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| kanzure | "Hi bryan, Could you explain me the structure of the swig OpenNurbs project ? I can come on IRC. Or can you point me to a file in the project folder which contains this information ? Thanks." | 09:38 |
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| kanzure | yeah.. that's not something i actually know. | 09:38 |
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| archels_ | SWIG bindings are not a very interesting thing to talk about | 09:53 |
| kanzure | nope | 09:53 |
| kanzure | morrison asked him to try to pass some objects around from python-brlcad (ctypes) to opennurbs (swig) to see if the data types can be forced to cooperate | 09:54 |
| kanzure | it is very inconvenient that opennurbs is in c++ | 09:57 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28369829 | 11:12 |
| yoleaux | Sulphur surplus: Up to our necks in a diabolical element | 11:12 |
| kanzure | http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/iOS_Backdoors_Attack_Points_Surveillance_Mechanisms.pdf | 11:13 |
| kanzure | https://pdf.yt/d/1dKWAxs03AvnYqkt | 11:14 |
| kanzure | .title | 11:15 |
| yoleaux | View 2014_-__-_Identifyingbackdoorsattackpointsandsurveillance.pdf | 11:15 |
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| kanzure | why is continue not allowed in a finally block? | 11:46 |
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| streety | redundant? | 11:55 |
| kanzure | is it? the finally block could be inside a while or for loop | 11:56 |
| streety | I suppose not | 12:33 |
| streety | in what situation are you wanting to use it? | 12:33 |
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| kanzure | i was using it inside a try/except/finally inside a foreach | 12:52 |
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| kanzure | "It was also found that bystanders more commonly administer CPR when in public than when at the patient's home, although health care professionals are responsible for more than half of out-of-hospital resuscitation attempts.[64] People with no connection to the victim are more likely to perform CPR than are a member of their family.[69]" | 15:15 |
| kanzure | well that's stupid | 15:15 |
| dingo | CPR can be pretty messy, esp. with old people | 15:16 |
| dingo | you can expect to break some ribts | 15:16 |
| dingo | ribs, not something family members are prepared to do | 15:16 |
| dingo | i guess its emotions, they're too busy freaking out | 15:17 |
| kanzure | "no point in trying if nobody is watching me" | 15:17 |
| kanzure | well, the first one is that healthcare peeps make up 50% of non-public attempts | 15:17 |
| kanzure | "it only works if people are watching" | 15:17 |
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| kanzure | i wonder if cargo ships are inspected for radio throwies on their hulls | 15:30 |
| streety | Lacking a lot of info there - does out-of-hospital include the back of an ambulance? Are strangers more likely to perform CPR when a family member is present? Is it just that people are alone when they need CPR and a stranger is the first on the scene? | 15:31 |
| dingo | and how many of those strangers are trying to impress their girlfriend hehe | 15:39 |
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| kanzure | (also, i wonder if there are maritime laws about not secretly tracking ships by attaching radios to them) | 15:42 |
| cuba | its called AIS kanzure | 15:49 |
| kanzure | .g AIS | 15:49 |
| yoleaux | https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ | 15:49 |
| cuba | its the equivalent of ads-b which is the system for aircrafts | 15:50 |
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| Burn_ | there are some kind of arrangements that mandate publicly tracking ships by attaching radios to them | 18:29 |
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| Burn_ | kanzure: I was thinking about CPR the other day. Contrary to popular belief, statistics say CPR is rarely effective, and supposedly in order to have a chance of being effective requires enough force to break a person's ribs. I now have a rational disincentive from involving myself in saving the life of others - the significant probability that I might be blamed for their death. | 18:34 |
| Burn_ | "If an average adult keels over in the street, is found unresponsive and pulseless by a bystander, and is administered CPR while a 911 call is made, the odds that such a person will emerge from the eventualities of the resuscitation effort healthy and with a normally functioning brain are about 2 percent." | 18:34 |
| Burn_ | - http://www.lastwordonnothing.com/2013/04/03/is-cpr-for-the-victim-or-the-bystanders/ | 18:34 |
| kanzure | ribs are surprisingly easy to break. especially dead ribs. | 18:37 |
| cluckj | lol | 18:37 |
| streety | Burn_: How often are people blamed for a death because they *did* perform CPR? | 18:41 |
| Burn_ | More than 2% of the time. | 18:41 |
| streety | any chance you have a reference for that? | 18:41 |
| Burn_ | No chance. | 18:42 |
| streety | I'm going to argue it's worth the chance then | 18:43 |
| Burn_ | What are the odds that I merely "missed the pulse", and they're okay, before I start shoving my fists into their chest cavity though? | 18:43 |
| streety | why are you even wasting time checking for a pulse? | 18:44 |
| Burn_ | Because if they have a pulse it's not appropriate to try and pump their heart into a new rhythm | 18:44 |
| Burn_ | chest compressions can cause actual harm. Ribs are there for a reason. | 18:45 |
| kanzure | really the only rib thing i think you should be concerned about is a rib puncturing something like a lung or the heart | 18:45 |
| Burn_ | From what I gather, you've never seen someone on television/movies exert enough pressure to perform effective CPR, and their success rates are 75%. | 18:46 |
| Burn_ | *I've | 18:46 |
| streety | skip the pulse check, go straight to the CPR, and to hell with the broken ribs | 18:47 |
| Burn_ | Funny thing, btw - | 18:47 |
| Burn_ | a chest compression can stop a heart | 18:47 |
| streety | http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/CPRAndECC/HandsOnlyCPR/Hands-Only-CPR_UCM_440559_SubHomePage.jsp <- Relevant link | 18:48 |
| streety | that's a stupidly long link for such a big campaign | 18:48 |
| Burn_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commotio_cordis | 18:48 |
| kanzure | .title http://item.liveleak.com/2/view?i=8fd_1405179330 | 19:00 |
| yoleaux | Rewinding a Large Motor | 19:00 |
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| kanzure | sanity check my hand-crafted bitcoin transaction: http://hastebin.com/urudabowis | 19:58 |
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| Lemminkainen | paperbot http://informahealthcare.com/doi/pdf/10.3111/13696998.2013.818545 | 22:20 |
| paperbot | XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) | 22:21 |
| kanzure | http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000002036/ch02.html | 22:29 |
| kanzure | http://www.serendibscoop.com/sets/diybio-open-spaces/ | 22:29 |
| kanzure | "What the Central Dogma allows is the sale of functional proteins that scientists can never make more of. By physical law, they’re required to come back for more, guaranteeing a steady stream of profits whenever someone wants to test a new idea. For good measure, a material transfer agreement is slapped onto these purchases, making sure that the scientist can never enter into commercial competition, even if she should ever get a hold of the ... | 22:31 |
| kanzure | ... DNA. Meanwhile the government keeps printing money and funnels it to the scientists by various routes to ensure they can afford the ongoing extortion. It’s an MBA’s paradise." | 22:31 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure that's the "core" reason. it is certainly a contributing factor, though. | 22:31 |
| kanzure | oh this is schloendorn. i am surprised that i didn't recognize his writing. | 22:34 |
| kanzure | here are some of cathal's synbiowhateverlater companies http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000002036/ch10.html#_ryan_pandya_of_muufri | 22:35 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: does ctypes only work with C not C++? | 22:59 |
| kanzure | c++ has name mangling | 23:00 |
| kanzure | and it is compiler-specific | 23:00 |
| kanzure | so you wouldn't necessarily know which functions to call once you load the library in with ctypes | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | there's no function lookup or something> | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | ? | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | or it's too dynamic to be easy | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | ? | 23:02 |
| kanzure | you shouldn't have to add support for every conceivable compiler that people are using | 23:03 |
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| nmz787 | how does it have to do with the compiler? | 23:12 |
| kanzure | the compiler builds the shared library | 23:13 |
| kanzure | it puts the symbols into the shared library | 23:13 |
| kanzure | and it applies name mangling to the symbol names | 23:13 |
| nmz787 | right | 23:14 |
| nmz787 | but doesn't the binary have to conform to the system/architecture? | 23:14 |
| kanzure | do you have a specific idea here | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | looking now | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | swig just seems tedious | 23:15 |
| nmz787 | wonder why that is | 23:15 |
| kanzure | it is very tedious and it sucks | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | ah | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | i've used Boost before I think to compile a module for Python, I think | 23:16 |
| kanzure | iirc even the swig authors hate swig | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | I can't remember if I was interfacing C or C++ though | 23:17 |
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| kanzure | yep you can wrap c++ stuff with boost for python consumption | 23:18 |
| kanzure | it is also tedious | 23:19 |
| kanzure | i remember there being a bunch of problems with swig wrapping brlcad because of their extensive use of preprocessor macros to do >10% of their work | 23:24 |
| kanzure | otherwise, swig wrapping the whole thing would probably be a good choice, even as much as swig is problematic, rather than using ctypesgen to generate ctypes bindings | 23:25 |
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