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| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.mi.49.100195.003431 | 08:41 |
| kanzure | .title | 08:41 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.mi.49.100195.003431 | 08:41 |
| yoleaux | An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie | 08:41 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.mi.31.100177.000543 | 08:42 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.mi.31.100177.000543 | 08:42 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.mi.29.100175.000315 | 08:42 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.53.1.217 | 08:44 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.micro.53.1.217 | 08:44 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.micro.54.1.735 | 08:44 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1146%2Fannurev.micro.54.1.735 | 08:44 |
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| kanzure | "Impalefection is a method of introducing DNA bound to a surface of a nanofiber that is inserted into a cell. This approach can also be implemented with arrays of nanofibers that are introduced into large numbers of cells and intact tissue." | 09:00 |
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| kanzure | http://www.thefreelibrary.com/UK+Commission+comments+on+Zeiss+acquisition+of+Bio-Rad+business.-a0121714201 | 09:22 |
| kanzure | zeiss/bio-rad microscope monopoly stuff | 09:22 |
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| kanzure | Warning: Smarty error: unable to read resource: "wiki:YouTube" in /var/www/hackteria/wordpress/wiki/extensions/Widgets/smarty/Smarty.class.php on line 1095 | 09:28 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: why is hplc more common than surface display of proteins? | 10:06 |
| ParahSailin | for? | 10:06 |
| kanzure | protein purification | 10:07 |
| ParahSailin | because surface display is not a method for protein purification? | 10:08 |
| kanzure | well why isn't it? display the proteins, remove the cells | 10:09 |
| ParahSailin | its not gonna be pure | 10:11 |
| ParahSailin | pichia is relatively "clean" at secreting only what you want into the media, but you still have to purify | 10:16 |
| ParahSailin | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369703X11000325 | 10:21 |
| ParahSailin | i had gotten this from the researcher | 10:21 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/105433bb2848a3997f7fee7fb28251dc.txt | 10:21 |
| ParahSailin | but count that as another useful genetic material that that vegetarian wuss didnt want | 10:21 |
| kanzure | what about some sort of magnetic fusion protein and some way to wash off the magnetic part | 10:23 |
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| kanzure | here's a weird method, http://2013.igem.org/Team:CU-Boulder/Project/Kit/Purification | 10:25 |
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| ParahSailin | they get 50% purity from the intein cleavage and centrifugation deal | 10:25 |
| ParahSailin | thats pretty good for something that crude | 10:25 |
| ParahSailin | yeah i also had an ELP tag in my stock | 10:26 |
| ParahSailin | these highly repetitive sequences are a bitch with cloning | 10:27 |
| kanzure | "homemade miniprep spin column" http://2013.igem.org/Team:CU-Boulder/Project/Kit/DNAPurification | 10:28 |
| kanzure | meh protein purification is more impressive | 10:29 |
| ParahSailin | hplc is a four letter acronym, but its pretty simple in principle | 10:33 |
| ParahSailin | it doesnt really take that much to do it on a preparatory or industrial scale | 10:34 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=abd72b8c Bryan Bishop: other igem projects from 2013 >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/dna/projects/ | 10:49 |
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| kanzure | ParahSailin: what about this method, http://2010.igem.org/Team:INSA-Lyon/Project/Stage2/Theory#anne3 | 11:14 |
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| Technicus | Hello, does anyone have suggestions for building a mount to hanf filament spools over a makerbot? | 11:21 |
| Technicus | *hang | 11:22 |
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| gradstudentbot | Just wait until the ethics review board never hears about this. | 11:25 |
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| Technicus | Is this an approporate place to ask about how to design things to print with 3d printers? | 12:40 |
| nsh | surewhynot | 12:40 |
| nsh | as long as you don't ask about the appropriateness of asking | 12:40 |
| archels | Technicus: yes, it is. but your question is somewhat specific, so the odds of finding someone here are relatively low. | 12:41 |
| archels | perhaps posting in the appropriate forum/mailing list/newsgroup will yield a greater response | 12:41 |
| archels | that is not to say that you shouldn't stick around and shoot your ideas at us. someone might even shoot back. :) | 12:42 |
| Technicus | Well, I have access to a maker bot and I want to design things to print with it. I am on a Linux bases machine, what software is avaliable for Linux platforms? | 12:43 |
| * archels eyes kanzure | 12:44 | |
| Technicus | Here is an answer to my question: < http://www.makerbot.com/support/guides/design/ >. | 12:47 |
| chris_99 | also #reprap is extremely knowledgable about 3d printery stuff | 12:51 |
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| kanzure | chris_99: or #makerbot since he has a makerbot. i assume the #makerbot people would be more useful. | 13:06 |
| chris_99 | ah not 'erd of that one | 13:06 |
| kanzure | used to be larger until makerbot torpedoed their brand | 13:07 |
| gradstudentbot | Is this going to count as my ethics training? | 13:09 |
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| yottabit | this is far as i got during an interview today: https://gist.github.com/heath/b3633a2b67731abce756 took about an hour to get that much, kept realizing just how tough this problem is due to edge cases | 14:11 |
| yottabit | it's not even finished, doesn't have test cases, etc. :( | 14:11 |
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| yottabit | got up to l35, guess i should finish it | 14:13 |
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| kanzure | yottabit: did you consider using the urlparse module | 14:39 |
| yottabit | yeah, no libs were allowed | 14:40 |
| yottabit | first thing i asked | 14:40 |
| kanzure | you are using re | 14:40 |
| kanzure | they are liars | 14:40 |
| chris_99 | heh | 14:40 |
| yottabit | except re | 14:40 |
| yottabit | right :) | 14:40 |
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| kanzure | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ken-A-vision-T-19241C-Forensic-Comparison-Scope-2-Microscope-NEW-/261491632500?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce21da974 | 15:31 |
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| chris_99 | intriguing! | 15:33 |
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| kanzure | i posted the 35mm film trick, https://groups.google.com/d/msg/diybio/5hpQXZ6hFKY/baGNfY_-Wx8J | 17:35 |
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| kanzure | "I like the honey badger analogy, but imho it's more akin to an exponentially growing nest of killer bees" | 18:12 |
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| AshleyWaffle | http://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/comments/28c00e/anywhere_where_its_legal_to_get_cryopreserved/ | 18:53 |
| kanzure | sigh | 18:54 |
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| eudoxia | here's a better post: http://www.reddit.com/r/cryonics/comments/256pkd/should_i_use_alcor_or_the_cryonics_institute_for/ | 18:58 |
| justanotheruser | hello AshleyWaffle | 18:59 |
| * AshleyWaffle nibbles justanotheruser | 19:00 | |
| AshleyWaffle | :< | 19:00 |
| eudoxia | crowdfunding a pet's cryopreservation | 19:00 |
| eudoxia | what an era we live in | 19:00 |
| justanotheruser | AshleyWaffle: please no | 19:00 |
| AshleyWaffle | ok | 19:00 |
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| kanzure | eudoxia, you're not supposed to positively reinforce reddit links >:| | 19:51 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: what about yc links? | 20:13 |
| delinquentme | fenn, +1 on the poang chair | 20:13 |
| kanzure | so far those haven't demonstrated a problem | 20:13 |
| delinquentme | srsly comfy | 20:13 |
| kanzure | you will be judged for linking to crap | 20:13 |
| gradstudentbot | Sigh, my invasive fruit flies won’t have sex for me. | 20:15 |
| justanotheruser | now I want to link to /r/bitcoin posts to make fun of ignorance | 20:15 |
| kanzure | making fun of ignorance is acceptable, although only in small doses | 20:15 |
| kanzure | i am trying to avoid a constant stream of shitty "infotainment" links | 20:16 |
| kanzure | a lot of transhumanists get sucked into a void reading news articles that ultimately only serve to entertain them | 20:16 |
| kanzure | and i don't want any of that in here | 20:17 |
| kanzure | (there's often better entertainment anyway) | 20:17 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: entertainment is for plebs? | 20:17 |
| kanzure | uh? | 20:17 |
| kanzure | that sounds like a very different statement | 20:18 |
| * justanotheruser quiety goes back to #celebtriy-gossip | 20:18 | |
| justanotheruser | *celebrity | 20:18 |
| kanzure | nothing about "plebs" (wtf) | 20:18 |
| kanzure | i know it might seem odd to you, but i'm also pretty certain you've never seen another transhumanist group | 20:19 |
| kanzure | and i assure you that they are universally broken and do nothing | 20:19 |
| delinquentme | new mechanism for cleaning damaged mitochondria http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-06-mitochondria-neurons-neighbors-trash.html | 20:19 |
| kanzure | it makes the people in here look like demigods :( | 20:19 |
| kanzure | delinquentme is the king of shitty infotainment | 20:19 |
| kanzure | he's been addicted for years | 20:20 |
| delinquentme | yeeeeeeesh | 20:20 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: I've been in /r/transhumanism and its all pretty pictures | 20:20 |
| kanzure | haha you looked | 20:20 |
| delinquentme | emotions are a real component in motivation :D | 20:20 |
| justanotheruser | :x | 20:20 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: sorry, I didn't mean anything about the entertainment is for plebs other than a poorly thought out joke | 20:21 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: there are emotions that exist outside of reddit linkbait | 20:21 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: ah okay, thanks | 20:21 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, are you suuure? | 20:21 |
| kanzure | very | 20:21 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: All other transhumanism communities are broken though? | 20:22 |
| kanzure | very | 20:22 |
| justanotheruser | I came here from reddit btw | 20:22 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 20:22 |
| kanzure | didn't i abduct you from bitcoin things? | 20:23 |
| kanzure | hm | 20:23 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: no, we just saw each other on #bitcoin-dev a few times I think | 20:23 |
| kanzure | my abduction machine must be broken | 20:23 |
| justanotheruser | /r/nanotech said you were still maintaining nanoengineer-1 | 20:23 |
| justanotheruser | but I stayed for the transhumanism | 20:23 |
| kanzure | that is an impressively broad definition of maintenance | 20:24 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 20:24 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: Is the biggest roadblock in NE-1 lack of useage and is the biggest roadblock in usage python2? | 20:27 |
| kanzure | lack of usage- nope | 20:28 |
| kanzure | the biggest problem is that the source code was very poorly written | 20:28 |
| justanotheruser | That sucks considering how many man hours went into the code | 20:28 |
| kanzure | at least 4 years of 10 programmers iirc | 20:28 |
| justanotheruser | full time for all 10? | 20:29 |
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| kanzure | yes | 20:29 |
| gradstudentbot | I'm glad you brought that up, I'm going to do that right now. | 20:29 |
| kanzure | nanorex was chewing through cash like crazy | 20:29 |
| justanotheruser | They didn't have a source of income did they? | 20:30 |
| kanzure | it was all funded off of the proceeds of some dot com ftp company | 20:30 |
| justanotheruser | hmmm, would be nice if they paid 5 good programmers | 20:31 |
| kanzure | basically it needs to be refactored | 20:32 |
| kanzure | the gui components need to be separated from the underlying modeling stuff | 20:32 |
| kanzure | and modules should not have 300 lines of import statements | 20:32 |
| justanotheruser | lolwut | 20:32 |
| justanotheruser | please tell me that is an exaggurationnetwork-manager-openvpn is already the newest version. | 20:33 |
| justanotheruser | oops | 20:33 |
| justanotheruser | I ctrl+v's | 20:33 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer/blob/master/cad/src/model/chunk.py | 20:33 |
| * justanotheruser projectile vomits onto gradstudentbot | 20:34 | |
| gradstudentbot | I don't think my PI remembers me. | 20:34 |
| kanzure | who is your PI? | 20:39 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: the other thing is, it's hard to dig up the motivation to refactor it, since the actual simulation parts are the third-party libraries | 20:41 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: all the simulation/modeling is third party? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | modeling is in-house | 20:41 |
| kanzure | dumped to standard formats | 20:41 |
| kanzure | like mmp | 20:41 |
| kanzure | oops wait, mmp is their custom format | 20:42 |
| kanzure | i mean the other ones, like the pdb-compatible type | 20:43 |
| kanzure | gene_hacker: reasons i should refactor nanoengineer? | 20:43 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: Estimate the number of programmer-hours needed to rebuild from the core and utilize all the useful stuff they built | 20:45 |
| justanotheruser | Also, was it poorly written because researchers wrote it? | 20:46 |
| kanzure | i dunno if they were researchers | 20:46 |
| kanzure | it is easy for source code to become poorly written | 20:46 |
| kanzure | dingo has experience in that department ;) | 20:46 |
| dingo | researchers are notorious for bad code | 20:47 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: i would say at least a few houndred hours | 20:48 |
| kanzure | from the same person | 20:48 |
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| kanzure | not impossible, but still annoying | 20:48 |
| dingo | by the time you finish re-writing, you've learned so much more about designing software you want to re-write it all over again | 20:49 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: do you think that would put a little momentum behind the project? | 20:49 |
| kanzure | you could get a reasonably good library going for <100 hours that does many of the same things | 20:49 |
| dingo | its an infinite loop, at some point you just accept what you have and deal with the hairy parts and finish the damn thing | 20:49 |
| kanzure | so, the reason why momentum dropped off was because nanorex stopped paying people | 20:49 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 20:49 |
| kanzure | but the other reason is because nanorex couldn't find anyone who wanted to use it | 20:49 |
| dingo | sometimes incremental refactoring and documentation can go a lot farther than a complete rewrite | 20:50 |
| justanotheruser | ahead of their time? | 20:50 |
| kanzure | more like.. perpendicular to their time. | 20:50 |
| kanzure | say you have designed a beautiful carbon-diamond nanomachine. now what?? | 20:50 |
| justanotheruser | I have no idea how to interpret that | 20:50 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: that leads me to believe ahead of their time | 20:50 |
| kanzure | well, i mean, you can drag atoms around and stuff | 20:50 |
| kanzure | well okay | 20:51 |
| kanzure | it is hard to write software when you don't know what the use case is | 20:51 |
| kanzure | just a front-end to design simulation scenarios for molecular dynamics simulators?? | 20:52 |
| kanzure | that's okay, but it would be way better to be explicit about that | 20:52 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: well you can make DNA origamis right? | 20:53 |
| kanzure | kinda, cadnano might be better in that department by now (haven't checked in a looong time) | 20:54 |
| kanzure | http://cadnano.org/ "cadnano simplifies and enhances the process of designing three-dimensional DNA origami nanostructures. Through its user-friendly 2D and 3D interfaces it accelerates the creation of arbitrary designs. The embedded rules within cadnano paired with the finite element analysis performed by cando, provide relative certainty of the stability of the structures." | 20:54 |
| justanotheruser | open source? | 20:54 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/sdouglas/cadnano2 | 20:54 |
| justanotheruser | nvm | 20:54 |
| justanotheruser | ok thanks | 20:54 |
| justanotheruser | nanoengineers seems more like an AIO | 20:55 |
| kanzure | ? | 20:55 |
| justanotheruser | All-In-One | 20:55 |
| kanzure | ugly kitchen sink :) | 20:55 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 20:55 |
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| kanzure | yes/no? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Applied-Biosystems-391-DNA-Synthesizer-PCR-Mate-/121364913113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c41e99bd9 | 21:03 |
| kanzure | just as a toy | 21:03 |
| kanzure | feel like i've seen this cheaper, dunno | 21:03 |
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| kanzure | lolz "Cycle time: 5.6 minutes" | 21:05 |
| kanzure | hahah "Coupling efficiency: >98%" | 21:05 |
| kanzure | "List: $26,700" pffft | 21:06 |
| kanzure | "pls ship to Ayman al-Zawahiri" <nmz787's address> | 21:12 |
| jrayhawk_ | haha | 21:15 |
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| kanzure | this guy gets it | 21:16 |
| kanzure | bin laden is so last century | 21:16 |
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| kanzure | nmz787: want it? | 21:20 |
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| kanzure | similar model is going for 7x http://www.ebay.com/itm/Applied-Biosystems-394-DNA-RNA-Synthesizer-with-Spares-and-Manuals-/321431197201?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad6cad611 | 21:22 |
| kanzure | $500 seems ok | 21:23 |
| kanzure | ha! "This unit will hook directly to a McIntosh. This Hypercard® program lets you import, edit and store sequences on the computer, then download them to the ABI 391 without additional keystrokes." | 21:24 |
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| kanzure | dimensions: 21" wide, 16" high, 15" deep | 21:41 |
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| nmz787 | hi | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | which? | 21:52 |
| kanzure | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Applied-Biosystems-391-DNA-Synthesizer-PCR-Mate-/121364913113?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c41e99bd9 | 21:52 |
| kanzure | deets http://www.pemed.com/lab/synthes/synthes.htm | 21:54 |
| kanzure | "the most important bullshit rule with Jackson Labs is the company must have had the same address for the past 3 years. so plan 3 years ahead." | 21:54 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 21:56 |
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| nmz787 | apparently these columns are compatible http://www.lifetechnologies.com/order/catalog/product/4316341 | 22:02 |
| nmz787 | just shy of $10 each | 22:02 |
| kanzure | we could either use the synthesizer or do a teardown and reverse engineer any software | 22:03 |
| kanzure | or both | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | "the printer formerly know as prints" | 22:03 |
| nmz787 | it says 'extremely clean' | 22:04 |
| nmz787 | oh | 22:04 |
| nmz787 | no | 22:04 |
| nmz787 | 'externally ' | 22:04 |
| kanzure | "externally clean" | 22:04 |
| kanzure | one of the tubes is dirty or something | 22:04 |
| kanzure | blockage | 22:04 |
| kanzure | "The instrument's phosphoramidite tubing will need to be replaced since it is clogged" | 22:04 |
| nmz787 | hopefully the valves are OK | 22:04 |
| kanzure | "I will include a section of the old tubing as a sample since I had removed it from the instrument when I was working on it." | 22:05 |
| kanzure | also we'd need to do some stencil artwork on the sides | 22:05 |
| nmz787 | i haven't actually priced $/bp for a machine like this, I'd always just assumed it was too much such that my school never used the one they had | 22:05 |
| kanzure | like this- http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000002388095-jxf9rp-crop.jpg?30a2558 | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | it would certainly be awesome for learing with and trying to get running, taking lots of pics and maybe firmware dumps | 22:06 |
| kanzure | yes | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | who knows what the software is | 22:06 |
| kanzure | hypercard | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | no way | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | i thought that was a joke post | 22:06 |
| nmz787 | like on the onion.com | 22:06 |
| kanzure | reality is worse than fiction | 22:07 |
| kanzure | so i'll buy this and ship it to you, if you'll commit to doing at least a well-documented teardown | 22:07 |
| nmz787 | sure | 22:07 |
| kanzure | this is also ok to ship to your home address? | 22:07 |
| nmz787 | that will be good for takeitapart too maybe | 22:07 |
| nmz787 | uh, i guess use the other | 22:07 |
| nmz787 | the the highway one | 22:08 |
| kanzure | 21" wide, 16" high, 15" deep | 22:08 |
| kanzure | got a way to move it? | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | yeah i have a car and suv | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | though I think I need at least a new battery for the SUV | 22:08 |
| nmz787 | I'll need to get an argon tank and some regulator stuff i guess | 22:10 |
| kanzure | check gchat for address confirmation | 22:10 |
| nmz787 | in case there's a chance this works | 22:11 |
| kanzure | i think we can use dyed water to test operation | 22:11 |
| kanzure | "You will receive an email confirmation shortly" | 22:15 |
| kanzure | definitely need to repaint it | 22:19 |
| kanzure | my vote is http://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000002388095-jxf9rp-crop.jpg?30a2558 | 22:19 |
| gradstudentbot | The lab meeting was cancelled. | 22:20 |
| bkero | oh hey it's a phage | 22:20 |
| bkero | looks like sputnik | 22:20 |
| kanzure | i'm open to other ideas | 22:20 |
| bkero | https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ACaDF0kiT5I/TJJtIZ89EJI/AAAAAAAAAr0/ebavLhI2sYA/s1600/phage.jpg | 22:21 |
| bkero | That phage needs a sinister mustache. | 22:22 |
| kanzure | could also go for propaganda.. http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/aubrey.jpg | 22:24 |
| bkero | haha | 22:26 |
| bkero | aubrey looks like hell in that | 22:26 |
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| kanzure | obviously what we need here is a graffiti artist | 22:35 |
| kanzure | http://media.hamptonroads.com/cache/files/images/1070111.jpg | 22:37 |
| kanzure | http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/icbm.jpg | 22:38 |
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| nmz787 | lenovo put my laptop fan right where i'd like to set my beer | 22:48 |
| kanzure | beige office equipment always reminds me of the borg | 22:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.pemed.com/lab/synthes/abipcr02_6.jpg | 22:50 |
| kanzure | the color should be renamed xerox beige | 22:50 |
| kanzure | http://www.governmentauctions.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Xerox-430DC-copier.JPG | 22:51 |
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| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7902219 | 22:55 |
| yoleaux | Lattice's $24.99 FPGA Evaluation Kit | 22:55 |
| bkero | Cheap FPGA | 22:56 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN/220-2656-ND/4289604 | 22:56 |
| yoleaux | ICE40HX1K-STICK-EVN Lattice Semiconductor Corporation | 22:56 |
| kanzure | .title http://vimeo.com/98321051 | 22:59 |
| yoleaux | BE200 Immersion Test on Vimeo | 22:59 |
| kanzure | immersion of asicminer | 22:59 |
| kanzure | hmm i would expect people to be using needles to inject flows into specific areas, instead of letting the board geometry determine where the flow goes | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | the weird thing is i was just looking at digikey's FPGA page yesterday and earlier | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | and i couldn't find much info on the ice40 chip | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | cause it was the cheapest on digikey | 23:03 |
| night | Can anyone here offer recommendations for consumer grade EEG headsets? | 23:03 |
| kanzure | 1) don't do it 2) emotiv sucks, but is probably your best bet for "consumer" | 23:03 |
| night | what is your reasoning behind number one, kanzure? | 23:04 |
| kanzure | i have used it and it sucks | 23:04 |
| night | say I wanted to control a web browser with three functions: "click," "back," and "forward" | 23:04 |
| night | would it be accurate enough for that? | 23:04 |
| kanzure | yes, sorta | 23:06 |
| kanzure | Daeken: ping | 23:06 |
| kanzure | http://pub5.di.fm/di_progressive_aac?type=.aac | 23:08 |
| gene_hacker | reasons you should refactor nanoengineer? | 23:10 |
| kanzure | yeah | 23:10 |
| gene_hacker | well it's a really nice piece of software for drawing and simulating atoms | 23:10 |
| night | kanzure: I arrived at Emotiv as well, so it looks like I will be getting it. Is there anything they don't tell you about it that I should know? | 23:10 |
| kanzure | gene_hacker: so, for simulation setup? | 23:10 |
| gene_hacker | and it looks like the lab group I'm in will be using it | 23:11 |
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| kanzure | yo defalt | 23:12 |
| gene_hacker | because it's great for sketching stuff out fast | 23:12 |
| kanzure | i see | 23:12 |
| kanzure | so, you mean the GUI? | 23:12 |
| kanzure | when i was thinking about refactoring it, i was thinking of leaving the GUI behind | 23:12 |
| kanzure | and just doing a small programming tool | 23:12 |
| kanzure | but if the primary usefulness is GUIness.... | 23:12 |
| gene_hacker | well, there are plenty of atomistic simulation tools | 23:12 |
| kanzure | hm | 23:12 |
| gene_hacker | like LAMMPS and what not | 23:13 |
| gene_hacker | they're just really hard to use and setup | 23:13 |
| kanzure | so, ideally, should it restrict you to physically possible molecules, or let you attach any atoms | 23:13 |
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| gene_hacker | I just want to be able to do metals | 23:13 |
| night | kanzure: I would like to talk briefly sometime if you aren't busy | 23:13 |
| kanzure | night: emotiv sucks. their software is proprietary. | 23:14 |
| gene_hacker | or put in pseudo atoms that represent groups of atoms | 23:14 |
| kanzure | however, a certain someone blackmailed his way into acquiring their source code | 23:14 |
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| gene_hacker | nice | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | well here's this http://www.latticesemi.com/~/media/Documents/Handbooks/iCE40FamilyHandbook.pdf | 23:14 |
| kanzure | night: the dildo guy has been maintaining the software that daeken and i wrote for emotiv reverse engineering reasons, https://github.com/openyou/emokit | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | gene_hacker: have you done programming? | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: what language is it? | 23:15 |
| gene_hacker | now if somebody could do it for the new kinect | 23:15 |
| kanzure | emokit is in python and C | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | no nano | 23:15 |
| kanzure | nanoengineer is in python | 23:15 |
| gene_hacker | nmz787, all day everyday | 23:15 |
| kanzure | C#? | 23:15 |
| gene_hacker | you guessed it | 23:15 |
| night | kanzure: their EEG description seems to imply (http://emotiv.com/eeg/) that the raw data is accessible. What parts are proprietary? | 23:16 |
| night | Thanks for the link. | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | so have you started debugging it gene_hacker ? | 23:16 |
| kanzure | night: raw data is accessible for their 'research' license. unless you use emokit. | 23:16 |
| gene_hacker | debugging what? nanoengineer? | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | like does it allow you to add more bonds? yeah | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | nanoengi | 23:16 |
| kanzure | nmz787: nanorex abbreviated NE-1 | 23:16 |
| kanzure | *abbreviated it | 23:16 |
| night | Ok, thank you | 23:16 |
| gene_hacker | sort of | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | ? | 23:17 |
| nmz787 | it would seem the answer would be either it does or it restricts you from doing so | 23:17 |
| kanzure | you mean in the source code? | 23:17 |
| kanzure | it's not very clear :) | 23:17 |
| nmz787 | not restricting you from adding bonds doesn't mean it runs correctly afterwards | 23:18 |
| gene_hacker | it currently restricts me from doing so | 23:18 |
| nmz787 | ok, so you can't add metals... not that adding them causes undefined behaviour | 23:18 |
| nmz787 | e.g. doesn't work right | 23:18 |
| kanzure | the README has a link to a chroot and instructions for running it | 23:18 |
| gene_hacker | yeah, when I ran a zinc porphyrin it seemed sort of funky | 23:18 |
| gene_hacker | alas, I don't know how a zinc porphyrin is supposed to behave | 23:19 |
| gradstudentbot | Did you order the carbon nanotubes yet? | 23:20 |
| gene_hacker | yes, but then I took a picture of them and they vanished! | 23:21 |
| gene_hacker | http://www.chem.purdue.edu/bcce/Campbell_flash_demo.pdf | 23:22 |
| nmz787 | yo dawg, i heard you like locked loops, so I put a delay locked loop in your phase locked loop, so you can.... | 23:23 |
| nmz787 | ... loop while you loop? | 23:23 |
| kanzure | carbon nanotube evaporation due to photography | 23:23 |
| kanzure | that seems very unfortunate | 23:23 |
| kanzure | or inconvenient | 23:23 |
| gene_hacker | or very convenient if you are making light triggered explosives or anti-cancer drugs. | 23:24 |
| kanzure | hahaha jojack put his photo as his lab site's hero shot http://biotechnbeyond.com/ | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | oh man, I bet pre-silicon clock engineers who use Windows to develop department tools would get confused over compiling the DLL | 23:25 |
| gene_hacker | *click* FLASH, all your cancer cells are dead | 23:25 |
| kanzure | http://biotechnbeyond.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/green_science-860x228-1.jpg | 23:25 |
| nmz787 | i heard you like DLLs, so I compiled your DLL into a DLL | 23:26 |
| nmz787 | so your program can import then contort | 23:27 |
| kanzure | btw, i bought http://www.amscope.com/t120c.html | 23:27 |
| nmz787 | ok | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | sent to you? | 23:28 |
| kanzure | haha yes | 23:28 |
| nmz787 | cool, gonna do stuff in parallel? | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | or webscope | 23:29 |
| gradstudentbot | The fluorescent microscope is broken. | 23:29 |
| kanzure | nah this is just me realizing i don't have a microscope | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | i can't tell if that has infinity objectives | 23:29 |
| kanzure | it probably does not | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | cool, seems good enough | 23:29 |
| kanzure | other pages say "Corrected" or "Infinity corrected" | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | for that | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 23:29 |
| nmz787 | infinity objectives on ebay aren't too bad | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | but the big name brands are in the hundreds | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | so who knows | 23:30 |
| kanzure | this seems to be their most expensive http://www.amscope.com/t700a.html | 23:30 |
| nmz787 | http://www.microscopenet.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=infinity&x=0&y=0 | 23:31 |
| kanzure | 0.80 NA for $400 wtf? | 23:31 |
| nmz787 | $620 trinocular http://www.microscopenet.com/infinitycorrected-trinocular-compound-microscope-40x1500x-p-8908.html | 23:32 |
| kanzure | that comes with a 100x 1.25 NA objective | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | "four high quality infinity-corrected plan objectives." | 23:32 |
| kanzure | why is the other one 0.80 NA and $400 | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | uh | 23:32 |
| nmz787 | the .8 might not need oil? | 23:33 |
| kanzure | http://www.microscopenet.com/100x080-infinitycorrected-plan-field-microscope-objective-p-9474.html?osCsid=a4691c15krdrbo2lerlb61eot5 | 23:33 |
| kanzure | ah you're right | 23:33 |
| kanzure | that is cool | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | or does it need stronger oil? | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | the opposite? | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | :O | 23:33 |
| night | kanzure: it appears that the "Research SDK" is $750, and it includes the EEG headset. Meanwhile, the headset can be bought on its own for $750. Is there any reason I shouldn't get the Research SDK? | 23:33 |
| kanzure | headset should be more like $100-200 | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | " 100X dry (immersion oil free) " | 23:33 |
| nmz787 | ah | 23:33 |
| kanzure | am skeptical of $750 for just headset | 23:33 |
| kanzure | you can probably get one on ebay for $50 | 23:34 |
| night | something's wrong with their pricing | 23:34 |
| kanzure | hm, nope not on ebay | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDQQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.disc-group.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F05%2FBlu-Ray-1-PhysicalFormatSpecs-BD-RE-1.065KB.pdf&ei=keGfU7vxFtKIogSN-oGgAQ&usg=AFQjCNG17XPZy4jT7b-itBvIXUMtRLmGmQ&sig2=d4XTTagIWMWviqsNSjK4Yg&bvm=bv.68911936,d.cGU | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | http://www.disc-group.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Blu-Ray-1-PhysicalFormatSpecs-BD-RE-1.065KB.pdf | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | sorry | 23:34 |
| nmz787 | 0.85 NA | 23:34 |
| kanzure | weird | 23:35 |
| kanzure | could probably stick that on the end of a tube | 23:35 |
| nmz787 | but there is something about the working distance taking the plastic cover layer into lensing effect account | 23:35 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.disc-group.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Blu-Ray-1-PhysicalFormatSpecs-BD-RE-1.065KB.pdf | 23:35 |
| nmz787 | of the disc | 23:35 |
| paperbot | XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 51, in _go) | 23:35 |
| kanzure | uh | 23:35 |
| kanzure | *ugh | 23:35 |
| kanzure | gradstudentbot: you fix it | 23:35 |
| gradstudentbot | Should I still be wearing gloves? | 23:35 |
| nmz787 | http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/White_paper_Blu-ray_Disc_Format.pdf | 23:35 |
| nmz787 | JS wins! | 23:35 |
| nmz787 | well, there is python involved | 23:36 |
| nmz787 | the dynamic duo? | 23:36 |
| kanzure | .wik dynamic duo | 23:37 |
| yoleaux | "Disambiguation: Dynamic duo" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_duo | 23:37 |
| kanzure | .wik Dynamic Duo | 23:37 |
| yoleaux | "Dynamic Duo (Korean: 다이나믹듀오) is a Korean hip hop duo that consists of Choiza (Korean: 최자) and Gaeko (Korean: 개코) that are the main representative artists for urban music label, Amoeba Culture. Their debut album “Taxi Driver (2004) was the best-selling Hip Hop album in South Korea." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Duo | 23:37 |
| nmz787 | I don't think you'd get good results trying to steal a bluray objective for an imaging microscope, but i'd be interested to find out what it would look like | 23:37 |
| kanzure | .g site:youtube.com taxi driver 2004 | 23:38 |
| yoleaux | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjiNBiEUaQ | 23:38 |
| kanzure | ugh | 23:38 |
| kanzure | .g site:youtube.com dynamic duo taxi driver | 23:38 |
| yoleaux | https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6A6P69kEO-Egi6Ayk06cYI0GyUoUzA-M | 23:38 |
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| nmz787 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Tq8-6l2rd4 | 23:39 |
| nmz787 | oh | 23:39 |
| nmz787 | you beat me | 23:39 |
| nmz787 | ok i should get to bed | 23:39 |
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| AshleyWaffle | hey | 23:55 |
| AshleyWaffle | I have another bci question | 23:55 |
| * AshleyWaffle nibbles kanzure's attention neural nets :3 | 23:56 | |
| AshleyWaffle | so, they did an experiment where they tried to scan someones dream onto a computer | 23:56 |
| AshleyWaffle | with limited success: | 23:56 |
| AshleyWaffle | http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/scientists-learn-how-to-record-your-dreams-and-play-them | 23:56 |
| AshleyWaffle | so I wanna know, whats the bottleneck? | 23:56 |
| AshleyWaffle | neural understanding? data resolution? precision? | 23:57 |
| AshleyWaffle | because they were really imprecise recordings | 23:57 |
| AshleyWaffle | http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/scientists-figure-out-what-you-see-while-youre-dreaming-15553304/?no-ist= | 23:57 |
| ebowden | There's probably a number of bottlenecks. | 23:58 |
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