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| kanzure | beep | 06:30 |
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| eudoxia | kanzure: is that a daily ping you do to keep a "dead man switch" from activating? | 06:31 |
| chris_99 | lol | 06:32 |
| kanzure | there are many dead man switches | 06:35 |
| kanzure | some of which i have forgotten about | 06:35 |
| kanzure | and also that have forgotten functions | 06:39 |
| kanzure | like, one will very definitely make things very inconvenient for me, but these others must have been doing something else | 06:39 |
| kanzure | it should be called a forgetful man's switch | 06:51 |
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| kanzure | genspace spikerbox workshop http://www.eventbrite.com/e/diy-neurscience-workshop-build-a-spikerbox-tickets-12272755141 | 07:29 |
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| kanzure | sens foundation has coerced george church into speaking at rb2014 | 07:32 |
| kanzure | in santa clara | 07:32 |
| dbolser | coerced? | 07:40 |
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| kanzure | bribed? | 07:57 |
| kanzure | i dunno. they did something. | 07:57 |
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| gnusha_ | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=0dbeb30b DavidCary: Close enough to DIYBio? >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/diybio/faq/projects/ | 08:03 |
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| xhapta | yes | 08:09 |
| kanzure | hello xhapta | 08:11 |
| xhapta | hi kanzure | 08:11 |
| xhapta | i have not send emails yet. | 08:12 |
| kanzure | emails about what? | 08:12 |
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| xhapta | you gave some mails to get arguments for the idea of a school lab, don"t you? | 08:13 |
| xhapta | like Philippe S. <gonzoinadaze@googlemail.com> | 08:13 |
| kanzure | what about them? | 08:14 |
| xhapta | look in the logs from yesterday the discussions/talk starts around 08:37 | 08:17 |
| xhapta | founding a diybio group on my school collecting arguments for such a club | 08:18 |
| cluckj | https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/jul/14/doc-note-cia-cafeteria-complaints/ | 08:19 |
| cluckj | .title | 08:19 |
| yoleaux | Doc of Note: CIA Cafeteria Complaints | 08:19 |
| kanzure | xhapta: what about it? | 08:19 |
| xhapta | I thought you gave me the mail adresses and may ask me if already written mails, but i guessed wrog - so not that important | 08:20 |
| xhapta | yoleaux the title was hard to guess :-P | 08:21 |
| xhapta | .title | 08:26 |
| xhapta | .help | 08:26 |
| yoleaux | xhapta: I'm yoleaux. Type .commands to see what I can do, or see http://dpk.io/yoleaux for a quick guide. | 08:26 |
| yoleaux | Doc of Note: CIA Cafeteria Complaints | 08:26 |
| xhapta | .commands | 08:27 |
| yoleaux | Commands are divided into categories: services, general, api, demos, admin. Use .commands <category> to get a list of the commands in each. | 08:27 |
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| xhapta | .commands services | 08:32 |
| yoleaux | Commands in services: acronym, add-command, command-help, del-command, dety, distance, geo, leo, moon, ngrams, nokiageo, o, oed, r2r, roll, rot13, shipping, suggest, swhack, thesaurus, title, tw, twho, weather, yi. Use .help to get information about them. | 08:32 |
| delinquentme | http://www-pmr.ch.cam.ac.uk/wiki/Main_Page | 08:32 |
| delinquentme | OTHER than peter murray rust ... is anyone else working with parsing chemical formulas ? | 08:32 |
| delinquentme | ( from within research papers ) | 08:32 |
| xhapta | .botsnack | 08:34 |
| yoleaux | :D | 08:34 |
| xhapta | When you write protocols, which software do you use? | 08:38 |
| xhapta | Latex , Libreoffice , Word, Tex, HTML ... ? | 08:41 |
| cluckj | notepad | 08:43 |
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| chapta | you mean as .txt i guess? You can also write tex, Latex or html in notepad. How you notate formulas or chemicals ? | 08:50 |
| eudoxia | well you could use latex and people interpret it in their heads | 08:50 |
| cluckj | I don't write protocols :P | 08:50 |
| chapta | cluckj , do you doo research then? | 08:51 |
| cluckj | yes | 08:52 |
| chapta | eudoxia , thats is quiet easy if you know how | 08:52 |
| chapta | how do you share your results? | 08:52 |
| cluckj | I write them down and publish or present them | 08:53 |
| cluckj | I use scrivener for word processing | 08:53 |
| eudoxia | i liked scrivener when i used it but never tried it beyond the trial | 08:54 |
| chapta | comercial stuff ? | 08:54 |
| cluckj | sort of | 08:55 |
| cluckj | it's like 3 dudes from australia | 08:55 |
| chapta | ? i don"t get it | 08:55 |
| cluckj | the developers of the software | 08:56 |
| chapta | ok, i do not like the missing linux support | 08:57 |
| chapta | but it seems to adress some important problems | 08:58 |
| chapta | o their is an linux realese cool | 08:59 |
| cluckj | there's a beta release for linux I think | 09:00 |
| cluckj | yah | 09:00 |
| chapta | ok other softwares in use? | 09:01 |
| chapta | how many people are active at a time like this in avarage? | 09:01 |
| chapta | .ggc scrivener beta linux | 09:03 |
| chapta | .gc scrivener beta linux | 09:04 |
| yoleaux | 35,000 (site), 38,200 (end), 2,780 (api) | 09:04 |
| chapta | .gc word beta linux | 09:05 |
| yoleaux | 73,700,000 (site), 5,440,000 (api) | 09:05 |
| cluckj | eudoxia, it's excellent for the kind of writing I do | 09:06 |
| chapta | i agree on you, i think i need to leave latex soon :-( and search for something bayond pdf | 09:07 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, | 09:08 |
| delinquentme | you WAKE?! | 09:08 |
| chapta | delinquentme no i guess , but 20 min ago he was active | 09:10 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, the dude who works @ sage who lives in SF? | 09:11 |
| chapta | no idea contact details here heybryan.org | 09:11 |
| chapta | .title http://heybryan.org/ | 09:12 |
| yoleaux | Bryan Bishop / kanzure, Homepage of | 09:12 |
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| chapta | the name Bishop is not mentioned in the . FINAL REPORT ON THE EVALUATION OF THE SAGE PROJECT ’ S LIFESKILLS AND GRACE PROGRAMS | 09:15 |
| chapta | so i think no | 09:16 |
| chapta | but ask him | 09:17 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, also | 09:19 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: doug | 09:19 |
| delinquentme | yeah I'm looking for contact details which he had on a particular HN news post | 09:20 |
| delinquentme | have those? | 09:20 |
| kanzure | doug@dougmccune.com | 09:20 |
| delinquentme | <3 | 09:21 |
| delinquentme | this is the dude whos family owns sage right? | 09:21 |
| kanzure | "SAGE is a 100% family owned business. My grandmother is chairwoman, my dad and I are on the board. I'm a coder working in an unrelated startup for my day job, living in SF. We’re not dinosaurs trying to bleed the system dry until our business model collapses, but at the same time I wholeheartedly acknowledge the fundamentals of the journals business are antiquated and I believe they will radically change eventually" | 09:22 |
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| chapta | what is the sage stuff aout? | 09:27 |
| chapta | i get the wrong i think | 09:28 |
| kanzure | i dunno | 09:29 |
| kanzure | something about WAKE | 09:29 |
| chapta | the island? | 09:32 |
| chapta | .g WAKE | 09:36 |
| yoleaux | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_(ceremony) | 09:36 |
| cluckj | ugh http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2014/07/14/open-source-for-business/ | 09:36 |
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| kanzure | "most of the corporate sites and web services you use run on Apache or Nginx, but rarely do we ever get software or services that are made for individuals." | 09:42 |
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| kanzure | because every time i've used nginx has been a lie? | 09:42 |
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| cluckj | kanzure, that's one of my colleagues' writing that | 09:43 |
| kanzure | your friends suck | 09:44 |
| chapta_ | he agrues that nginx and co are the rare examples | 09:44 |
| cluckj | I'm trying to respond to it without being a jackass...it's really difficult | 09:44 |
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| kanzure | cluckj, i'm not sure what his problem is, he seems to be hateful that people don't share his priorities? | 09:45 |
| cluckj | I don't think he knows how closed-source the world was 20 years ago | 09:45 |
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| kanzure | like, why the hell does this matter: "Can’t developers do something half as cool as turning an abandoned building into a community?" | 09:45 |
| cluckj | I think his problem is that F/OSS isn't radical enough for him? | 09:46 |
| kanzure | hahah "It is the kind of elitism that can only come from people who deny their own elite status or their complicit role in an unjust status quo." | 09:47 |
| kanzure | i think the problem is that he's an idiot | 09:47 |
| kanzure | leet status.. yeah right. totes elite. | 09:47 |
| cluckj | ya | 09:47 |
| chapta_ | He shows some tendencies, ofcourse there were epicproject on the fosdem like the pyra, but they are not seen as cool, until you are a /"geek/" | 09:48 |
| kanzure | he should develop an alternative set of incentives if he hates the current set | 09:48 |
| cluckj | F/OSS was not a big thing 20 years ago, but now it's totally pervasive | 09:48 |
| cluckj | in part because of the politics of making things open source | 09:48 |
| kanzure | hah "F/OSS isn’t apolitical, it sided with the 1%" man he's all over the map | 09:49 |
| cluckj | :( yes | 09:49 |
| kanzure | unfortunately i am not sure which of these issues is the root issue that he feels most strongly about | 09:49 |
| kanzure | so if you could figure it out, then i can work on an antidote | 09:49 |
| chapta_ | its is the communication in my opinion | 09:50 |
| kanzure | "I know Zotero works perfectly fine for thousands of people, but for the millions more that can’t or have absolutely no desire to install and configure plugins for basic functions like PDF sorting and renaming, it doesn’t." | 09:50 |
| cluckj | I don't know either, I'm going to argue with him a bit | 09:50 |
| kanzure | well that's fine, because zotero doesn't actually have millions of users | 09:50 |
| chapta_ | the com between codersand persons prisioned in there windows world playing watchdog and feeling like a hacker ;-) | 09:51 |
| chapta_ | For many people, even technologically literate people like myself, choosing open source feels like the tech equivalent of eating organic: . . . . | 09:53 |
| chapta_ | Does a community of developers ,which are developing the software they need for them self and share them, need to care about compatibily with masses and good PR - What this guys is expecting? | 09:55 |
| chapta_ | *feeling ignored && get soethign to eat * | 09:57 |
| cluckj | my first response was "*does a sweet kickflip while posting this from his (open-source) android phone in (open source) chrome, over wifi provided by (open source) dd-wrt and finishes his nesquik in time to watch spongebob*" | 10:01 |
| cluckj | I may have overreacted | 10:01 |
| kanzure | kickflip ain't open source | 10:08 |
| bkero | chrome isn't open osurce | 10:08 |
| bkero | *source | 10:08 |
| chris_99 | chromium is though | 10:09 |
| chapta_ | android is not compleatly opensource either | 10:12 |
| chapta_ | even in cyanogenmod are binary blobs | 10:12 |
| cluckj | yeah | 10:13 |
| cluckj | my point is...so what? | 10:13 |
| GarethRigby | NSAndroid | 10:13 |
| kanzure | http://highscalability.com/blog/2014/7/14/bitly-lessons-learned-building-a-distributed-system-that-han.html | 10:14 |
| cluckj | all the bits that I'd ever want to mess with on my phone are open source | 10:14 |
| kanzure | hostpool looks suspicious- it's a central service for service discovery? what happens when hostpool goes down | 10:14 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/bitly/go-hostpool | 10:14 |
| cluckj | my kickflips are entirely open source dude | 10:14 |
| cluckj | under the GPL (gnarly public license) | 10:14 |
| cluckj | anyway, 20 years ago having a cellphone that was modifiable at the software level was a joke | 10:19 |
| cluckj | everything was proprietary | 10:19 |
| chapta_ | yes, but that does not weak my point at all | 10:20 |
| cluckj | having a mostly open-source phone is better than an entirely closed one | 10:20 |
| chapta_ | Android is only partly opensource | 10:20 |
| chapta_ | yes, but that does not weak my point at all | 10:20 |
| cluckj | what is your point? | 10:20 |
| chapta_ | Android is not that opensource we all would like it | 10:21 |
| chapta_ | is | 10:21 |
| chris_99 | You know that glowing plant project, because they're going to sell seeds, does that mean the plants wouldn't be sterile | 10:21 |
| cluckj | chris_99, they might not produce viable glowing plants on the second generation | 10:22 |
| chris_99 | how would they collect seeds though then? or can you somehow modify seeds? | 10:23 |
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| chapta_ | crush a seed and take the dna out of it, figure out or read what ake them glow and reproduce it | 10:25 |
| chris_99 | that's not what i was wondering, if they have seeds, are they from a GMO plant then, and if so, presumably future generations would preduce seeds too? | 10:27 |
| cluckj | yes, presumably | 10:28 |
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| eudoxia | paperbot: http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1142/S0217732306022237 | 11:11 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c7746e26fccde9708e185ae8b34ce608.txt | 11:11 |
| eudoxia | paperbot: http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/pdf/10.1142/S0217732306022237 | 11:13 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/28fc671a673fefbf45752f4f29120715.txt | 11:13 |
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| chris_99 | for anyone who his interested in the glowing plants just got an email about whether they're fertile | 12:32 |
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| chris_99 | 'The seeds are planned to be fertile with the glowing factor inheritable.' | 12:32 |
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| chris_99 | *who is | 12:33 |
| kanzure | haha planned | 12:36 |
| kanzure | ParahSailin: ^ | 12:36 |
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| chris_99 | Did you buy a working synthesizer kanzure, if so how much do the chemicals cost out of interest? | 12:40 |
| kanzure | chemicals are going to be like $1500-$2000 tops | 12:41 |
| kanzure | there's a broken tube that needs to be replaced | 12:41 |
| chris_99 | $2000 for all? | 12:42 |
| kanzure | for the chemicals, i think so | 12:42 |
| kanzure | but they expire pretty quick, so $2k/mo maybe :) | 12:42 |
| chris_99 | oh bugger | 12:42 |
| kanzure | that's not too bad | 12:43 |
| chris_99 | Do you know how much it'd then cost per base pair? like is it a lot cheaper than labs? | 12:44 |
| kanzure | i haven't calculated that at the moment | 12:44 |
| kanzure | the manual claims up to 175 bp but i really really doubt it | 12:44 |
| chris_99 | Where would you buy the chemicals from? Do most bioscience places stock them | 12:48 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: no it will not be cheaper to do synthesis in-house on that machine | 13:10 |
| chris_99 | aha | 13:10 |
| chris_99 | So the main cost is the chemicals really then? | 13:10 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: about 1-2 liters of waste per 100bp... I haven't called the city with a chemical list to see what disposal even costs | 13:10 |
| chris_99 | eek | 13:10 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: well it's that the machine is horribly wasteful | 13:11 |
| chris_99 | why the heck does it waste so much heh | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | it works | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | 30 years ago that didn't matter as the alternative was cloning, which didn't allow things like the codon table to be elucidated | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | well, or doing this by hand, which is likely even more wasteful/inefficient | 13:12 |
| chris_99 | Are more expensive machines less wasteful | 13:13 |
| chris_99 | then | 13:13 |
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| kanzure | From: "Ed Boyden, esb@media.mit.edu" <eboyden3@gmail.com> | 13:44 |
| kanzure | "LeafLabs is a small embedded electronics consulting firm based out of Cambridge, MA. In partnership with the Synthetic Neurobiology Group at MIT we have designed a system for ultra-high channel count electrophysiological recording" | 13:44 |
| kanzure | http://leaflabs.com/ | 13:46 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/leaflabs/maple | 13:46 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/leaflabs/libmaple | 13:46 |
| kanzure | archels: whatdoyouthink? | 13:46 |
| bkero | jrayhawk: http://imgur.com/H6TRcrE | 13:46 |
| archels | kanzure: was just going to ask you for more info | 13:47 |
| kanzure | ed boyden is fun, so there's that | 13:47 |
| kanzure | i wonder what they consider ultra-high to be | 13:49 |
| kanzure | i would guess at least 128 | 13:49 |
| archels | yeah me too | 13:49 |
| archels | I don't see any headstage boards on those repositories | 13:49 |
| archels | did Boyden post to a list or private? | 13:51 |
| kanzure | one of them also works for http://www.twinleaf.com/ "high-performance magnetic field sensors" | 13:51 |
| kanzure | he emailed it to msgs@media.mit.edu | 13:51 |
| kanzure | 128 is just high, that is not deserving of ultra | 13:52 |
| kanzure | ultra should mean at least a thousand, imho | 13:52 |
| kanzure | if they have a million electrode microarray for neurophysiology reasons that would be cool | 13:53 |
| kanzure | erm i mean electrophysiology obviously | 13:53 |
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| archels | too bad that the number of neurons you can record only scales linearly with the number of electrode sites | 13:58 |
| kanzure | wasn't there something that scaled better than that | 13:59 |
| kanzure | quantum dots? | 13:59 |
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| archels | I'm sure that optical scales supralinearly with the number of pixels in some regime | 14:02 |
| archels | I'm just not sure how soon that saturates | 14:02 |
| kanzure | bkero: so what you're saying is you're one step behind him | 14:05 |
| kanzure | bkero: guess he should watch his back | 14:05 |
| bkero | Haha | 14:06 |
| bkero | one step = 2 days | 14:06 |
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| jrayhawk | there's a google guy who also writes funny things there | 14:31 |
| jrayhawk | everyone else is boring :mad: | 14:32 |
| dingo | i'm boring | 14:33 |
| kanzure | he should have wrote "gotta poop" obviously | 14:33 |
| kanzure | at least he would have been honest | 14:33 |
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| FourFire | kanzure, I reckon we'll need microtechnology (tens of microns scale robots) just to position the electrodes on an noninvasive brain scan which will have sufficient resolution to do mind recording | 15:09 |
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| FourFire | but hey I'm sure you can do lots of fun stuff with 128 | 15:09 |
| FourFire | what's the max for daisychained openBCI again? | 15:10 |
| kanzure | microelectrode arrays exist, you know | 15:10 |
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| nmz787_i | chris_99: no, more expensive machines generally just produce more mass of the same oligos | 15:26 |
| FourFire | kanzure, how expensive do they tend to be? | 15:51 |
| FourFire | (oh yeah, also I recently joined a hackerspace, they have some interesting equipment, but I'm not the type to start projects and so on) | 15:52 |
| kanzure | i've never bought one | 15:55 |
| kanzure | it's "request quote" | 15:55 |
| chris_99 | nmz787, i think i saw a tear down on your take it apart site, of a DNA synth, is that the one you're gonna get working? | 16:06 |
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| kanzure | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/botfactory/squink-the-personal-electronic-circuit-factory | 18:45 |
| JayDugger | Yup. | 18:50 |
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