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| superkuh | I am only downloading this tripe in order to argue against the concept. | 08:03 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223%2813%2900981-5/fulltext | 08:03 |
| paperbot | XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) | 08:03 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223(13)00981-5/pdf | 08:04 |
| paperbot | XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) | 08:04 |
| kanzure | important science http://i.imgur.com/vthjHeH.jpg | 08:04 |
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| heath | kanzure: have you expereienced vagrant being noticeably slower than working outside of a vm? | 09:38 |
| heath | seems to take forever to do tasks such as launching a ruby server | 09:39 |
| kanzure | what hypervisor are you using | 09:39 |
| kanzure | use vagrant's lxc provider and it will be less painful. but you could also just skip the vagrant part. | 09:39 |
| heath | http://tonyhb.com/unsuck-your-vagrant-developing-in-one-vm-with-vagrant-and-docker | 09:40 |
| heath | that would save sometime, not having to write the ansible create and deploy scripts | 09:41 |
| heath | s/sometime/some time | 09:41 |
| heath | i'll look into the lxc provider as well | 09:45 |
| kanzure | by lxc provider i really just mean docker in your case | 09:52 |
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| kanzure | often the reason i have to use vagrant at all is because of all the pesky osx users | 09:52 |
| dingo | 12:40 < heath> seems to take forever to do tasks such as launching a ruby server | 09:53 |
| dingo | i would imagine your VM doesn't have the appropriate virtualbox/vmware guest tools, so it doesn't have the more improved disk i/o paths they provide | 09:53 |
| dingo | ruby is very heavy on filesystem calls on startup | 09:53 |
| kanzure | truth | 09:55 |
| kanzure | i am experiencing some strange problems running bitcoind in a container at the moment | 09:58 |
| kanzure | ssh into the container and run my command, bitcoind launches and goes well | 09:58 |
| kanzure | but if i am not actually connected to a terminal, bitcoind fails to start | 09:58 |
| kanzure | when i login, it's not asking for my input at any point | 09:58 |
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| kanzure | dingo: how do most programs do tty detection and how do i fool them | 10:11 |
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| dingo | :) its a system call, man 3 isatty | 10:55 |
| dingo | the way to fool them is by using a pty, like pexpect does, pty.fork, | 10:56 |
| dingo | i have an example somewhere, let me gather... its not trivial | 10:56 |
| kanzure | are they wrong to do this sort of detection | 10:56 |
| dingo | no; it indicates that it may do tcgetattr(3) and other terminal ioctls | 10:56 |
| dingo | which would otherwise fail | 10:57 |
| dingo | like getting the size of the screen... or setting/getting various modes like you would see with 'stty -a' | 10:57 |
| kanzure | blah okay. | 10:57 |
| kanzure | that makes sense | 10:57 |
| dingo | ls does this for example, this is why it only prints colors to the screen, but if you redirect stdout to a file, its not colored | 10:57 |
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| justanotheruser | 7388BTC of ethereum IPO bought | 11:03 |
| justanotheruser | $4.4million | 11:04 |
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| dingo | https://github.com/jquast/blessed/blob/master/blessed/tests/test_keyboard.py#L385 | 11:05 |
| dingo | thats a crummy pty.fork() example, any program the child launches would beleive it is being used by a terminal, even if the parent is not | 11:06 |
| dingo | there is a @as_subprocess decorator in accessories.py also | 11:06 |
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| kanzure | dingo: thanks | 11:23 |
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| justanotheruser | Anyone here want to discuss nootropics? | 12:03 |
| justanotheruser | Specifically piracetam? | 12:03 |
| kanzure | what about it | 12:03 |
| justanotheruser | I have a lot of it | 12:03 |
| kanzure | hah | 12:03 |
| justanotheruser | .7g pills | 12:03 |
| justanotheruser | I took it for a while about 6-8 months ago | 12:03 |
| justanotheruser | but I didn't notice any effects | 12:04 |
| justanotheruser | I took up to 3g a day | 12:04 |
| justanotheruser | should I megadose and take like 8g/day to see if it does anything? | 12:04 |
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| dingo | http://www.photokami.com/Hurtfeelings.pdf | 13:33 |
| kanzure | i bet i could file 100 of these | 13:33 |
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| heath | didn't see this | 14:44 |
| heath | 09:39 < kanzure> what hypervisor are you using | 14:44 |
| heath | virtualbox | 14:44 |
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| kanzure | that can be why slow | 14:47 |
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| nmz787_i | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo_plot | 14:57 |
| nmz787_i | .wik | 14:57 |
| yoleaux | Search for an article on Wikipedia | 14:57 |
| nmz787_i | .wik shmoo plot | 14:57 |
| yoleaux | "In electrical engineering, a shmoo plot is a graphical display of the response of a component or system varying over a range of conditions and inputs. Often used to represent the results of the testing of complex electronic systems such as computers or integrated circuits such as DRAMs, ASICs or microprocessors." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo_plot | 14:57 |
| nmz787_i | .wik shmoo | 14:58 |
| yoleaux | "A shmoo (plural: shmoon, also shmoos) is a fictional cartoon creature. Created by Al Capp (1909–1979), it first appeared in his classic comic strip Li'l Abner on August 31, 1948." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmoo | 14:58 |
| nmz787_i | "The shmoo has been suggested as a hypothetical example of the potential falsifiability of natural selection as a key driving mechanism of biological evolution" | 15:02 |
| nmz787_i | I'm not sure how to interpret that | 15:02 |
| nmz787_i | paperbot: http://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/itc/1996/2121/00/21210932.pdf | 15:03 |
| paperbot | XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) | 15:03 |
| nmz787_i | "Who was the Shmoo? “It was a cute little white, squash-shaped cartoon character created by Al Capp in his comic strip “Li’l Abner,” in 1948, see figure 1. Shmoos bred like rabbits and could produce any object at the drop of a hat. Since they loved to please humans, they would willingly pump out milk, eggs, filet mignon, caviar, or anything else if requested. At first glance Shmoos seemed to herald the arrival of Utopia. Unfortunately, a p | 15:08 |
| dingo | haha that reminds me of a rick and morty episode | 15:09 |
| dingo | http://video.adultswim.com/rick-and-morty/meeseeks-and-destroy.html 2 minutes in | 15:15 |
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| nmz787_i | huh, yeah the resemblance is there for sure | 15:35 |
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| heath | solution: nfs | 15:52 |
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| superkuh | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v6/n6/pdf/nphys1652.pdf | 16:40 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9e3a69d79121fb49039859bc1f8853d5.txt | 16:41 |
| ParahSailin_ | oh. thats why they call yeast budding shmooing | 16:48 |
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| bbrittain | paperbot: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/ast.2009.0362 | 18:00 |
| paperbot | XMLSyntaxError: None (file "/home/bryan/code/paperbot/phenny/modules/scihub.py", line 70, in _go) | 18:00 |
| bbrittain | :( | 18:00 |
| kanzure | feel free to bugfix | 18:01 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot | 18:01 |
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| nmz787_i | superkuh: did you get that paper, title sounds awesom | 19:02 |
| superkuh | Yes. | 19:02 |
| superkuh | I only am reading it to use as arguments against things though. I have no intrinsic interested in the concept. | 19:02 |
| superkuh | People trying to claim it as an example of biological coherence to support microtubule quantum consciousness. :\ | 19:03 |
| nmz787_i | "The identification of entanglement which was referred to by Schrödinger as the characteristic trait of quantum mechanics, the one that enforces its entire departure from classical lines of thought between spatially distinct components of a biological system under natural functioning conditions further expands the field of physical systems for which non-trivial and uniquely quantum signatures become manifest." | 19:03 |
| nmz787_i | superkuh: well seems like you'd need data similar to that paper's to be collected to figure out coherenence | 19:04 |
| superkuh | http://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/2bm19s/an_excerpt_from_upcoming_novel_echopraxia_by/cj7pppw | 19:04 |
| nmz787_i | well I can say one thing... if photosynthesis depends on coherence, and photosynthesis makes sugars, then I'd say there's a signal cascade/pathway | 19:07 |
| nmz787_i | AFAIK microtubules are small-molecule signalled too | 19:07 |
| superkuh | It doesn't depend on it. | 19:08 |
| superkuh | It just can happen. | 19:08 |
| nmz787_i | which/what? | 19:08 |
| superkuh | Photosynthesis does not depend on long timescale coherence between the chromatophores in the proteins. | 19:08 |
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| nmz787_i | so what | 19:09 |
| nmz787_i | i mean | 19:09 |
| nmz787_i | who cares if it's long or not | 19:09 |
| nmz787_i | it makes sugar as a result | 19:09 |
| nmz787_i | which is a long-timescale signal | 19:09 |
| kanzure | bitcoind is 72 MB o_o | 19:10 |
| nmz787_i | are you arguing this specifically? "A hive mind that spoke in tongues: that was how the Bicamerals did it, supposedly. Some kind of bioradio in their heads, a communal corpus callosum: electrons jiggling around in microtubules, some kind of quantum-entanglement thing. Completely organic to get around the ban on B2B interfaces. A spigot that poured many minds into one on command." | 19:10 |
| kanzure | that author is obviously not very imaginative | 19:11 |
| nmz787_i | well it seems to go along with a lot of historical memes | 19:11 |
| superkuh | Yeah. It was just a throwaway concept. I hold Watts to a higher standard that most scifi authors because he is awesome. | 19:12 |
| superkuh | In Blindsight everything was perfect and still packed full of physics concepts. | 19:12 |
| nmz787_i | cool | 19:12 |
| kanzure | you're doing god's work | 19:12 |
| nmz787_i | never heard of him | 19:12 |
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| superkuh | I am a bit disturbed by how many people are working on using low intensity magnetic fields to try to influence the brain. I have always held that this was pseudo-science given the lack of physical mechanism of action. But I guess the psych people don't care. http://www.tmslab.org/publications/528.pdf http://clinicaltrial.gov/ct2/show/NCT01654796 | 19:16 |
| superkuh | (this is tangential to the above because usually crackpots try to tie in low magnetic field stimulation with quantum conscious microtubules) | 19:16 |
| nmz787_i | I kinda thought about the anti-argument to that last quote, starting a few years ago, from a philosophical/darwin/natural-selection/survival-of-the-fittest perspective. Basically I surmised that if it was something so basic as other bio transceivers (small-molecule, sound/pressure waves, line-of-sight light photons) that evolution wouldn't have favored it becuse it would have lacked security if transmission wattage was high. I was assuming that | 19:17 |
| kanzure | cutoff around the time you go assuming | 19:17 |
| nmz787_i | like how would it survive if it was a long-range/non-directional broadcast | 19:18 |
| ParahSailin_ | kanzure: static linking stdc++.a? | 19:19 |
| nmz787_i | so we've either architected to ignore modulations of that sort... 'quantum hardy' | 19:19 |
| kanzure | i think they're linking libboost and everything else | 19:19 |
| nmz787_i | or it is indeed scifi | 19:19 |
| ParahSailin_ | ah, static linking libboost and stdc++ | 19:19 |
| kanzure | kitchen sink approach. got it. | 19:20 |
| nmz787_i | or something else | 19:20 |
| ParahSailin_ | why the fuck boost | 19:20 |
| kanzure | why berkeley db | 19:20 |
| ParahSailin_ | ok this is strong evidence that someone in the deeper recesses of government is behind bitcoind | 19:21 |
| kanzure | or it was an oldie | 19:22 |
| kanzure | because none of the kids use berkeley db. ever. | 19:22 |
| nmz787_i | psh, you guys are crazy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_DB#Programs_that_use_Berkeley_DB | 19:33 |
| kanzure | it was sqlite before sqlite | 19:39 |
| kanzure | a lot of that is pretty old shit | 19:40 |
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| catern | no it's not | 20:12 |
| catern | Bitcoin? | 20:12 |
| catern | oh | 20:18 |
| catern | that's why you're talking about it | 20:18 |
| ParahSailin_ | directed by m night shamalyan | 20:18 |
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| kanzure | welp my problem was https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/4175 | 20:28 |
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