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| archels | paperbot: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel7/5/6807530/06804688.pdf | 00:30 |
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| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/cd479d96ec4206f7aa701cda28c3c9fd.pdf | 00:31 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: hah that richard thieme mentions your site in his talk | 00:41 |
| nmz787_i | so i've watched 2 of his talks now, on relatively different topics, and there was a good amount of overlap, i guess he's got some catch phrases | 00:41 |
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| bbrittain | sheena: sorry, not groking. You've used ffmprobe and it's giving you back a PAR. why would you prefer for square? | 08:17 |
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| nmz787_i1 | huh, glowingPlant is based on an ornamental tobacco that is sometimes used in hookahs | 10:31 |
| nmz787_i1 | 'glowing shisha' | 10:32 |
| chris_99 | lol really?! | 10:33 |
| chris_99 | i didn't know that | 10:33 |
| nmz787_i1 | their faq says not for human use or something like that | 10:36 |
| nmz787_i1 | I think most tobacco products are not fresh though | 10:37 |
| nmz787_i1 | I wonder if any of the chews could be used fresh | 10:37 |
| nmz787_i1 | baseball players used to be used for icons that chewed tobacco | 10:38 |
| chris_99 | mm is tobacco roasted or anything | 10:38 |
| chris_99 | or just dried | 10:38 |
| nmz787_i1 | yeah idk | 10:38 |
| nmz787_i1 | or 'fermented' | 10:38 |
| chris_99 | heh | 10:38 |
| chris_99 | have you tried snus that's quite bizare | 10:38 |
| nmz787_i1 | i tried some chew/put-it-in-your-mouth tobacco once, I can't really remember much but thinking it stung and was really gross | 10:39 |
| chris_99 | yah snus is the one you put under your lip, it does sting a bit yeah | 10:39 |
| archels | nmz787_i1: I thought they were using Arabidopsis? | 10:41 |
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| chris_99 | hmm yeah you're right | 10:46 |
| archels | the original Science publication was a tobacco plant though; perhaps they changed it around at some point | 10:48 |
| chris_99 | ah | 10:49 |
| delinquentme | http://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2014/08/minuscule-chips-for-nmr-spectroscopy-promise-portability-parallelization | 10:51 |
| delinquentme | ^ could this be used to take an already purified substance and further purify it? say some known solution of water / salt / protein | 10:52 |
| delinquentme | add in nanofluidics and just pipe out portions of the sample where the molecules aren't fitting the vibrational characteristics ? | 10:53 |
| ParahSailin | you ever used nmr? | 10:53 |
| delinquentme | nope | 10:53 |
| ParahSailin | you leave your wallet outside the room so the magstripes in your credit cards dont kill you | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | I mean yea, tons of wiki | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, sure if you've got a massive magnet and its not shielded | 10:54 |
| ParahSailin | thats nmr | 10:54 |
| ParahSailin | fuck | 10:54 |
| delinquentme | you read the article right? | 10:54 |
| ParahSailin | what exactly about the m in nmr are you not understanding | 10:55 |
| delinquentme | ........................................................ | 10:55 |
| ParahSailin | fucking magnets | 10:55 |
| delinquentme | ok theres a big fucking box around the core of the dwave which is for isolation of whatever the fuq you need to isolate | 10:55 |
| delinquentme | you're not actually giving feedback on the idea . You're just like " guns R dangerus " | 10:55 |
| delinquentme | OK cool . yes. good. | 10:56 |
| delinquentme | we're not needing to shield from neutrinos or exotic particles. | 10:56 |
| delinquentme | Yes thats implementational hazards. They exist, They're also smaller magnets in this case. But the question is after piping this somewhat characterized protein solution ... can it be further purified using such a technique | 10:57 |
| delinquentme | ? | 10:57 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, Can you see why I get frustrated with the feedback. You're not actually conveying something of use. Ok fine I appreciate that you've got cool stories about particular HUGE behemoth machine implementations of these particular technologies | 11:00 |
| delinquentme | and now you're being a brat about the fact that I said this. Ok awesome. | 11:02 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, add me on FB so I know who Im dealing with. Im not sure if you're like 14 or just a disgruntled old man | 11:03 |
| dingo_ | haha | 11:04 |
| kanzure | delinquentme, he's not impressed by how excited you are about normal magnet stuff | 11:05 |
| delinquentme | not exactly 'normal magnet stuff' | 11:08 |
| delinquentme | and again no answer. | 11:08 |
| ParahSailin | are you paying me to be on irc? | 11:09 |
| delinquentme | eh i supposed hes just trolling for no reason | 11:09 |
| delinquentme | ParahSailin, your input is the equivalent of an appeal to nature | 11:10 |
| delinquentme | I ask if something is possible. you reply : " Dont you know how to manget ?! " | 11:10 |
| ParahSailin | ive lost interest | 11:10 |
| delinquentme | again, add me on FB so I know who / what im dealing with | 11:11 |
| ParahSailin | please dont highlight my name again for the next several hours | 11:11 |
| delinquentme | sure thing miss | 11:11 |
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| nmz787_i1 | chris_99: archels, I was talking about the company that has the non-ripped-off glowingPlant... i.e. the people who the DIY-folks didn't license from | 11:26 |
| chris_99 | ah | 11:26 |
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| nmz787_i1 | delinquentme: cool paper | 11:43 |
| nmz787_i1 | "“Not only did Dongwan design the chip, but he also came up with a way to use statistical distance minimization and entropy minimization to estimate the magnetic field drift and calibrate out its effect,” explains Ham. “This signal-processing method obviates the need for physical thermal regulation for the permanent magnet, which would have added hardware and increased the power consumption. That would have defeated our aim of achieving por | 11:43 |
| nmz787_i1 | delinquentme: basically that is just a detector... if the bandwidth/measurements-per-second was high enough you might be able to do some separation stuff like a FACS machine | 11:44 |
| nmz787_i1 | but the sensor itself won't pull things to one side or another | 11:45 |
| nmz787_i1 | delinquentme: but this: "“An individual NMR spectroscopy experiment is inherently slow, taking several minutes to hours,” says Ham. “Using a hundred of these cheap and small spectrometer chips in parallel within a superconducting magnet bore could counter the intrinsic slowness of NMR spectroscopy, enabling a high-throughput paradigm for pharmaceutical screening and structural biology. One year of testing could be completed in a few days. W | 11:45 |
| archels | intrinsic slowness due to low SNR, eh? | 11:49 |
| nmz787_i1 | archels: it could be a timing thing, maybe? | 11:50 |
| nmz787_i1 | like the event happens, but since they can only capture a slice of it at a time, they need to replay the event and alter the phase of the detection each time | 11:51 |
| archels | what do you mean by slice? | 11:54 |
| archels | data acquisition speed should not be a limiting factor in such a system | 11:54 |
| archels | especially with such a low B0 | 11:54 |
| nmz787_i1 | B0? | 11:56 |
| nmz787_i1 | archels: like how they often chain ADCs together with a phase offset to get higher bandwidth oscilloscopes | 11:56 |
| archels | static field B_0 | 11:57 |
| archels | mhm, frankly I have more of a background in MRI (slight) than NMR (practically nil) | 11:59 |
| nmz787_i1 | how does the field strength come into play with bandwidth of the sensors? | 11:59 |
| archels | but at least in the former case, the frontends are essentially zero-IF (direct conversion) quadrature receivers, no? | 11:59 |
| nmz787_i1 | I assume the time for the event to occur depends on the diffusion velocity of the medium. | 11:59 |
| nmz787_i1 | yea I'm speculating a lot here too | 12:00 |
| archels | checking wikipedia. so in NMR one tends to measure the free induction decay | 12:00 |
| nmz787_i1 | but i guess since it's electrons, they might not be limited by diffusion | 12:00 |
| nmz787_i1 | is that then de brolies wavelength? | 12:00 |
| nmz787_i1 | de broglies | 12:00 |
| archels | no, I believe its mean is given by the Larmor frequency | 12:01 |
| archels | the frontend then mixes the picked-up (FID) signal with the Larmor frequency associated with the static magnetic field | 12:02 |
| archels | " A spectrum from a single FID has a low signal-to-noise ratio, but fortunately it improves readily with averaging of repeated acquisitions. Good 1H NMR spectra can be acquired with 16 repeats, which takes only minutes. However, for heavier elements than hydrogen, the relaxation time is rather long, e.g. around 8 seconds for 13C." | 12:02 |
| archels | right, so lots of repeated excitations and measurements | 12:02 |
| nmz787_i1 | pretty cool that it's so long | 12:18 |
| nmz787_i1 | not femto or picoseconds | 12:18 |
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| kanzure | nmz787_i1: these days it's not so much a list than it is a giant graph | 14:24 |
| nmz787_i1 | yeah, whatever it is | 14:33 |
| nmz787_i1 | there was some software at defcon for that kind of graphing... 'SNOOPY' | 14:33 |
| nmz787_i1 | https://github.com/sensepost/Snoopy | 14:34 |
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| nmz787_i1 | http://recon.cx/2014/slides/ | 15:27 |
| chris_99 | cool | 15:30 |
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| kanzure | fenn: what about trucker rest stops | 17:16 |
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| abetusk | Does anyone have suggestions for easily accessible dielectric coatings for a digital microfluidics device? | 19:15 |
| kanzure | abetusk: use whatever jcline used.. http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/280 | 19:16 |
| juri__ | http://hackaday.com/2014/08/20/lost-pla-casting-with-a-little-help-from-your-microwave/ | 19:22 |
| * juri__ glows | 19:23 | |
| abetusk | kanzure, I can't find what what dielectric he used... | 19:29 |
| abetusk | His thesis is on PDMS and doesn't mention (as far as I can tell) electrowetting | 19:30 |
| abetusk | Also, what happened to that blog? It looks great, but it just drops off not long after that post | 19:31 |
| abetusk | Did he even use a dielectric? Was he just moving the drop straight on the copper? | 19:31 |
| kanzure | you could email him | 19:37 |
| kanzure | he tends to be responsive | 19:37 |
| kanzure | tell him i sent you (he is sometimes a spook) | 19:37 |
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| abetusk | ok, thanks | 19:43 |
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