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| pasky | I'm kinda busy right now :) but yeah might be fun | 00:39 |
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| archels | ParahSailin: how do you mean--would that kind of spatial resolution be unrealistic? | 01:52 |
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| ParahSailin | archels: you need more dna than a single cell | 06:29 |
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| archels | yeah, I was thinking of a thin slice, maybe 100 microns square and 20 high, containing a bunch of neurons and/or neurites | 07:02 |
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| archels | haha, great analogy for "is an uploaded mind conscious?" -- "is simulated rain wet?" | 07:15 |
| chris_99 | heh | 07:16 |
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| ParahSailin | well you can sequence that, the value of that, i dont know | 07:20 |
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| archels | this is what I found last night: www.sciencemag.org/content/343/6177/1360.abstract | 07:22 |
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| kanzure | .title | 07:58 |
| yoleaux | Highly Multiplexed Subcellular RNA Sequencing in Situ | 07:58 |
| kanzure | "Proofs of partial knowledge and simplified design of witness hiding protocols" http://www.win.tue.nl/~berry/papers/crypto94.pdf | 07:59 |
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| chris_99 | off-topic but does anyone recognise this quote https://i.imgur.com/DT7IMYI.jpg it looks like it could be from a sci-fi book possibly | 08:34 |
| JayDugger | No, I don't recognize the quote. Or the woman shown. | 08:37 |
| chris_99 | i'm assuming it was made up by the person who runs that twitter feed then | 08:39 |
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| kanzure | .title http://www.righto.com/2014/09/mining-bitcoin-with-pencil-and-paper.html | 10:14 |
| yoleaux | Ken Shirriff's blog: Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day | 10:14 |
| chris_99 | i was just looking at that, impressiv | 10:15 |
| kanzure | .title http://zeptobars.ru/en/read/bitfury-bitcoin-mining-chip | 10:16 |
| yoleaux | Bitfury - specialized Bitcoin processor : weekend die-shot : ZeptoBars | 10:16 |
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| kanzure | i feel bad about not having used sslsnoop yet https://github.com/trolldbois/sslsnoop | 11:53 |
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| kanzure | tmux plugin manager https://github.com/tmux-plugins/tpm | 11:58 |
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| kanzure | bitcoin incentives for should-be-crackable-in-scalar-time locks https://github.com/petertodd/timelock | 12:52 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/desk-includes-human-sized-hamster-wheel-article-1.1950927 | 13:24 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, simplest proxy for web scrapers? | 13:31 |
| kanzure | geosurf? | 13:32 |
| delinquentme | I guess theres nothing like incognito mode for chrome or FF when using headless browsers eh? | 13:34 |
| delinquentme | I just realized Im sending passwords through proxies | 13:34 |
| delinquentme | other than googles or firefoxes | 13:34 |
| kanzure | there's no generic proxy api service for "give me an exit node near these geographic coordinates" | 13:39 |
| kanzure | mostly because the amount of abuse it would experience is too extreme | 13:39 |
| kanzure | i suppose such a service could work.... for the right price. | 13:39 |
| delinquentme | ROFL | 13:50 |
| delinquentme | found out things about okcupid | 13:50 |
| justanotheruser | thoughts on http://www.shapeoko.com/ | 13:52 |
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| jrayhawk | what things have you found out about okcupid | 14:03 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: basically limited to woodworking | 14:04 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: get one of these instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqePrbeAQoM | 14:05 |
| kanzure | .title | 14:05 |
| yoleaux | Okuma's 5-Axis Vertical Machining Center, MU-500VA - YouTube | 14:05 |
| justanotheruser | how man tens of thousands of dollars? | 14:07 |
| kanzure | at least 50? | 14:08 |
| kanzure | $500k sounds about right | 14:08 |
| justanotheruser | okay | 14:11 |
| kanzure | there's like 1000 competitors to shapeoko none of which i remember at the moment | 14:12 |
| * justanotheruser remortgages his house | 14:12 | |
| kanzure | kickstarter has a competitor every other day for this sort of low-end stuff | 14:12 |
| kanzure | i think chris_99 or abetusk bought one? | 14:13 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z64HCi2rQkE | 14:15 |
| yoleaux | Kenji Kawai - Cinema Symphony - Ghost In The Shell OST - YouTube | 14:15 |
| kanzure | i can't remember if this was any good :( | 14:16 |
| delinquentme | effing hell. | 14:16 |
| delinquentme | automation of web forms. | 14:16 |
| delinquentme | there just isn't a good fucking tool | 14:16 |
| kanzure | casperjs | 14:16 |
| kanzure | http://docs.casperjs.org/en/latest/modules/casper.html#fill | 14:16 |
| kanzure | NEXT QUESTION | 14:16 |
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| delinquentme | kanzure, why does this change so often? | 14:19 |
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| kanzure | mechanize still works, what are you talking about | 14:19 |
| delinquentme | nah. if I have to do something more than 1) define form 2) set username / password 3) .submit() | 14:21 |
| delinquentme | somethings fucked. | 14:21 |
| delinquentme | insufficient abstraction. | 14:21 |
| kanzure | yes and software should magically install itself without you asking, whatever | 14:22 |
| delinquentme | I mean it works in situations... but troubleshooting eh | 14:22 |
| kanzure | weinre is useful for debugging remote browser stuffs | 14:23 |
| kanzure | aardvark too but i prefer ewinre | 14:23 |
| kanzure | *weinre | 14:23 |
| kanzure | also, this is v. cool https://github.com/twolfson/phantomjsify (it's browserify except node modules for phantomjs) | 14:24 |
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| justanotheruser | Are any 3d printers or CNC machines on kickstarter ever worth it? | 15:26 |
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| kanzure | really depends on what you want to be making | 15:38 |
| ThomasEgi | justanotheruser, not to my knowledge | 16:23 |
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| kanzure | i wonder how paranoid everyone would have to be about computing security to want to bother to almost always do homebrew or at least supervised asic manufacturing stuff | 16:55 |
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| streety | kanzure: very? | 17:27 |
| streety | I suspect most would stop using computers first | 17:28 |
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| kanzure | that seems inconvenient | 17:30 |
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| streety | well most people aren't going to know how to design a cpu, and the effort of learning will be more than most will tolerate | 17:33 |
| kanzure | there are open source cpu projects that would provide that | 17:34 |
| streety | convincing people of the benefit of an open source architecture would be more achievable | 17:35 |
| kanzure | i suspect and hope that people would look for existing projects before they set off to design their own | 17:35 |
| kanzure | well, everyone running to tmsc or whatever isn't really going to happen, that will just clog the pipeline and make it impossible for anyone to pay a reasonable price | 17:35 |
| streety | where would the chip be made, and how would they verify that it is what they requested? | 17:35 |
| kanzure | right, exactly | 17:36 |
| kanzure | so, lots of community colleges have equipment to do at least 100 micron resolution stuff | 17:36 |
| kanzure | so it is at least possible to have non-state-of-the-art equipment | 17:36 |
| streety | I didn't know that, interesting | 17:37 |
| kanzure | i haven't seen any proposals for secure asic/ic manufacturing | 17:37 |
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| kanzure | just pointing a camera at the production equipment wont show you what sort of doping taint might be occurring | 17:38 |
| kanzure | and the video feed can be on a loop anyway | 17:38 |
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| streety | above where you mentioned 100 microns, did you mean 100 nm? 100 microns would seem to be a long long way from state-of-the-art | 17:40 |
| kanzure | well you don't always need 100 nm manufactring | 17:41 |
| kanzure | i suppose one way to do outsourced chip manufacturing in a somewhat secure manner is to use some sort of circuit obfuscation scheme that would make it terribly difficult for the manufacturer to modify without it being obvious in testing | 17:42 |
| streety | what sort of tasks do you think a 100 micron chip would be capable of doing? | 17:43 |
| streety | could you not visually inspect the chip after manufacture? | 17:44 |
| kanzure | unfortunately there are dopant-level trojans | 17:44 |
| kanzure | http://emsec.rub.de/media/crypto/veroeffentlichungen/2014/02/20/BeckerChes13.pdf | 17:44 |
| streety | that makes life difficult | 17:47 |
| kanzure | true dat | 17:48 |
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| ThomasEgi | streety, 100microns can do a lot. in fact it'd be most useful for dedicated communication tasks. it could easily manage mail and chat systems. | 18:04 |
| kanzure | oh yeah i forgot about http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Reversing%20Stealthy%20Dopant-Level%20Circuits.pdf | 18:06 |
| kanzure | "use scanning electron microscopy and focused ion beams to take images of the contact layer" | 18:06 |
| streety | fair enough, thanks ThomasEgi | 18:09 |
| kanzure | 18:07 < gmaxwell> kanzure: the idea is that if you have a bag of circuits, and then you (unknown to the attacker) pool them randomly and then verify all the members of the pool disagree, it becomes very hard to make it such that a whole pool will be consistently wrong without having some partially wrong pools | 18:09 |
| ThomasEgi | depends on the maximum die size and frequency tho. | 18:09 |
| ThomasEgi | i was thinking about something like a 50um process for do it at home semiconductors. creating A5 sized sheets of circuits, stacking them. didn't get to a practical stage but it does seems feasible. | 18:10 |
| ThomasEgi | with structure sizes that big you can optically verify your masks and the resulting circuit. pretty much the only way to build trusted hardware. | 18:11 |
| kanzure | stacking why? | 18:12 |
| ThomasEgi | a z80 would be a wonderful candidate | 18:12 |
| kanzure | a z80 is probably too complex for a first target | 18:12 |
| kanzure | how about a <2000 transistor design for starters | 18:12 |
| ThomasEgi | using a 100μm process it would fit onto about 10x10cm | 18:15 |
| kanzure | who would have the incentive to do this though? i haven't figured this one out | 18:16 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSdVd6j9Ie0 | 22:32 |
| yoleaux | "GUNDAM" Openings Compilation オープニング コレクション - YouTube | 22:32 |
| kanzure | hah the head spike animation. that's hilarious. | 22:42 |
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| delinquentme | http://blog.lacebark.io/2014/09/25/area-programmer-lament-designers-dont-use-the-same-tools-he-does/ | 22:43 |
| delinquentme | dont lash me kanzure | 22:44 |
| kanzure | or eyebrow animation | 22:44 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: you lose points for not reading my comments about that article, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8378804 | 22:45 |
| kanzure | i am not sure but it looks like iamwil was the author of the article, so i'm surprised he didn't know about verbnurbs and stuff | 22:45 |
| juri_ | tomorow, i build an 8'x4'x2.5' printer. | 22:47 |
| kanzure | well, gotta do something i guess | 22:47 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGs_qK2PQA | 22:52 |
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