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| kanzure | proof-of-concept for attacking that drupal 7 vulnerability http://milankragujevic.com/post/66 | 07:53 |
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| kanzure | huh, 23andme acquired curetogether back in 2012 | 08:20 |
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| JayDugger | .wik ecdsa | 10:28 |
| yoleaux | "In cryptography, the Elliptic Curve Digital Signature Algorithm (ECDSA) offers a variant of the Digital Signature Algorithm (DSA) which uses elliptic curve cryptography." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECDSA | 10:28 |
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| kjskjskjs | 17:36 Ignoring JOINS PARTS from ##hplusroadmap | 10:36 |
| chris_99 | ? | 10:36 |
| kjskjskjs | (thought it might be useful to anyone else who wasn't already doing it) | 10:38 |
| kanzure | yeah bunch of jerks in here :( | 10:38 |
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| kjskjskjs | oh, I guess I really need JOINS PARTS QUITS? | 10:51 |
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| kanzure | yeah i'm not actually sure why everyone is so noisy in here | 11:20 |
| kanzure | should i just start banning offenders? | 11:21 |
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| nmz787_i1 | noisy as in what? | 12:06 |
| nmz787_i1 | logging in and out repeatedly? | 12:06 |
| kanzure | parts, joins, quits | 12:09 |
| nmz787_i1 | isn't that ISP dependent? | 12:10 |
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| fenn | chirp chirp | 12:24 |
| fenn | one observer's noise is another's signal | 12:30 |
| kanzure | kanzure@raichu:~/local/jotmuch/jotmuch$ ./jot count | 12:37 |
| kanzure | 1598 | 12:37 |
| kanzure | things that are worth reading: | 12:38 |
| kanzure | "Practical delegation of computation using multiple servers" http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~benriva/ccs11.pdf | 12:38 |
| kanzure | "VerSum: Verifiable computations over large public logs" http://people.csail.mit.edu/nickolai/papers/vandenhooff-versum.pdf | 12:38 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/futurism/Who%20steers%20who%20steers%3f%20A%20note%20on%20identifying%20vulnerable%20moral%20propensities.pdf | 12:38 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/incentives/Analysing%20the%20security%20of%20incentive%20schemes%20in%20p2p-based%20file-sharing%20systems.pdf | 12:39 |
| fenn | THE BLOCKCHAIN IS TRUTH! ALWAYS TRUST THE BLOCKCHAIN! HEIL HEIL HEIL | 12:40 |
| kanzure | well not /always/ | 12:40 |
| kanzure | it's an anti-replay oracle that has some various failure modes | 12:41 |
| fenn | i'm just quoting the video you linked | 12:41 |
| kanzure | oh, the last uh half of the video is totally wrong | 12:41 |
| fenn | http://youtube.com/watch?v=YIVAluSL9SU&t=2m40s (am i doing that right) | 12:42 |
| kanzure | damn that's before half | 12:43 |
| kanzure | "votes during elections".. so hyped up vote buying. got it. | 12:43 |
| fenn | i'm not really following how one "each unit is individually programmable" | 12:44 |
| kanzure | they are lying/wrong | 12:44 |
| kanzure | transactions have scripts with a variety of opcodes available, like for defining redemption requirements (number of signatures required, which signatures, etc.) | 12:44 |
| kanzure | if you want an only somewhat non-technical thing to watch for a few hours, this is not a total waste of time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM&t=13m10s | 12:52 |
| kanzure | or the transcript version i guess http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/andreas-antonopolous-canada-senate-bitcoin/ | 12:57 |
| kanzure | i forgot about that | 12:57 |
| fenn | is it too much to ask why i would want to watch that? | 12:57 |
| kanzure | well it's not every day that you see someone taking on 12 senators successfully | 12:58 |
| kanzure | since there's a transcript there's practically no reason to watch it | 12:58 |
| fenn | oh well he is "THE bitcoin guru" | 12:59 |
| kanzure | they are senators give them a break | 13:00 |
| fenn | the canadian senate bears a strong resemblance to a school board meeting | 13:00 |
| kanzure | probably all committees and boards look exactly the same | 13:01 |
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| fenn | well it's always good to reinforce one's stereotypes | 13:02 |
| fenn | i mean, dump more covariant data into the ol' biological learning algorithm | 13:02 |
| fenn | ok he lost me at "security and decentralization seemed like contrary concepts" | 13:03 |
| fenn | is it true that one can submit a video transcript to youtube and it will auto-sync the transcript to the audio as subtitles? | 13:08 |
| kanzure | dunno, sounds like magic to me | 13:08 |
| kanzure | oh, i didn't actually listen to or watch the "prepared remarks". anybody can write whatever they want ahead of time, that's less interesting. | 13:09 |
| fenn | did you type this or just copypaste it from somewhere? | 13:10 |
| kanzure | there is a <h1> that says "Prepared remarks", those were read from a script | 13:11 |
| kanzure | the other section was question-answer frmat | 13:11 |
| kanzure | skip the prepared, pre-determined speech stuff. | 13:11 |
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| kjskjskjs | you should not ban offenders, I think, kanzure | 13:34 |
| kjskjskjs | although I wonder how many people are here but never read it | 13:34 |
| kjskjskjs | "QUITS" was not the right thing ot ignore | 13:34 |
| kjskjskjs | in irssi anyway | 13:35 |
| fenn | it's totally fair to kick someone for spamming quit/joins | 13:38 |
| kjskjskjs | yeah, but nobody is | 13:41 |
| fenn | agreed | 13:43 |
| kjskjskjs | it's just that there are so many people here that a normal rate of ping timeouts for each one results in a high volume of quits and joins | 13:46 |
| fenn | it's just the internet's way of reminding you that there are a potentially infinite number of lurkers | 13:49 |
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| kanzure | .dearest fenn http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201409/the-last-true-hermit?printable=true | 13:52 |
| kanzure | .dearest fenn nuclear batteries for electronics https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8195223 | 13:54 |
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| fenn | wuts dearest | 14:26 |
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| fenn | .help dearest | 14:27 |
| yoleaux | fenn: Sorry, no help is available for dearest. | 14:27 |
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| fenn | .dearest | 14:35 |
| kanzure | well it was something like .tell or .to or something | 14:36 |
| kanzure | .towhomitmayconcern | 14:37 |
| kanzure | it probably doesn't exist | 14:38 |
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| fenn | "The tax system allows me to declare upon honor how to pay taxes, and then impose penalties upon me if I make that decision incorrectly." this is what i hate the most about taxes | 14:45 |
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| kanzure | it's a little weird that he had to explain to the senators how taxes work at all | 14:49 |
| fenn | naw, politicians are basically just actors with a large advisory staff | 14:50 |
| kanzure | "are we going to have to mandate that the tax authority must be paid in bitcoin?" | 14:50 |
| kanzure | er, right, just like you force everyone to pay in shares/stocks/certificates/bonds/gold/houses/cars.. | 14:50 |
| fenn | they usually want a check in $national_currency | 14:51 |
| kanzure | exactly. | 14:51 |
| fenn | assume you have two cows.. | 14:52 |
| fenn | now start an internet domain name registry! | 14:52 |
| kanzure | 10:00 < sipa> some programmers, when cobfronted with a problem think "i know, i'll use floating point!"; now they have 1.9999997 problems | 14:52 |
| kanzure | s/problems/cows | 14:53 |
| fenn | okay maybe that wasn't common knowledge: http://www.tucows.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_have_two_cows | 14:56 |
| fenn | "see also: spherical cow" | 14:56 |
| kanzure | "These examples were meant to show the limitations of the barter system" they were just not naggy enough | 14:57 |
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| fenn | .ety nag | 14:57 |
| yoleaux | nag (v.): ""annoy by scolding," 1828, originally a dialectal word meaning "to gnaw" (1825), probably ultimately from a Scandinavian source (compare Old Norse gnaga "to complain," literally "to bite, gnaw," dialectal Swedish and Norwegian nagga "to …" — http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=nag | 14:57 |
| kanzure | bitcoin brings out the weirdest people | 14:59 |
| kanzure | the other day in #bitcoin someone was asking how the price is picked | 14:59 |
| kanzure | it's a fair question, but it turns out the person didn't know how /any/ prices come to be at all. | 14:59 |
| kanzure | (not just bitcoin prices) | 14:59 |
| kanzure | so i guess a question about taxes isn't totally unfair | 14:59 |
| fenn | it's the sort of thing that becomes less and less obvious the more you look at it | 15:00 |
| fenn | price setting i mean | 15:00 |
| kanzure | i like how all these banks with isda etc were setting the price of swaps | 15:00 |
| kanzure | with committee names like "the fixing committee" | 15:00 |
| kanzure | "but wait, isn't price fixing illegal?" | 15:00 |
| fenn | is it? | 15:00 |
| fenn | lots of prices are fixed by the government | 15:01 |
| kanzure | hmm http://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/dealings-competitors/price-fixing | 15:01 |
| kanzure | "terms. Generally, the antitrust laws require that each company establish prices and other terms on its own, without agreeing with a competitor. When consumers make choices about what products and services to buy, they expect that the price has been determined freely on the basis of supply and demand, not by an agreement among competitors." | 15:01 |
| fenn | given a spherical consumer... | 15:02 |
| kanzure | "In the United States, price fixing can be prosecuted as a criminal federal offense under section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act.[2]" | 15:02 |
| drazak_ | kanzure: fiat currency is very very strange | 15:03 |
| kanzure | ".... Fixing the price of gold, oil, and other financial products will become a criminal offence by the end of the year, the government announced on Thursday as it published a consultation on extending rules already introduced for Libor rigging..." | 15:03 |
| kanzure | hm well i guess the answer is no/hadn't been | 15:03 |
| fenn | huh? why would anyone fix the price of gold | 15:04 |
| fenn | it only makes sense for illiquid commodities | 15:04 |
| fenn | or if there is a small number of sellers | 15:05 |
| kanzure | "The banks -- Britain's Barclays and HSBC, Canada's Scotiabank and Societe Generale of France -- are all members of the Gold Fixing Company and agree the price twice daily. Germany's Deutsche Bank pulled out of the panel earlier this year." | 15:05 |
| kanzure | http://news.yahoo.com/londons-scandal-hit-gold-price-fixing-under-spotlight-043506082.html | 15:05 |
| kanzure | anyway this is some of the fallout of the libor scandal stuff http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425 | 15:06 |
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| kanzure | one possible answer is that if it's profitable to fix the price then it will be done | 15:08 |
| fenn | reading that gold article it seems there were basically only 4 sellers of gold (the 4 major banks) | 15:09 |
| kanzure | many contracts and other financial products are tied to that price, though | 15:09 |
| kanzure | (by reference) | 15:10 |
| kanzure | uhm, i shouldn't state that so strongly. just that, this is the reason why it's a concern. | 15:10 |
| kanzure | possibly. | 15:10 |
| kanzure | that's what was happening in libor according to those other articles. | 15:10 |
| fenn | heh by matt taibbi | 15:12 |
| kanzure | known name? | 15:12 |
| fenn | known rabble-rouser | 15:13 |
| kanzure | a trouser wencher, got it | 15:14 |
| fenn | His July 2009 Rolling Stone article "The Great American Bubble Machine" described Goldman Sachs as "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money".[1][11] The expression "Vampire Squids" has come to represent in financial and political media the perception of the financial and investment sector as entities | 15:15 |
| fenn | that "sabotage production" and "sink the economy as they suck the life out of it in the form of rent. | 15:15 |
| kanzure | he should tell them how he really feels about it | 15:16 |
| jrayhawk_ | oh yeah, so how'd that submarine thing go, anyway | 15:16 |
| fenn | -_- | 15:17 |
| kanzure | be nice | 15:17 |
| kanzure | i didn't really elaborate on that | 15:17 |
| fenn | it's rapidly approaching winter | 15:18 |
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| heath | tiltbrush for oculus rift https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFWw6hGIKmc | 15:42 |
| fenn | wow i had no idea 40% of kenya's GDP was exchanged in cellphone minutes | 15:43 |
| kanzure | mpesa had a huge rapid takeoff | 15:43 |
| kanzure | i get the feeling that people have been trying to make it happen in other countries but haven't been as successful? not sure. | 15:44 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-Pesa | 15:45 |
| gnusha | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=eec5d7ce fenn: fix typos and obvious transcription errors >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/andreas-antonopolous-canada-senate-bitcoin/ | 15:53 |
| fenn | This meeting is concluded. Everyone get out. | 15:57 |
| drethelin | no u | 16:04 |
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| kanzure | he said it the same way at the previous one too http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/412/banc/51608-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=41&Ses=2&comm_id=3 | 16:17 |
| kanzure | "This meeting is concluded." (then dead silence) | 16:17 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 17:02 |
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| kanzure | "That's sad. Maybe you should flip this on your head. Go out and touch people. "If I had ebola I would have infected you just now. You should give money at A Day Without Touch to help Doctors Without Borders stop the outbreak."" | 17:07 |
| nmz787_i1 | hmm, I wonder if that synthesis group was one that went on to rais e500k | 17:08 |
| kanzure | what was the total number of groups | 17:08 |
| nmz787_i1 | no idea | 17:10 |
| kanzure | easy to stalk: | 17:10 |
| nmz787_i1 | but we know the muffri wans't one of the 500k raisers (they raised 2m) | 17:10 |
| kanzure | 1) check angel.co 2) check crunchbase 3) check linkedin 4) eliminate the ones that aren't still doing the things that they were doing during the incubator's program's period | 17:10 |
| kanzure | afineur, benthc labs, hyasynthbio, kilobaser, revbio, muufri | 17:13 |
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| kanzure | hi xenmen | 17:55 |
| xenmen | Hiya kanzure | 17:55 |
| kjskjskjs | kanzure: what do you want to eliminate them from? | 17:56 |
| kjskjskjs | hi krazra | 17:56 |
| xenmen | (Come across any interesting automated agriculture news lately?) | 17:56 |
| kjskjskjs | some friends of mine are doing an automated indoor grow controller thing | 17:57 |
| kjskjskjs | a little arduino-based controller for people legally growing their own pot | 17:58 |
| xenmen | a horto domi fork? or all novel | 17:58 |
| kjskjskjs | their own design I think | 17:59 |
| kjskjskjs | certainly their own code | 17:59 |
| kjskjskjs | I wrote an immediate-mode menu system for it because I thought that storing the menu entries in RAM was both verbose/clumsy and a waste of resources | 18:00 |
| xenmen | good on them, automate all the labour | 18:00 |
| kjskjskjs | but they ended up not using it because they already had it working the clumsy way | 18:00 |
| xenmen | they don't plan to touch it up later? | 18:01 |
| kjskjskjs | we'll see | 18:02 |
| xenmen | eh, I guess if the marginal power savings are small enough, they figure they don't need to care | 18:02 |
| xenmen | and if there's other things they're doing then it may be the right approach | 18:02 |
| kjskjskjs | yeah, I don't think they're worried about the Arduino next to the lights | 18:02 |
| xenmen | ^yeah | 18:02 |
| kjskjskjs | I think immediate-mode is probably more flexible on the Arduino | 18:03 |
| kjskjskjs | I thought it was cool to be able to do a many-layer-deep menu system in about ten bytes of RAM | 18:03 |
| xenmen | that... *is* pretty cool | 18:03 |
| kanzure | xentrac are you just talking to yourself | 18:05 |
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| kjskjskjs | you would think, no? | 18:05 |
| kjskjskjs | but no. 'zra' ≠ 'gen' | 18:06 |
| kanzure | re: elimination, | 18:08 |
| kanzure | nmz787's question was about which company received the $500k | 18:08 |
| xenmen_ | not everybody is into the demoscene, that may affect their appreciation... | 18:08 |
| kanzure | so i suggested working backwards from known data | 18:08 |
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| kanzure | er, or forwards | 18:08 |
| kjskjskjs | oh, I see | 18:09 |
| xenmen_ | I find that ascetic sense tends to coincide with technical sense, as far as code goes | 18:09 |
| kanzure | yes there's lots of creative choice between "makes your eyes bleed" and "makes your eyes really bleed" | 18:10 |
| kjskjskjs | xenmen_: if you're interested, http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/dev3/weemenumain.cc | 18:10 |
| xenmen_ | well, alorithms designed by guys with a taste for fractals tends to be less readable in my experience :P | 18:10 |
| kanzure | single letter variable names, you fail | 18:11 |
| kjskjskjs | heh | 18:11 |
| xenmen_ | oh wow | 18:11 |
| xenmen_ | well, it's a small file | 18:11 |
| kjskjskjs | I don't know if that was about weemenumain or about fractal guys but it is equally applicable :) | 18:11 |
| xenmen_ | so I can appreciate only typing one char for a variable name :P | 18:11 |
| xenmen_ | three and a half pages on my screen | 18:12 |
| kjskjskjs | right, that's the user code | 18:12 |
| kjskjskjs | and the terminal interface | 18:12 |
| xenmen_ | that's about the safe limit for having single-char local variable names | 18:12 |
| kjskjskjs | the menu system itself is weemenu.h | 18:12 |
| xenmen_ | "Wee would like to play" | 18:13 |
| kjskjskjs | I think I was going to go ahead and change one of the interfaces that currently uses templates back to using inheritance | 18:13 |
| xenmen_ | hm | 18:13 |
| kanzure | ganked? | 18:13 |
| kjskjskjs | which will increase the memory cost by another six or so bytes | 18:13 |
| kjskjskjs | but would make it easier to use I think | 18:14 |
| xenmen_ | my anti-OOPsydaisy alarms are going off | 18:14 |
| xenmen_ | but if it works better 8V | 18:14 |
| kjskjskjs | heh | 18:14 |
| xenmen_ | it's code that shouldn't need much maintenance anyway :P | 18:14 |
| xenmen_ | eh, 6 bytes | 18:14 |
| kjskjskjs | so this code has a very clean separation between the menu maintenance logic, the code defining the menu, and the terminal interface | 18:15 |
| kjskjskjs | and connecting those three parts is currently done at compile-time | 18:15 |
| kjskjskjs | with templates | 18:15 |
| xenmen_ | if it's much easier to extend then yeah, might as well, if there's a chance of actually expanding it later | 18:15 |
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| kjskjskjs | but that has two costs | 18:15 |
| kjskjskjs | one is that you have to say if (m.nest("Quit")) { instead of if (nest("Quit")) { | 18:16 |
| kjskjskjs | the other is that you have to say | 18:16 |
| kjskjskjs | weemenu<my_noncurses, my_menu<weeweemenu<my_noncurses, 5> >, 5> menu; | 18:16 |
| kjskjskjs | and if you delete one of those two 5s, or change one of them to a different number, you get an incomprehensible error message | 18:16 |
| xenmen_ | "Cross Stream", "You drowned" | 18:17 |
| xenmen_ | hm | 18:17 |
| xenmen_ | is the total code base all that large? | 18:18 |
| kjskjskjs | no | 18:18 |
| xenmen_ | not too much a problem, so long as you keep a warning comment above that line | 18:18 |
| xenmen_ | or some convention for pointing out magic lines | 18:18 |
| xenmen_ | one magic line versus a pile of spaghetti, not always a bad trade | 18:19 |
| kjskjskjs | in this case it's one magic line versus increasing RAM footprint from I think 9 bytes to I think 16 bytes | 18:19 |
| kjskjskjs | another alternative is that intsead of passing in my_noncurses I could just put the my_noncurses functions into the global namespace | 18:20 |
| kjskjskjs | which is fine as long as you don't have the same program driving more than one display | 18:20 |
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| kanzure | fenn: oh you did an actual transcript | 18:23 |
| kanzure | fenn: so, thank you, but also, andreas emailed me and complained that i shouldn't have bothered because the senate will be publishing their own "official" transcript "soon". | 18:24 |
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| kanzure | .title https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/6396 | 18:28 |
| yoleaux | Forward ssh key agent into container · Issue #6396 · docker/docker · GitHub | 18:28 |
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| catern | man, windows support is gonna totally kill docker | 18:45 |
| catern | can you even do windows administration with ssh? | 18:46 |
| kanzure | sure: psexec, smbexec, winexe | 18:47 |
| kanzure | 2/3 of that list is exploits, but *shrug* | 18:47 |
| kanzure | (also it's not ssh, but you'll forgive me) | 18:49 |
| catern | OK, but windows server should just be left alone, out in the cold, to slowly die | 18:50 |
| catern | no-one should use it | 18:52 |
| catern | docker should be linux-only | 18:52 |
| catern | (i guess the BSDs can come along if they like) | 18:52 |
| kanzure | oh also remexec, forgot about that implementation.. | 18:52 |
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| kjskjskjs | kill docker? why? | 19:33 |
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| dingo | don't forget wmi | 19:44 |
| dingo | winexe is interesting in that it actually uploads a payload service, a sort of backdoor, via SMB :) | 19:45 |
| dingo | authored by a security company, go figure | 19:45 |
| kjskjskjs | "security" company | 19:47 |
| dingo | ahh maybe im wrong, i must be confusing it with another | 19:48 |
| kanzure | definitely backdoor-like | 19:49 |
| kanzure | dce/rpc is pretty interesting | 19:49 |
| kjskjskjs | "interesting"? | 19:49 |
| kjskjskjs | as a case study of the Fallacies of Distributed Computing? | 19:49 |
| kanzure | well those fallacies have allowed me to upload a backdoor thousands of times | 19:49 |
| kanzure | as dingo well knows | 19:49 |
| kanzure | dingo: how many test migrations do you think we did? just the developers | 19:50 |
| dingo | given a login and password, winexe works from windows 2003 through 2013 | 19:50 |
| dingo | all of them | 19:51 |
| dingo | 2013 had issues with the version you used, i helped port a newer version, WAF something | 19:51 |
| kanzure | so fucked up | 19:51 |
| kjskjskjs | so what can we do about that kind of thing? | 19:51 |
| kanzure | i think for <2003 it required no password | 19:51 |
| kjskjskjs | I understand that a lot of cellphones now are running seL4 | 19:51 |
| kjskjskjs | as a hypervisor over Linux | 19:52 |
| kanzure | .g sel4 | 19:52 |
| yoleaux | http://ssrg.nicta.com/projects/seL4/ | 19:52 |
| kanzure | yeah i want my phone to run more virtual machines for me | 19:52 |
| dingo | the L4 variant, microkernel | 19:52 |
| kanzure | there's an arm kvm branch of linux that should be merged into android's kernel eventually | 19:52 |
| kjskjskjs | this keeps you from owning the broadband firmware by rooting the Linux task | 19:52 |
| dingo | i think the problem is the other way around | 19:52 |
| dingo | at least from a customer standpoint | 19:53 |
| kanzure | i've been meaning to get my hands on broadband firmware... i want to poke around. | 19:53 |
| dingo | that my cellphone company can root me, not that i can root the firmware :) | 19:53 |
| kjskjskjs | customers aren't the ones installing seL4 on their phones | 19:53 |
| kjskjskjs | baseband firmware I meant | 19:53 |
| kjskjskjs | yeah, I would really like to be free from malicious baseband firmware | 19:53 |
| dingo | agreed, whichever is opensource first is my next cell | 19:53 |
| kanzure | "radio-related firmware" | 19:53 |
| dingo | until then i'll continue using an iPod with silentcircle out-of-circle access | 19:54 |
| dingo | which is free from baseband | 19:54 |
| kanzure | mozilla had some js about this for their foxphone thing? | 19:54 |
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| kjskjskjs | js? | 19:54 |
| kanzure | javascript | 19:54 |
| dingo | from my google sofar the baseband of firefox OS is closed | 19:55 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: i blame you | 19:55 |
| kjskjskjs | they wrote their own baseband firmware in JS? :) | 19:55 |
| kanzure | that's what i thought i saw, but i guess not... | 19:55 |
| dingo | ahh, competiting arguments that it won't... trying to figure it out | 19:55 |
| dingo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones "All mobile phones have proprietary baseband (GSM module) firmware." | 19:56 |
| kjskjskjs | I think baseband firmware has hard-real-time deadlines to meet, so JS is not suitable | 19:56 |
| kanzure | https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/system/gonk/ril_worker.js | 19:57 |
| dingo | its a ceperate CPU and "OS", a RTOS, typically its just forth code | 19:57 |
| kjskjskjs | forth, really? | 19:57 |
| dingo | i think we discovered the carrier IQ was in Forth | 19:57 |
| dingo | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3388127 | 19:58 |
| yoleaux | Reverse-engineered CarrierIQ code (Forth) | Hacker News | 19:58 |
| kjskjskjs | oh, the let in here reminds me | 19:58 |
| kjskjskjs | does node do things like array comprehensions yet? | 19:59 |
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| kjskjskjs | I was just thinking that it would be fun to do more stuff in JS | 19:59 |
| kanzure | coffeescript does array comprehensions :P | 20:00 |
| kjskjskjs | of course it does | 20:00 |
| kjskjskjs | implicitly at times | 20:00 |
| kjskjskjs | even when you wish it wouldn't | 20:00 |
| dingo | no final word on the code, but some talk about my biggest feare, that many baseband cpu's have unrestricted access to applicate cpu's memory, https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot12/woot12-final24.pdf | 20:00 |
| kanzure | in a file named "woot12" | 20:00 |
| dingo | some better talk in here, http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone | 20:00 |
| dingo | woot is a group | 20:00 |
| kanzure | yoinked | 20:01 |
| kjskjskjs | woot are many things | 20:01 |
| dingo | w00t security or something | 20:01 |
| dingo | oh this particular thing is just the name of the conference | 20:02 |
| dingo | https://www.usenix.org/conference/woot12 | 20:02 |
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| dingo | anyway here's a web-accessible mirror of the winexe-waf i compiled recently for win2013 support, https://github.com/opinkerfi/winexe-waf | 20:05 |
| dingo | i'm pulling out of this convo :) ttyl | 20:05 |
| kanzure | seeya | 20:06 |
| kanzure | i should really finish reading http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/VerSum:%20Verifiable%20computations%20over%20large%20public%20logs.pdf | 20:09 |
| kjskjskjs | yeah | 20:10 |
| kjskjskjs | there are so many things to learn right now | 20:10 |
| kjskjskjs | instead I am reading twitter and getting dumped by SMS | 20:10 |
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| superkuh | f you read a paper that claimed they had 4.5 cm diameter 9.8 cm in long 2uF 5kV bipolar(?) *electrolytic* capacitor that could handle 80% voltage reversals in pulse discharge duty and each only cost $10 would you call bullshit? http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1063%2F1.4808309 Could such a thing even exist (ignoring the $10 price for now)? | 20:50 |
| superkuh | +I | 20:50 |
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| kanzure | https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/wizards/2014-10-17.html | 21:57 |
| kanzure | (more bitcoin stuff) | 21:57 |
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| kanzure | lazyweb throws together toguro videos for me? for free? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmGIvZmthPM&t=27s | 23:33 |
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