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| chapta | .gc biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by george church and the NRA, banned by the Federal Death Administration | 07:10 |
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| chapta | .gc biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | 07:10 |
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| ybit3 | """ | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | So I found out Masten Space Systems, a company I interned at a while ago and known for doing this: http://youtu.be/A5b9LnzjGgU | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | Is offering to fly code: http://masten.aero/2014/05/project-prometheus/ | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | They will have a Raspberry Pi attached to some sensors on their spacecraft. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | And you can send them a bit of Python or C code that runs on an embedded system such as RaspPi or Arduino. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | And that interacts with their sensors. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | And they will upload it to the on-board Raspberry Pi, let it run and go fly. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | The project is for the rapid, streamlined development of tools relating to; visual navigation, landing detection, mass estimation and position/attitude estimation. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | So anyone wanting to build their algorithms for guidance and navigation and control for their robots have a chance to do it on a spaceship. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | You can reach them at prometheus@masten.aero with input and questions about the program. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | If you are with an educational institution, you get to fly free. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | So if you know C or Python and have worked with embedded systems such as Raspberry Pi or Arduino, you are set. | 07:54 |
| ybit3 | """ | 07:54 |
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| cpopell | paperbot http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1312944 | 08:36 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1117%2F12.915056 | 08:36 |
| kanzure | the hell is a triadic https://github.com/Fooidge/PleaseJS | 08:48 |
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| nmz787_i | chris_99: yes the TakeItApart.com DNA synthesizer is the one we recently acquired | 10:52 |
| chris_99 | cool | 10:52 |
| chris_99 | is there something that explains in simple terms how that type of synthesizer works | 11:02 |
| kanzure | i think the simplest explanation is "argon pushes stuff through tubes, valves route the materials to the correct location" | 11:05 |
| chris_99 | hows the double-helix formed though, via chemical reactions? | 11:06 |
| kanzure | phosphoramidite chemistry, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligonucleotide_synthesis | 11:06 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligonucleotide_synthesis#Synthesis_by_the_phosphoramidite_method | 11:06 |
| chris_99 | aha merci | 11:07 |
| kanzure | i also wrote a generic intro here, http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/dna-synthesis.html | 11:07 |
| chris_99 | cool, i'll have a read through | 11:07 |
| kanzure | the manual also has a simplified overview of the chemistry, http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/DNA/abi391/ABI%20391-manual.pdf | 11:07 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: no double helix, oligo synth is single stranded | 11:21 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: ev'rything is chemical reactions, unless it's a nuclear reaction :P | 11:21 |
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| chris_99 | Was just watching a really interesting thing about bees, and they connected a flower to a speaker and some circuitry, and you could hear a change in frequency as the bee aproached, which remains after it leaves for like 100s | 12:39 |
| cluckj | that's really cool | 12:40 |
| cluckj | plant orgasm caught on tape? | 12:40 |
| chris_99 | heh, that's the paper for it http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6128/66.abstract supposedly then the bees can pick up the magnetic fields and avoid ones others have been too | 12:41 |
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| kanzure | .title | 13:07 |
| yoleaux | Detection and Learning of Floral Electric Fields by Bumblebees | 13:07 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/340/6128/66.abstract | 13:07 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1126%2Fscience.1230883 | 13:07 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzure: referring to counterparty? (you can't say that in #bitcoin :) ) | 14:27 |
| kanzure | nope, nothing counterparty-specific | 14:27 |
| justanotheruser | I see | 14:28 |
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| kanzure | nmz787_i: you don't have to build a custom dna synthesizer just to operate an online dna synthesis service. | 14:29 |
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| kanzure | http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/15/medxts-platform-brings-medical-imaging-in-line-with-todays-cloud-technology/ | 15:21 |
| kanzure | and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8038320 | 15:21 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: but, speaking of counterparty, multi-sig doesn't work, right? | 15:38 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: what? multi-sig works? | 15:39 |
| justanotheruser | I think counterparty moved to op_return from what I read if that's what you're asknig | 15:39 |
| kanzure | it does work? can you show me any evidence. | 15:39 |
| kanzure | not sure if they moved to OP_RETURN after the 80/40 blowup | 15:40 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: the fact that there hasn't been a hardfork in bitcoin? | 15:40 |
| justanotheruser | are you referring to it no longer being standard? | 15:40 |
| justanotheruser | (not implying it isn't standard, just that I don't know that it still is) | 15:41 |
| kanzure | you are very confusing | 15:41 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: heh | 15:41 |
| justanotheruser | "multi-sig doesn't work" | 15:41 |
| kanzure | true or false | 15:42 |
| justanotheruser | what exactly do you mean? A block containing a multi-sig transaction isn't invalid. | 15:42 |
| kanzure | counterparty transactions were using multi-sig-related data | 15:42 |
| justanotheruser | OP_CHECKMULTISIG wasn't hardforked out | 15:42 |
| kanzure | that's not what i'm claiming | 15:42 |
| kanzure | or asking about | 15:42 |
| justanotheruser | yes, that is why I was confused | 15:43 |
| justanotheruser | I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but this probably answers it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.msg7478502#msg7478502 | 15:43 |
| kanzure | "Counterparty does not at the moment support multisig transactions" according to the interwebs | 15:43 |
| justanotheruser | phantomphreak post on bitcointalk | 15:43 |
| kanzure | ok that is more recent than my link | 15:44 |
| kanzure | why do you have a random link to page 4053 in a longass thread? | 15:45 |
| justanotheruser | and its certainly a good thing. counterparty was hurting bitcoin scalability. | 15:45 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: it is linked from elsewhere | 15:45 |
| kanzure | has anybody demonstrated a multisig counterparty transaction on mainnet, testnet, or regtest? | 15:45 |
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| justanotheruser | I don't know | 15:47 |
| justanotheruser | I think the next step for counterparty is to have transaction per block | 15:48 |
| justanotheruser | *one transaction per block | 15:48 |
| kanzure | what's your scheme? | 15:49 |
| justanotheruser | This would make it much cheaper for counterparty users | 15:49 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: I've been thinking of ways to get everyone to commit to a merkle tree | 15:49 |
| justanotheruser | no one wants to pay obviously | 15:49 |
| kanzure | do you mean, a single user initiates multiple transactions compressed into one transaction, or that any counterparty transaction is aggregated into a single transaction for all users (going through a central party to do the aggregation)? | 15:49 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: centralization would make it very easy, but I want to avoid that | 15:50 |
| justanotheruser | just a single OP_RETURN <merkle_root> every block | 15:50 |
| kanzure | per user? | 15:50 |
| justanotheruser | for everything | 15:50 |
| kanzure | then you might as well just tweet a hash | 15:51 |
| kanzure | not very convinced of the utility of that | 15:51 |
| justanotheruser | why? | 15:51 |
| justanotheruser | tweeting is centralized | 15:51 |
| justanotheruser | this would make every blockchain app collectively have to pay the cost of storing a single hash (maybe a few thousand people pay 10 cents) | 15:52 |
| justanotheruser | the problem is deciding who has to pay | 15:52 |
| justanotheruser | I have a few ideas, but they all have weaknesses | 15:53 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: to make money on it you do | 16:53 |
| kanzure | that's also not true, because it fails to account for dna synthsizer manufacturers making money | 16:55 |
| kanzure | look, it's perfectly alright to want one option for no rational reason, but don't make up wrong reasons :p | 16:55 |
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| kanzure | https://archive.org/search.php?query=EHSM | 17:40 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: dna synthesizer manufacturers don't sell DNA | 18:16 |
| nmz787_i | or if they do, they don't sell their devices, only the output stream | 18:16 |
| nmz787_i | (i.e. idt) | 18:16 |
| kanzure | they do sell equipment though, which also makes money | 18:17 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yPcJD7RVuY | 20:11 |
| yoleaux | How To Properly Roll Cable | 20:11 |
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| justanotheruser | Hello | 20:27 |
| kanzure | hi | 20:29 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: have you read pos.pdf (proof of stake)? | 20:35 |
| justanotheruser | I noticed you were in peercoin | 20:35 |
| kanzure | i have read asic-faq.pdf | 20:36 |
| kanzure | and pos.pdf yes | 20:36 |
| kanzure | if you mean https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/pos.pdf | 20:36 |
| justanotheruser | yes | 20:36 |
| kanzure | i'm eager to find out when someone bothers to attack a proof of stake network | 20:37 |
| justanotheruser | I was considering letting people upload their peercoin wallets and paying them for it based on how much stake it used | 20:37 |
| justanotheruser | s/stake/coindays | 20:37 |
| justanotheruser | of course, this would have to be after they get rid of checkpointing | 20:38 |
| justanotheruser | What is the legality of it? | 20:39 |
| justanotheruser | most likely gray area | 20:39 |
| kanzure | i'm no lawyer | 20:39 |
| justanotheruser | I probably could prove that I trivially made a fork that was barely shorter than the mainchain | 20:40 |
| justanotheruser | and that would be sufficient to prove it was attacked | 20:40 |
| justanotheruser | *attackable | 20:40 |
| kanzure | paperbot: http://www.plantmethods.com/content/pdf/1746-4811-8-27.pdf | 20:45 |
| paperbot | XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) | 20:45 |
| kanzure | (some gene gun) | 20:45 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: any way you can think to get this up to me? http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=1168666 | 21:50 |
| nmz787 | from san diego | 21:50 |
| kanzure | how big? we could coerce yashgaroth | 21:51 |
| kanzure | yashgaroth: yo | 21:51 |
| yashgaroth | how big | 21:51 |
| kanzure | there are pics | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | hmm | 21:52 |
| yashgaroth | oh haha no | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | computer desk size | 21:52 |
| kanzure | "Inspection of items is NOT AVAILABLE. No one allowed onsite. " | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | 2X | 21:52 |
| kanzure | looks like they will be doing the shipping and packaging | 21:52 |
| nmz787 | it says buyer must pickup within 10 days | 21:53 |
| nmz787 | but then on the right side gives a UPS phone # | 21:53 |
| kanzure | maybe jojack | 21:53 |
| yashgaroth | he does have a more flexible schedule than me | 21:54 |
| kanzure | you're just not clearly realizing the benefits of being unemployed and underpaid | 21:54 |
| yashgaroth | I dream of being laid off sometimes | 21:56 |
| yashgaroth | mmm 2 months severance and free government money | 21:56 |
| kanzure | haha you expect severance htat's funny | 21:57 |
| kanzure | *that's | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | i can't really tell if it's any good | 21:57 |
| yashgaroth | hells yes...well maybe a month's worth | 21:57 |
| yashgaroth | anyway I think the UPS number is for after you buy it, but shipping's gotta be at least a grand | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | just found and started watching 'fat guy stuck in internet' on adultswim | 21:59 |
| kanzure | a grand? dna synthesizer was $60 shipping | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | i could cary the synth | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | not this | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | nevermind | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | i don't want it | 22:00 |
| kanzure | TOO LATE | 22:00 |
| yashgaroth | this is pallet, not to mention the rigors of shipping delicate...oh | 22:00 |
| kanzure | what's the sugo polymer called? | 22:00 |
| kanzure | not http://www.instamorph.com/about but the other thing | 22:00 |
| nmz787 | 'does not come with the box' | 22:03 |
| kanzure | aha, sugru | 22:05 |
| kanzure | hrm http://www.libremechanics.com/ | 22:05 |
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| kanzure | mutu52891: hi | 22:14 |
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| kanzure | ouch | 22:15 |
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| nmz787 | it's just PDMS i think | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | err RTV | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | must have some other stuff in it to make it stiff | 22:20 |
| nmz787 | prob some longer polymers or something | 22:20 |
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| nmz787 | kanzure: took apart that spectrometer thing tonight | 22:30 |
| kanzure | go on | 22:31 |
| nmz787 | i didn't get to taking apart the actual optics | 22:36 |
| nmz787 | but it was pretty cool | 22:36 |
| nmz787 | got lots of good pics | 22:37 |
| nmz787 | made sure to get most of the ICs on the analog section | 22:37 |
| nmz787 | i will start uploading the pics now | 22:37 |
| nmz787 | anyone have experience with dichloroacetate? | 22:44 |
| nmz787 | I feel like I heard someone in here talking about it recently | 22:44 |
| nmz787 | or anyone know if there are bad human side effects? | 22:44 |
| nmz787 | or dosing is hard to get right (i.e. oops the pt. died) | 22:45 |
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