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| kanzure | nmz787: look at orchestrate.py and see if it does what you want | 00:09 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=870b9f3a Nathan McCorkle: creating new downloader object for each pass through the download_url loop | 00:12 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=dc9f885a Nathan McCorkle: checking for string representation of int too | 00:53 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=288da6ab Nathan McCorkle: trying to fix generator yielding tuple | 01:53 |
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| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=ce1d123a Nathan McCorkle: added generator fix (really stupid and ugly and dumb) to code post-successful zotero pdf_url parsing. The sciencedirect section should be looked at for example of how to change the few lines around/near the .get calls | 02:02 |
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| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1567539406000429 | 02:10 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Biomoleculenanoparticle%20hybrid%20systems%20for%20bioelectronic%20applications%0A%20.pdf | 02:10 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S156849460600055X | 02:12 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Effective%20mutation%20rate%20for%20probabilistic%20evolutionary%20design%20of%20analogue%20electrical%20circuits%0A%20.pdf | 02:13 |
| nmz787 | sweet | 02:13 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: yup seems to be working | 02:13 |
| ebowden_ | Damn, it's not working for me. | 02:24 |
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| ParahSailin | nmz787_i: so i think you can take away the gaiix for free if you want | 08:31 |
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| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: say wut | 09:18 |
| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: for shipping costs or what? | 09:18 |
| ParahSailin | if someone wanted to grab the thing or pay for shipping, yeah | 09:19 |
| nmz787_i | paypal, bit/dogecoin, cashiers check? | 09:20 |
| nmz787_i | tell me how much | 09:20 |
| nmz787_i | or do i have to drive down to the bay?\ | 09:20 |
| ParahSailin | yeah youd probably need to drive down | 09:21 |
| nmz787_i | hmm, i might be able to do it labor day weekend | 09:22 |
| kanzure | would patrik pick it up? | 09:22 |
| nmz787_i | hmm, maybe | 09:22 |
| nmz787_i | i think he's closer to livermore usually | 09:22 |
| nmz787_i | he lives in alameda, or used to | 09:22 |
| nmz787_i | somone with more time would be easier to convinve maybe | 09:23 |
| kanzure | simon? | 09:23 |
| nmz787_i | he's even further from the north bay | 09:25 |
| nmz787_i | ummm | 09:25 |
| kanzure | delinquentme? | 09:25 |
| nmz787_i | maybe | 09:26 |
| nmz787_i | not sure if he has a vehicle | 09:27 |
| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: it's at Eureka? | 09:28 |
| ParahSailin | hercules | 09:29 |
| kanzure | too bad, i have someone at eureka | 09:29 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: ParahSailin there seems to be a UPS store right near I-80 in hercules | 09:30 |
| nmz787_i | I think they'd package and ship it by themselves... we could probably just arrange a cab to do the transport or something | 09:31 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: idk but the machine on ebay looked like it might be the same size as the synthesizer, wasn't the shipping like $50 for that? | 09:32 |
| nmz787_i | or was it more? | 09:32 |
| kanzure | $50-$60 | 09:32 |
| nmz787_i | so figure 20 or 30 bux for a cab ride, 50-60 to ship, prob 20-40 to package | 09:33 |
| kanzure | oops i was thinking of my person at genia | 09:34 |
| kanzure | eureka person is obvious | 09:34 |
| nmz787_i | wow 2tb drive on newegg $90 | 09:41 |
| nmz787_i | only 5900 rpm, but i guess those live longer than 7200rpm, right? | 09:41 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: do we have a list of journals/online-publisher-paper-portals | 09:53 |
| nmz787_i | i can't think of a good unit test other than by going to the main page of each of these, parsing for some 'latest articles' and grabbing the first one | 09:54 |
| nmz787_i | then using that link to look for a PDF | 09:54 |
| kanzure | unit testing should use stored html samples | 09:54 |
| nmz787_i | otherwise we'd have to manually choose a link for each and save that to a config file | 09:54 |
| kanzure | there is a list of publishers available here https://github.com/zotero/translators | 09:54 |
| nmz787_i | well not HTML? | 09:54 |
| nmz787_i | why not the URL | 09:54 |
| nmz787_i | the unittest would tell us if our HTML parsing failed | 09:55 |
| nmz787_i | they wouldn't if the HTML was saved | 09:55 |
| kanzure | unit testing should not make network requests. that is why the html should be stored. | 09:55 |
| kanzure | here's some paperbot requests http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/paperbot-requests.txt | 09:56 |
| nmz787_i | hmm | 09:56 |
| kanzure | python-requests has a few mocking libraries for unit testing | 09:56 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/patrys/httmock | 09:57 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/dropbox/responses | 09:57 |
| nmz787_i | i guess we would need a re-download HTML function | 09:57 |
| nmz787_i | how would we know if the pages change | 09:57 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/python-requestions | 09:57 |
| kanzure | unit tests don't check if the html has changed | 09:57 |
| kanzure | they check if your code no longer works against the previous samples | 09:57 |
| nmz787_i | but then they might not work IRL | 09:57 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/sigmavirus24/requests-vcr | 09:58 |
| kanzure | that doesn't matter | 09:58 |
| kanzure | that happens anyway | 09:58 |
| nmz787_i | i guess the updater would check if the stored HTML was diff | 09:58 |
| kanzure | unit testing is a way to prevent the other kinds of failure modes | 09:58 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/gabrielfalcao/HTTPretty | 10:00 |
| kanzure | why does this work: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/10.1086/653104.pdf?acceptTC=true | 10:15 |
| kanzure | and this works: http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/4606667.pdf?acceptTC=true | 10:15 |
| kanzure | but this one does not? http://www.jstor.org/stable/pdfplus/653104.pdf?acceptTC=true | 10:15 |
| kanzure | dingo_: any insight? | 10:15 |
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| ParahSailin | nmz787_i: its pretty large | 10:20 |
| dingo_ | the 10.2307/ prefix is jstor's own DOI (means the're the ones who digitized it by hand), and when the prefix is omitted, internally it assumes 10.2307/, so the first one is digitized by someone else and has a different doi prefix. | 10:26 |
| dingo_ | the latter two are assumed 10.2307/, i suppose, i don't see any difference in working/not working myself | 10:27 |
| dingo_ | oh well, the first vs. the third -- you're getting different articles, right? 10.2307/653104 vs. 10.1086/653104 | 10:27 |
| kanzure | one of the pdfs load and the other does not load | 10:28 |
| kanzure | but you're right, i think it's because of the default doi assumption | 10:29 |
| kanzure | good call | 10:29 |
| dingo_ | yeah before ~2012 the *only* doi on jstor was 10.2307, so they omitted it in all the of /id/ urls | 10:29 |
| kanzure | thank you | 10:29 |
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| dingo_ | interestingly http://www.jstor.org/action/showBooksAsXml times out and returns a server-generated error page after a great long while, where i would expect to find these alternative DOI's | 10:33 |
| dingo_ | for any error page page like this you can use 'view source' and sometimes even see the java traceback hidden in a <!-- comment --> this one is just terse: ERROR: Page Loading Error generated via Fastly Servers | 10:35 |
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| kanzure | dingo_: i rewrote paperbot | 10:36 |
| dingo_ | in go? hehe | 10:36 |
| kanzure | from https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/modules/papers.py | 10:36 |
| kanzure | to https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/paperbot/orchestrate.py | 10:36 |
| kanzure | no | 10:36 |
| dingo_ | you could remove the 'else:' and save an indentation under the iterdownload() block | 10:39 |
| dingo_ | and the next one after pdf_url == url, continue block | 10:39 |
| kanzure | oh good point | 10:39 |
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| dingo_ | as my russian friend says, "this is pretty ok" | 10:41 |
| kanzure | highest honor | 10:41 |
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| nmz787_i | anyone know a good way to add a list of addresses to a google-maps type map programmatically? | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | all I see online seems limited to 100 points or using some google docs to fusion tables to map scheme | 10:52 |
| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: I guess labor day weekend is this next weekend | 10:52 |
| kanzure | openstreetmap has less of those sorts of limitations | 10:52 |
| nmz787_i | i could probably manage to drive down, though I think my gf wanted to go camping or hiking that weekend | 10:53 |
| nmz787_i | ah, good call, will check that out kanzure | 10:53 |
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| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: does it come with all 3 of: Illumina Genome Analyzer, Illumina cBot, and Illumina Pair-End Module? | 10:57 |
| nmz787_i | crated weight and dimensions for those 3 are listed here, so I could get shipping quotes http://res.illumina.com/documents/products/datasheets/datasheet_genome_analyzeriix.pdf | 10:58 |
| ParahSailin | yeah it will have all the things you need to run ga2x | 10:58 |
| nmz787_i | ok i'll get a shipping quote for those 3 items then | 10:59 |
| nmz787_i | it is realistic that I drive down and back.... I will have to check my car truck dimensions too i guess | 10:59 |
| nmz787_i | i've got a VW jetta, but also a SUV that would use more than 2x the fuel | 11:00 |
| nmz787_i | car trunk* | 11:00 |
| ParahSailin | i know that the big box would fit in the back seat of an a4 or passat, but i am not familiar with the size of jetta back seat | 11:01 |
| nmz787_i | hmm, the datasheet says unboxed weight is 412lbs | 11:03 |
| nmz787_i | and crate weight is like 511lbs | 11:03 |
| nmz787_i | 102cm x 67cm x 92cm | 11:04 |
| nmz787_i | hrmm, i'm not sure that would fit in my truck | 11:04 |
| ParahSailin | wow ok that big box weighs a lot | 11:04 |
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| nmz787_i | it could fit on top | 11:05 |
| nmz787_i | heh | 11:05 |
| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: is the original crate still with it? | 11:06 |
| chris_99 | is it a dna sequencer? | 11:06 |
| nmz787_i | yes | 11:06 |
| nmz787_i | and 2 smaller 75lb boxes | 11:06 |
| ParahSailin | i doubt it but i can ask | 11:07 |
| nmz787_i | please do, as they said they can provide a crate at the shipping place | 11:08 |
| * nmz787_i going to check truck door dimensions now | 11:08 | |
| nmz787_i | hmm, ~99cm x 82cm | 11:11 |
| nmz787_i | i could drive down and rent a trailer | 11:11 |
| nmz787_i | so if i drive down, i wonder if I can find a nice refrigerated centrifuge or some other crap too while i'm there | 11:13 |
| nmz787_i | what else do i need... :/ | 11:13 |
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| kanzure | running a dna sequencer machine as a company is stupid | 11:33 |
| kanzure | it's a race to the bottom | 11:33 |
| kanzure | don't do it | 11:33 |
| |a| | iirc booz allen is doing it, and crossrefferencing the data with peoples data to fine tune a psychographic profileing program | 11:34 |
| |a| | but that was years ago, im sure its much more advanced now | 11:34 |
| kanzure | wrong channel | 11:35 |
| ybit | kanzure: git clone git@github.com:heath/ui-foundation.git | 11:45 |
| ybit | npm install && cult | 11:45 |
| ybit | maybe `npm install -g gulp cult bower` | 11:45 |
| ybit | ..then `cult` | 11:45 |
| ybit | then see my confusion | 11:45 |
| kanzure | bower ENORESTARGET Tag/branch ~3.2.0+3 does not exist | 11:48 |
| ybit | ParahSailin, any xp with angular? | 11:48 |
| ybit | greeat | 11:48 |
| ParahSailin | nonzero | 11:49 |
| ybit | kanzure: a way around that might be to remove bootswatch from the dependencies, rm -rf app/lib | 11:50 |
| ybit | bower install | 11:50 |
| kanzure | bootswatch needs a different version | 11:50 |
| ybit | bower install --save bootswatch | 11:50 |
| kanzure | why is bootswatch downloading multiple megabytes of stuff | 11:50 |
| ybit | it's grabbing every theme it can | 11:50 |
| kanzure | is that dumb | 11:50 |
| ybit | probably | 11:50 |
| kanzure | because it sounds dumb | 11:50 |
| kanzure | "cult" runs fine | 11:50 |
| ybit | cool | 11:51 |
| ybit | so you should see in the js console the error | 11:51 |
| ybit | ..when you visit localhost:9000 | 11:51 |
| kanzure | this looks like the same ui.bootstrap problem from yesterday | 11:51 |
| kanzure | i feel tricked | 11:51 |
| ybit | it is the same problem | 11:51 |
| ybit | i trick so good | 11:52 |
| ybit | it doesn't seem to be an ordering of the deps either | 11:52 |
| ybit | https://gist.github.com/heath/e77f727450518c915cf3 | 11:52 |
| ybit | tried that and it still complains | 11:52 |
| ybit | with the same error | 11:53 |
| bbrittain | holy shit Julia start up time is slow | 11:56 |
| kanzure | [13:57:42] Task 'dist' is not in your gulpfile | 11:56 |
| kanzure | ybit: your problem is in scripts/routes.coffee | 11:56 |
| kanzure | should be obvious | 11:57 |
| kanzure | count your params | 11:57 |
| ybit | kanzure: nope | 11:57 |
| ybit | you can do that | 11:58 |
| kanzure | works when you remove it there | 11:58 |
| kanzure | ui.bootstrap is not a proider iirc | 11:58 |
| ybit | oh, sorry i thought you were saying that it needed to be named | 11:58 |
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| kanzure | but then you get some invalid state refs | 11:59 |
| kanzure | dunno if that's expected here | 11:59 |
| poppingtonic | kanzure: does yoleaux do wolframalpha queries | 12:00 |
| kanzure | .wa estimated size of stephen wolfram's head | 12:00 |
| yoleaux | Stephen Wolfram: height: Head (Moon feature): size: Stephen Wolfram: height: 1.74 meters; Head (Moon feature): size: (data not available); | 12:00 |
| kanzure | so much disappoint | 12:00 |
| poppingtonic | cool. | 12:01 |
| ybit | kanzure: thanks for the help | 12:02 |
| kanzure | yep.. | 12:02 |
| kanzure | what is cult anyway | 12:02 |
| ybit | kanzure: it's a wrapper around gulp which accepts coffeescript and livescript | 12:04 |
| kanzure | *provider | 12:16 |
| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: so will anyone actually be around this Saturday? I think if i leave Friday early evening, I could be in the area with a trailer between 4 to 6PM Saturday | 12:18 |
| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: also, any 'junk' flow cells laying around to throw in? | 12:19 |
| nmz787_i | or i guess even any non junk ones | 12:19 |
| nmz787_i | and, uh, is it on wheels or what tool would I need to bring to move it from where it is to the trailer, since it's so heavy | 12:26 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/paperbot/commit/?id=ed838ce6 Bryan Bishop: reduce indents, h/t jquast | 12:28 |
| gnusha | paperbot: reload papers | 12:28 |
| paperbot | gnusha: <module 'papers' from '/srv/ikiwiki/paperbot/modules/papers.py'> (version: 2014-08-25 09:02:32) | 12:28 |
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| ParahSailin | might have a pallet jack on site | 12:53 |
| chris_99 | is that sort of the manual equiv of a fork lift | 12:54 |
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| bbrittain | http://www.angelsensor.com/ | 13:25 |
| bbrittain | thoughts? | 13:25 |
| chris_99 | i think i've heard of that, isn't it supposed to make use of some form of spectroscopy, i thought people said it was dubious though iirc | 13:26 |
| kanzure | personally i prefer the one that shocks you into oblivion http://pavlok.com/ (kidding) | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | ParahSailin: so it seems freight shipping is comparable to driving down and getting a trailer, so I just need to know if it already has a crate or not, and when to send them to pick it up | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | bbrittain: 'Heart rate, Blood Oxygen, Temperature, and Motion.' | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i | bbrittain: likely some electrodes, an ADC, and a pulse oximeter | 13:28 |
| chris_99 | lol kanzure wth | 13:29 |
| chris_99 | is that real?! | 13:29 |
| archels | bbrittain: seems feasible http://www.blogcal.com/samsung-introduced-a-reference-design-for-fitness-bracelet/ | 13:29 |
| bbrittain | nmz787_i: sounds right. but the convenient formfactor is everything | 13:29 |
| kanzure | "real" is just a matter of debate | 13:30 |
| chris_99 | it's hilarious though | 13:30 |
| kanzure | i reallyneed a lobotomy | 13:30 |
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| kanzure | what happened to that stone.. slate.. android.. something wrist thing. all these landing pages are just blurring together for me. | 13:31 |
| bbrittain | archels: problem with that is that it is linked to the "cloud" | 13:31 |
| bbrittain | aka take your data and profit | 13:31 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: first week yet? | 13:32 |
| archels | yeah I don't care much for that part | 13:32 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: nah, not yet. I start the 2nd | 13:32 |
| bbrittain | hence my problems with most QS stuff | 13:33 |
| bbrittain | I hacked this together yesterday instead of doing stuff I should have been | 13:33 |
| bbrittain | https://github.com/cavedweller/QS-GPS-Logger | 13:33 |
| kanzure | shameful | 13:33 |
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| bbrittain | 'cause everything else seems to upload your GPS to the cloud >_< | 13:34 |
| bbrittain | it is shameful, I wrote Java and javascript voluntarily | 13:34 |
| nmz787_i | bbrittain: can't you jail your apps with some kind of firewall app though:? | 13:34 |
| nmz787_i | or intercept certain apps | 13:34 |
| nmz787_i | grab your data, modify it inline so the cloud thinks you're super man | 13:35 |
| bbrittain | nmz787_i: yea, but not only is that a pain in the ass, doesn't mean the format is useable | 13:35 |
| bbrittain | with significant work at least | 13:35 |
| bbrittain | but yea, I hear what you are saying | 13:35 |
| bbrittain | turns out getting your GPS loc every 7 seconds doesn't hurt your battery life as much as you would expect | 13:36 |
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| dingo_ | theres a great sparkfun gps logger kit | 14:16 |
| dingo_ | it does http post to your own server you can set up out there | 14:16 |
| dingo_ | takes a GSM cellular sim, has a li-ion battery, just does its job when you flip it on | 14:16 |
| dingo_ | and of course its arduino-based and open source | 14:17 |
| dingo_ | awww, appears discontinued, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/8823 | 14:17 |
| dingo_ | also saved to SD card | 14:17 |
| dingo_ | here's the roll-your-own circuit: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10920 | 14:18 |
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| bbrittain | dingo_: noice | 14:24 |
| bbrittain | the battery life leaves something to be desired though | 14:24 |
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| nmz787_i | dingo_: I thought bbrittain was talking about quantified self thou, not tracking your gf's motorcycle | 14:29 |
| nmz787_i | if you want your GPS location there are apps for that | 14:30 |
| bbrittain | haha | 14:30 |
| nmz787_i | that log to sqlite or something | 14:30 |
| nmz787_i | i use a maps app when i hike that saves to sqlite | 14:30 |
| nmz787_i | you can change the # seconds between points | 14:30 |
| nmz787_i | etc | 14:30 |
| bbrittain | nmz787_i: oh really? link? | 14:30 |
| nmz787_i | got an app that does GPS averaging too | 14:30 |
| bbrittain | I must have missed it in my search | 14:30 |
| nmz787_i | oruxmaps | 14:31 |
| nmz787_i | there's a few others too | 14:31 |
| bbrittain | nothing that seemed particularly usable to me that was Open Source | 14:32 |
| bbrittain | is oruxmaps? | 14:32 |
| nmz787_i | idk | 14:32 |
| nmz787_i | http://alternativeto.net/software/oruxmaps/?license=opensource | 14:33 |
| bbrittain | ha, I see why I missed it | 14:33 |
| bbrittain | http://www.oruxmaps.com/ | 14:33 |
| bbrittain | I tried MyTracks but it was atrocious | 14:33 |
| bbrittain | for what I wanted at least | 14:34 |
| bbrittain | so I scratched my own itch in a way no one else will ever need too :P | 14:34 |
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| kanzure | "the closed edge starting the vertex" nobody even grammars | 14:47 |
| kanzure | dpk: i did some clean up. review please? https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/paperbot/orchestrate.py | 14:48 |
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| nmz787_i | MyTracks was pretty good I thought, except exporting the data was kinda weird or you couldn't use custom map tiles, so I couldn't load trail maps for hiking | 14:49 |
| dpk | what does ezproxy.py do? | 14:51 |
| dpk | oh | 14:52 |
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| dpk | duh, it says at the top | 14:52 |
| kanzure | oh noes a typo "This directory stories json files" | 14:53 |
| kanzure | this implementation of paperbot does not include zotero | 14:54 |
| bbrittain | is paperbot getting a major update or something? | 14:54 |
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| kanzure | something like that | 14:55 |
| * bbrittain still has access to his schools vpn | 14:55 | |
| kanzure | can you check if your school runs an ezproxy instance? is it in this list https://github.com/kanzure/ezproxy-urls/blob/master/urls.txt | 14:55 |
| bbrittain | it does indeed | 14:56 |
| kanzure | library corruption in action! | 14:56 |
| kanzure | would you mind privately sending me credentials? paperbot v2 can try through multiple ezproxy endpoints. | 14:56 |
| kanzure | paperbot uses pdfparanoia to strip watermarks so most of the time identifying information is removed | 14:57 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: only thing i notice with orchestrate.py is https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/blob/master/paperbot/orchestrate.py#L84 | 14:57 |
| nmz787_i | you won't want to do that for a second-level download i think | 14:57 |
| nmz787_i | in that case you'll want it to just be the pdf_url | 14:58 |
| dpk | is paperbot v2 a Python3 production? | 14:58 |
| nmz787_i | i hope not python >3.2 | 14:58 |
| kanzure | not intentionally | 14:58 |
| nmz787_i | >=3.2 | 14:58 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: i don't understand, pdf_url wouldn't go through ezproxy | 14:58 |
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| dpk | 3.2 is the only Python 3 version it's worth trying to target | 14:59 |
| bbrittain | holy shit. thats a lot of schools. how did you collect that list? | 14:59 |
| dpk | well, 3.2 and above | 14:59 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: if it was second level, it would already have the proxy URL in the pdf_url | 14:59 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: years of relentless stalking | 14:59 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: i really really want to read my god damn papers? | 14:59 |
| nmz787_i | dpk: well >=3.2 GIL is slow as hell I thought | 14:59 |
| nmz787_i | at least re: threads | 14:59 |
| dpk | nmz787_i: nope? they significantly improved the GIL to reduce CPU thrashing while trying to get it. maybe that's only in 3.4 or something, i forget | 14:59 |
| nmz787_i | dpk: ctrl-f 3.2 here http://www.dabeaz.com/python/UnderstandingGIL.pdf | 15:00 |
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| nmz787_i | from http://blip.tv/pycon-us-videos-2009-2010-2011/pycon-2010-understanding-the-python-gil-82-3273690 | 15:00 |
| nmz787_i | or going along with, rather | 15:00 |
| dpk | ah, yes, i watched that talk | 15:00 |
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| dpk | there's a more recent one that explains the new GIL, i think | 15:00 |
| dpk | oh. that's the one | 15:01 |
| nmz787_i | ah, would be interested in that | 15:01 |
| nmz787_i | so it's still 300X slower in some cases? | 15:01 |
| * dpk shrugs | 15:01 | |
| nmz787_i | what else is 'great' about py3? | 15:02 |
| dpk | i never use threads anyway | 15:02 |
| dpk | (at this point you are welcome to cite http://www.xkcdb.com/5088) | 15:02 |
| nmz787_i | oh, i use them all over the place | 15:02 |
| kanzure | because you don't know about coroutines | 15:02 |
| nmz787_i | the GUI stuff is all threaded by default | 15:02 |
| nmz787_i | 'coroutines' | 15:02 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: I guess I was wrong about second-level not needing the concatenation of URLS... I seem to not be doing that concatenation at all except in the proxy itself | 15:07 |
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| nmz787_i | i was thinking of something else | 15:07 |
| kanzure | ok | 15:07 |
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| nmz787_i | dpk: that took a lot longer to process than xkcd | 15:10 |
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| kanzure | seems a little unfair to moshez i bet he wasn't even paid for that job at nasa | 15:12 |
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| dpk | hmm, your plugin system is different to mine | 15:18 |
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| dpk | i didn't even consider them as plugins really | 15:20 |
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| dpk | though i guess technically they are | 15:20 |
| kanzure | i didn't think it through really | 15:21 |
| kanzure | what would you do instead? | 15:21 |
| kanzure | or instead of instead, what would you do in the first place | 15:23 |
| dpk | also, how will your try-multiple-times-to-download thing interact with the HTML scrapers? they might need to try logging in from different places too, perhaps | 15:24 |
| dpk | but maybe not, as you said — you can often get a PDF link without logging in | 15:25 |
| kanzure | there should be a separation between the concept of logging in through various proxies | 15:25 |
| kanzure | and the concept of plugins for parsing html differently | 15:25 |
| dpk | my system puts each scraper in a python module | 15:25 |
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| dpk | actually i think it's more Pythonic to put them in classes instead | 15:26 |
| dpk | maybe | 15:26 |
| kanzure | i kinda regret nesting iterdownload() inside of another iterdownload() | 15:27 |
| dpk | where? | 15:27 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/commit/56115dec62ee069095dc045b559c878060843ce1#commitcomment-7518916 | 15:28 |
| kanzure | just look for iterdownload( | 15:28 |
| dpk | ahh | 15:28 |
| dpk | in the loop in download() | 15:28 |
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| nmz787_i | well the nesting of iterdownload should take care of the PDF links that are bogus | 15:29 |
| nmz787_i | i.e. if you grab a sciencedirect pdfLink without being logged in, it will have ShoppingCart in the string, and feeding this to a proxy will just take you to a shopping cart page, rather than the PDF content, even if said proxy has access to the application/PDF | 15:30 |
| kanzure | and the "if is_response_pdf(..): ..." code is duplicated which is stupid of me | 15:30 |
| nmz787_i | so you need to request the HTML through the proxy, then grab the link, then get that link through the proxy | 15:30 |
| kanzure | hm sciencedirect.com doesn't give you citation_pdf_url metadata >:( | 15:31 |
| nmz787_i | what's that for? | 15:33 |
| kanzure | some publishers have agreed to using html meta elements to display metadata about their papers on each page | 15:33 |
| kanzure | others have decided not to do this | 15:33 |
| nmz787_i | i mean what's the utilty for paperbot? | 15:33 |
| kanzure | same extract-metadata-from-html code works on the vast majority of publishers' sites | 15:34 |
| kanzure | without writing a custom version per publisher | 15:34 |
| kanzure | paperbot v1 gets around that by just using whatever zotero translators already exist | 15:34 |
| nmz787_i | mm | 15:35 |
| nmz787_i | i see | 15:35 |
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| nmz787_i | paperbot: http://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11120-010-9556-6 | 16:06 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9df8e04743100b40f2852d207b6681b0.txt | 16:06 |
| nmz787_i | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s11120-010-9556-6 | 16:07 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/dfe5adee11d9930d0fd820c46bf1fd5f.txt | 16:08 |
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| kanzure | "Looking at more refined measures, de Pleijt and Weisdorf find that the fraction of workers classified as “high-quality workmen” – carpenters, joiners, wrights, turners – rose only from 3.9% to 4.9% of the workforce between 1550 and 1850. These are precisely the kinds of workers that Joel Mokyr claims are the crux of the Industrial Revolution in England. They built, improved, adapted, and micro-innovated all the classic inventions of ... | 18:36 |
| kanzure | ... the IR. While they were only between 4-5% of the workers, and this proportion didn’t expand rapidly, given population growth the absolute numbers of these high-quality workmen went up by a factor of 4 between 1700 and 1850 (from about 200K to 850K)." | 18:36 |
| kanzure | http://growthecon.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/the-loss-of-skill-in-the-industrial-revolution/ | 18:36 |
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| kanzure | "It’s a really interesting paper, and it’s neat to see how much information you can keep sucking out of these parish records from England. It leaves me with two big questions/ideas. First, does industrialization depend on a concentrated core of skills, rather than a broad distribution of skills? That is, if Mokyr is right about the source of English industrialization, then it’s those extra 650K high-skilled workers that really made all ... | 18:37 |
| kanzure | ... the difference. Industrialization didn’t involve spreading skills all around the (rapidly expanding) population, but in getting together a critical mass of skilled workers. Are we paying too much attention to average human capital levels when we talk about development and growth, and not enough to looking at when/how/if countries achieve that critical mass of skilled workers? Is the overall level of education irrelevant to ... | 18:37 |
| kanzure | ... industrialization?" | 18:37 |
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| nmz787 | drought in Cali b4 and after pics: http://imgur.com/gallery/IgoUq best comment: "'OP's mom got out of the lake" | 22:23 |
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