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| nmz787 | fenn: even the music in that video is pretty not-boring | 00:01 |
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| nmz787 | fenn: i see plenty of guys at intel in turbans | 00:02 |
| nmz787 | i've been growing my hair, but before I cut my beard i looked into some sikh beard-wrapping techniques before I decided to just chop most of it off | 00:03 |
| nmz787 | proteinmon | 00:06 |
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| entelechy | same with HP | 00:12 |
| entelechy | they all ate their own food together | 00:13 |
| entelechy | sikh food is the bomb | 00:13 |
| entelechy | in british columbia free sikh food on sundays for anyone at all, and you're encouraged to do a prayer but they don't communicate it too well so most people are too confused or ambivalent about it | 00:13 |
| nmz787 | that's anywhere in the world | 00:14 |
| nmz787 | its called a gurudwara or gurdwara | 00:14 |
| FireAura | wow that's pretty cool | 00:14 |
| nmz787 | guru's house is the translation | 00:14 |
| nmz787 | dwara means house or 4 walls or something like that | 00:14 |
| nmz787 | and the lunch is called langar | 00:15 |
| nmz787 | basically it was a leveling of the playing-field morally/socially/caste-wise | 00:15 |
| @fenn | proteinmon? | 00:15 |
| nmz787 | the kings and peasants all sat on the ground together | 00:15 |
| nmz787 | fenn: your pokemon idea | 00:15 |
| @fenn | oh, right | 00:15 |
| nmz787 | proteomon? | 00:16 |
| nmz787 | aminomon | 00:16 |
| @fenn | aminomnomnom | 00:16 |
| nmz787 | vs nucleomon | 00:16 |
| nmz787 | reverse trascribes to ribomon | 00:16 |
| * nmz787 deoxynuclease failed! | 00:17 | |
| * nmz787 hydroxide presented, backside attack!!! | 00:18 | |
| * nmz787 nucleomon was hydrolyzed | 00:18 | |
| nmz787 | :( | 00:18 |
| @fenn | i've never actually played pokemon | 00:19 |
| @fenn | i assume it's something like nethack | 00:19 |
| nmz787 | it was turn based | 00:19 |
| nmz787 | you were move around the world like zelda, from top-down perspective | 00:19 |
| nmz787 | then get into random fights if you went into the bushes or a cave or some dark place | 00:19 |
| nmz787 | and it would get face to face front-perspective | 00:20 |
| nmz787 | you had a list of attacks | 00:20 |
| nmz787 | and could go into an 'items' menu of crap you collected from the world | 00:20 |
| FireAura | various strengths and weaknesses based on the type of pokemon you have in play | 00:20 |
| nmz787 | (this is the video game pokemon, i have no idea what the card game was like, but i guess pretty much the same) | 00:20 |
| nmz787 | though i did collect the cards | 00:21 |
| nmz787 | so dum | 00:21 |
| nmz787 | and pogs | 00:21 |
| nmz787 | wtf were those | 00:21 |
| nmz787 | i realized recently it was like a drinking game for kids | 00:21 |
| nmz787 | with no drinking | 00:21 |
| @fenn | i realized that in elementary school | 00:21 |
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| FireAura | the card game differs a bit; you can do quite a bit in your turn, as opposed to only doing one thing per turn in the video games | 00:22 |
| nmz787 | thinking back, like, i didn't even have friends to play the game really against someone... it was just me collecting cardboard discs and throwing a slug of metal at them on the floor | 00:22 |
| nmz787 | pogs that is | 00:22 |
| @fenn | we played it more like tiddlywinks, you had to flip the pogs with the lemon pip effect | 00:23 |
| nmz787 | fenn: watched that vid, now watching a similar one on serial/UART | 00:23 |
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| @fenn | they have 600 videos | 00:23 |
| nmz787 | he isn't wearing a turban though, so i might skip this one | 00:23 |
| nmz787 | ahh, madras | 00:23 |
| ||0_-_0|| | paperbot http://www.nature.com/nrneurol/journal/v10/n4/full/nrneurol.2014.24.html | 00:24 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1038%2Fnrneurol.2014.24 | 00:24 |
| nmz787 | actually a biochemical pokemon clone would be pretty damn cool | 00:24 |
| nmz787 | i would sling that to kids | 00:24 |
| nmz787 | slip in organic chemistry rules | 00:25 |
| nmz787 | they might not even know it | 00:25 |
| nmz787 | characters would just be the pymol renderings or similar | 00:25 |
| FireAura | actually that would be amazing | 00:25 |
| nmz787 | there are a lot of rare chemicals with crazy powers/strengths | 00:26 |
| nmz787 | the whole mew/mewtwo thing | 00:26 |
| FireAura | well yeah absolutely | 00:26 |
| nmz787 | welp kanzure there's your maker faire booth for next year | 00:27 |
| FireAura | lol | 00:28 |
| nmz787 | you're going to have a gaming station that seductively teaches kids to be addicted to organic/bio chemistry | 00:28 |
| FireAura | hell why just kids | 00:28 |
| nmz787 | hahah | 00:28 |
| nmz787 | we're doomed | 00:28 |
| nmz787 | our neural networks aren't plastic enough | 00:28 |
| FireAura | i mean idk i may still qualify as a kid but i'd sure as hell play | 00:28 |
| nmz787 | :D | 00:29 |
| @fenn | speak for yourself, i've forgotten more than i ever knew | 00:30 |
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| nmz787 | how can you realistically 'forget more than you ever knew'? | 00:34 |
| nmz787 | that's like saying my hard drive holds less than it did when i bought it | 00:34 |
| nmz787 | i guess it is always hard to defrag? | 00:35 |
| FireAura | it would take some tinkering and probably screwing a ton of stuff up, but im sure it could be managed | 00:35 |
| nmz787 | and harder in humans? | 00:35 |
| nmz787 | they're talking about the 8085 proc in this video | 00:35 |
| FireAura | ah | 00:36 |
| @fenn | fill up your hard drive; erase everything; fill it up again; erase everything again. you now have forgotten more than you ever knew | 00:36 |
| jrayhawk_ | 20:40 < kanzure> jrayhawk_: you're now obliggated to top that, possibly by being reckless/dangerous | 00:40 |
| jrayhawk_ | what with the who now | 00:40 |
| nmz787 | jrayhawk_: have you heard of nodeconf? | 00:40 |
| nmz787 | i am watching a video now | 00:41 |
| @fenn | jrayhawk_: something about a flaming station wagon | 00:41 |
| nmz787 | they were decals | 00:41 |
| nmz787 | decal flames | 00:41 |
| jrayhawk_ | nope; lots of local Node activity around here judging from what i see go by on calagator, though | 00:41 |
| nmz787 | ahh, node.js? | 00:41 |
| nmz787 | not like, human social nodes? | 00:42 |
| jrayhawk_ | yeah | 00:42 |
| nmz787 | it was a link from some indian hackerspace that is starting up | 00:42 |
| nmz787 | but then in the video i saw nodeconf portland 2012 | 00:43 |
| nmz787 | on a tshirt | 00:43 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 00:43 |
| nmz787 | wad cunningham is the first name on nodepdx.org | 00:44 |
| @fenn | "tincture of 555" the new homeopathic remedy out of silicon valley | 00:44 |
| jrayhawk_ | haha "wad" | 00:44 |
| jrayhawk_ | ward participates in a log of local usergroup activity | 00:44 |
| jrayhawk_ | s/log/lot/ | 00:44 |
| jrayhawk_ | i think i helped him heckle one of jblake's presentations one time | 00:45 |
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| gene_hacker | biochemical pokemon? Man seems I missed quite the topic | 00:46 |
| nmz787 | hah | 00:48 |
| nmz787 | oh man, powdered toast man! | 00:49 |
| nmz787 | .wik powdered toast man | 00:50 |
| yoleaux | "Over its five seasons, The Ren & Stimpy Show featured a varied cast of characters, some who appeared in as few as one episode, and some who were practically regulars." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powdered_toast_man | 00:50 |
| @fenn | and on that note, good night | 00:51 |
| gene_hacker | 404 error childhood cartoons could not be found | 00:51 |
| nmz787 | hmm, people are saying hillhacks might be some hippie hacker woodstock like nodeconf type thing | 00:52 |
| gene_hacker | just need to solve this NP-hard problem... | 00:52 |
| nmz787 | interesting | 00:52 |
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| nmz787 | ren and stimpy has been my go-to cartoon for the past few weeks | 00:52 |
| nmz787 | hah, they just used the seizure-inducing flashing sequencne | 00:53 |
| nmz787 | https://twitter.com/harisibrahimkv/status/474394787152273408 | 00:54 |
| jrayhawk_ | it's you. you are what rolls down stairs alone or in pairs and over your neighbor's dog. | 00:55 |
| nmz787 | great for a snack | 00:55 |
| nmz787 | fits on yer back | 00:55 |
| jrayhawk_ | that's goinga little far | 00:55 |
| nmz787 | its the oregon fruit! | 00:55 |
| nmz787 | oregon-brocolli as some might call it | 00:56 |
| jrayhawk_ | haha | 00:56 |
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| jrayhawk_ | nmz787: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTUAujDVPDU is a thing that seems like it would be liked by my model of you | 00:56 |
| nmz787 | that's all i kept thinking when i was driving through the redwoods in norcal | 00:56 |
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| nmz787 | i just heard that 'the future is here, but not evenly distributed' quote recently somewhere else | 00:57 |
| nmz787 | huh | 00:58 |
| nmz787 | is this in oregon city? | 00:58 |
| jrayhawk_ | Yeah. | 00:58 |
| gene_hacker | that was kid's show? how? | 00:59 |
| nmz787 | hmm, i guess i drove over there once or twice | 00:59 |
| nmz787 | internet media? | 00:59 |
| nmz787 | hah, laboratory | 01:00 |
| nmz787 | its true though, i came from school in rochester, which was a waterfall town | 01:00 |
| nmz787 | some kinda thing | 01:00 |
| nmz787 | powerplant, water pumps for water system | 01:00 |
| nmz787 | turning water power into rotary power for factorys | 01:01 |
| nmz787 | that's where they first mass produced good quality gears | 01:01 |
| nmz787 | gleason works | 01:01 |
| nmz787 | that was river power | 01:01 |
| gene_hacker | interesting | 01:01 |
| nmz787 | the vast amount of engineering it drew allowed kodak to develop there | 01:02 |
| nmz787 | (and die) | 01:02 |
| nmz787 | and when they died, they were so big that it kinda killed the region | 01:02 |
| nmz787 | so dumb, they invented the digital camera | 01:02 |
| nmz787 | and thought it would lose them $ in film sales | 01:02 |
| jrayhawk_ | they were right! | 01:02 |
| nmz787 | truly a management mistake | 01:02 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 01:03 |
| nmz787 | this video says 'probably first sawmill west of the missispi' | 01:03 |
| nmz787 | idk about that | 01:03 |
| jrayhawk_ | a good waterfall is hard to find | 01:04 |
| nmz787 | lewis and clark was 1804 | 01:04 |
| gene_hacker | nmz787 you're in portland right? | 01:04 |
| jrayhawk_ | probably the biggest in its day west of the mississippi, at least | 01:04 |
| nmz787 | they took the missouri | 01:04 |
| nmz787 | which is west of the missisipi | 01:04 |
| nmz787 | gene_hacker: a little west of there | 01:04 |
| nmz787 | gene_hacker: how about you? | 01:05 |
| nmz787 | you're near right? | 01:05 |
| gene_hacker | are you going to pseudo maker faire in eugene? | 01:05 |
| nmz787 | hmm, when is it? | 01:05 |
| gene_hacker | tomorrow | 01:05 |
| nmz787 | i hadn't planned, we just had a booth at san mateo maker faire in bay area last month tho | 01:05 |
| nmz787 | oh :O | 01:05 |
| nmz787 | no i guess now | 01:05 |
| nmz787 | not | 01:05 |
| gene_hacker | well then you probably won't be missing much | 01:06 |
| gradstudentbot | I am completely satisfied with the size of my bench space. | 01:06 |
| gene_hacker | gradstudentbot how's research? | 01:06 |
| gradstudentbot | How many papers do you have published? | 01:06 |
| jrayhawk_ | are you going to take that sort of sass from gradstudentbot | 01:06 |
| gradstudentbot | Does this look contaminated to you? | 01:06 |
| gene_hacker | it doesn't cower in fear at that question, clearly it is not a gradstudentbot | 01:07 |
| gradstudentbot | I feel like you don't completely comprehend the scope of this work. | 01:07 |
| nmz787 | gene_hacker: so are you around/in portland? | 01:08 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Sequence_control_in_polymer_synthesis.pdf | 01:31 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: i keep seeing ATRP... which I think is a CMU thing, I emailed the polymer professor there... I'm from there... maybe I really just need to do a phd | 01:32 |
| gene_hacker | http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja5022415 | 01:33 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1021%2Fja5022415 | 01:33 |
| gene_hacker | a chemical controlled nanofactory | 01:34 |
| gene_hacker | for synthesizing proteins | 01:34 |
| gene_hacker | maybe that crazy idea for a light controlled DNA synth with 4 colors of lights isn't so crazy | 01:35 |
| nmz787 | nah | 01:35 |
| nmz787 | not at all | 01:35 |
| nmz787 | 4 groups is nothing | 01:35 |
| gradstudentbot | Sorry about that. | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | i'd say you'd need to think about 4 to 10 linkages for each 'arm'/color | 01:36 |
| nmz787 | and they'd only have so many degrees of freedom each | 01:36 |
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| jrayhawk_ | nmz787: Corvallis or thereabouts | 03:17 |
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| mosasaur | .wa melting point of coconut oil in degrees celsius | 04:49 |
| yoleaux | convert coconut oil: melting point to degrees Celsius: 25°C (degrees Celsius); Additional conversions: 298.2 K (kelvins); 77°F (degrees Fahrenheit); 536.7°R (degrees Rankine); 20°Ré (degrees Réaumur); 20.6°Rø (degrees Rømer) | 04:50 |
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| mosasaur | .wa melting point of palm oil in degrees celsius | 04:53 |
| yoleaux | mosasaur: Sorry, no result! | 04:53 |
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| jrayhawk_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_oil#Hydrogenation fully hydrogenated coconut oil is a fun concept; the melting tempuratures can get kinda ridiculous | 05:14 |
| jrayhawk_ | s/tempuratures/temperatures/ | 05:14 |
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| mosasaur | Here's a cheap thermometer. I'm somewhere above coconut, but below palm oil. | 05:20 |
| mosasaur | http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/oil-melting-points-d_1088.html | 05:20 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk_: approximate available area of desk space or floor space to put an automated microscope? | 07:06 |
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| ParahSailin | you think technically feasible to have a golf simulation with oculus rift where you hit an actual ball? | 08:04 |
| kanzure | then what are you simulating..? | 08:04 |
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| ParahSailin | hitting in a course rather than a small air conditioned room? | 08:08 |
| chris_99 | would the ball be hitting the wall then your face ;) | 08:09 |
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| ParahSailin | obviously there would be a backstop and youd only be hitting in one general direction | 08:09 |
| chris_99 | mm | 08:10 |
| kanzure | most people use nets for that | 08:10 |
| kanzure | yeah | 08:10 |
| chris_99 | dumb idea could you attach some kind of string to the ball, so that it autoretrieves it | 08:10 |
| gradstudentbot | The culture got contaminated. | 08:10 |
| ParahSailin | question is whether you could interleave the real ball into the simulation on the oculus screen seamlessly enough that it wouldnt disrupt hand-eye coordination | 08:11 |
| chris_99 | yeah | 08:11 |
| chris_99 | are you sure you need a real ball | 08:11 |
| ParahSailin | because otherwise its just masturbation? | 08:11 |
| chris_99 | huh, you'd still be getting visual feedback | 08:12 |
| gradstudentbot | The freezer was too cold and fucked up my sample DNA. | 08:14 |
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| streety | is there not some tactile feedback from hitting the ball? | 09:09 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: hah, you will be happy to learn that josh has hired people to build openpcr units: "San Francisco-based OpenPCR makes thermocyclers, apparatus that can “amplify” segments of DNA for testing. Initially funded with $12,000 from Kickstarter, it now has four full-time employees supported by sales of five $600 units a week. The company is planning to roll out real-time PCR machines that can give full results on a computer screen ... | 09:11 |
| kanzure | ... without having to send samples for lab analysis. These cost about $1,500, compared with $30,000 for rivals’ equipment, and have the potential to be adapted for other industries, claims Josh Perfetto, OpenPCR’s co-founder" | 09:11 |
| kanzure | $1500 for rtPCR.. hahaha. | 09:13 |
| kanzure | silly how that's still overpriced. although they have never really been about keeping things low cost. | 09:15 |
| gradstudentbot | Well, you can't guarantee that. | 09:18 |
| streety | do you know how many samples it can handle? | 09:20 |
| chris_99 | is the OpenPCR mainly a peltier and PID? | 09:25 |
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| streety | there is the block for the samples and presumably a heated lid as well | 09:29 |
| kanzure | digshadow: this might be a fun one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/KM1801VM2-IC-Microchip-USSR-Lot-of-1-pcs-/131200365911?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e8c26b557 | 09:43 |
| kanzure | erm, i mean, to decap and scan | 09:44 |
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| kanzure | "Микросхема КР1801ВП1 представляла собой базовый матричный кристалл (БМК) на основе которого можно было выпускать разнообразные цифровые устройства. Микросхема содержит примерно 5000 транзисторов (около 600 вентилей). Технологические нормы — 3 ... | 09:57 |
| kanzure | ... микрона по n-МДП технологии, размер кристалла 4,2 × 4,2 мм." | 09:57 |
| kanzure | (5000 transistors, 600 gates, 3 micron feature size) | 09:57 |
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| digshadow | kanzure: if you want to pay for it | 10:15 |
| digshadow | I'll image it | 10:15 |
| kanzure | digshadow: for future reference, approximately how annoying is it for you to image a single chip? | 10:19 |
| chris_99 | can you do SEM images out of interest digshadow | 10:19 |
| kanzure | so that i can know which things you would be interested in maybe scanning | 10:19 |
| digshadow | kanzure: about an hour of work | 10:23 |
| digshadow | for most chips | 10:23 |
| digshadow | maybe 2 on the high side | 10:23 |
| digshadow | usually I do them in batches of 20 or so | 10:23 |
| digshadow | which keeps it down | 10:23 |
| digshadow | chris_99: my SEM isn't working yet | 10:23 |
| digshadow | I'm working on learning CNC better right now | 10:23 |
| digshadow | so I can make some parts for it | 10:24 |
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| chris_99 | cool | 10:24 |
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| kanzure | huh, you are using gcode.. https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/pr0ntools/tree/master/cnc_microscope | 11:15 |
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| digshadow | kanzure: the old version did | 11:35 |
| digshadow | the g-code post-processor is still there though | 11:35 |
| digshadow | but I don't use it | 11:35 |
| digshadow | now I use this | 11:35 |
| digshadow | https://github.com/JohnDMcMaster/pr0ndexer | 11:35 |
| digshadow | a very basic COTS indexer | 11:36 |
| digshadow | (which doesn't use g-code) | 11:36 |
| digshadow | just generated a test mastercam job | 11:36 |
| digshadow | which *is* g-code | 11:36 |
| digshadow | going to try it out on the mill in a few min | 11:36 |
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| kanzure | digshadow: any particular reason you went with a pulley system instead of a threaded rod? | 11:58 |
| kanzure | i mean, the belts | 12:01 |
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| kanzure | like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVd5tAzHymc | 12:05 |
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| digshadow | hunh? | 12:34 |
| digshadow | what pulley system | 12:34 |
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| kanzure | i saw a video, looked like you were using belts.. | 12:54 |
| kanzure | i will second check | 12:55 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32DgR0cN0g&t=7s | 12:57 |
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| digshadow | kanzure: that was a proof of concept test | 13:04 |
| digshadow | but as a thought experiment | 13:04 |
| digshadow | how would a leadscrew help me there | 13:04 |
| digshadow | it would be much more complicated to setup | 13:04 |
| kanzure | well, i'm assuming you can cannibalize the microscope | 13:05 |
| kanzure | and use your own xy stage etc | 13:06 |
| kanzure | these assumptions might be wrong :) | 13:06 |
| archels | .title http://vimeo.com/88523949 | 13:09 |
| yoleaux | JackIn: Integrating First-Person View with Out-of-Body Vision Generation for Human-Human Augmentation (AH2014) on Vimeo | 13:09 |
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| digshadow | kanzure: definitely would not cannibalize the micrscope | 13:19 |
| digshadow | I do use my own xy stage | 13:19 |
| digshadow | and if I want to | 13:19 |
| digshadow | I do have a slot for a z axis picomotor | 13:19 |
| digshadow | but that cost way way more than the pulley thing | 13:19 |
| digshadow | I found everything in that prototype pulley system in the trash | 13:20 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: did you read the story about using the wrong dictionary, and switching to like a 1913 version? | 13:30 |
| nmz787 | it was on hackernews a few weeks ago | 13:30 |
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| kanzure | no | 13:32 |
| kanzure | digshadow: are there performance reasons you prefer it? | 13:33 |
| nmz787 | http://jsomers.net/blog/dictionary | 13:35 |
| kanzure | "He says, for instance, that in three years of research for a book about Alaska he’d forgotten to look up the word Arctic" story of my life | 13:38 |
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| pasky | that's pretty cool writeup | 13:43 |
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| nmz787 | this is pretty cool | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | http://dimit.me/Fe26/ | 13:58 |
| nmz787 | so for the bio/organic chemistry pokemon clone, instead of HP the measure could be entropy | 13:59 |
| nmz787 | maybe | 13:59 |
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| kanzure | what happened to "i only liked looking at the cards anyway" | 14:04 |
| kanzure | nmz787: btw, have you used brlcad's lens generator? http://brlcad.org/xref/source/src/proc-db/lens.c | 14:07 |
| gradstudentbot | My experiment was working a second ago, but now it doesn't even work. | 14:09 |
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| kanzure | .title http://users.bestweb.net/~ca314159/lenses.html | 14:19 |
| yoleaux | Lenses in POV-Ray | 14:19 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGqFxynCnvM | 14:27 |
| yoleaux | Cassegrain Telescope Simulation | 14:27 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: no | 14:53 |
| nmz787 | i think i installed brlcad once or twice | 14:53 |
| nmz787 | but didn't get anywhere with it | 14:53 |
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| nmz787 | this is neat http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0083325 | 15:16 |
| nmz787 | .title | 15:16 |
| yoleaux | PLOS ONE: Identifiable Images of Bystanders Extracted from Corneal Reflections | 15:16 |
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| FourFire | oh yeah I read that last year | 15:48 |
| FourFire | you need insane resolution for that though | 15:48 |
| ThomasEgi | or a more close-up duckface picture. | 15:50 |
| nmz787 | i wonder if that lumia cell phone cam is enough | 15:50 |
| nmz787 | i can't remember if it downconverts the 40MPix image to something less before giving it to the user | 15:50 |
| nmz787 | or if there's a way to get the raw image | 15:50 |
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| nmz787 | this one is pretty cool http://donzoptix.co.uk/POVZEMAZ/Movies/pipebend3.m1v | 15:56 |
| nmz787 | "The image to the left is a textured heightfield of the intensity at the screen for the value of the bend radius which maximises the intensity. The peak intensity is 0.8mm from the axis. The values were determined from the following 0.64MB movie: " | 15:56 |
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| kanzure | "he was the first to observe and describe single-celled organisms, which he originally referred to as animalcules," | 16:43 |
| * kanzure adds "animalcules" next to "animaltronics" | 16:43 | |
| kanzure | "To the disappointment of his guests, Leeuwenhoek refused to reveal the cutting-edge microscopes he relied on for his discoveries, instead showing visitors a collection of average-quality lenses.[17] An experienced businessman, Leeuwenhoek realized that if his simple method for creating the critically important lens was revealed, the scientific community of his time would likely disregard or even forget his role in microscopy. He therefore ... | 16:48 |
| kanzure | ... allowed others to believe that he was laboriously spending most of his nights and free time grinding increasingly tiny lenses to use in microscopes, even though this belief conflicted both with his construction of hundreds of microscopes and his habit of building a new microscope whenever he chanced upon an interesting specimen that he wanted to preserve. He made about 200 microscopes with different magnification." | 16:48 |
| kanzure | heh, you mean lenses don't take forever to grind? | 16:49 |
| kanzure | also, a few hundred lenses could still take bunches of time, i don't really buy "look! a large number!" as an argument that it was quick | 16:49 |
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| kanzure | why do these have to be so bulky http://www.grayfieldoptical.com/specials.html | 17:17 |
| kanzure | and they don't reuqire oil immersion | 17:29 |
| kanzure | most microscopes don't seem to be very micro :| | 17:31 |
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| kanzure | hm, whitesides just put a coverslip between the photoresist and oil for oil immersion objective lenses: http://gmwgroup.harvard.edu/pubs/pdf/757.pdf | 18:10 |
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| delinquentme | most microscopes don't seem to be very micro :| +1 | 18:58 |
| kanzure | .wik frits zernike | 19:07 |
| yoleaux | "Frits Zernike (/ˈzɜrr.nɪ.kiː/; July 16, 1888 – March 10, 1966) was a Dutch physicist and winner of the Nobel prize for physics in 1953 for his invention of the phase contrast microscope, an instrument that permits the study of internal cell structure without the need to stain and thus kill the cells." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frits_Zernike | 19:08 |
| kanzure | i remember using an invitrogen stain that didn't kill cells... | 19:08 |
| kanzure | but it could have been my imagination | 19:08 |
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| kanzure | this is an okay stereo microscope idea (no eyepieces) http://www.history-of-the-microscope.org/images/Mantis-Compact-stereo-microscope1.jpg | 19:11 |
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| kanzure | heh For the purposes of this forum, Microscopy or Microanalysis is considered to include all techniques which employ a probe such as: photons (including x-rays), electrons, ions, mechanical and/or electromagnetic radiation to form a representation or characterization of the microstructure (internal or external) of any material in either physical and/or life sciences applications. | 19:13 |
| kanzure | oops | 19:13 |
| kanzure | i meant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microscopy_Listserver | 19:13 |
| kanzure | geeze their archive pages are just giant dumps (this is at least 16 MB) http://www.microscopy.com/cgi-bin/ReadPrintEmailHTML.pl?filename=MicroscopyArchive00.txt | 19:14 |
| dpk | .in 12h fix wp:en:Fritz_Zernicke pronunciation key | 19:21 |
| yoleaux | dpk: I'll remind you at 16:22 CEST | 19:21 |
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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4606667 | 19:33 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/becb9d366e6c4bd29727bf9b7ff5d06b.txt | 19:33 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/4606667.pdf | 19:33 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b39cc0157e982af31cf36981516ade50.txt | 19:33 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/4606667.pdf?acceptTC=true&&acceptTC=true | 19:34 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f024d388e256fd7c693e20ed489eff00.txt | 19:34 |
| kanzure | i am very confused | 19:34 |
| kanzure | oh, right, cookies | 19:37 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/optics/The%20early%20history%20of%20the%20compound%20microscope.pdf | 19:38 |
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| kanzure | of course, now that you mentioned the word, i am seeing "polariton" everywhere.. | 20:12 |
| kanzure | .title http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1842150 | 20:14 |
| yoleaux | Using digital micromirror devices for focusing light through turbid media | 20:14 |
| kanzure | "The holy grail of biomedical optical imaging is to perform microscopy deep inside living tissue. Unfortunately, biological tissue scatters light, which prevents the formation of a sharp focus. However, recently it was shown that wavefront shaping can be used to focus light through and inside turbid materials. So far, most experiments used liquid crystal devices, which are too slow to match the dynamics of perfused tissue. Since DMD ... | 20:14 |
| kanzure | ... technology is approximately 1000 times faster, it may bring wavefront shaping to in-vivo applications. We will compare analytically the performance of different methods for focusing light through scattering media with an intensity-only light modulator." | 20:14 |
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| night | gradstudentbot: sup? | 20:44 |
| gradstudentbot | It's not really significant, but there's definitely a trend. | 20:44 |
| night | apologies, I'm going to be pinging gradstudent bot a few times as I test out stuff in my client | 20:45 |
| night | gradstudentbot: ping | 20:47 |
| gradstudentbot | I'll need to pull an all-nighter. | 20:47 |
| night | gradstudentbot: How's the weather over there? | 20:49 |
| gradstudentbot | Guys, where are my samples? | 20:49 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, https://www.innocentive.com/ar/challenge/9933557?cc=Nature9933557&utm_source=nature&utm_medium=pavilion&utm_campaign=challenges | 21:03 |
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| night | gradstudentbot: ping | 21:37 |
| gradstudentbot | There's no way to know for sure. | 21:37 |
| night | alright, good | 21:37 |
| night | everything's fixed | 21:37 |
| petrushka | gradstudentbot DNA replicase enzyme | 21:39 |
| gradstudentbot | My pub of choice is pubmed. | 21:39 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: the grayfieldoptical is a weird one... it seems kinda like bunlk or pseudoscience... I watched a video of their stuff a while ago, 6 months ago or so, and it was filmed in like the 90s and the images weren't too amazing to me (maybe I'm not enough of a cytologist or something) | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: it seemed like lots of super-fine tuning to get the absolute best image out of regular optics and optical techniques... but again, maybe I'm not enough of a cytologist or optician | 23:33 |
| kanzure | .title | 23:35 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: Sorry: that command is a web-service, but its response was too long. | 23:35 |
| kanzure | nmz787, as far as i can tell there are far less people looking at possible optical microscope designs than i thought | 23:39 |
| kanzure | and why aren't there combination telescope-microscope kits or something | 23:40 |
| gene_hacker | there are, they just aren't very good | 23:47 |
| kanzure | why do all bench microscopes look the same? why not just put it on an xy axis and be done with it.. | 23:49 |
| kanzure | don't forget z | 23:49 |
| gene_hacker | convergent evolution | 23:49 |
| kanzure | pfft i doubt it | 23:49 |
| kanzure | but nice guess :p | 23:50 |
| gene_hacker | tradition maybe? | 23:50 |
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| kanzure | .wik immersion lithography | 23:51 |
| yoleaux | "" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immersion_lithography | 23:51 |
| kanzure | dpk: something's wrong with the bot | 23:52 |
| kanzure | anyway if lithography people were using something other than oil immersion, then why don't non-oil-immersion 1000x objectives work on light microscopes | 23:52 |
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