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| archels | hmm, what was that short story again where human lifetimes are limitless, and we follow this one couple trying to make contact with a population at the centre of the Milky Way as their last big thing? | 00:25 |
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| ebowden | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24858680 | 01:13 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1016%2Fj.jbiotec.2014.05.005 | 01:13 |
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| bkero | paperbot will get any paper off pubmed? | 01:24 |
| bkero | Fuck yeah! | 01:24 |
| bkero | kanzure: is that like Maddox's gambit? (the infecting 4 of yours) | 01:25 |
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| FourFire | Has anyone in here seen anything about 3D printed (bipedal) exoskeletons ? | 03:39 |
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| ebowden | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22954616 | 04:29 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1177%2F0269881112458728 | 04:29 |
| ebowden | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741506 | 04:33 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1097%2FFBP.0b013e328331ba1b | 04:33 |
| ebowden | paperbot: http://journals.lww.com/behaviouralpharm/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2009&issue=10000&article=00014&type=abstract | 04:35 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1097%2FFBP.0b013e328331ba1b | 04:35 |
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| JayDugger | archels, been done in Vinge's Marooned in Realtime. | 06:49 |
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| kanzure | what | 07:16 |
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| JayDugger | archels asked "hmm, what was that short story again where human lifetimes are limitless, and we follow this one couple trying to make contact with a population at the centre of the Milky Way as their last big thing?" | 08:21 |
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| kanzure | i don't know what i was whating | 08:24 |
| drethelin | clearly you should sleep | 08:25 |
| JayDugger | Sure. First, do you know anyone who wants to work at SpaceX? We've a headhunter sniffing among my co-workers for someone who doesn't mind working 80+ hour weeks on avionics and electronics. | 08:29 |
| JayDugger | Only ex-military need apply. For some reason--probably as a filter for an inability to do arithmetic necessary to figure hours per week from the salary range and hourly wage the headhunter provides. | 08:30 |
| kanzure | rough | 08:31 |
| drethelin | maybe they want people who can keep opsec | 08:32 |
| kanzure | military ain't got a great track record there | 08:33 |
| JayDugger | Perhaps, but I prefer my theory about poor arithmetic skills better. | 08:33 |
| drethelin | depends what you compare it to, presumably | 08:33 |
| drethelin | plenty of military tech has been unknown for years before it gets declassified | 08:33 |
| JayDugger | Nobody has a good track record on that point. You don't hear about the ones that do. | 08:33 |
| kanzure | is this your way of bragging | 08:34 |
| JayDugger | (Yes, yes, biased sample vs. absence of evidence != evidence of absence.) | 08:34 |
| JayDugger | No. | 08:34 |
| kanzure | he means yes :) | 08:34 |
| JayDugger | I'd like to do something nice for the headhunter in case I need them. | 08:35 |
| kanzure | nobody comes to mind | 08:35 |
| JayDugger | Ouch. | 08:35 |
| kanzure | ex-military doesn't tend to intersect these parts | 08:35 |
| kanzure | not much, anyway | 08:35 |
| JayDugger | Both fair points. | 08:35 |
| drethelin | I know a guy in the air force | 08:36 |
| drethelin | but I doubt he's up for hire any time soon | 08:36 |
| JayDugger | Orion International's the headhunting firm. They've been around since 1975, so they might well be around for some time yet. | 08:38 |
| JayDugger | When your acquaintance separates from the service, he or she could do worse than to work with them. | 08:39 |
| fenn | if they want people with hands-on experience with space hardware who aren't from NASA or ULA, that leaves precious little besides ex-military | 08:48 |
| fenn | russians mostly | 08:50 |
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| fenn | i bet this is where the star wars "pod racer" idea came from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_Pond_Racer | 08:57 |
| fenn | (front side view) http://www.aafo.com/gallery/07-23-01.htm | 09:06 |
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| fenn | pond racer documentary (in german) http://youtube.com/watch?v=66q4awWPArM | 09:11 |
| fenn | hard to believe the damn thing flies | 09:12 |
| archels | what. fuck you | 09:13 |
| archels | that's Dutch, not German | 09:13 |
| fenn | ha sorry | 09:13 |
| fenn | i don't know either | 09:14 |
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| kanzure | .title https://coderwall.com/p/_s_xda | 09:28 |
| yoleaux | Mike Bloy : Fix SSH agent in reattached tmux session shells | 09:28 |
| kanzure | .title https://gist.github.com/martijnvermaat/8070533 | 09:28 |
| yoleaux | SSH agent forwarding and screen | 09:28 |
| DonnchaC_ | kanzure: Just reading some scrollback, have you seen IPFS? | 09:28 |
| DonnchaC_ | http://static.benet.ai/t/ipfs.pdf | 09:29 |
| kanzure | there seems to be no mention of speed of light constraints here | 09:32 |
| kanzure | this smells a little bit like dalrymple/davidad | 09:32 |
| kanzure | argh what's the point of writing any of this up if there are no statements made about how it solves interplanetary problems | 09:33 |
| DonnchaC_ | He's really not focusing on the real problems, moving data faster than the speed of light:P | 09:34 |
| kanzure | i'm not claiming that you have to move it faster than that | 09:35 |
| kanzure | but your system does have to be designed to not assume an instantly synchronous network across large time/light delays | 09:35 |
| fenn | delay tolerant networking has plenty of uses here on earth | 09:42 |
| kanzure | sure | 09:43 |
| kanzure | DonnchaC_: so what's the incentive in ipfs to store anything at all? | 09:43 |
| fenn | i dont get why this paper is called "interplanetary" | 09:43 |
| kanzure | it looks like the optimal strategy is to just serve requests by asking another peer first, and then returning the data to whoever asked you | 09:44 |
| kanzure | (instead of storing data locally) | 09:45 |
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| kanzure | haha davidad jumped ship "He works for Twitter as an engineer as of May, 2014." | 09:47 |
| fenn | :( | 09:47 |
| kanzure | so much for nemaload | 09:47 |
| kanzure | http://blog.davidad.net/post/70566989179/cryptotransactions | 09:48 |
| fenn | a worm's gotta eat | 09:48 |
| archels | hmm sounds interesting https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/7e9afeed38314e8de99a/raw/29270821c743db4a452599d35b36dcdabc90b959/gistfile1.txt | 09:53 |
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| fenn | i'm betting it looks like a dinosaur | 09:57 |
| fenn | rawr | 09:57 |
| fenn | (the brain's feature priorities in visual search) | 09:57 |
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| kanzure | fenn, i bought a stenography machine (elan cybra) | 10:04 |
| kanzure | turns out their usb protocol is proprietary | 10:04 |
| kanzure | "buy our $5000 software license to proceed" | 10:04 |
| kanzure | i was going to reverse engineer their usb protocol and dump it into plover | 10:04 |
| kanzure | instead i got sidetracked trying to reverse engineer their license serial code stuff | 10:04 |
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| fenn | protocol would be better anyway | 10:05 |
| fenn | arent those things ridiculously expensive though | 10:05 |
| drethelin | how different is a stenography machine than a regular keyboard? | 10:07 |
| drethelin | and/or how does it compare to a twiddler | 10:07 |
| kanzure | http://stenoknight.com/twotripods.jpg | 10:07 |
| fenn | it's more ergonomic than a twiddler and has less keys than a keyboard | 10:07 |
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| drethelin | that thing looks like a sinister torture device | 10:08 |
| chris_99 | anyone ever used a digital pen on a sort of related topic | 10:08 |
| kanzure | keys are backed by mechanical levers basically | 10:08 |
| fenn | what is a digital pen | 10:08 |
| drethelin | what sort of typing speed are you looking to get out of it? | 10:08 |
| chris_99 | sec | 10:08 |
| kanzure | you know, the toy from leapfrog that reads the word you highlight in your ebook | 10:08 |
| drethelin | 150+? | 10:08 |
| chris_99 | http://www.wacom.com/en/gb/creative/inkling | 10:08 |
| kanzure | drethelin: well i type 196 wpm on qwerty so i need something like 250-300 wpm to make this worth my time | 10:08 |
| drethelin | oof | 10:09 |
| drethelin | 196 is pretty impressive | 10:09 |
| kanzure | yes well i'm on lots of drugs | 10:09 |
| drethelin | I average around 100 on a laptop | 10:09 |
| drethelin | hehe | 10:09 |
| drethelin | fair enough | 10:09 |
| kanzure | http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure | 10:09 |
| drethelin | impressive | 10:10 |
| fenn | chris_99: apparently they can lose sync slightly and not pick up lots of small cross hatches | 10:10 |
| chris_99 | hmm, i only want it for writing | 10:10 |
| fenn | well you're probably fine then | 10:10 |
| drethelin | http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=drethelin | 10:10 |
| kanzure | drethelin: http://typeracer.com/ | 10:10 |
| drethelin | oh I have to import | 10:10 |
| drethelin | 105 just now | 10:12 |
| drethelin | drinking coffee but didn't sleep | 10:12 |
| drethelin | maybe I should take some modafinil and see the effect | 10:12 |
| fenn | piracetam goes better with caffeine fwiw | 10:14 |
| drethelin | yeah but I don't have that on hand | 10:14 |
| drethelin | i might have it somewhere but I'm not sure where | 10:15 |
| fenn | maybe we should research glial cell activation supplements | 10:15 |
| drethelin | I don't regularly use nootropics because I'm an unproductive slob | 10:15 |
| fenn | that doesn't make any sense | 10:15 |
| drethelin | sure it does | 10:15 |
| drethelin | if I'm gonna be spending the day lounging around and internetting what do I need nootropics for? | 10:15 |
| kanzure | uh... | 10:16 |
| fenn | so you're skipping sleep to do a half-assed job of internetting? | 10:17 |
| kanzure | besides the regular things wrong with that statement, what's wrong with using the internet plus nootropis? | 10:17 |
| kanzure | *nootropics | 10:17 |
| drethelin | no I'm skipping sleep because I'm a piece of shit | 10:17 |
| fenn | maybe you think you're a piece of shit because you skip sleep | 10:17 |
| drethelin | kanzure nothing, just the increased benefits are not necesarrily worth the effort involved | 10:17 |
| drethelin | I like internetting on modafinl | 10:17 |
| drethelin | when I was using piracetam I didn't subjectively notice much difference | 10:18 |
| fenn | it primarily affects word recall and reduces caffeine-induced error | 10:19 |
| fenn | most people don't notice any subjective difference, especially without knowing what to look for | 10:21 |
| kanzure | well this is neat https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/tree/master/examples/consul | 10:21 |
| drethelin | that's fair | 10:21 |
| fenn | anyway i suggest reevaluating your logic | 10:22 |
| drethelin | what part do you see the error in? | 10:22 |
| fenn | "no point in trying to improve myself because i'm unproductive" | 10:23 |
| drethelin | insofar as I'm doing things with no measurable output, I can only improve in terms of subjective experience | 10:24 |
| drethelin | so if piracetam has no noticeable difference but makes me make like | 10:24 |
| drethelin | 10 percent fewer typos | 10:24 |
| drethelin | it doesn't seem worth the effort to take the pills | 10:24 |
| fenn | measure something different then | 10:25 |
| drethelin | why? | 10:26 |
| kanzure | are you depressed? | 10:26 |
| drethelin | I don't think so | 10:26 |
| drethelin | just unambitious | 10:26 |
| fenn | i'm not saying piracetam is the answer to all your problems. it sounds like you have low self esteem and motivation and are stuck in an unstimulating environment | 10:28 |
| drethelin | nah I'm pretty great | 10:28 |
| drethelin | I do have pretty low motivation | 10:28 |
| drethelin | but when I say unproductive I'm not using it in an entirely derogatory manner | 10:28 |
| drethelin | eg I view reading fiction books as unproductive | 10:28 |
| drethelin | but I wouldn't call it unstimulating | 10:29 |
| fenn | here's a differential diagnosis technique; drink a can of diet soda (with nutrasweet/aspartame) on an empty stomach and see if you feel more excited about stuff in general | 10:29 |
| drethelin | if I reframe it as living a life of leisure maybe it will be more clear to you | 10:29 |
| drethelin | hmm | 10:29 |
| drethelin | I just had a whole butter coffee | 10:29 |
| drethelin | does sucralose work? | 10:30 |
| drethelin | I have a can of whipcream next to me with sucralose | 10:30 |
| fenn | no. aspartame is converted to dopamine, and other stuff | 10:30 |
| fenn | sucralose is just imitation sugar | 10:30 |
| drethelin | huh, didn't know that | 10:31 |
| fenn | it should take about an hour | 10:32 |
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| drethelin | I might do it later | 10:33 |
| drethelin | I don't want another soda's worth of caffeine right this second | 10:33 |
| fenn | if you are low on sleep it may just make you extremely irritable | 10:33 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: so I was grepping the logs for freecad, but didn't check the surrounding lines... but it seems you have been using it. Does that mean you were working on the backend (I saw you said you didn't want to support opencascade) | 10:33 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: what have you been working on for the nurbs intersection stuff? | 10:34 |
| drethelin | I'm definitely low on sleep | 10:35 |
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| fenn | join us next time on IRC MD | 10:39 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: seen this? .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suv90ahXa5s&feature=plcp | 10:39 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 10:39 |
| yoleaux | Transitioning from NURBS to T-Splines - YouTube | 10:39 |
| archels | T-splines stuff is all closed source/proprietary afaik | 10:45 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: http://verbnurbs.com/ | 10:47 |
| kanzure | i also have a python implementation called lolcad that i haven't git pushed in a long, long time, but at the moment verbnurbs is more featureful | 10:47 |
| kanzure | if you really /must/ use freecad then the only way worth using is https://github.com/dcowden/cadquery | 10:48 |
| archels | can that do anything that OpenNURBS cannot? | 10:48 |
| kanzure | yes, it has tests | 10:49 |
| archels | or is that just Atwood's law in action | 10:49 |
| archels | what sort of test--intersections? | 10:49 |
| kanzure | every feature is correctly tested | 10:49 |
| kanzure | opennurbs does not distribute tests | 10:49 |
| kanzure | so it makes it rather hard to maintain | 10:49 |
| nmz787_i | is opennurbs in opencascade? | 10:50 |
| kanzure | no | 10:50 |
| kanzure | opennurbs is from the rhino cad people | 10:50 |
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| kanzure | brlcad uses opennurbs | 10:51 |
| kanzure | but python-brlcad can't expose opennurbs because opennurbs is c++, whereas python-brlcad is only a ctypes-based wrapper (for c parts)... | 10:52 |
| archels | nurbs++ has a subdirectory called 'tests' | 10:53 |
| archels | never really checked it out though | 10:53 |
| nmz787_i | hrmm | 10:53 |
| nmz787_i | so verb doesn't have an interactive curve editor GUI does it? | 10:53 |
| kanzure | no | 10:53 |
| kanzure | that guy is using it on a proprietary cad site he's been working on | 10:54 |
| kanzure | i don't remember the name of his web cad app thingy | 10:54 |
| nmz787_i | I'd want an editor GUI, then I'd need some way to slice the model and convert slices into a beam raster format | 10:54 |
| nmz787_i | python isn't necessary I guess, but that is likely what I would use to convert a slice to a beam raster file | 10:55 |
| kanzure | your gui requirement already radically increases development time and requirements | 10:56 |
| kanzure | you might as well just use freecad and save every 5 seconds (because it crashes a bunch) | 10:56 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: do any of these do NURBs to surface tesselation? like if you don't give many control points, some kind of iterative/recursive smoothing? | 10:57 |
| kanzure | without your gui requirement i would say the whole thing would be 10-30x easier | 10:57 |
| kanzure | all of them do tessellation for nurbs rendering | 10:57 |
| nmz787_i | but then I'd be left to develop my own GUI | 10:57 |
| nmz787_i | well I guess I want to know if the chunky/blocky examples on verbnurbs.com could be smoothed with something already existing in the NURBS definition/implementation | 10:58 |
| nmz787_i | 'calculateMoreSmoothness' | 10:58 |
| nmz787_i | or something | 10:58 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: also without the GUI, wouldn't I have to tweak some NURBS values, display, tweak then display, tweak then display... so isn't that basically a GUI? | 11:00 |
| kanzure | who knows, i'm not prepared to guess what your expectations are | 11:03 |
| nmz787_i | what would you propose for non-gui model development? | 11:04 |
| kanzure | cadquery is pretty nice, but it fails when you use numbers between 0.47 and 0.5 | 11:08 |
| kjskjskjs | fenn: nice gears! | 11:09 |
| kjskjskjs | jrayhawk_: sorry I missed you | 11:09 |
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| kanzure | blah https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/issues/451 | 11:40 |
| kanzure | "Valid point and is needed at times, i.e. for organisations that need to have completely separated accounts for Ops live/staging." | 11:41 |
| kanzure | in other words, people are running production and staging and other environments using the same credentials? | 11:41 |
| drethelin | assuming you don't get injured, is it better to lift a heavier weight fewer times or the other way around? | 11:45 |
| drethelin | I can't remember | 11:45 |
| drethelin | but my phone just reminded me to exercise | 11:45 |
| kanzure | steroids. | 11:45 |
| kanzure | less risk of physical injury | 11:45 |
| drethelin | don't those still require exercise? | 11:46 |
| kanzure | no | 11:46 |
| drethelin | plus they have emotional side effects | 11:46 |
| kanzure | yawn | 11:46 |
| drethelin | those seem obnoxious | 11:46 |
| kanzure | there's a lot of disinformation about steroids | 11:46 |
| drethelin | then again that could just be a stereotype | 11:46 |
| drethelin | yeah | 11:46 |
| drethelin | like cocaine myths compared to reasonable use | 11:46 |
| drethelin | and marijuana propaganda | 11:47 |
| drethelin | anyway | 11:47 |
| drethelin | I don't have steroids here right now | 11:47 |
| drethelin | but I do have weighs | 11:47 |
| Viper168 | dunno, I have seen roid rage a the least | 11:47 |
| Viper168 | dude beat up his girlfriend, as well as choked out another friend | 11:48 |
| kanzure | what's the difference between roid rage and normal rage | 11:48 |
| drethelin | I think it's a little hard to anecdotally distinguish roid rage from strong hypermasculinity | 11:48 |
| Viper168 | normally wasn't that kind of person | 11:48 |
| Viper168 | kanzure, normal rage is caused by incidents that tend to call for it more | 11:48 |
| Viper168 | roid rage it's stupid bullshit a lot of the time, and escalates quickly | 11:48 |
| kanzure | those damn dirty drug users | 11:49 |
| kanzure | someone should declare a war against drugs or something | 11:49 |
| Viper168 | *is | 11:49 |
| Viper168 | irritability increases | 11:49 |
| Viper168 | and self control can't keep up | 11:49 |
| kanzure | that also sounds like bullshit | 11:50 |
| kanzure | why can't i have roid rage and perfect self control? | 11:50 |
| drethelin | you probably can if you mix your drugs right | 11:50 |
| kanzure | huh? | 11:50 |
| Viper168 | maybe if you are already equipped with ridiculous self control | 11:50 |
| Viper168 | but most people aren't | 11:50 |
| kanzure | no i mean, if i am choking you, maybe it's because i want to be choking you | 11:50 |
| kanzure | that's self-control | 11:50 |
| Viper168 | kanzure, maybe it's because your hormones and shit are whacked out | 11:50 |
| kanzure | so what? | 11:51 |
| Viper168 | caused by steroids | 11:51 |
| Viper168 | this guy I know would have never resorted to violence so quickly | 11:51 |
| Viper168 | it turned him inot a piece of shit | 11:51 |
| Viper168 | *into | 11:51 |
| Viper168 | I don't talk to him anymore because of it | 11:51 |
| Viper168 | no one in our group does | 11:51 |
| kanzure | so it's completely impossible for this person to have changed his opinions about violence | 11:51 |
| kanzure | maybe you're just a bad friend? | 11:52 |
| Viper168 | or it's the fact that he's on roids, and it started when he started them | 11:52 |
| kanzure | your reasoning is flawless | 11:52 |
| Viper168 | pretty clear connection to the behavior | 11:52 |
| Viper168 | he stopped for a while and we started having him around for a while | 11:52 |
| kanzure | i would be pretty enraged if i was subjected to this bullshit line of reasoning | 11:52 |
| Viper168 | but then all of a sudden he starts acting like a prick again and sure enough we find out he's back on them | 11:53 |
| Viper168 | right, it's bullshit to assume the one new thing he started doing is responsible for the drastic change in personality, especially when they are known for causing it | 11:54 |
| drethelin | I think kanzure is just trollin you | 11:54 |
| drethelin | or maybe he's roid raging at you | 11:54 |
| kanzure | no, i am not trolling Viper168 | 11:55 |
| Viper168 | yeah might as well be | 11:55 |
| Viper168 | both shitty behavior | 11:55 |
| kanzure | yeah fuck rage, and anyone who experiences it | 11:55 |
| kanzure | bunch of idiots huh | 11:55 |
| Viper168 | I've dealt with plenty of rage, natural rage | 11:55 |
| Viper168 | this was a distinct change in personality | 11:55 |
| kanzure | so what? | 11:56 |
| Viper168 | not just getting pissed off | 11:56 |
| Viper168 | it ruined him as a person | 11:56 |
| drethelin | kanzure, are you trying to argue that being somewhat angrier is a fine trade-off, or that it's a mythical symptom that doesn't actually exist | 11:56 |
| Viper168 | is what | 11:56 |
| Viper168 | I lost a friend because of it is what | 11:56 |
| Viper168 | because we couldn;t afford to be around him anymore, aside from the dickishness | 11:56 |
| kanzure | drethelin: i think that Viper168 is full of shit, and he would have dropped his friend regardless of steroids or not | 11:57 |
| Viper168 | starts choking people out because of a stupid disagreement | 11:57 |
| Viper168 | something he never would have done before | 11:57 |
| kanzure | drethelin: there's nothing wrong with dropping a friend, everyone does it eventually | 11:57 |
| Viper168 | kanzure, if he started acting like a violent douchebag without roids, then yes I would | 11:57 |
| drethelin | kanzure: ignoring this specific example, do you think roid rage is a thing | 11:57 |
| Viper168 | but he didn't turn into one without, it was once he started them that he changed | 11:58 |
| kanzure | well, i definitely believe that roid rage is a term that people know about | 11:58 |
| kanzure | i also believe that steroids can impact behavior, but i don't think this is important | 11:58 |
| Viper168 | plus that little window hwere he was off them and was ok | 11:58 |
| Viper168 | until he started getting smaller and decided to go back to them | 11:58 |
| Viper168 | kanzure, well form the kind of attitudes I've seen form you that doesn;t surprise me | 11:59 |
| Viper168 | *from | 11:59 |
| kanzure | why would it matter whether it was steroids or alcohol or whatever. who cares? | 11:59 |
| drethelin | me? | 12:00 |
| drethelin | I care? | 12:00 |
| Viper168 | I have a friend becoming a dick from drinking his ass off constantly too, and a similar response on my part is coming if he doesn;t shape up | 12:00 |
| Viper168 | both are bad | 12:00 |
| drethelin | like I don't give a shit why some random guy gets angry | 12:00 |
| drethelin | but if I take steroids and get really angry | 12:00 |
| drethelin | that will be bad | 12:00 |
| drethelin | so it's important to know whether that'[s a real thing | 12:00 |
| kanzure | also, isn't the real problem violence, and not anger | 12:01 |
| drethelin | to an extent yes | 12:01 |
| drethelin | but subjectively, feeling angry is usually unpleasant | 12:02 |
| drethelin | whether or not I'm violent | 12:02 |
| Viper168 | kanzure, when that violence is caused by uncontrollable anger from steroid use, then no you can;t divorce them | 12:02 |
| kanzure | cpopell2: are any of the anabolic steroids addictive? | 12:03 |
| drethelin | I guess we'll never know | 12:12 |
| drethelin | anyway I did some squats with a kettlebell | 12:12 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure did at one point seem to ask a question more like "do 'roids reduce self-control" | 12:13 |
| nmz787_i | which it seems that most likely they do have some impact on | 12:13 |
| kanzure | self-control is underspecified anyway | 12:14 |
| drethelin | do people on steroids eat the marshmallow or do they wait for two marshmallows | 12:14 |
| kanzure | screw that, go out and buy some | 12:16 |
| nmz787_i | there's also likely some social taboo/ herd mentality crap going on too though, where the public concept of 'roids being bad impacts the users' self-image in a negative way... leading to impact in a negative way on the emotional state | 12:16 |
| drethelin | yeah social context is super important | 12:16 |
| drethelin | people in different countries react differently to alcohol based on how they are expected to | 12:16 |
| drethelin | and I imagein the same could apply to steroids | 12:17 |
| nmz787_i | so that society is says 'roids are bad makes the user more sensitive to negative comments on their behavior, making them pissed as a result | 12:17 |
| drethelin | that too | 12:17 |
| drethelin | kanzure if I could grab them from the corner store I probably would | 12:17 |
| drethelin | but I'm fairly lazy | 12:17 |
| drethelin | I would have to look for an online retailer | 12:17 |
| nmz787_i | marshmallows and/or 'roids? | 12:17 |
| drethelin | hmm I guess I'm not sure what kanzure meant by go out and by some | 12:18 |
| kanzure | marshmallows | 12:18 |
| drethelin | I assumed he was encouraging me to engage in a relatively low risk experiment | 12:18 |
| drethelin | instead of relying on hearsay about steroids | 12:18 |
| nmz787_i | this is the kind of bio experiment outsourcing bitcoin needs to enable | 12:19 |
| kanzure | marshmallows should be easy to access | 12:20 |
| kanzure | i'm just saying, if you're being put through some experiment about one or two or something, it's easier to just go buy your own | 12:20 |
| nmz787_i | find two ppl in countries where they have marshmallows and steroids, but in which only one country finds it socially acceptable (or lacks the concept of finding them unacceptable) | 12:20 |
| drethelin | I was just referencing the classic self control experiment | 12:21 |
| kanzure | and i was citing a snarky way to corrupt the experiment's results | 12:21 |
| nmz787_i | this looks like it is the code defining the verbnurbs.com background model http://verbnurbs.com/js/verb-index.js | 12:22 |
| nmz787_i | but not what actually get's the model to the screen | 12:23 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: the verbnurbs guy is with AutoDesk | 12:25 |
| nmz787_i | https://www.linkedin.com/in/ptrbyr | 12:25 |
| kanzure | "on screen" well that's webgl and canvases | 12:26 |
| kanzure | anyway i wouldn't recommend modifying control points by hand | 12:27 |
| kanzure | instead just define some primitives, like a half-circle based on known control points and knobs or w/e | 12:27 |
| kanzure | and then build shapes from those primitives | 12:27 |
| nmz787_i | is this his project using verb that you mentioned? http://floodeditor.com/ | 12:28 |
| kanzure | iirc verbnurbs does not have surface-surface intersection yet but this might have changed recently | 12:28 |
| kanzure | yes | 12:28 |
| kanzure | he added curve-surface but no surface-surface yet https://github.com/pboyer/verb | 12:29 |
| nmz787_i | oh, this is on github too https://github.com/pboyer/flood | 12:29 |
| kanzure | here's a recent change.... https://github.com/pboyer/verb/commit/d642d08c3ae7162c111008cd3ccafad08f42d17d | 12:29 |
| nmz787_i | so i guess it is separate from autodesk somehow | 12:29 |
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| kanzure | well it's a wildly different implementation | 12:31 |
| nmz787_i | i'd assume such a company would want any IP generated by employees that is similar in any way to their core IP | 12:37 |
| kanzure | autodesk did not write their own cad kernel, actually | 12:38 |
| kanzure | they licensed the acis kernel | 12:39 |
| fenn | kjskjskjs: lcamtuf has an incredibly well done guide to resin casting of gears and robot parts, if you haven't seen it: http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/rstory/ http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/gcnc/ and also some cycloid gear stuff http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/cycloid/ | 12:42 |
| fenn | .title | 12:43 |
| yoleaux | cycloidal transmission | 12:43 |
| fenn | hm | 12:44 |
| fenn | "Guerrilla guide to CNC machining, mold making, and resin casting" | 12:44 |
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| kanzure | evidence that aliens are real https://github.com/whatupdave/blockway/blob/master/tf/main.tf | 12:51 |
| kanzure | terraform is pretty neat | 12:51 |
| kjskjskjs | fenn: yes, I like it a lot | 13:07 |
| kjskjskjs | although it looks like he has added new stuff to it | 13:07 |
| kjskjskjs | so thank you very much :) | 13:13 |
| jrayhawk_ | the opportunity might arise again | 13:15 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: let me know if flood works at all or wut | 13:17 |
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| nmz787_i | kanzure: might try later this week... idk how long setup will take since I've not worked with node.js before | 13:21 |
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| kanzure | .wik weevil | 13:38 |
| yoleaux | "A weevil is a type of beetle from the Curculionoidea superfamily. They are usually small, less than 6 millimetres (0.24 in), and herbivorous. There are over 60,000 species in several families, mostly in the family Curculionidae (the true weevils)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weevil | 13:38 |
| kanzure | just for the name | 13:38 |
| kjskjskjs | my weevil strategy is freezers and PET bottles | 13:50 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/rsi/84/10/10.1063/1.4827079 | 13:53 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Note%3A%20Repetitive%20operation%20of%20the%20capacitor%20bank%20of%20the%20low-voltage%20miniature%20plasma%20focus%20at%2050%20Hz.txt | 13:53 |
| superkuh | paperbot: http://scitation.aip.org/deliver/fulltext/aip/journal/rsi/84/10/1.4827079.pdf | 13:54 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Delivery%20Error.txt | 13:55 |
| nmz787_i | superkuh: i emailed the cap company, have you done the same? any response? | 14:00 |
| superkuh | I didn't. | 14:00 |
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| kanzure | he was so disappointed that he /quit | 14:08 |
| superkuh | The caps in question were almost certainly from a custom batch. There is no way I could afford a custom batch. The author of the journal articles saying they were $10 was probably disingenuous in some way. I can hardly trust someone who calls all capacitors "electrolytic capacitors". | 14:18 |
| kjskjskjs | jrayhawk_: did you get any answers about memristors? | 14:20 |
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| kjskjskjs | superkuh: have you asked the author? | 14:21 |
| superkuh | Yes. | 14:21 |
| kjskjskjs | it would be an easy mistake to make that any capacitor in a big round metal can is an electrolytic capacitor | 14:21 |
| superkuh | Yeah. The blue fooled me for a while. | 14:21 |
| superkuh | But you don't use electrolytics in that type of circuit. | 14:22 |
| kjskjskjs | Because it needs to be AC? | 14:22 |
| kjskjskjs | I haven't read the paper actually | 14:22 |
| jrayhawk_ | I didn't really have any questions. | 14:23 |
| kjskjskjs | so feel free to tell me RTFOP | 14:23 |
| kjskjskjs | jrayhawk_: aw. that's too bad. some people posted some in here. | 14:23 |
| superkuh | High voltage reversal during the ringing down of the the pulse discharge. | 14:23 |
| superkuh | So, yeah, AC. | 14:24 |
| kjskjskjs | Right. | 14:24 |
| jrayhawk_ | I saw fenn being snarky, but that didn't seem worth passing on | 14:24 |
| fenn | i expect the PI didn't build the machine and has a low opinion of people who know how to build things | 14:27 |
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| kanzure | jrayhawk_: do you have any ideas for a situation where there's a bunch of git submodules, but you might have those repos otherwise checked out on your system, and you would like symlinks while still letting the git-repo-with-the-submodules control checkouts correctly? | 14:33 |
| kanzure | oh, you can symlink into the submodules, rather than from the submodule's folder/path | 14:34 |
| kanzure | which will preserve the parent repo's ability to control checkouts/working directories/whatever | 14:35 |
| jrayhawk_ | local clone operations link by default, but that's not quite optimal | 14:35 |
| jrayhawk_ | /usr/share/doc/git/contrib/workdir/git-new-workdir | 14:35 |
| kanzure | but git operations in the symlinked one wont work because there's no .git in there. hmm. i'm not sure if this is bad though. | 14:36 |
| jrayhawk_ | git-new-workdir symlinks stuff within .git to do the maximally efficient thing | 14:36 |
| jrayhawk_ | while still allowing e.g. independent merge operations | 14:36 |
| kanzure | huh. | 14:37 |
| kanzure | that looks close. at least topical. | 14:37 |
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| nmz787_i | this site won't stop pausing/freezing in the middle of a song | 15:02 |
| nmz787_i | https://bleep.com/release/53848-aphex-twin-syro | 15:02 |
| kanzure | these guys have been stalking me http://www.decentralbank.com/whitepaper | 15:03 |
| kanzure | (i can stalk back, yo) | 15:03 |
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| drethelin | why are they stalking you | 15:07 |
| nmz787_i | luckily their URL naming scheme is incremental | 15:09 |
| kanzure | drethelin: linkedin, so i assume because they want a programmer | 15:10 |
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| nmz787_i | chris_99: idk if you might ever use wxPython, but I modified some code to display an opencv video stream in wxPython, and added some nifty ROI cropping stuff (shades areas outside the area to-be-cropped as you click-drag with mouse) http://stackoverflow.com/a/26457671/253127 | 15:37 |
| chris_99 | cool, i was looking at opencv recently and their face recognition stuff | 15:37 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: I remember you posting that receipt scanner when I happened upon it myself a few weeks ago | 15:39 |
| nmz787_i | i'll be playing with integrating this into the GUI this week https://github.com/Itseez/opencv/blob/master/samples/python2/find_obj.py | 15:39 |
| chris_99 | cool | 15:40 |
| chris_99 | i found this recently https://github.com/apresta/tagger | 15:42 |
| chris_99 | which works pretty well, at tagging docs | 15:42 |
| kanzure | hm. | 15:43 |
| kanzure | run it against this channel's logs | 15:43 |
| chris_99 | heh good idea | 15:44 |
| chris_99 | i'm working on making something that logs my computer usage (keypresses, websites visited etc) and infers stuff from them hopefully, so i wanted to use that with parts of it | 15:45 |
| dingo | hey i'll use that tagger module | 15:45 |
| ParahSailin_ | PHP implements its arbitrary size arithmetic in C. However, it doesn’t have a BigInt data type, so its arbitrary size numerical functions take and return strings. | 15:46 |
| dingo | my bbs messaing system uses tagging, i'll use it on that, thanks chris_99 | 15:46 |
| chris_99 | cool | 15:46 |
| kanzure | for bookmark tagging https://github.com/davidlazar/jotmuch | 15:46 |
| chris_99 | intriguing | 15:47 |
| kanzure | $ ./jot count | 15:53 |
| kanzure | 1659 | 15:53 |
| nmz787_i | $ ls / | 15:54 |
| kanzure | bin | 15:54 |
| nmz787_i | oh | 15:54 |
| nmz787_i | but it wasn't a bot that replied | 15:55 |
| fenn | Read error: device not found | 15:55 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_SoJUWoaYI | 16:10 |
| yoleaux | Kajis - 60 Million Years (Original Mix) - YouTube | 16:10 |
| kanzure | haha, | 16:15 |
| kanzure | .title http://motherboard.vice.com/read/i-waited-five-months-for-my-soylent-and-now-i-cant-get-rid-of-it?trk_source=popular | 16:15 |
| yoleaux | The secondary market for Soylent on Craigslist and Ebay | Motherboard | 16:15 |
| kjskjskjs | ParahSailin_: sweet. we should do that in shell | 16:22 |
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| nmz787_i | http://www.amazon.com/SystemSure-Plus-Luminometer/dp/B004BXG10A# | 16:29 |
| nmz787_i | 'Perfect tool for rapid assessment of ATP levels with ATP hygiene monitoring system' | 16:29 |
| nmz787_i | $1300 | 16:29 |
| kanzure | hygiene? | 16:30 |
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| kanzure | any guesses to whether or not scp to a remote server with a non-root user would be able to place a file in a regular /etc somewhere | 16:34 |
| kanzure | ugh looks like my provision-stuff will have to copy them from an intermediate location | 16:35 |
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| kjskjskjs | : user@debian:~; find /etc -type d -perm -002 -ls 2>/dev/null | 16:35 |
| kjskjskjs | : user@debian:~; | 16:35 |
| fenn | cannot touch ‘/etc/foo’: Permission denied | 16:35 |
| kjskjskjs | no | 16:35 |
| kanzure | is it roomy in there inside that head you two? | 16:36 |
| fenn | i am feeling very confused today | 16:36 |
| fenn | reading postmodernist structuralist discourse theory isnt helping | 16:36 |
| kanzure | computational aether is just compensating for heat dissipation issues | 16:36 |
| kjskjskjs | fenn: who, Foucault? | 16:37 |
| kjskjskjs | I guess he's post-structuralist | 16:37 |
| fenn | please, don't | 16:37 |
| kanzure | hah | 16:37 |
| kanzure | airbnb for fenn's headspace | 16:38 |
| kanzure | banned by the state of new york, at least twice | 16:38 |
| kanzure | banned by the state and city of new york, at least twice | 16:39 |
| fenn | redundant redundancy for everyone everyone | 16:39 |
| fenn | shack up in someone else's head for a day, take a load off | 16:39 |
| kanzure | funny thing is kjskjskjs was trying to start a feminism discussion with me earlier | 16:40 |
| kjskjskjs | actually I think you started it | 16:40 |
| kanzure | (and i escaped) | 16:40 |
| kanzure | no way | 16:40 |
| kjskjskjs | I was just trying to answer your question | 16:40 |
| kanzure | well that wasn't my intention | 16:40 |
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| kanzure | http://venturebeat.com/2014/10/20/ranked-all-32-billion-dollar-mobile-internet-start-ups-report/ | 17:33 |
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| pasky | so twitter is still a startup? until when? | 18:05 |
| kanzure | until they stop growing | 18:05 |
| drethelin | startup is such an odd category | 18:07 |
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| kjskjskjs | Twitter is still a startup? | 19:24 |
| kjskjskjs | no they're not | 19:25 |
| kjskjskjs | I could maybe see calling them a startup until they're profitable | 19:25 |
| kjskjskjs | but that happened six months ago | 19:25 |
| kanzure | startups can be profitable | 19:26 |
| kjskjskjs | yes, but they stop being startups | 19:26 |
| kanzure | i use this definition often http://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html | 19:26 |
| kjskjskjs | Twitter also isn't growing at 3% or 5% per week! | 19:27 |
| kanzure | "if you were once growing at that rate for more than a year then you are a startup and will probably continue to be called a startup" | 19:27 |
| kjskjskjs | that's nonsense | 19:28 |
| kanzure | probably | 19:28 |
| kjskjskjs | the page doesn't even say that | 19:28 |
| kanzure | oh, i didn't mean to imply that, sorry | 19:30 |
| kanzure | but yes usually when i quote some text after dropping a link, i mean it came from the link | 19:30 |
| kanzure | so you're not wrong to think it should have | 19:30 |
| kjskjskjs | :) | 19:30 |
| kjskjskjs | I was like "I don't remember Paul saying that" | 19:30 |
| kjskjskjs | and ^F and nope! | 19:30 |
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| kanzure | "The IRS says the costs of developing computer so closely resembles research and experimental expenses that it warrants similar accounting treatment. As a result, a taxpayer may use any of the following three methods for costs paid or incurred in developing software for a particular project, either for the taxpayer’s own use, or to be held by the taxpayer for sale or lease to others: (1) The costs may be consistently treated as current ... | 20:02 |
| kanzure | ... expenses and deducted in full. (2) The costs may be consistently treated as capital expenses that are amortized ratably over 60 months from the date of completion of the software development. (3) The costs may be consistently treated as capital expenses and amortized ratably over 36 months from the date the software is placed in service. Under this method, the cost may also be eligible for a bonus first-year depreciation allowance." | 20:02 |
| kjskjskjs | "developing computer"? | 20:02 |
| kjskjskjs | should that be "developing computer software"? | 20:02 |
| kanzure | i think so, but i don't know if the quote was verbatim | 20:02 |
| kjskjskjs | I understand that certain antibiotics can help if you develop computer after initial exposure | 20:03 |
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| kjskjskjs | those sound like reasonable approaches except for the "from the date of completion" idea | 20:03 |
| kjskjskjs | presumably they don't let you use option #2 if the software was already placed in service? | 20:04 |
| kanzure | backdating is often allowed for various things | 20:05 |
| kjskjskjs | right, but that only helps you if you want to lower your book value | 20:06 |
| kjskjskjs | which you can do more effectively by taking door #1 | 20:06 |
| kanzure | i feel like there's a tax monster behind all of these doors and there's no great option | 20:07 |
| kjskjskjs | if instead you want to raise your book value (say, because you would like to avoid turning your net positive cash flow this year into a taxable profit) then #2 would seem to allow you to do so indefinitely | 20:07 |
| kanzure | it's too bad that the irs has been taking a negative view on open source software lately as a charitable enterprise | 20:07 |
| kanzure | although i wouldn't mind taking a tax break on all this software i write | 20:07 |
| kjskjskjs | yeah | 20:08 |
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| kanzure | .to sheena http://imgur.com/a/8DfqE | 22:15 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: I'll pass your message to sheena. | 22:15 |
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| nmz787 | .to sheena why not just use a small plate? | 22:33 |
| yoleaux | nmz787: I'll pass your message to sheena. | 22:33 |
| nmz787 | .to chris_99 http://www.reddit.com/r/opencv/ has some good links, been reading through SIFT and a few others on here http://aishack.in/category/computer-vision/ | 22:34 |
| yoleaux | nmz787: I'll pass your message to chris_99. | 22:34 |
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| nmz787 | paperbot: ttp://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v12/n11/full/nrd4068.html | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | paperbot: http://www.nature.com/nrd/journal/v12/n11/full/nrd4068.html | 23:55 |
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