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| kanzure | oof | 07:35 |
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| kanzure | where did cluckj go? | 08:00 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/ftdi-driver-kills-fake-ftdi-ft232/msg536298/#msg536298 | 08:01 |
| yoleaux | FTDI driver kills fake FTDI FT232?? - Page 38 | 08:01 |
| kanzure | followup https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8503625 | 08:02 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 08:18 |
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| kanzure | fenn: yes i think your criticism from yesterday is correct regarding the separate values. i can't see a way to fix that, so i'll drop that idea. | 09:25 |
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| kanzure | here's something ancient: opml 1.0 spec http://dev.opml.org/spec1.html | 09:33 |
| dingo | hmm all this for outlines | 09:39 |
| kanzure | opml turned into an rss aggregation bookmark format | 09:39 |
| dingo | when i was in gradeschool outlines were a new big idea | 09:39 |
| dingo | before rough drafting you would have to outline a paper | 09:40 |
| kanzure | hmm i need this merged i think https://github.com/hashicorp/terraform/pull/232 | 09:42 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/scipr-lab/libsnark | 09:54 |
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| sheena | nmz787_i: playing with tesseract and it sucks.. am i missing something? | 10:06 |
| sheena | m puppy mm! mm m haw- m p,“ .y M, m b you Lullr wilh cam and mm wuum‘ m m u | 10:06 |
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| chris_99 | tesseract worked well for me iirc | 10:12 |
| chris_99 | you may have set up the characters it looks for wrongly | 10:13 |
| chris_99 | or something | 10:13 |
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| kanzure | sheena: also, what version of tesseract is it? | 10:14 |
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| nmz787_i | sheena: what file format is it using now? | 10:15 |
| sheena | 3.something | 10:15 |
| sheena | tiff | 10:15 |
| sheena | im wondering if image quality is a big issue | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | i was doing PDFs reliably | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | which were just images | 10:16 |
| sheena | cause its coming from video, so while human readable, it may not be pixel readable? | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | try switching to PNG | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | I can't remember which worked better | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | (the answer is in this channel's logs, but I can't grep them now) | 10:16 |
| nmz787_i | should be around august 27 | 10:17 |
| nmz787_i | here it is http://gnusha.org/logs/2014-08-17.log | 10:18 |
| nmz787_i | "21:38 * nmz787 found that tesseract like's tiff much much more than png" | 10:19 |
| nmz787_i | "21:41 < kanzure> and approximately how much better 21:41 < nmz787> infinitely better" | 10:19 |
| chris_99 | it shouldn't be that bad though, should it, regardless of the img format | 10:19 |
| nmz787_i | it was for me that day | 10:19 |
| chris_99 | oh weird | 10:19 |
| nmz787_i | like not working at all, to working great | 10:19 |
| chris_99 | wonder why that is | 10:20 |
| nmz787_i | i presume it was some compression artifact, or if not, just a broken file parser | 10:20 |
| chris_99 | mmm | 10:20 |
| nmz787_i | (since I thought they were uncompressed png) | 10:20 |
| chris_99 | don't suppose anyones used libnss per chance? | 10:21 |
| sheena | so if tiff is correct... do i assume my video frames are of inadequate quality? | 10:22 |
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| chris_99 | what image did you use btw, i can test it out 'ere if you want, as i should setup tesseract anyway | 10:22 |
| sheena | you want a sample image to play with? | 10:24 |
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| chris_99 | have you got the one that did "m puppy mm! mm.... | 10:26 |
| sheena | http://imgur.com/yVG6fAx | 10:27 |
| sheena | let me know if you want it directly or something | 10:27 |
| sheena | appears to be no difference between png and tiff | 10:28 |
| chris_99 | i'll have a play and see how well it goes, cheers | 10:28 |
| sheena | ty | 10:29 |
| nmz787_i | sheena: looks like maybe a bit too far zoomed out, and also might not help that the pages aren't as flat as they could be | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | i bet the fact the page is bent doesn't help though | 10:30 |
| nmz787_i | also lighting is not even | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | ideally you should use a scanner i guess | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | and push it down | 10:30 |
| nmz787_i | you could try thresholding the image first | 10:30 |
| nmz787_i | also cropping out the non-text areas | 10:30 |
| nmz787_i | sheena: ROI section here http://docs.opencv.org/trunk/doc/py_tutorials/py_core/py_basic_ops/py_basic_ops.html | 10:31 |
| sheena | scanning isnt a realistic option. woudl rather just video and crop without OCR if needed. | 10:31 |
| sheena | roi? | 10:31 |
| JayDugger | You also might get better results by placing a white or black piece of heavy paper behind the page you photograph. | 10:31 |
| nmz787_i | region of interest | 10:31 |
| sheena | yeah, i would set it up with a tripod and do it against a wall with shady sun i think, for "real" | 10:32 |
| nmz787_i | sheena: http://opencvpython.blogspot.com/2012/06/fast-array-manipulation-in-numpy.html | 10:33 |
| nmz787_i | err | 10:33 |
| nmz787_i | http://opencvpython.blogspot.com/2013/05/thresholding.html | 10:33 |
| JayDugger | Project Naptha's tesseract option gives pretty poor OCR results. | 10:34 |
| nmz787_i | you can also do simpler thresholding with slicing notation | 10:34 |
| nmz787_i | d = numpy.array([1,2,3,4,5,6,7]) | 10:35 |
| nmz787_i | d[d>4] | 10:35 |
| nmz787_i | array([5, 6, 7]) | 10:35 |
| nmz787_i | so d[d>4]=0 yields array([1, 2, 3, 4, 0, 0, 0]) | 10:35 |
| JayDugger | Excuse me, on that test image, Project Naptha's tesseract option gave pretty poor (unusable) OCR results. | 10:35 |
| nmz787_i | i thought tesseract was a google project | 10:36 |
| nmz787_i | this is what I used sheena https://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/ | 10:36 |
| sheena | th2 = cv2.adaptiveThreshold(img,255,cv2.ADAPTIVE_THRESH_MEAN_C,\ cv2.THRESH_BINARY,11,2) | 10:36 |
| sheena | this looks like what i need? | 10:36 |
| nmz787_i | adaptive could work well for those sun streaks | 10:36 |
| nmz787_i | seems dumb that that blog is using matplotlib to show images | 10:37 |
| sheena | i just took tesseract from the repos.. | 10:37 |
| sheena | tesseract 3.03, leptonica-1.70, libgif 4.1.6(?) : libjpeg 8d : libpng 1.2.50 : libtiff 4.0.3 : zlib 1.2.8 : webp 0.4.0 | 10:37 |
| nmz787_i | https://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/wiki/ReadMe | 10:38 |
| nmz787_i | "Tesseract is available directly from many Linux distributions. The package is generally called 'tesseract' or 'tesseract-ocr'" | 10:38 |
| nmz787_i | have you been using tesseract on the command prompt? | 10:38 |
| nmz787_i | sheena: anyway I'd use the cv2.imshow method for displaying an image over matplotlib for testing http://docs.opencv.org/trunk/doc/py_tutorials/py_gui/py_image_display/py_image_display.html#py-display-image | 10:39 |
| chris_99 | i get pretty much the same kind of result sheena | 10:39 |
| nmz787_i | hmm, I wonder if there's a server online that has a web interface to opencv... like some iPython notebook or something | 10:41 |
| sheena | OpenCV Error: Assertion failed (src.type() == CV_8UC1) in adaptiveThreshold, file /build/buildd/opencv-2.4.8+dfsg1/modules/imgproc/src/thresh.cpp, line 796 Traceback (most recent call last): File "videotoimage.py", line 16, in <module> cv2.THRESH_BINARY,11,2) cv2.error: /build/buildd/opencv-2.4.8+dfsg1/modules/imgproc/src/thresh.cpp:796: error: (-215) src.type() == CV_8UC1 in function adaptiveThreshold | 10:41 |
| sheena | nmz787_i: yes on command prompt. | 10:41 |
| nmz787_i | sheena: most likely you need to convert color spaces | 10:42 |
| nmz787_i | CV_8UC1 is a colorspace macro/variable name | 10:42 |
| sheena | nmz787_i: i dont understand.. do i need to add code? | 10:42 |
| nmz787_i | so you need to conver the image to it first so it passes src.type() == CV_8UC1 | 10:42 |
| sheena | ... how? | 10:44 |
| nmz787_i | probably something like image = cv2.cvtColor(img,cv2.COLOR_BGR2GRAY) | 10:44 |
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| nmz787_i | or possibly new_frame = np.array(frameRoi , dtype = np.uint8) | 10:45 |
| nmz787_i | or possibly image = cv2.cvtColor(img,cv2.COLOR_RGB2GRAY) | 10:45 |
| nmz787_i | (note BGR vs RGB) | 10:45 |
| sheena | might need to crop first for it to work better.. | 10:46 |
| nmz787_i | you will def need a grey image to do thresholding I think | 10:46 |
| sheena | it wowrked | 10:46 |
| sheena | i mean | 10:46 |
| nmz787_i | nice | 10:46 |
| sheena | the code ran successfully | 10:46 |
| sheena | and the images are thresholded somehow | 10:46 |
| sheena | im trying to use a cropped image to see if it makes a difference, and getting this error: img = cv2.cvtColor(img,cv2.COLOR_BGR2GRAY) cv2.error: /build/buildd/opencv-2.4.8+dfsg1/modules/imgproc/src/color.cpp:3737: error: (-215) scn == 3 || scn == 4 in function cvtColor | 10:50 |
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| sheena | how is it differetnfromthe one i was doing inside the video-to-image code? | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | are you cropping wrong? | 10:51 |
| sheena | lol i dunno | 10:51 |
| sheena | im using a GUI (gimp) | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | try displaying the image | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | ? | 10:51 |
| sheena | just wanted to see if it made a difference teothe thresholding | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | oh | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | i meant to crop in opencv | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | but ok | 10:51 |
| sheena | i know | 10:51 |
| nmz787_i | gimp should work | 10:51 |
| sheena | but i just wanted to see if iti will work? | 10:52 |
| sheena | but the code... is missing something? | 10:52 |
| sheena | about cvtColor? | 10:52 |
| nmz787_i | is it not a color image when you export from gimp? | 10:52 |
| sheena | yeah, should it not be? | 10:53 |
| nmz787_i | well you're telling opencv to convert a color image to grey... so if it is already grey then it isn't color and doesn't know what to do? | 10:54 |
| nmz787_i | i guess | 10:54 |
| sheena | when i take that line out | 10:54 |
| sheena | File "imageconverttest.py", line 7, in <module> cv2.imwrite('frame_%d.png' % i, to_file) NameError: name 'i' is not defined | 10:54 |
| sheena | i get that | 10:54 |
| sheena | i is for the file writing stuff? | 10:54 |
| sheena | oh | 10:54 |
| sheena | i=0 | 10:54 |
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| nmz787_i | that is just a python string formatting thing for inserting the image number into the file name | 10:55 |
| sheena | yeah | 10:55 |
| sheena | i got it | 10:55 |
| nmz787_i | you could take it out and replace %d with whatever hardcoded text | 10:55 |
| nmz787_i | it would be easier for you to just cv2.imshow(img) though | 10:56 |
| nmz787_i | oh | 10:56 |
| nmz787_i | maybe not | 10:56 |
| nmz787_i | since you need to give it to tesseract | 10:56 |
| sheena | doesnt seem to be any difference with the cropped vs uncroopped to my eye | 10:56 |
| sheena | tesseract runnign tnow | 10:56 |
| sheena | naw, no better | 10:57 |
| nmz787_i | after thresholding? | 10:58 |
| sheena | ok. imgoing to do two things. im going to try a higher quality video (better set up, now that i know the stripping-still-images part works) and play with the editing stuff in opencv. i will come back when i have more things to ask :) gotta go feed the sheep now, tho!! | 10:58 |
| sheena | right, no better after thresholding, for tesseract | 10:58 |
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| nmz787_i | sheena: you may be able to increase the video resolution with opencv | 10:58 |
| sheena | oooh i will check that too. ty | 10:59 |
| nmz787_i | i.e. VideoCapture cap(0); cap.set(CV_CAP_PROP_FRAME_WIDTH, 640); cap.set(CV_CAP_PROP_FRAME_HEIGHT, 360); | 10:59 |
| chris_99 | http://vbridge.co.uk/2012/11/05/how-we-tuned-tesseract-to-perform-as-well-as-a-commercial-ocr-package/ | 10:59 |
| chris_99 | may be of interest | 10:59 |
| sheena | thanks again :) | 10:59 |
| JayDugger | nmz787_i, how does opencv increase video resolution? | 10:59 |
| nmz787_i | JayDugger: it depends if the camera supports it | 11:00 |
| nmz787_i | v4l feature on linux at least | 11:01 |
| JayDugger | So it does that by controlling the hardware, and not by processing an existing image? | 11:01 |
| nmz787_i | i believe so | 11:02 |
| JayDugger | Got it. Thank you. | 11:03 |
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| kanzure | aws documentation is so weird, "Blah, blah, blah. Please note that the preceding 12 paragraphs do not apply since 2008, or if you are using VPC in nodocs mode." | 11:34 |
| nmz787_i | fenn: http://nbviewer.ipython.org/github/thsant/scipy4cv/blob/master/09._Structure_from_motion.ipynb | 11:47 |
| justanotheruser | RIP "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" | 11:54 |
| nmz787_i | huh, I haven't seen this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkxTgOZ3ons&feature=youtu.be | 12:03 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 12:03 |
| yoleaux | Springfield's Most Wanted (1995) - YouTube | 12:03 |
| dingo | kanzure: see this? https://github.com/schematics/schematics | 12:04 |
| dingo | i think you can cancel Modelo :) | 12:10 |
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| nmz787_i | so it converts a dict to a clasS? | 12:12 |
| nmz787_i | i would have called it dict_2_class_validator | 12:13 |
| nmz787_i | who would have thought expensive software docs would suck | 12:15 |
| nmz787_i | as i recall, stallman was pissed about a printer driver lacking source/API... but this has API with horrible docs :/ | 12:16 |
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| kanzure | dingo: isn't that the thing i showed you the other day :p | 12:42 |
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| seba- | hey! | 12:43 |
| seba- | :) | 12:43 |
| seba- | kanzure, lets develop an ebola cure | 12:43 |
| kanzure | okay, you go find some ebola samples and report back to me ok? | 12:46 |
| seba- | kanzure, no really :D i've set up a page, www.ebola.si | 12:47 |
| seba- | lol | 12:47 |
| dingo | kanzure: you showed me https://github.com/schematics/schemalchemy not schematics/schemtaics :) | 12:52 |
| dingo | NOW i understand haha | 12:53 |
| kanzure | seba-: i am also being serious | 12:57 |
| kanzure | dingo: heh | 12:57 |
| seba- | kanzure, oh ok, well we have a connection with a spanish guy, which has a BSL4 lab and play with ebola | 12:57 |
| seba- | *plays | 12:57 |
| nmz787_i | heh, I found some ayurvedic ebola prevention site recently | 13:00 |
| nmz787_i | you could get him to test that | 13:00 |
| kanzure | what does "have a connection" mean | 13:00 |
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| seba- | kanzure, hm, a professor which i work with, was with this guy on a postdoc and we wrote already a mail and he replied that when we'll have something he can see what he can do :-) it's not much, but it's a start | 13:07 |
| seba- | we just started a week ago | 13:07 |
| nmz787_i | so I haven't kept up on ebola news, why is it more interesting to work on than a more widespread disease? | 13:09 |
| nmz787_i | isn't there like 30 million more cases of flu or something compared to ebola cases since ebola was discovered | 13:10 |
| seba- | nmz787_i, because ebola is going up exponentially | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | flu: "Worldwide, these annual epidemics are estimated to result in about 3 to 5 million cases of severe illness, and about 250 000 to 500 000 deaths." | 13:11 |
| nmz787_i | ebola is like 3000 cases EVER | 13:11 |
| seba- | nmz787_i, just in this outbreak there are 10k cases | 13:11 |
| seba- | and it's going up exponentially | 13:11 |
| dingo | plus white people are being affected lately | 13:12 |
| dingo | thats huge news | 13:12 |
| seba- | well it's the first time ever that ebola hit an urban area | 13:12 |
| seba- | previously it was just in rural areas and as such it was easily contained | 13:12 |
| nmz787_i | you mean Lagos? | 13:12 |
| seba- | lagos was a very minor outbreak | 13:13 |
| seba- | monrovia, conarky and freetown | 13:13 |
| seba- | lagos had just one case that it wasn't known it was ebola from day 0 | 13:13 |
| seba- | and it spread to 19 others in the end | 13:14 |
| seba- | :) | 13:14 |
| seba- | but he arrived in the hospital with advanced symptoms | 13:14 |
| seba- | not just fever hehe | 13:14 |
| seba- | we were very lucky insofar | 13:15 |
| nmz787_i | i wonder if govts are slow to do anything other than defend against infection in hopes they reduce military offensives | 13:16 |
| seba- | nmz787_i, no idea, but i decided to do something ! :-) | 13:17 |
| seba- | i'm trying now to expand haha | 13:18 |
| seba- | currently it's just me and two professors, but i'm trying now to persuade a few more students, i think i'm being successful with 3 others | 13:19 |
| seba- | lol | 13:19 |
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| nmz787_i | paperbot: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1962.tb54121.x/pdf | 14:09 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/206338e15e860f93156b5a1836ed5a02.txt | 14:09 |
| nmz787_i | paperbot: http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1962.tb54121.x | 14:11 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/fc9d978dec3cddd1157a09bc6bbba1fc.txt | 14:12 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/NullHypothesis/exitmap "exitmap is a fast and extensible Python-based scanner for Tor exit relays. Modules implement tasks which are then run over all exit relays or a subset thereof. If you have a background in functional programming, think of exitmap as a map() interface for Tor exit relays. In practice, exitmap is useful to monitor the reliability and trustworthiness of exit relays." | 15:33 |
| Qfwfq | Malicious binary patching exit relays detected via exitmap: http://www.leviathansecurity.com/blog/the-case-of-the-modified-binaries/ | 15:41 |
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| kanzure | python-based transparent proxy https://github.com/NullHypothesis/obfsproxy | 15:44 |
| Qfwfq | Open-access papers on internet censorship: http://www.cs.kau.se/philwint/censorbib/ | 15:46 |
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| kanzure | hehe china apparently refuses to block s3 https://petsymposium.org/2014/papers/paper_68.pdf | 15:52 |
| Qfwfq | "unwilling to annoy regular users" "blocks Facebook" | 15:54 |
| nmz787_i | I really hate google. | 15:55 |
| nmz787_i | search engine at least | 15:55 |
| nmz787_i | when is someone going to write a better engine? | 15:55 |
| nmz787_i | it won't search python "+=" method | 15:55 |
| nmz787_i | even though they're double qoutes | 15:55 |
| nmz787_i | can someone please recomend a search engine with API like from the 90s? | 15:56 |
| nmz787_i | even duckduckgo won't find the += | 15:56 |
| kanzure | github search | 15:56 |
| nmz787_i | ugh | 15:56 |
| nmz787_i | what is that | 15:56 |
| Qfwfq | Might be more efficient to search the Python documentation directly. | 15:56 |
| Qfwfq | GitHub's search works great for usage examples. | 15:57 |
| nmz787_i | no | 15:57 |
| nmz787_i | this is a google search engine problem that I seem to run into hard about every two or three months | 15:57 |
| Qfwfq | I'm not sure why it's hard to search for operators or keywords in programming. | 15:57 |
| nmz787_i | I used to be able to search specific strings on the internet | 15:57 |
| kanzure | because nobody wants to run actual regular expressions against an entire search index | 15:57 |
| nmz787_i | 'back in the day' | 15:57 |
| kanzure | *wants to pay the costs for | 15:58 |
| nmz787_i | well why isn't there a paid google search then that works? | 15:58 |
| nmz787_i | no one even had blogs with alternative search engines listed the last time I checked | 15:59 |
| nmz787_i | altavista redirects to yahoo, which doesn't work | 15:59 |
| nmz787_i | why don't you make a paid version kanzure? | 16:01 |
| nmz787_i | I will sign up when it is ready ;) | 16:01 |
| fenn | google code search did regex but i think its long dead | 16:05 |
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| fenn | and it only searched codevreoos | 16:06 |
| fenn | repos | 16:06 |
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| fenn | it really wouldnt be that hard for google to build an alterbnate index that respects punctuation, but theres no incentive for them to do so | 16:09 |
| kanzure | i wonder how much money they need per additional character of index they allow | 16:10 |
| fenn | and they have a culture that is hostile to user customization/preferences | 16:11 |
| kanzure | i suspect that any company that focuses on paid search will tend to be overrun by enterprise customers with extremely large budgets | 16:11 |
| kanzure | and then less time or resources to spend on smaller customers that just want to pay $10/mo for fucking code search | 16:12 |
| fenn | it takes a lot of resources to spider the web | 16:12 |
| kanzure | certainly | 16:12 |
| fenn | commoncrawl may help get such a project off the ground | 16:13 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure search is a wise thing to be spending time on like that | 16:13 |
| fenn | past a certain point of unreliability it makes sense to build your own infrastructure/tools | 16:14 |
| fenn | otherwise we would all still be using cvs and dos | 16:15 |
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| jackybgood | paperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00726-011-0902-6 | 16:20 |
| paperbot | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/c76badb74167f42a494ae227d5f5d89c.txt | 16:20 |
| jackybgood | paperbot http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21505826 | 16:23 |
| paperbot | http://libgen.org/scimag/get.php?doi=10.1007%2Fs00726-011-0902-6 | 16:23 |
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| kanzure | fenn: search infrastructure is *big* and expensive | 16:28 |
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| kanzure | fenn: so, pretty bad example | 16:28 |
| nmz787_i | if something happened to google, search would not be very advanced from an open-source perspective | 16:31 |
| dingo | kanzure: i didn't get very far with pip-accel today: https://github.com/paylogic/pip-accel/issues/34 | 16:42 |
| dingo | where it did work, it did work as fast as advertised, though | 16:43 |
| kanzure | that's disappointing | 16:45 |
| kanzure | this is a strange one... http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/Deleting%20secret%20data%20with%20public%20verifiability.pdf | 16:45 |
| fenn | is that about destroying coins | 16:46 |
| fenn | kanzure nmz why not distributed search? works well enough for finding torrents | 16:50 |
| fenn | given a hash | 16:51 |
| justanotheruser | the introduction of that paper is something I had no idea of | 16:52 |
| justanotheruser | I thought if I had enough passes, there was basically no way to determine whether a bit was a 0 or a 1 without a really really low probability guess | 16:53 |
| justanotheruser | 50% + really really low probability I should say | 16:53 |
| kanzure | lots of storage devices and file systems make that not quite what you think | 16:54 |
| kanzure | like, you are not always writing at the exact address you think you are | 16:54 |
| kanzure | you might be writing at some address but it's "mapped" to who the fuck knows :/ | 16:54 |
| kanzure | (and the mapping may have changed) | 16:54 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: It isn't safe to assume that on a 1tb drive that overwriting 1tb will write to entire disk? | 16:55 |
| kanzure | fenn: no it's actually not really about bitcoin, but i put it in there because it was cheaper than me figuring out a better place. | 16:55 |
| justanotheruser | The only reason that I can see that wouldn't be true is if a 1tb disk was actually a >1tb disk | 16:55 |
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| kanzure | fenn: making something distributed doesn't make it cheaper | 16:57 |
| kanzure | (well, not always) | 16:57 |
| fenn | but it makes it easier to make big, both from a social and technical perspective | 16:59 |
| kanzure | i would rather spend cycles figuring out how to perma-solve paper access | 16:59 |
| kanzure | s/access/storage | 16:59 |
| fenn | seems like a similar problem to me | 17:00 |
| fenn | any opinion on that 300gb set of book torrents? | 17:01 |
| kanzure | i didn't look at content | 17:01 |
| fenn | how big is all teh paperzz anyway | 17:02 |
| kanzure | but i have the same opinion as i do any other torrent.. seeders ain't gonna seed multiple terabytes of books. they just wont. especially if they are incurring legal risk. | 17:02 |
| kanzure | i estimate all papers to be <50 TB at this point | 17:02 |
| kanzure | estmate 50 million papers at 1 MB/paper average | 17:02 |
| fenn | i got the impresdion they were just using torrents as the data backend for volunteer hosts | 17:03 |
| fenn | thats a lot of TB | 17:04 |
| fenn | full length book in ascii is only 1MB | 17:06 |
| kanzure | a bunch of the get-rich-quick altcoin scammers have been trying to propose a proof-of-storage scheme where you get paid for storing data | 17:06 |
| kanzure | except all of their proposals are unable to actually verify storage or whatever | 17:06 |
| fenn | compressed | 17:06 |
| kanzure | (check a hash doesn't work because you can just relay a request to another node) | 17:06 |
| fenn | can you salt individual copies | 17:07 |
| kanzure | well in the case of a decentralized system, salting wont work because you can store the salt and just retrieve the real one later when being interrogated, and apply your salt | 17:08 |
| kanzure | *retrieve the real one later by relaying the request to a peer node | 17:08 |
| kanzure | but also, i dunno if payment is what's required to make people store large quantities of papers | 17:09 |
| fenn | but what if the copies are all encrypted with the salt inside | 17:09 |
| kanzure | who has the keys? | 17:09 |
| fenn | whoevet is storing the data | 17:10 |
| kanzure | .title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310323.0 | 17:10 |
| yoleaux | Proof of Storage to make distributed resource consumption costly. | 17:10 |
| fenn | nvm its too much work to verify my scheme | 17:11 |
| fenn | youd need to download, decrypt, salt, encrypt, hash each block | 17:12 |
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| fenn | just to verify | 17:12 |
| fenn | my internet is broken atm | 17:13 |
| kanzure | hrm i have lost a link to a thing i am remembering | 17:13 |
| fenn | i am using more code ovrr smoke signal and pigeon | 17:14 |
| fenn | jot | 17:14 |
| fenn | why would wlan0 disappear | 17:15 |
| fenn | rmmod modprobe doesnt help | 17:15 |
| kanzure | bittorrent doesn't really rely on people proving they have files | 17:16 |
| kanzure | because keeping the file and seeding it is cheaper than not? or is it just altruism | 17:16 |
| kanzure | altruism is the only explanation i can think of because otherwise i can't explain the disappearance of most seeds | 17:16 |
| fenn | bt is a transfer protocol | 17:17 |
| fenn | do seeds last longer on private trackers? | 17:18 |
| fenn | where there is an incntive for uploading | 17:18 |
| kanzure | there's some incentives regarding uh.. some rating metric that i forget the name of. | 17:19 |
| fenn | karma | 17:19 |
| fenn | or just upload download ratio | 17:19 |
| kanzure | those ratios are used to compute... things. somewhere. | 17:19 |
| fenn | many clients upload block otals to the tracker which figure into its decision on which peer to refer you to | 17:20 |
| fenn | i think | 17:21 |
| kanzure | and i assume a private tracker community will kick you out if you suck too much | 17:21 |
| fenn | old warez pools wouldnt let you download until you had uploaded something others had dwnloaded | 17:22 |
| fenn | i haveng used private bt trackrrs | 17:23 |
| kanzure | is this your natural typo rate | 17:23 |
| fenn | haven't | 17:23 |
| fenn | no its the pigeons, they dont like smoke | 17:24 |
| kanzure | maybe storage isn't the problem (although it sure feels like it) | 17:25 |
| fenn | 50TB is a big problem | 17:26 |
| kanzure | btw i wasn't estimating supplementary docs, which are often anywhere from 1 page to 200 pages plus videos or something | 17:27 |
| fenn | meh | 17:27 |
| kanzure | realistically a complete archive of a repeatable scientific experiment can be many hundreds of gigs per project. this is obviously out of scope. | 17:27 |
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| fenn | is it me or have abstracts been getting bigger | 17:28 |
| kanzure | depends on the journal | 17:28 |
| kanzure | or field | 17:28 |
| fenn | what about seeding individual journals like nature or phys review letters | 17:30 |
| kanzure | great way to get targeted and caught | 17:31 |
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| fenn | how is it better to have a larger cross section of publishers wrt getting caught | 17:32 |
| nmz787_i | we look more like researchers? | 17:32 |
| fenn | now you are vulnerable to 500 publishers | 17:32 |
| kanzure | well it depends on how it's being hosted | 17:33 |
| nmz787_i | 'oh, crap, my files are publically available!!!' | 17:33 |
| kanzure | publical | 17:33 |
| nmz787_i | 'i had no idea, i'm a dumb biologist' | 17:33 |
| kanzure | why is 50 TB still a problem anyway | 17:34 |
| fenn | heh the only takediwn request i ever got was actually like that | 17:34 |
| kanzure | isn't this 2014? | 17:34 |
| nmz787_i | that's like 50 *$99 today | 17:34 |
| fenn | i dont see any 50TB drives | 17:34 |
| nmz787_i | or less | 17:34 |
| fenn | no redundancy. hard to distribute | 17:35 |
| fenn | i think number is too big an estimate anyway | 17:36 |
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| fenn | all papers before year 2000 is a reasonable goal too | 17:36 |
| fenn | " the millennial science ark" | 17:37 |
| kanzure | "strategic science reserve" | 17:37 |
| fenn | the papers went in two by two | 17:37 |
| fenn | the flying spaghetti monster warned me of a great flood | 17:38 |
| kanzure | aren't libraries supposed to be protected or something | 17:39 |
| kanzure | i mean legally speaking | 17:39 |
| kanzure | "of course a library has a copy, are you an idiot?" | 17:39 |
| fenn | ffs i shouldnt have to be the one to do this | 17:39 |
| fenn | libraries have whatever they have, until it turns out that they don't | 17:39 |
| kanzure | yeah but nobody seems particularly angry that libraries distribute copies to their patrons | 17:40 |
| fenn | yes it is strange | 17:40 |
| kanzure | welcome to the future where you have to be a radical to operate a functional library | 17:41 |
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| streety | aren't there provisions in whatever law covers copyright that permits a certain level of copying at libraries? | 17:41 |
| fenn | its all right there in rainbows end | 17:41 |
| fenn | cult of militant librarians | 17:41 |
| kanzure | a library is incompatible with copyright | 17:42 |
| fenn | streety not linraries but you can copy a chapter to hand out to a class | 17:42 |
| fenn | educational exemption | 17:43 |
| kanzure | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_library#Copyright_and_licensing | 17:43 |
| * fenn reads on local copy of wikipedia | 17:45 | |
| kanzure | "This act provides an exemption for nonprofit libraries and archives which allows up to three copies to be made, one of which may be digital. This may not be made public or distributed on the web, however. Further, it allows libraries and archives to copy a work if its format becomes obsolete.[25]" | 17:45 |
| fenn | on | 17:46 |
| fenn | one digital copy? | 17:46 |
| kanzure | yep.. better delete the one on the hard drive if you load it in ram by acciddent. | 17:47 |
| fenn | o noes i loadedd it into my brain | 17:47 |
| fenn | better xor it | 17:48 |
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| kanzure | there's not even a commercial library, really | 17:56 |
| kanzure | where paying $10/mo gets you access to everything. hrm. | 17:56 |
| kanzure | instead of paying licensing fees for renting content, a commercial library should use all of its income for legal defense | 17:56 |
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| fenn | if they lose they haave to pay damages proportional to " lost revenue" which is a made up large number | 17:58 |
| kanzure | i wonder what the largest lawsuit against a library has been | 17:58 |
| kanzure | there was that google books lawsuit that got dismissed eventually | 17:58 |
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| fenn | none because ghey always roll over | 17:59 |
| fenn | sidechain paper is well written | 18:09 |
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| kanzure | fenn: gmaxwell (one of the authors) was one of the pre-aaronsw people who did the jstor torrent dump | 18:21 |
| fenn | interesting. what happened to said dump? | 18:22 |
| kanzure | https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6554331 | 18:23 |
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| justanotheruser | is libgen legal to seed in the US? | 18:27 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 18:37 |
| kanzure | so one possible fix to the "just ask a peer for the actual file" problem might be something like, | 18:37 |
| kanzure | get the network to generate and agree on some random number | 18:38 |
| kanzure | and then this random number determines who to interrogate or which papers to check in their archive | 18:38 |
| kanzure | such that their peers can be informed not to retrieve those papers unless they are the ones being audited? | 18:38 |
| kanzure | with sufficiently advanced notice you can just pre-fetch whatever you need to pass an audit | 18:38 |
| kanzure | and if it's deterministic then you can just predict way ahead of time what you will be needing to prefech or which answers you'll have to provide | 18:39 |
| kanzure | there's really no way to confirm that two differently salted copies aren't stored on the same disk.... | 18:41 |
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| kjskjskjs | hi | 19:38 |
| Amorah | hi | 19:38 |
| kjskjskjs | so I just 3-D printed a cycloidal transmission with this RepRap | 19:38 |
| kjskjskjs | which went pretty fast | 19:38 |
| Amorah | nice | 19:39 |
| kjskjskjs | but the dimensions are slightly off | 19:39 |
| Amorah | my motherboard wont boot | 19:39 |
| kjskjskjs | why not? | 19:39 |
| Amorah | im not sure what happened | 19:39 |
| Amorah | the screen when completely white | 19:39 |
| Amorah | and locked | 19:39 |
| Amorah | so i turned it off | 19:39 |
| Amorah | and now it wont turn on at all not even power to fans; nothing nada | 19:39 |
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| kjskjskjs | I think all the perimeters on this transmission are squished out a little bit, like by 100 or 150 microns or so | 19:40 |
| kjskjskjs | I would like to erode the shapes by 100 microns before printing it again but I am not sure how to do that | 19:40 |
| kjskjskjs | I thought Meshlab would have an erosion or Minkowski difference operation but no | 19:41 |
| kjskjskjs | Amorah: is this an ATX power supply | 19:41 |
| kjskjskjs | ? | 19:41 |
| kjskjskjs | and motherboard | 19:41 |
| Amorah | nah | 19:41 |
| kjskjskjs | or is it a laptop | 19:41 |
| Amorah | its a desktop | 19:41 |
| Amorah | i7-4790k | 19:41 |
| Amorah | z97 gaming 5 | 19:41 |
| Amorah | i reseated the water cooler on it perfectly too | 19:42 |
| Amorah | infact i got a 5c drop diff because i was idling at 35-45c | 19:42 |
| kjskjskjs | even the power supply fans don't turn on? | 19:42 |
| Amorah | and went to 25-28c | 19:42 |
| Amorah | ya not even those; :( | 19:42 |
| Amorah | i did the paperclip trick | 19:42 |
| Amorah | so its not the PSU | 19:42 |
| Amorah | i breadboarded it | 19:42 |
| Amorah | <----geek | 19:43 |
| kjskjskjs | bummer | 19:43 |
| Amorah | but why the screen just goes white and now it wont pwoer on? | 19:43 |
| Amorah | i mean the thing was omg it was perfect!! i spent an hour detailing its angles and everything sooo just omg | 19:43 |
| kjskjskjs | I don't know | 19:44 |
| Amorah | its all brand new too | 19:44 |
| kjskjskjs | I mean it sounds like what would happen if the PSU went bad | 19:44 |
| Amorah | yeah but its a corsair 750m | 19:45 |
| kjskjskjs | which is most likely to happen when it's brand new | 19:45 |
| Amorah | i could start someones truck with that thing | 19:45 |
| kjskjskjs | maybe try it with a different PSU | 19:45 |
| kjskjskjs | heh, trucks are a whole nother ballgame | 19:45 |
| Amorah | i used the old 600w for that | 19:45 |
| Amorah | and still null | 19:45 |
| kjskjskjs | so it's the mobo | 19:45 |
| Amorah | yeah but i checked every little thing | 19:45 |
| Amorah | no burnt spots | 19:45 |
| Amorah | no bent pins | 19:46 |
| Amorah | no bent anything in Cpu socket | 19:46 |
| Amorah | positive of that | 19:46 |
| Amorah | doublechecked with magnifying glass xD | 19:46 |
| kjskjskjs | :) | 19:46 |
| Amorah | i know its not the thermalpaste | 19:46 |
| Amorah | because i apply mine as a pea in the middle and about the mass of two rice grains | 19:47 |
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| Amorah | i know the problem happened right after reseating the brackets in the back of the CPU | 19:47 |
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| Amorah | but i used rubber washers so wtf? | 19:47 |
| kjskjskjs | it's probably not your fault | 19:48 |
| Amorah | and the thermal paste is IC diamond 24carat | 19:48 |
| Amorah | i bought it 4 days ago at microcenter | 19:48 |
| Amorah | it was on resale | 19:48 |
| Amorah | and its audio was sorta buggin out | 19:48 |
| Amorah | maybe the person took it back because they knew | 19:48 |
| Amorah | that it was ready to crap out | 19:48 |
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| Amorah | but they will ask if i overclocked; and i really didnt. i put all my voltages low and disabled power saving | 19:49 |
| Amorah | 1.17 is what i put it at | 19:49 |
| Amorah | no reason not to boot | 19:49 |
| Amorah | as it idles at 1.1 | 19:49 |
| Amorah | 1.12* | 19:49 |
| Amorah | a bricked bios wouldnt do this would it? | 19:50 |
| Amorah | im still on google hammering searching :( | 19:50 |
| Amorah | i ran to freenode hoping someone had some experience | 19:50 |
| kjskjskjs | I don't think a bricked bios would do that, no | 19:50 |
| kjskjskjs | but I don't have much experience | 19:51 |
| kjskjskjs | I kind of hate system administration | 19:51 |
| Amorah | lol thats what they call it eh? | 19:52 |
| Amorah | i just finished building 3 pc's and now i get to working on my own and omfg. pulling my hair out | 19:52 |
| kjskjskjs | yeah | 19:59 |
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| kjskjskjs | if it's brand new maybe you can return it | 19:59 |
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| Amorah | yeah i guess i will try that on monday when i have a ride;until then i dont have my pc | 20:02 |
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| kjskjskjs | it's probably not your fault | 20:44 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/tree/master/bootloader | 20:54 |
| kjskjskjs | fair tresore | 20:56 |
| kjskjskjs | unto a king! | 20:57 |
| kanzure | .... go on... | 20:57 |
| kjskjskjs | Ich am y-hote Escalibore! | 20:57 |
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| kanzure | hmph | 21:54 |
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| nmz787 | sheena: how are the sheep? do you have any other animals? | 22:56 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, so I just found a position doing test automation @ an industrial internet company | 22:57 |
| yoleaux | 15 Oct 2014 20:43Z <nmz787_i> delinquentme: I'd expect the salinity to stay pretty constant or increase even, since salt continues to pour out of the glands, but evap removes water | 22:57 |
| yoleaux | 15 Oct 2014 20:43Z <nmz787_i> delinquentme: and yep impedance spectroscopy is what I meant | 22:57 |
| delinquentme | BIG company as well | 22:57 |
| delinquentme | holy shit ! is this new functionality ?? | 22:57 |
| delinquentme | yoleaux, you are awesome ! | 22:57 |
| fenn | no just bot abuse | 22:57 |
| kanzure | test automation means writing unit tests all day long | 22:57 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: use .tell personsname your message | 22:58 |
| * fenn grumbles about memoserv | 22:58 | |
| kanzure | sheena threw her neck or something | 22:58 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, true -- BUT huge money and embedded <> cloud interfaces | 22:58 |
| fenn | fake it til you make it then | 22:59 |
| kanzure | (she's sleepingz) | 22:59 |
| delinquentme | but ill see -- meeting w altay on monday | 22:59 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, I was thinking if I could wick the saline / minerals away then the surface could be tested for currently excreted mineral content | 22:59 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, also Im trying to figure out the best way to take a position like this and make it remote | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: should be fine regardless as long as the sensor dynamic range is wide enough | 23:00 |
| delinquentme | company called thingworx ... and backed by a huge engineering company | 23:00 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: location? | 23:00 |
| kanzure | if they are hiring for office occupants then pitching them remote is usually very difficult and not worth the effort. | 23:00 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, the issue is that I'd want to sample *only* the saline content of what is currently being excreted | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | but since you knew what previously was excreted, couldn't you do some sort of subtraction or normalization or something? | 23:01 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, nice. | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | or have some pack that leaks water on the sensor | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | osmosis based | 23:01 |
| nmz787 | dialysis tubing | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | look that up | 23:02 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: there's a guy at work who started out just doing unit testing and he moved into other things because he was contributing bugfixes so he got to know the code pretty well at the core | 23:03 |
| delinquentme | actually just doing subtractive/ additive measures makes more sense | 23:03 |
| delinquentme | to test: does resistance change as salt content is upped | 23:03 |
| nmz787 | like it's and interal or something | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | so you'd need to take the derivative | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | something like that | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: use impedance | 23:04 |
| fenn | why are you measuring salt? | 23:04 |
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| nmz787 | basically resistance over a range of freqs | 23:04 |
| kanzure | he is measuring butt temperature | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | there are chips that do this sweeping for you | 23:04 |
| kanzure | and salt content impacts that or somtehing | 23:04 |
| nmz787 | and temperature tells you if you have fever | 23:05 |
| nmz787 | and ebola | 23:05 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, thats another sensor | 23:05 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 23:05 | |
| delinquentme | fenn, hypothesis: I can use some electrical based measure to quantify the amount of salt/ electrolytes lost through the skin | 23:06 |
| delinquentme | nmz787, whats this about internal + derivative? | 23:06 |
| nmz787 | integral | 23:06 |
| justanotheruser | 19:59 < kanzure> i would rather spend cycles figuring out how to perma-solve paper access | 23:07 |
| delinquentme | fenn, basically I cramp when I bike for sustained duration -- and I'd be curious as to how far off I am from getting my intake | 23:07 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: i think i meant storage.. not sure. | 23:07 |
| justanotheruser | set up a server in a foreign country that serves files via tor? | 23:07 |
| fenn | gsr is a common measurement used in polygraph machines | 23:07 |
| delinquentme | pay off college students | 23:07 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: unfortunately i would still have to pay for 50 TB of storage | 23:07 |
| kanzure | college students don't have 50 TB | 23:07 |
| justanotheruser | you're not a college student? | 23:07 |
| delinquentme | backblaze = stupid cheap storrrrr age | 23:08 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I still like the app idea | 23:08 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: i dropped out years ago | 23:08 |
| justanotheruser | yeah, so I don't understand 02:07 < kanzure> college students don't have 50 TB | 23:08 |
| kanzure | well it was because delinquentme suggested using college students | 23:08 |
| justanotheruser | oh ok | 23:08 |
| kanzure | pay attention :P | 23:08 |
| justanotheruser | sorry, only read -wizards scrollback :P | 23:09 |
| fenn | delinquentme you probably have magnedium deficiency from poor diet and caffeine use like the rest of the industrialized world | 23:09 |
| fenn | magnesium | 23:09 |
| kanzure | fenn: we figured out his problem a long time ago. not taking his meds (stimulants). | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | ooo | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | magnesium eh | 23:09 |
| delinquentme | fenn, yeah I dosed up on spinach before last ride and it worked wonders ... HUGE different ... but still had small cramping | 23:09 |
| justanotheruser | delinquentme: are you the guy with a frozen relative? | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | i think you had that the last time i saw you | 23:09 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: no | 23:09 |
| nmz787 | some fizzy pwder | 23:09 |
| justanotheruser | who was that? | 23:10 |
| kanzure | what, like a name? | 23:10 |
| justanotheruser | last alias used | 23:10 |
| delinquentme | the electrolytes you need: sodium, potassium, calcium magnesium | 23:10 |
| kanzure | last alias.. hmm. | 23:10 |
| fenn | amora or something was here earlier | 23:10 |
| justanotheruser | somehow it reminded me of delinquentmes alias | 23:10 |
| delinquentme | and the creatine makes me fucking monstrous | 23:10 |
| kanzure | uh... um... diablosomething? hrm.. | 23:10 |
| * justanotheruser checks /bans and its dantespeaks | 23:10 | |
| kanzure | damn | 23:10 |
| kanzure | dante is not diablo | 23:11 |
| justanotheruser | the d's mixed me up | 23:11 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: its pretty close | 23:11 |
| fenn | amorah | 23:11 |
| kanzure | proof of troll | 23:11 |
| justanotheruser | amorah is dante? | 23:12 |
| kanzure | dunno | 23:12 |
| justanotheruser | It was a bit entertaining in a strange way to have him here... not sure kanzure feels the same | 23:12 |
| fenn | compact proof if troll proof is compact in sub exponential time | 23:12 |
| justanotheruser | at least it is entertaining reading the logs | 23:12 |
| kanzure | yes i'm sure it's very amusing to see a dangerous stalker sending me threats | 23:12 |
| justanotheruser | was him sending threats somewhere in the logs? | 23:13 |
| kanzure | -_- | 23:13 |
| justanotheruser | Didn't realize. Just him wanting to start some illegal business then begging for ltc | 23:13 |
| justanotheruser | is what I saw | 23:13 |
| delinquentme | HMMMMMM | 23:13 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: you didn't hold those ltc, did you? | 23:13 |
| delinquentme | I'm wondering if I could get that expansive COMSOL lisence which would let me run it on a cluster | 23:14 |
| kanzure | you're asking if i sold? | 23:14 |
| fenn | i think he is just overenthusiastic with some borderline personality | 23:14 |
| justanotheruser | or changed to btc | 23:14 |
| kanzure | nah i haven't touched my stash in forever | 23:14 |
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| fenn | god i sound like a chatbot tonight | 23:15 |
| kanzure | are you still suffering from lag syndrome? | 23:15 |
| justanotheruser | would be tough to get rid of those given the amount | 23:15 |
| fenn | im suffering from typing on a nook and having read that sidechains paper | 23:16 |
| nmz787 | delinquentme: do you know how to use COMSOL ? | 23:16 |
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| kanzure | comsol: for forth programmers who hate changing naming conventions after 50 years | 23:16 |
| kanzure | ANYSOLV COMSOL NAMECODE | 23:16 |
| justanotheruser | Feel free to tell me to stfu, but I'm really curious, did you buy those or something? | 23:16 |
| fenn | fortran not forth | 23:16 |
| kanzure | so picky | 23:16 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: he mistook a large stash for my own | 23:17 |
| kanzure | i do not own 10% of all litecoin | 23:17 |
| justanotheruser | oh, it was just some massive output someone else could spend on your demand (an exchange or wallet)? | 23:17 |
| kanzure | probably | 23:18 |
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| justanotheruser | it wasn't 10% iirc, just a few hundred thousand | 23:18 |
| fenn | are physics processors still a thing | 23:20 |
| fenn | like high precision gpu | 23:21 |
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| justanotheruser | fenn: fpgas are a thing | 23:22 |
| fenn | sounds expensive and power hungry | 23:23 |
| kanzure | and proprietary | 23:23 |
| justanotheruser | whats propietary, the hardware? | 23:24 |
| kanzure | fpga stuff? yeah.. | 23:24 |
| justanotheruser | so you want open source hardware? | 23:25 |
| fenn | the programming synthedis software | 23:25 |
| justanotheruser | wait | 23:25 |
| kanzure | and the protocol and firmware and stuff | 23:25 |
| justanotheruser | why am I asking kanzure if he wants open source hardware | 23:25 |
| kanzure | historically you have had better questions for me, it's true. | 23:25 |
| fenn | cant use fpga without manufacturers software | 23:25 |
| justanotheruser | fenn: is that true for all manufacturers? | 23:25 |
| fenn | yes emphatically so | 23:26 |
| kanzure | .g site:kickstarter.com fpga synthesis | 23:26 |
| yoleaux | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1812459948/minispartan6-a-powerful-fpga-board-and-easy-to-use/comments?cursor=7269076 | 23:26 |
| kanzure | .g site:kickstarter.com fpga synthesis inurl:open | 23:26 |
| yoleaux | No results found. | 23:26 |
| justanotheruser | It worries me that they want $7500 to start an fpga company | 23:27 |
| kanzure | they are just doing a pcb board i think (haven't looked) | 23:27 |
| justanotheruser | "he design files, schematic and layout, for all the versions of miniSpartan6+ will be available as open source in the next few weeks. | 23:27 |
| justanotheruser | So even if you receive miniSpartan6+ with BGA, you still can use the TQFP in your own design." | 23:27 |
| fenn | just a board run | 23:28 |
| fenn | this is what kickstarter is for imho | 23:28 |
| kanzure | except that prices for pcbs have dropped so low that you don't really need to do group buys any more | 23:29 |
| fenn | if you say so | 23:30 |
| kanzure | $12/board ships in 3 days.. dunno where i saw this. | 23:30 |
| fenn | depends on the board | 23:30 |
| fenn | thats a good price tho even for a small dual layer | 23:31 |
| delinquentme | LIQUID FOOOOOODDDD | 23:32 |
| delinquentme | routing for PCBs are so sexy | 23:32 |
| fenn | are you high on soylent | 23:32 |
| delinquentme | IDK why ... just something about it | 23:33 |
| delinquentme | fenn, almost -- prote poweder and soybeans | 23:33 |
| fenn | ew | 23:33 |
| fenn | google trypsin inhibitor | 23:34 |
| fenn | also toporouter | 23:34 |
| fenn | liquidpcb | 23:34 |
| delinquentme | fenn, why trypsin inhibitor | 23:36 |
| fenn | soybeans contain it | 23:38 |
| delinquentme | would then that mean that i digest the protein slower? | 23:38 |
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| delinquentme | lulz. Palantiri Systems | 23:42 |
| fenn | yes | 23:42 |
| delinquentme | " Oh you've worked at Palanti... " ... " Oh wait " | 23:42 |
| delinquentme | fenn, if I ensure that my protein intake is sufficient wouldn't that be a good thing then? say especially as I slept ... or no? | 23:43 |
| delinquentme | Im just eating them because they've got awesome protein / carb ratios ... and they're cheap as shit | 23:43 |
| fenn | too much delay can lead to bacterial overgrowth | 23:46 |
| fenn | prob ok if you arent adding sugar | 23:47 |
| nmz787 | fenn: fpgas are like $3 at the cheap but still fast lower end | 23:47 |
| nmz787 | fenn: just get less logic | 23:47 |
| nmz787 | http://www.latticestore.com/products/tabid/417/categoryid/6/productid/258/searchid/1/searchvalue/ice40hx1k-stick-evn/default.aspx | 23:49 |
| nmz787 | $25 fpga dev board | 23:49 |
| fenn | can you implement a ray tracer or multidomain simulation on it | 23:50 |
| nmz787 | i've got no idea how many logic cells that would take | 23:51 |
| fenn | me eithrr | 23:51 |
| fenn | soft cpu is cheating | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | i think that dev kit specifically is meant for glue logic stuff, or other simple tasks that still could benefit from high speed | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | to get people into vhdl/verilog | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | and logic at a cheap price point | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | price was my problem 5 or 6 years ago when I wanted to jump into fpga stuff | 23:53 |
| fenn | it was cheap then too | 23:53 |
| nmz787 | and that I didn't know about http://www.fpga4fun.com/ | 23:53 |
| nmz787 | not for a dev board though | 23:53 |
| nmz787 | per chip sure | 23:54 |
| fenn | pff dev board... you kids | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | but these chips have lots and lots integrated today | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | so it has also been a result of reduced part count at large | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | plus they're up the street from me, so at least it's a local fpga :) | 23:55 |
| fenn | does it have wifi and gps :) | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | no but I think TI has a chip for that now | 23:55 |
| fenn | "theres a chip for that" | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | apparently this only has wifi https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12072?gclid=Cj0KEQjw8aeiBRCknPXk-u_V_4gBEiQAD2-mgZc3j2_NSu-DTYLavQ2ZESd88GIpvQjdzzauyhZmF-waAklt8P8HAQ | 23:57 |
| fenn | .title | 23:57 |
| yoleaux | CC3000 WiFi Breakout - WRL-12072 - SparkFun Electronics | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | 'Throughput (TCP): ~4Mbps' | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | 'EEE 802.11 b/g Compliant WEP, WPA/WPA2 (AES and TKIP - Personal) Security Modes' | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | all via SPI | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | $35 | 23:57 |
| fenn | my phone cost less than that | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | the chip itself looks to be $22 | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | yep | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | scale of economy etc | 23:59 |
| fenn | weird huh | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | we are little fish in the buyers market | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | not buying 10000 chips at once | 23:59 |
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