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| nmz787 | to whoever mentioned my requirements was missing youtube-dl... I added it, along with some improvements https://github.com/nmz787/youtube-audio-flask/ | 01:09 |
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| nmz787 | also found out tonight that the youtube API V2 is deprecated, and the V3 API requires a dev key... guess I have a lil less than a year til they shut off V2 API | 01:11 |
| nmz787 | I think I could probably just scrape the youtube search results though, if I don't want it to rely on a dev key | 01:11 |
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| chris_99 | kanzure, this may interest you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobulation i think you where talking about LCD projectors and the dead area between pixels a while ago | 04:55 |
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| kanzure | .wik wobulation | 06:01 |
| yoleaux | "Wobulation is a term which refers to the known variation (or wobble) in a characteristic. For example, the term is used to describe advanced radar waveform modulations – where the repetition rate or centre frequency of a signal is changed in a repetitive fashion to reduce the probability of detection." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobulation | 06:01 |
| chris_99 | it seems to be used in DLP projectors | 06:01 |
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| eudoxia | today i had a dream that i shouldn't write compilers in C++ | 06:27 |
| eudoxia | lisa simpson told me to use haskell | 06:27 |
| kanzure | she was right to do that | 06:28 |
| eudoxia | my subconscious evidently is no stickler for subtletly | 06:29 |
| eudoxia | then we flew through the pages of LYAH and i woke up | 06:29 |
| kanzure | all of my dreams are basically this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdj6deraQ6k | 06:35 |
| eudoxia | i would have expected something more like a requiem for homo sapiens with anders sandberg as hanuman li tosh | 06:38 |
| kanzure | not bald enough | 06:38 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13Ra0Kt8orY | 06:55 |
| yoleaux | EXIT TRANCE - Track 01 - only my railgun | 06:55 |
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| ParahSailin | kanzure: so its not normally expected that one find the exact curve of intersection between two surfaces? | 07:11 |
| ParahSailin | one is allowed to just fudge it by subdividing surfaces into polygons and come up with a curve thats pretty close? | 07:11 |
| kanzure | people certainly do subdivision, but i'm not sure if it's necessary | 07:12 |
| kanzure | it's certainly easier | 07:13 |
| kanzure | not sure if it should be allowed | 07:13 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/cad/ | 07:13 |
| kanzure | this one has source code available too, | 07:13 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/cad/ESOLID%20-%20a%20system%20for%20exact%20boundary%20evaluation%20-%202004.pdf | 07:13 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/esolid/ | 07:13 |
| ParahSailin | opennurbs_ext does what i described | 07:13 |
| kanzure | tessellation is probably just because they have to do raytracing | 07:14 |
| kanzure | the other stuff is in librt/primitives/brep/ or librt/primitives/nurbs/ somewhere | 07:15 |
| ParahSailin | nah, in the gsoc page he says all the magic is in opennurbs_ext | 07:15 |
| kanzure | well that's sad | 07:15 |
| kanzure | i don't think that subdivision approximation is valid | 07:15 |
| kanzure | you might as well just do polyhedral approximation boolean stuff | 07:16 |
| ParahSailin | / Here we use polyline approximation. // TODO: Find a better fitting algorithm unless this is good enough. | 07:16 |
| ParahSailin | now i wonder if opencascade does it exact | 07:16 |
| kanzure | i would start looking around here, https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/tree/master/src/BOPAlgo | 07:17 |
| kanzure | also.. see utah_brep_intersect in https://github.com/kanzure/brlcad/blob/master/src/librt/primitives/brep/brep.cpp | 07:19 |
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| ParahSailin | is it even possible to define a new nurb surface given a nurb surface and a parametric curve on that surface? | 07:23 |
| kanzure | dunno :/ | 07:24 |
| kanzure | translating my nurbs into a triangulated mesh doesn't sound right to me | 07:24 |
| ParahSailin | i dont think it is possible to generate an exact new nurbs surface like that in the general case | 07:25 |
| ParahSailin | because you would totally be messing up the rectangular grid of control vertices | 07:25 |
| ParahSailin | i mean, just imagine intersection of a plane that bisects the surface diagonally relative to its vertex grid | 07:27 |
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| ParahSailin | you cant just say, oh my 2d array of control vertices is now sparse, but everything else is the same as the old one, just we deleted a whole bunch of vertices in the corner | 07:29 |
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| kanzure | oh :/ | 07:42 |
| ParahSailin | i think its called a t-spline if you do that | 07:42 |
| kanzure | so once you do a boolean operation in brlcad, | 07:44 |
| kanzure | your nurbs are no longer nurbs? | 07:44 |
| ParahSailin | im sure its still nurbs, but its not a surface that is locally identical to either of the parents | 07:45 |
| ParahSailin | its a best-fit nurbs i think | 07:45 |
| kanzure | so i thought they use the intersection curve to trim the previous two nurbs | 07:48 |
| kanzure | by "they" i mean "in general" | 07:52 |
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| ParahSailin | new vertex rows would have to be created along the intersection curve, and im not sure if its possible to always make those new rows fit into your old grid | 07:54 |
| ParahSailin | hm, wait, maybe when these guys say nurbs they really mean a nurbs surface trimmed by curve | 07:56 |
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| kanzure | esolid has so far been the simplest implementation (other than brlcad's?) with source code available | 08:02 |
| kanzure | and also has papers associated with it, which is more than i can say about brlcad, opencascade, etc | 08:05 |
| kanzure | *more than i can say about the boolean algorithms in brlcad, opencascade, etc | 08:05 |
| kanzure | oh yeah, esolid had brlcad integration at one point. i don't remember getting it to work though. | 08:13 |
| ParahSailin | i cant find esolid? | 08:17 |
| ParahSailin | nm on your github | 08:18 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/cad/ESOLID%20-%20a%20system%20for%20exact%20boundary%20evaluation%20-%202004.pdf | 08:18 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/esolid/ | 08:18 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/esolid | 08:18 |
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| kanzure | "Solids in ESOLID are represented as B-reps broken up into trimmed parametric patches. Each patch is described by a surface with both a parametric and implicit form. The trimming curves are described in the same way as intersection curves between two patches, since this is how trimming curves in the output of a Boolean operation are formed." | 08:24 |
| kanzure | "The intersections of such surfaces are stored as algebraic plane curves in the parametric patch domain. Note that these intersection curves are typically not parameterizable. For example, representing the intersection of the patches by a rational parametric curve with rational coefficients (such as a B-spline) could not be done without introducing some error. So, intersection curves (and trimming curves) are stored in implicit form with ... | 08:24 |
| kanzure | ... endpoints." | 08:24 |
| ParahSailin | you sure this esolid repo has nurbs intersection? | 08:27 |
| * archels is more interested in smooth joining of NURBS | 08:29 | |
| archels | PhD students. we need more of them | 08:30 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: http://research.cs.tamu.edu/keyser/geom/esolid/examples.htm | 08:31 |
| kanzure | iirc it's the ::intersection() member methods | 08:32 |
| ParahSailin | i could do those examples on paper; do they have one with the teapots? | 08:32 |
| kanzure | or "boolean" https://github.com/kanzure/esolid/blob/master/src/ksolid.cc#L961 | 08:33 |
| kanzure | i was considering a cython wrapper of esolid http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lolcad/tree/esolid/wrapper/wrapper.pyx | 08:33 |
| ParahSailin | hm ok i believe they have it | 08:36 |
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| kanzure | archels: i'm sure opencascade has that, btw | 08:37 |
| kanzure | archels: like in their sewing stuff, https://github.com/tpaviot/oce/blob/master/src/BRepBuilderAPI/BRepBuilderAPI_Sewing.cxx | 08:38 |
| ParahSailin | kanzure: so why did you stop considering the cython wrapper? | 08:40 |
| kanzure | i don't remember. | 08:41 |
| kanzure | i had just stopped working on esolid.py (because i realized i hadn't been writing unit tests, and that none of it probably worked), so i was probably feeling a little down about that | 08:41 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/cgit/lolcad/tree/esolid/esolid.py | 08:41 |
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| seba- | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/70/Cases_per_day..jpg/800px-Cases_per_day..jpg | 09:56 |
| seba- | ebola | 09:56 |
| eudoxia | i'm glad i live in a place where even the crises are boring | 09:56 |
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| kanzure | freecad crashed while extruding a circle -_- | 10:33 |
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| kanzure | *** Abort *** an exception was raised, but no catch was found. ... The exception is:SIGSEGV 'segmentation violation' detected. Address 0 | 10:34 |
| eudoxia | you should rewrite everything in rust | 10:38 |
| kanzure | just as soon as i finish reading their million lines of code | 10:41 |
| kanzure | then i'll move on to the second million | 10:41 |
| dingo | circles are hard | 10:52 |
| dingo | thats a NPE | 10:52 |
| dingo | somebody forgot to check a null value before access | 10:53 |
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| kanzure | this is a box with a cylindrical through-hole: part1 = Workplane("front").rect(1,1).circle(0.25).extrude(1) | 10:55 |
| kanzure | this is the same box but it does not have a cylindrical through-hole: part1 = Workplane("front").rect(1,1).circle(0.5).extrude(1) | 10:55 |
| kanzure | why? | 10:55 |
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| kanzure_ | extruding a circle should not be buggy like that, argh | 12:20 |
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| kanzure_ | .wik coelacanth | 13:15 |
| yoleaux | "The coelacanths (i/ˈsiːləkænθ/ SEE-lə-kanth) constitute a rare order of fish that includes two extant species in the genus Latimeria: the West Indian Ocean coelacanth (Latimeria chalumnae) and the Indonesian coelacanth (Latimeria menadoensis)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth | 13:15 |
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| kanzure_ | .title http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/fed_regs/quotas/2013/fr0909.htm | 13:21 |
| yoleaux | Established Aggregate Production Quotas for Schedule I and II Controlled Substances and Established Assessment of Annual Needs for the List I Chemicals Ephedrine, Pseudoephedrine, and Phenylpropanolamine for 2014 | 13:21 |
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| kanzure_ | "production quotas" sounds like bullshit to me | 13:23 |
| kanzure_ | only 25 grams of heroin per year are allowed to be manufactured? | 13:23 |
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| ParahSailin | thats probably about all they need to calibrate test kits or something | 13:46 |
| dbolser | .suggest thats probably about all they need to calibrate test kits or something | 14:01 |
| yoleaux | No suggestions for thats probably about all they need to calibrate test kits or something. | 14:01 |
| dbolser | .suggest calibrate test kits | 14:01 |
| yoleaux | Perhaps calibrate test kits: calibration test kits | 14:01 |
| dbolser | .botsnack | 14:01 |
| yoleaux | :D | 14:01 |
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| kanzure | http://www.ebay.com/itm/200W-808nm-CW-High-Power-Laser-Diode-Stack-for-Heat-Treatment-Very-Powerful-/270918321913?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f13fd86f9 | 14:25 |
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| kanzure | https://sites.google.com/site/dtrlpf/home/diodes/445-m140-didoes | 14:26 |
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| nmz787_i | i got a 405nm from them | 14:30 |
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| kanzure | hm http://www.photomacrography.net/forum/userpix/2077_NEWCONELUMIXG1SPIRATONESSTBELLOWSLEICAREXTENSIONTUBEMOUNTLEITZPHOTAR25MM252_1.jpg | 17:32 |
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| kanzure | "Many telescopes suffer needlessly from low contrast images caused by stray light reaching the focal plane. Applying a flat black paint to the inside of your telescope tube helps, but a textured matte black surface is a much better light trap. ProtoStar flocked paper is a very black, self adhesive, material The flocked paper has a surface texture that is best described as "peach fuzz," and the fibers don't shed like some velvets and felts do. ... | 17:39 |
| kanzure | ... When looked at from low angles, it absorbs virtually 100% of light that strikes it." http://web.archive.org/web/20050331003652/http://www.kendrickastro.com/astro/protostar.html | 17:39 |
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| kanzure | "interesting! I was able to duplicate the issue. I dont know why exactly this happens, but it is because the second one creates a non-manifold object-- the circle of radius 0.5 makes the very sides of the object zero thickness, and the solid engine has issues with that. I expected this to work: Workplane("front").rect(1,1).circle(0.49).extrude(1) but it doesnt. oddly, this works: Workplane("front").rect(1,1).circle(0.41).extrude(1) radius ... | 17:45 |
| kanzure | ... 0.41 is the largest value that works for me. I have no idea why at this point. I'll look into it though." | 17:46 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: problems like these. now i have to debug opencascade and figure out why it can't cut a circle through a square. | 17:47 |
| dingo | haqha | 17:59 |
| dingo | 24 hours later, congrats | 17:59 |
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| kanzure | dingo: and here i thought i was just bad at basic shapes | 18:01 |
| dingo | theres some joke about putting a square peg in a round hole | 18:04 |
| dingo | i just ain't so witty | 18:05 |
| kanzure | some blood test prices http://www.theranos.com/test-menu | 18:09 |
| kanzure | "Secrecy buys them two things: 1. Their competitors won't know what their loss leaders are. If assays A,B, and C have been optimized to profitability but D and E are still loss leaders, a competitor could use that knowledge by subsidizing demand for D and E (e.g. by undercutting them and forwarding the assay work, whereby the competitor spends $1 to force them to spend $10)." | 18:14 |
| kanzure | "2. Patent trolls (are they really trolls if they spent money to develop the technology and make a product based on it?) won't know what to sue them for." | 18:15 |
| kanzure | although, i don't know if the forwarding of assay work would actually work in the competitor's favor, since the originating company could just throttle assay work or sales to that particular company | 18:25 |
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| kanzure | screw it, i'm going back to solidworks | 21:05 |
| nmz787 | r u 4 realz? | 21:07 |
| kanzure | circles don't even work | 21:08 |
| nmz787 | that | 21:23 |
| nmz787 | 's not brlcad tho right? | 21:23 |
| kanzure | freecad/opencascade | 21:23 |
| kanzure | 10:55 < kanzure> this is a box with a cylindrical through-hole: part1 = Workplane("front").rect(1,1).circle(0.25).extrude(1) | 21:23 |
| kanzure | 10:55 < kanzure> this is the same box but it does not have a cylindrical through-hole: part1 = Workplane("front").rect(1,1).circle(0.5).extrude(1) | 21:23 |
| nmz787 | why invest time in that, if the gsoc and MIL is behind brl? | 21:23 |
| kanzure | they are writing bad python | 21:24 |
| kanzure | and the nurbs portions are C++ anyway, which doesn't get autowrapped into python-brlcad (which uses ctypes and ctypesgen) | 21:24 |
| kanzure | i guess i could write a c wrapper to dump into brlcad that wraps their c++ stuff | 21:25 |
| kanzure | brlcad edges/vertices/faces/surfaces aren't exposed in brlcad like they are in opencascade/acis/parasolid :\ | 21:27 |
| ParahSailin | what you need is a ctypes that does nm -C hax on c++ shared libs | 21:27 |
| kanzure | what i really need is a library that fucking works | 21:29 |
| kanzure | i guess i should try esolid + cython again | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | i thought you just need to include python.h to make a c to python wrapper | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | and do the PyObject stuff | 21:32 |
| nmz787 | unpacg args, pack retvals | 21:33 |
| kanzure | ctypes, yo | 21:33 |
| kanzure | and ctypesgen https://github.com/kanzure/ctypesgen | 21:33 |
| kanzure | that's how i did python-brlcad | 21:33 |
| nmz787 | or swig | 21:33 |
| kanzure | no way in hell i'm going to write 10000 lines of wrapper code | 21:33 |
| kanzure | swig sux | 21:33 |
| nmz787 | why doesn't the code get autowrapped? | 21:33 |
| nmz787 | isn't that a feature of wig? | 21:34 |
| nmz787 | swig | 21:34 |
| kanzure | ctypes doesn't do demangling of c++ stuff | 21:34 |
| nmz787 | whatcha mean, i think i've import ctypes or seen it importe | 21:35 |
| nmz787 | dunno what it is/ does | 21:35 |
| kanzure | i think the problem with brlcad/swig was something regarding brlcad's gratuitous use of fancy preprocessor macros | 21:35 |
| kanzure | ctypes is a lot like libffi | 21:36 |
| kanzure | .wik libffi | 21:36 |
| yoleaux | "libffi is a foreign function interface library." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libffi | 21:36 |
| kanzure | .wik ctypes (software) | 21:36 |
| yoleaux | "In computing, a binding from a programming language to a library or operating system service is an application programming interface (API) providing glue code to use that library or service in a particular programming language." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ctypes_(software) | 21:37 |
| kanzure | "ctypes is a foreign function library for Python. It provides C compatible data types, and allows calling functions in DLLs or shared libraries. It can be used to wrap these libraries in pure Python." | 21:37 |
| nmz787 | so ctypes is different than including Python.h in a wrapper file and compiling it into a module is something else? | 21:38 |
| nmz787 | sorry | 21:38 |
| kanzure | definitely different | 21:38 |
| nmz787 | i am tired of typing today | 21:38 |
| kanzure | also, ctypesgen uses pygccxml to scan source code and header files to generate a json structure that can be used to generate python that uses ctypes based on the source code of your target library | 21:38 |
| nmz787 | when i was doing some opencv i just compiled it into a module... i only had a few functions passing data and paths and params tho | 21:39 |
| kanzure | i am not very interested in typing PyObject* a billion times for every function or struct | 21:39 |
| nmz787 | hmm, that sounds convuluted/prone to lots of debugging | 21:39 |
| kanzure | works fine | 21:39 |
| kanzure | wraps brlcad without a problem, which is a few million lines of legacy code | 21:40 |
| gradstudentbot | I could never be a PI. | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | seems like a function could be written to do it for you... or just limit I/O and let the C++ do the hard work | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | so have fewer functions to wrap | 21:40 |
| kanzure | the point is to make the API available in your target language | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | if its done right, should only have to type that billion once! | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | oh | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | well | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | idk, i thought it was python for the world! | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | .wik ftw | 21:41 |
| yoleaux | "FTW may refer to:" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ftw | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | ok | 21:41 |
| nmz787 | yoleux more | 21:41 |
| kanzure | none of this wrapping stuff matters at all if the actual api sucks | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | does it? | 21:42 |
| kanzure | for example, you can't iterate over edges, vertices, surfaces in brlcad | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | mh | 21:42 |
| nmz787 | hm | 21:42 |
| kanzure | and the nurby parts aren't in c anyway, which makes wrapping more annoying | 21:43 |
| nmz787 | isn't there some graph or something? | 21:43 |
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| kanzure | somewhere, but with my luck it's probably hidden behind some stupid preprocessor macro that can't be wrapped | 21:43 |
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| nmz787 | why would macros be a deal breaker? | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | i guess figuring them out might be a challenge | 21:51 |
| kanzure | because they don't get wrapped | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | do the existing devs like you? | 21:51 |
| kanzure | and because their whole codebase is extremely reliant on it | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | or are there none around anymore? | 21:51 |
| kanzure | brlcad developers hang out in #brlcad | 21:52 |
| kanzure | standard business hours | 21:52 |
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| nmz787 | in this country? | 21:52 |
| kanzure | they find me okay, but they have different priorities | 21:52 |
| kanzure | yes in this country | 21:52 |
| kanzure | it's the military | 21:52 |
| gradstudentbot | The real reason I wanted to join this lab was because I love to clean glassware. | 21:53 |
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| kanzure | hello joepie91_ | 21:54 |
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