller cutter face area, it will produce less force (and probably cut less material per pass) | 14:37 |
| @fenn | so for example you can drill through steel with a dremel tool | 14:38 |
| @fenn | even though it's a tiny thing with only high speed range and low torque and practically zero stiffness | 14:38 |
| @fenn | so, 80/20 is basically lego for big boys, and it makes a decent router | 14:39 |
| kanzure | it's interesting that none of the low-price cnc people have done demonstration videos of something like, "this part on our machine vs done on a bridgeport" | 14:40 |
| @fenn | http://makerslide.com/ meh | 14:42 |
| @fenn | i hate when you remember having an image on your hard drive but then its not actually there | 14:42 |
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| @fenn | well i cant find the image but i can describe it pretty easily. take a 2x1 rectangular 80/20 beam, and bolt a round rod into the groove in both short faces. now pinch the two rods with v groove rollers and voila, stiff, relatively accurate, wear-resistant, low friction | 14:46 |
| @fenn | i saw this back before all the makerslide crap | 14:47 |
| kanzure | y7es before makerslide it was openbeam.. or something. | 14:47 |
| @fenn | you can probably just glue it in, the forces are entirely compressive | 14:47 |
| @fenn | openbeam is cool | 14:47 |
| @fenn | i just mean, a steel rod will wear longer than a soft piece of aluminum | 14:48 |
| @fenn | you can order hardened rods | 14:48 |
| @fenn | also it can use sliding bearings, just cut a bronze bushing in half | 14:49 |
| @fenn | or hydrodynamic bearings or whatever | 14:49 |
| delinquentme | This is wild: female to male transition http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/220/testosterone?act=2#play and the effects of testosterone | 14:49 |
| @fenn | what do you need to do for a male to male transition with testosterone | 14:50 |
| kanzure | if these machines are $500-$700k, why is it that they still all only use gcode | 14:51 |
| @fenn | they don't all only use gcode, in fact most manufacturers have their own proprietary high level language | 14:51 |
| @fenn | supposedly there is step-nc but i don't know if anyone actually uses it | 14:52 |
| kanzure | oh how lovely | 14:52 |
| @fenn | yes even g-code has fake-propietary incompatibility for no reason | 14:52 |
| @fenn | stupid shit like "must use 6 leading zeroes and a decimal point" or "G81 is peck drill" | 14:53 |
| kanzure | do they at least give out documentation on their incompatibilities freely? | 14:53 |
| @fenn | sort of | 14:53 |
| kanzure | an open source cnc producer could probably trick all of the cam software people into cross-marketing | 14:54 |
| @fenn | they document what the machine expects, and you have to write programs to the spec | 14:54 |
| kanzure | (assuming the cam software people hate the current situation) | 14:54 |
| @fenn | there are "post processors" that take generic machine code and transform it into pseudo propietary crap g-code | 14:54 |
| delinquentme | fenn, thats not novel research . You'd know this just by where you live | 14:54 |
| @fenn | novel research? | 14:55 |
| @fenn | i was just whining about steroids being "controlled substances" | 14:55 |
| kanzure | you have to remember he's bad at reading and you have to adjust | 14:56 |
| @fenn | delinquentme: bad reader, bad! | 14:56 |
| * fenn smacks delinquentme with a newspaper | 14:56 | |
| kanzure | no you have to adjust by using lots of | 14:56 |
| kanzure | quick short | 14:56 |
| kanzure | exciting messages | 14:56 |
| @fenn | how exciting | 14:56 |
| @fenn | am i doing it right | 14:56 |
| kanzure | i believe you mean "very excitement" | 14:56 |
| @fenn | such message | 14:57 |
| @fenn | very quick | 14:57 |
| kanzure | "very quick" doesn't work | 14:57 |
| kanzure | "cnc equipment should be kept expensive so $ENEMY can't buy one" | 15:00 |
| kanzure | "In 2002 Hardinge Inc. moved the production of the famous Series I and EZ Vision Bridgeport knee mills to its headquarters' in Elmira, New York, under a licensing agreement. Two years later Hardinge Inc. acquired the Bridgeport brand and took over design and development of the entire line of CNC machining centers and mills." | 15:01 |
| @fenn | this is a weird happy coincidence http://reprap.org/wiki/File:CheapSkate_profile_bySeeMeCNC.JPG | 15:02 |
| @fenn | they make new bridgeports? why? | 15:03 |
| kanzure | their SEC filings might say why, http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/HDNG/3199845245x0xS1047469-14-2321/313716/filing.pdf | 15:04 |
| @fenn | i'm not reading that | 15:05 |
| @fenn | it was a rhetorical question | 15:05 |
| kanzure | $9M/year revenue only | 15:05 |
| @fenn | ok i found a thing that shows what i was talking about http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc-router-table-machines/91481-8020-mill-long-winded-post-56k-killer-2.html | 15:07 |
| kanzure | "The products are considered to be capital goods with sales prices ranging from approximately sixty thousand dollars for some high volume products to around $1.5 million for some lower volume grinding machines or other specialty built turnkey systems of multiple machines. Sales are subject to economic cycles and, because they are most often purchased to add manufacturing capacity, the cycles can be severe with customers delaying purchases ... | 15:07 |
| kanzure | ... during down cycles and then aggressively requiring machine deliveries during up cycles." | 15:07 |
| @fenn | except use real V groove rollers instead of that rusty garage door thing | 15:07 |
| kanzure | "There are thousands of | 15:09 |
| kanzure | machines in operation in the world for which we provide those repair parts and in many cases the parts are available exclusively from us. " | 15:09 |
| kanzure | there are only thousands of bridgeports? | 15:10 |
| @fenn | thousands of hardinge bridgeports maybe | 15:10 |
| @fenn | hardinge is not for production, it's to make tools and dies | 15:11 |
| @fenn | super high accuracy fetish-level equipment | 15:11 |
| @fenn | ask me if i give a shit | 15:11 |
| kanzure | hardringe bought bridgeport | 15:12 |
| kanzure | "In our industry, the barriers to entry for competition vary based on the level of product performance required. For the products with the highest performance in terms of accuracy and productivity, the barriers are generally technical in nature. For basic products, often the barriers are not technical; they are tied to product availability, competitive price position, and an effective distribution model that offers the pre and post sales ... | 15:14 |
| kanzure | ... support required by customers. Another significant barrier in the global machine tool industry is the high level of working capital that is required to operate the business" | 15:14 |
| @fenn | sales support requirement: don't install a fucking GPS tracking chip | 15:15 |
| @fenn | "He also confessed to conduct that the government was unaware of and, likely, never would have been able to prove. | 15:16 |
| @fenn | This of course dramatically increased his sentencing exposure" | 15:16 |
| @fenn | they say this like it was a smart move? | 15:16 |
| kanzure | "We deliver many of our machine products within one to two months after the order. Some orders, especially multiple machine orders, are delivered on a turnkey basis with the machine or group of machines configured to make certain parts for the customer. This type of order often includes the addition of material handling equipment, tooling and specific programming. In those cases the customer usually observes and inspects the parts being made ... | 15:18 |
| kanzure | ... on the machine at our facility before it is shipped and the timing of the sale is dependent upon the customer's schedule and acceptance. Therefore, sales from quarter-to-quarter can vary depending upon the timing of those customers' acceptances and the significance of those orders." | 15:18 |
| kanzure | fenn, it depends on the deal he was being offered | 15:19 |
| kanzure | fenn, the prosecutors might have been going easy on him | 15:19 |
| kanzure | prosecution is prolly happy about capturing everyone else or something- they already made their careers | 15:19 |
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| @fenn | i still think volunteering extra leverage over your personal freedom is a bad move in any situation | 15:20 |
| @fenn | "yes please enslave me further! pant pant" | 15:21 |
| kanzure | submission is often rewarded to demonstra-- bleh who cares | 15:21 |
| @fenn | also this doesn't make any sense, "the government ... then decided to publicize his cooperation to capitalize on the deterrent effect of announcing his cooperation." | 15:22 |
| @fenn | "all of the co-conspirators pled guilty without a trial" jeesh does nobody have a spine at all | 15:23 |
| kanzure | "look how efficient we are, no trials, no wasted resources, etc., please give me an office with a window :(" | 15:25 |
| kanzure | the punishments were unusually small i think- wasn't it 18 months of good behavior or something? | 15:25 |
| @fenn | "If there are any victims in the courtroom who would | 15:28 |
| @fenn | like to be heard, would you come forward, now." | 15:29 |
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| @fenn | (no victims) | 15:29 |
| @fenn | how are you supposed to express remorse and regret when there aren't any victims? | 15:29 |
| @fenn | i am so sorry, so very very sorry, for breaking the law and getting caught | 15:29 |
| gradstudentbot | The real reason I wanted to join this lab was because I love to clean glassware. | 15:30 |
| kanzure | "Total Google searches: 79762" | 15:30 |
| @fenn | why is revealing his cooperation a "deterrent"? | 15:31 |
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| kanzure | it's possibly something like "you can't trust collaborators" | 15:33 |
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| @fenn | but that just weakens the government's position | 15:34 |
| @fenn | "aw shucks we're just the FBI, not some intelligence organization" | 15:36 |
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| kanzure | don't ask me | 16:30 |
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| delinquentme | http://www.medgadget.com/2014/05/implantable-vagus-nerve-stimulator-to-lower-blood-pressure.html more 'electroceuticals ' | 16:42 |
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| kanzure | breakin' a rule, but the responses here are sane: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/26lwm3/harvardmit_cancer_researchers_here_might_rbitcoin/ | 17:02 |
| FourFire | kanzure, there's a rule against reddit? | 17:05 |
| kanzure | absolutely | 17:06 |
| kanzure | .title http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/27/uk-gsk-sfo-idUKKBN0E72AX20140527 | 17:09 |
| yoleaux | UK fraud office probes GSK after claims of foreign bribery | 17:09 |
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| @fenn | i'd like to buy a forever-set of tupperware for all my friends, so they can throw out all their old non-matching plastic containers: http://www.webstaurantstore.com/20493/heavy-weight-hot-microwaveable-round-deli-containers.html | 17:29 |
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| kanzure | i'm not able to evaluate that sentence | 17:31 |
| kanzure | what's the problem with non-matching colors? they are still stackable right | 17:31 |
| @fenn | the problem is the vast array of mutually exclusive lids and containers, and also containers that don't stack | 17:33 |
| kanzure | aren't "open standards" supposed to fix that | 17:34 |
| @fenn | especially lids/containers that look like they'll fit, but then don't | 17:34 |
| @fenn | there's no "tupperware liberation front" unfortunately | 17:34 |
| @fenn | at least san francisco has mostly settled on newspring-compatible containers | 17:35 |
| @fenn | the rest of the world is still an incompatible tupperwasteland | 17:35 |
| @fenn | big companies like ziploc/glad introduce new molds every few years that are incompatible with the previous generation | 17:36 |
| @fenn | these containers are 1/10 the cost, more durable, come in more sizes, and don't change for no reason | 17:38 |
| @fenn | you just have to buy 250 at a time | 17:40 |
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| delinquentme | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-second-chance-at-life--4 | 17:51 |
| delinquentme | Ira it looks like needs some funding =/ | 17:51 |
| @fenn | "bioquark"? | 18:00 |
| @fenn | oh, they want you to watch a video | 18:01 |
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| delinquentme | havnt read this yet : but sounds cool http://www.medgadget.com/2014/05/ge-releases-spinlab-mri-hyperpolarizer-for-cellular-imaging-of-metabolic-activity.html | 18:10 |
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| kanzure | "ge releases..." probably not cool | 18:15 |
| delinquentme | non invasive cellular metabolic imaging? | 18:17 |
| kanzure | or if it is, it's the sort of cool that they wont sell to you | 18:17 |
| delinquentme | OH! kanzure did you see michael bay might be remaking evangelion O_oo; | 18:17 |
| * delinquentme peed a little | 18:17 | |
| kanzure | didn't they just do that movie | 18:19 |
| delinquentme | transformers yearp | 18:20 |
| kanzure | no | 18:21 |
| kanzure | the fucking evangelion movie, dude | 18:22 |
| kanzure | argh | 18:22 |
| delinquentme | someone else made one??! | 18:22 |
| kanzure | pacific rim was basically evangelion | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | LOL. | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | kinda yeah. | 18:23 |
| delinquentme | alright ! Out for a bit! | 18:24 |
| kanzure | http://observationdeck.io9.com/the-comparison-everyone-wants-to-make-evangelion-vs-p-805474792 | 18:25 |
| gradstudentbot | I think my PI hates me. | 18:26 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: 23:07 < eristisk> Can someone who knows about it tell me is Counterparty is useful in any way at all? | 20:08 |
| kanzure | well, it's useful in the sense that it does exactly what mastercoin was planning on doin, except they implemented it | 20:11 |
| kanzure | um, dividends are part of the protocol, so there's that | 20:11 |
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| kanzure | what's the name of the "before going to mars" fallacy | 20:30 |
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