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| kanzure | paperbot: http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fninf.2014.00079/abstract | 06:04 |
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| kanzure | .title | 06:04 |
| yoleaux | LEMS: A language for expressing complex biological models in concise and hierarchical form and its use in underpinning NeuroML 2 | 06:04 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/9fc7eb27bbb3860cb2bc34b90ea80c69.txt | 06:05 |
| kanzure | bah | 06:07 |
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| kanzure | eudoxia: hi | 07:24 |
| eudoxia | hey kanzure | 07:24 |
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| eudoxia | http://www.alcor.org/blog/2758-cryopreserved/ i wonder if this is the same person who chemically preserved his father's brain | 07:26 |
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| cuba | paperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003269702006991 | 07:44 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20High%20yield%20electroextraction%20of%20proteins%20from%20yeast%20by%20a%20flow%20process%0A%20.pdf | 07:44 |
| cuba | its broken :/ | 07:45 |
| kanzure | fix it | 07:45 |
| cuba | hi kanzure | 07:47 |
| cuba | can anyone recommend books/good reads on enzyme isolation? | 07:47 |
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| nmz787_i1 | cuba: sure | 09:23 |
| heath | riak_core is so helpful | 09:23 |
| heath | as is riak_dt | 09:23 |
| nmz787_i1 | cuba: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/books/ | 09:24 |
| nmz787_i1 | cuba: Molecular Cloning by Sambrook should have something | 09:24 |
| nmz787_i1 | cuba: this ISBN is also very good 9780471215028 | 09:26 |
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| nmz787_i1 | cuba: this book will be more specific about separations http://www.slideshare.net/AdrianaSantosSilva1/daniel-c-harris-quantitative-chemical-analysis-7th-edition | 09:27 |
| nmz787_i1 | paperbot: http://s3.amazonaws.com/ppt-download/danielc-131111082103-phpapp01.pdf?response-content-disposition=attachment&Signature=hrtPKAS%2FEmBM65dXF1vuJMOWxQ4%3D&Expires=1409934894&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAI6DXMWX6TBWAHQCQ | 09:27 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/2b8a6d53686238742416240e18e2802.txt | 09:29 |
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| kanzure | https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Vala | 09:33 |
| eudoxia | a whole new language just to compile some new statements to GObject | 09:37 |
| eudoxia | this is why languages need macro systems | 09:38 |
| catern | well it's mostly the same as C | 09:39 |
| eudoxia | catern: that is precisely my point. it's so close to C, and the transformations from class definitions to C code are probably so simple, the entire compiler could be implemented as a bunch of macros if C had them | 09:40 |
| catern | right, but if I recall correctly it just compiles to C anyway | 09:41 |
| eudoxia | having two languages that are exactly the same thing except for a few thousand lines of macros is bad | 09:41 |
| eudoxia | example: CLOS was not originally part of Common Lisp, it was implemented using macros, then merged into the standard. nobody created an alternate 'CLOS Lisp' because there was no need to do that. | 09:42 |
| catern | so it's a little bad that that kind of transformation isn't implemented in some kind of standard way, but it's not that bad, since it is still basically just a code transformation | 09:42 |
| eudoxia | mind you, i don't think an object system that compiles to the more verbose GObject. it's just that i'd rather see it implemented in a macro system, rather than require an entire new environment/compiler/ecosystem. | 09:42 |
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| eudoxia | catern: the fact that it's simple is the key here. C++ probably couldn't be implemeted as macros over C, but Vala could. and it would be a small project building on a similarly small macro system. | 09:43 |
| eudoxia | it would be just another library | 09:43 |
| catern | you don't have to convince me of the value of macros, i'm a lisp fan :) | 09:44 |
| catern | just defending vala | 09:44 |
| eudoxia | i like the idea of compiling class definitions to C, i just think it shouldn't be an entirely new language | 09:44 |
| eudoxia | i've been thinking about reading the Object-Oriented Programming With ANSI-C book and implementing an object system for C using my macro system | 09:45 |
| eudoxia | i already did algebraic data types, how hard can something like tinyclos be | 09:46 |
| ParahSailin | adt in cpp macro? | 09:47 |
| ParahSailin | thats hard core | 09:48 |
| eudoxia | no, not preprocessor macros | 09:48 |
| eudoxia | https://github.com/eudoxia0/magma#algebraic-data-types | 09:48 |
| eudoxia | compiled by this https://github.com/eudoxia0/cmacro | 09:48 |
| ParahSailin | ah | 09:49 |
| eudoxia | i think you could do it in the regular preprocessor, if you fed it to itself in a loop until some condition was met... | 09:51 |
| ParahSailin | rust will do this with type-checking | 09:51 |
| eudoxia | i gave it a try, i think i'm going to wait until >1.0 | 09:53 |
| ParahSailin | thats probably a good idea, they havent figured out socket semantics yet | 09:53 |
| ParahSailin | if you're going macros why not make "construct(a, Token -> Integer) { 10 };" be "let a = Integer 10" instead | 09:55 |
| eudoxia | i'm not entirely satisfied with the interface either | 09:55 |
| eudoxia | there was a reason why i required that construct take a previously-defined macro variable | 09:56 |
| eudoxia | but i forgot it | 09:56 |
| ParahSailin | what sort of struct does it actually emit? | 09:57 |
| ParahSailin | i forget the reason rust developers are allergic to the idea of allocation of unknown-at-compile-time size on the stack | 09:58 |
| ParahSailin | when it was explained to me, it didnt seem very convincing | 09:59 |
| eudoxia | something along the lines of enum {Integer, String} Token Type; struct Token { TokenType type; union { struct { int i;} Integer; struct { char s; } String; }; } | 10:00 |
| eudoxia | basically the way you'd do it, manually | 10:01 |
| ParahSailin | yeah | 10:01 |
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| nmz787_i1 | I get to have fun this weekend learning about the magic of c++ __attribute__((packed)) | 10:08 |
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| cuba | thank you very much nmz787_i1 ! | 10:35 |
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| kanzure | > Hi Bulletproof People (I'm cc'ing everyone from bulletproof.com that | 13:13 |
| kanzure | > emailed me this morning just to consolidate everything), | 13:14 |
| kanzure | > I'm not exactly sure what this conference is or what is has to do with | 13:14 |
| kanzure | > us. LA Biohackers is basically a molecular biology / biochemistry lab | 13:14 |
| kanzure | > in LA. We work on science projects. Maybe one of you can explain | 13:14 |
| kanzure | > what this conference is or what bulletproof.com is. All I can gather | 13:14 |
| kanzure | > is you sell some sort of nutritional supplements. | 13:14 |
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| catern | "Bulletproof(R) Brain Octane" | 13:18 |
| catern | lol | 13:18 |
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| delinquentme | Anyone have a clever method for figuring out who the clients of a given company are? | 13:23 |
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| ParahSailin | extortion? | 13:24 |
| kanzure | join the company as an employee | 13:25 |
| kanzure | buy the company | 13:25 |
| kanzure | sometimes asking works | 13:26 |
| nsh | the NSA does | 13:35 |
| nsh | might be easier to borrow their method | 13:35 |
| dingo_ | social engineering | 13:40 |
| dingo_ | be a perspective client and ask who their existing ones are | 13:40 |
| kanzure | Ran 19 tests in 0.323s | 14:12 |
| kanzure | Ran 16 tests in 0.336s | 14:12 |
| kanzure | where did the other tests go? | 14:12 |
| nmz787_i | dingo_: prospective? | 14:18 |
| nmz787_i | huh, apparently those two are 'commonly confused' | 14:19 |
| nmz787_i | enough so that there are lots of google hits | 14:19 |
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| dingo_ | hehe i drank tequila, don\'t gritiziciz my grammer | 17:17 |
| nmz787_i | where can i get a dermal microinjector matrix thing? | 17:25 |
| nmz787_i | like they use for allergy tests | 17:25 |
| kanzure | .g site:alibaba.com dermal microinjector matrix allergies | 17:54 |
| yoleaux | No results found. | 17:54 |
| kanzure | hmph | 17:55 |
| kanzure | very rude | 17:55 |
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| gradstudentbot | I am busy researching. | 17:57 |
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