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| ebowden | paperbot: http://gateway.proquest.com/openurl?url_ver=Z39.88-2004&res_dat=xri:pqdiss&rft_val_fmt=info:ofi/fmt:kev:mtx:dissertation&rft_dat=xri:pqdiss:3421679 | 04:45 |
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| ebowden | paperbot: http://search.proquest.com/docview/753538986 | 04:46 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f095e8f69134c94af6a397d7d3cfe161.txt | 04:47 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/950fdd0d4f8610a7ad2c620f7f952e8a.txt | 04:48 |
| ebowden | Ah, found it with google. | 05:02 |
| ebowden | paperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10517-012-1794-5 | 05:08 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/6afe6dd8ae37218182042234456c2563.txt | 05:08 |
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| ebowden | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23113253 | 05:09 |
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| kanzure | huh, github links aren't rel=nofollow? | 08:50 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.ycombinator.com/rfs/ | 09:06 |
| yoleaux | Requests for Startups | 09:06 |
| kanzure | "Science seems broken. The current funding models are broken and favor political skill over scientific genius." | 09:06 |
| kanzure | "We like companies that try to augment humans." | 09:07 |
| kanzure | "Drug development has gotten slower and more expensive. We’d like to fund companies doing this in new ways. Areas like nootropics seem underexplored." | 09:07 |
| kanzure | "It’s still early, but it seems like we’re finally making real progress hacking biology. Reading DNA has become incredibly fast and cheap. There are many interesting applications here. There are perhaps even more interesting applications as we get better at writing DNA. ... We are especially interested in applications of biotech to prevent its own misuses. For example, if the bad guys can create new infectious diseases quickly, it’d be ... | 09:08 |
| kanzure | ... nice if the good guys could create new cures and vaccines quickly as well." | 09:08 |
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| nmz787_i1 | good recommendations for a NAS? | 09:52 |
| nmz787_i1 | I think I'm ordering from Newegg | 09:52 |
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| nmz787_i1 | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_OS | 09:56 |
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| ruphos | drobo is decent for minimal configuration | 10:32 |
| ruphos | qnap is quality but pricy | 10:33 |
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| pi- | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18423978 | 11:32 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.cellsig.2008.02.022 | 11:32 |
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| nmz787 | paperbot http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2007/PP/b618104j | 13:31 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/53471de93255b159949f75a7a83c6f49.txt | 13:31 |
| nmz787 | .title | 13:31 |
| yoleaux | RIT Libraries: Off Campus Log-In to Library Resources | 13:31 |
| kanzure | yeah.. | 13:33 |
| kanzure | .title http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2007/PP/b618104j | 13:33 |
| yoleaux | Chlorophyll derivatives as visual pigments for super vision in the red | 13:33 |
| kanzure | that's already on the server | 13:33 |
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| nmz787_i | so supposedly Cadence (CAD) autorouter doesn't support 45-degree angles, at least during routing, from what i've heard (meaning you can take a 90 degree later and miter it to a 45) | 13:53 |
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| delinquentme | paperbot, http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2014/LC/C4LC00385C#!divAbstract | 14:32 |
| chris_99 | i bought a lidar to play with nmz787 :) | 14:32 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/b3c64c410c37e82474843bea04244543.txt | 14:33 |
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| nmz787_i | chris_99: huh, cool! for a robot? or just to play with on your desk for now? | 15:24 |
| chris_99 | its in the post, i'm not sure exactly what i'm gonna use it for, i'm gonna look into SLAM | 15:25 |
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| chris_99 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnspWPlBM_o -- thats the same lidar | 15:42 |
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| kanzure | .title | 16:25 |
| yoleaux | Neato XV-11 lidar + stm32f4discovery + lcd tft display | 16:25 |
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| kanzure | barah2: hi | 16:36 |
| barah2 | hi :) | 16:37 |
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| barah2 | Not speaking English well :) | 16:37 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 19:42 |
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| kanzure | i see | 19:43 |
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| kanzure | "Ethyl alcohol is a common and cheap partially-polarized solvent. This makes it really really useful, to the point where taxing it too highly would just be a general tax on economic activity. This is the same reasoning, by the way, for why we no longer have taxes on salt (NaCl). It's just too damn useful, and we need to use it in such massive quantities that the high levels of taxes that you are proposing would be a general disincentive to ... | 19:57 |
| kanzure | ... modern industrial processes." | 19:57 |
| kanzure | med school costs https://www.aamc.org/download/152968/data/debtfactcard.pdf | 20:04 |
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| kanzure | "Kamêjôkô (1990s Vietnamese comics)" | 20:18 |
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| kanzure | why is #lesswrong consistently wrong? | 20:36 |
| ebowden | LOL | 20:36 |
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| ebowden | What've they said now? | 20:36 |
| kanzure | is there some rule about a bunch of people being in the same place and they all have to say wrong stuff | 20:36 |
| kanzure | 20:36 < feep> if you perfectly fabricate a body of a person I've murdered | 20:37 |
| kanzure | 20:36 < feep> I should not go to prison if I haven't _actually_ murdered them | 20:37 |
| kanzure | "haha doing illegal things doesn't matter if there's a copy" | 20:37 |
| kanzure | who the fuck are these people | 20:38 |
| ebowden | LOLOLOLOLOL | 20:38 |
| kanzure | what? | 20:38 |
| ebowden | Are they serious? | 20:39 |
| ParahSailin | yo | 20:40 |
| kanzure | hi ParahSailin | 20:41 |
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| ParahSailin | with some heroku guys now | 20:42 |
| kanzure | ask them if they have fixed their load balancing | 20:43 |
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| MononcQc | hi, I work with the (non)borken load balancing. | 20:44 |
| MononcQc | got questions? | 20:44 |
| kanzure | are you interviewing ParahSailin? | 20:45 |
| ParahSailin | nah, i didnt interview with them just mooch their beer | 20:46 |
| kanzure | also, how do i avoid long buildpack buildtimes | 20:46 |
| MononcQc | I know routing, not buildpacks. | 20:46 |
| kanzure | like, local gem/pypi/npm caching or something please | 20:46 |
| kanzure | oh | 20:46 |
| kanzure | MononcQc: you might be vaguely interested in this load balancing service discovery thing i released yesterday https://github.com/kanzure/docker-basenode | 20:47 |
| MononcQc | HA Proxy is not workable for a thing like Heroku. So many apps and processes to route through, state reloads alone peg a CPU with HAPRoxy | 20:48 |
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| kanzure | MononcQc: what do you prefer? | 20:50 |
| MononcQc | for what? | 20:51 |
| MononcQc | depends on the load and whatnot | 20:51 |
| MononcQc | HEroku ended up with custom software. | 20:51 |
| kanzure | instead of haproxy | 20:51 |
| kanzure | ah ok | 20:51 |
| MononcQc | HA Proxy is workable for many scenarios, but not ours, for example | 20:51 |
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| kanzure | this is just local internal load balancing between services | 20:52 |
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| kanzure | every node in the cluster connects to a service (like maybe an api server) but only once going through localhost haproxy | 20:52 |
| MononcQc | ah yeah for that stuff it's likely fine. I was told someone was dissing random routing though | 20:52 |
| kanzure | i diss lots of stuff | 20:52 |
| MononcQc | yeah. It jus tturns out that over certain loads, if reqs are quick enough or in large number enough, and you get enough front-ends, the information becomes worthless | 20:54 |
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| MononcQc | or even harmful to have. Eventually it devolves to as bad/good as random routing | 20:54 |
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| MononcQc | so going to random right away is more efficient (little overhead). The solution ot this is minor amounts of concurrency on the endpoint for the eventual uneven load distribution | 20:55 |
| MononcQc | and you get near-optimal stuff. | 20:55 |
| kanzure | i don't think i've ever had enough traffic to test that anyway | 20:55 |
| MononcQc | The best algorithm is join-idle queue, but requires coordination from the client to the proxies | 20:55 |
| tristan3 | yea, haproxy or nginx reverse proxy is the same strategy of routing but unable to deal with the change in routing logic rate | 20:55 |
| MononcQc | so for lower traffic loads, leastconn, round-robin or random are probably a bit better than random | 20:56 |
| MononcQc | but as load increases it gets more and more like random | 20:56 |
| kanzure | tristan3: are you routing only too? | 20:56 |
| tristan3 | kanzure: team I work on, yea | 20:57 |
| MononcQc | routing gang | 20:57 |
| * MononcQc hand signs | 20:57 | |
| kanzure | that seems a little unlikely why was ParahSailin talking to the exact set of people for the thing i was complaining about | 20:59 |
| kanzure | some magic | 20:59 |
| tristan3 | unlikely but happened :) | 20:59 |
| MononcQc | he's in a room with us | 20:59 |
| tristan3 | he is hanging with thealmost the whole routing team right now | 20:59 |
| kanzure | yeah but i could have complained about buildpacks | 20:59 |
| kanzure | or salesforce api things | 20:59 |
| MononcQc | yeah then you're on your own | 20:59 |
| tristan3 | oh, well then we go tnothign :( | 20:59 |
| tristan3 | haha salesfroce | 21:00 |
| kanzure | "just append __c on everything you'll be fine" | 21:00 |
| MononcQc | #drimjob | 21:00 |
| tristan3 | is that the salesforce api? | 21:00 |
| omarkj | Gotta build some CRM extensions... | 21:00 |
| kanzure | that is the salesforce api yep | 21:00 |
| MononcQc | Enjoy the Apex code | 21:00 |
| tristan3 | haha awesome | 21:00 |
| kanzure | i refuse | 21:00 |
| tristan3 | never touched it | 21:00 |
| MononcQc | same. | 21:00 |
| MononcQc | We Erlangin' | 21:00 |
| omarkj | I have...maintained the CLI for a while | 21:01 |
| kanzure | cli for which | 21:01 |
| omarkj | s/the/a | 21:01 |
| omarkj | SFDC | 21:01 |
| omarkj | rest api | 21:01 |
| omarkj | not all of it because it's huge | 21:01 |
| kanzure | i didn't really mean to bring up the retarded cousin nobody talks about, sorry | 21:02 |
| tristan3 | haha | 21:02 |
| MononcQc | nice | 21:03 |
| omarkj | Haha yeeaaah | 21:03 |
| tristan3 | I like this guy | 21:03 |
| kanzure | although... there was that connect thing? | 21:03 |
| omarkj | Nah | 21:03 |
| kanzure | https://www.heroku.com/connect | 21:03 |
| omarkj | Force cli | 21:03 |
| tristan3 | yea, heroku connect | 21:03 |
| omarkj | tristan3: that's another thing | 21:03 |
| tristan3 | force cli is related I think | 21:03 |
| tristan3 | no idea! | 21:03 |
| MononcQc | it's a thing so salesforce haters like salesforce a bit more afaik but I never bothered | 21:03 |
| kanzure | i was thinking of doing a thing with http://raml.org/ | 21:03 |
| MononcQc | I route requests and then cause downtime with messed up deploys | 21:03 |
| kanzure | tough life man | 21:04 |
| omarkj | Yeah it means you can get some data without logging in | 21:04 |
| omarkj | to make the cli crowd feel less ignored | 21:04 |
| kanzure | it's like working at the sewage company | 21:04 |
| kanzure | or the postal company i assume ('the mail never stops') | 21:04 |
| omarkj | yeah we do sewage for apps | 21:04 |
| MononcQc | We do important stuff but they're all garbage or something | 21:04 |
| MononcQc | har har | 21:04 |
| kanzure | boilers and toilets and that one boiling toilet | 21:04 |
| MononcQc | ~logging systems~ | 21:05 |
| omarkj | people notice when we fuck up, but prefer not to know we exist. it's nice | 21:05 |
| kanzure | if you do everything right nobody will know you have done anything at all -dilbert | 21:05 |
| omarkj | also god in Futurama | 21:05 |
| MononcQc | yeah | 21:05 |
| kanzure | oh that's the one i mean | 21:05 |
| kanzure | ah here's the right quote.. "Toilets 'n' boilers, boilers 'n' toilets. Plus that one boiling toilet. Fire me if'n you dare." | 21:06 |
| kanzure | but really, building slugs has wasted entire hours of my life | 21:08 |
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| kanzure | i am skeptical: https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2014/2/11/git_push_heroku_master_now_40_faster | 21:09 |
| kanzure | same problem happens with dockerfiles too | 21:10 |
| MononcQc | http://theonion.github.io/fartscroll.js/ | 21:10 |
| kanzure | butt tastic | 21:10 |
| kanzure | but it doesn't seem to have the high pitched fart | 21:10 |
| kanzure | ah there it is | 21:10 |
| omarkj | I have never built slugs | 21:11 |
| omarkj | tristan3 has | 21:11 |
| tristan3 | I build slugs like no other | 21:11 |
| kanzure | so no dog food | 21:11 |
| MononcQc | not for us | 21:12 |
| tristan3 | we dogfood except for the dogfood | 21:12 |
| MononcQc | other teams dogfood | 21:12 |
| tristan3 | I wish we could dogfood, haha | 21:12 |
| tristan3 | we have to deploy with non heroku tools | 21:12 |
| kanzure | "we can only deploy with octohost" | 21:13 |
| kanzure | "and dotcloud" | 21:13 |
| omarkj | Yeah I wish we could dog food... | 21:13 |
| kanzure | obviously you should be running chaos monkey | 21:14 |
| MononcQc | we do it's call "running on AWS" | 21:14 |
| omarkj | Yeah | 21:14 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/Netflix/SimianArmy/wiki/Chaos-Monkey | 21:14 |
| kanzure | you guys sound like an elaborate ad for devops borat | 21:15 |
| omarkj | Amazon kills instances for is, as a service | 21:15 |
| omarkj | For us | 21:15 |
| MononcQc | We're cynical. | 21:15 |
| kanzure | .tw 320168661509890051 | 21:15 |
| yoleaux | In startup we are gamify site outage. Three outage and ops team is out. (@DEVOPS_BORAT) | 21:15 |
| MononcQc | But we can't easily run a thing like chaosmonkey because that would interrupt customer requests when we don't control clients | 21:15 |
| MononcQc | Netflix can write self-reconnecting and redirecting clients, we get users in browsers trying to buy shit and whatnot | 21:15 |
| omarkj | Yeah chaos monkey would disrupt requests in flight | 21:15 |
| kanzure | .tw https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/311340681950007297 | 21:16 |
| omarkj | MononcQc: we could do it for parts of the system | 21:16 |
| yoleaux | Every PaaS can able be reduce to 120 Perl script. (@DEVOPS_BORAT) | 21:16 |
| kanzure | .tw https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/311335361169195009 | 21:16 |
| yoleaux | In startup we are practice Outage Driven Infrastructure. (@DEVOPS_BORAT) | 21:16 |
| MononcQc | yeah we could for parts of the system, but then it would be a "slightly chaotic monkey" | 21:16 |
| omarkj | Haha yeah | 21:16 |
| kanzure | the trick is to keep it under the natural failure rate | 21:16 |
| MononcQc | kanzure, we've seen issues we never could imagine | 21:16 |
| tristan3 | HashNuke: ! | 21:17 |
| MononcQc | kernel error that always accepts data in the TCP send buffer but never actually sends them, while still being able to keep the connection open and properly receiving data from remote | 21:17 |
| kanzure | .tw https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/310165414338494464 | 21:17 |
| yoleaux | You can not able have unlimit scalability without unlimit outage. (@DEVOPS_BORAT) | 21:17 |
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| kanzure | yeah i'm sure kernel tweaks are required here and there | 21:18 |
| MononcQc | oh this was a kernel bug | 21:19 |
| kanzure | are there stress tests the kernel tcp people run before doing a release? | 21:20 |
| MononcQc | no idea | 21:22 |
| kanzure | this is how i imagine you people http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2013/05/mighty-morphin-power-rangers-team-copy.jpg | 21:23 |
| kanzure | "who needs stress testing!" | 21:23 |
| kanzure | do it live | 21:23 |
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| kanzure | hmm http server mocking thing https://github.com/rackerlabs/mimic | 21:35 |
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| kanzure | damn i should start using this instead of requestbin http://respondto.it/ | 21:44 |
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| kanzure | fenn: hi | 22:36 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 23:39 |
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