| --- Log opened Wed Oct 29 00:00:03 2014 | ||
| --- Day changed Wed Oct 29 2014 | ||
| nmz787 | $366 | 00:00 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: verbnurbs is a good cad kernel and needs to go in the direction of cadquery | 00:00 |
| nmz787 | '60mL Jellyfish Food $26 — Contains approximately 1/2 ounce, enough food to feed 3 - 5 Moon Jellyfish for up to 6 months.' | 00:01 |
| genehacker | but it's javascript | 00:01 |
| nmz787 | isn't verbnurbs only NURBS though? | 00:01 |
| kanzure | i have a python implementation that i can show you | 00:01 |
| fenn | Lemminkainen: i've had rudy rucker over to my house, but never read any of his books :\ | 00:01 |
| * kanzure sleeps | 00:01 | |
| genehacker | what about c++? | 00:02 |
| nmz787 | gorillas.bas needs ported to flask or something | 00:03 |
| Lemminkainen | fenn how much of Rudy came in and how much was elsewhere? | 00:03 |
| nmz787 | for online multiplayer | 00:03 |
| fenn | lemminkainen the whole thing was quite confusing, possibly intentionally | 00:04 |
| Lemminkainen | sounds about right | 00:06 |
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| fenn | .title https://www.flickr.com/photos/a_semenov/6895799446/sizes/o/ | 02:05 |
| yoleaux | All sizes | Hyperia kid on the Baloon | Flickr - Photo Sharing! | 02:05 |
| fenn | hyperia galba in its jellyfish house | 02:06 |
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| kanzure | writing it in c++ is the wrong thing to do | 06:19 |
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| kanzure | http://thing-described-by.org/ | 08:00 |
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| kanzure | win 9 | 08:21 |
| kanzure | failure | 08:21 |
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| kanzure | https://community.rapid7.com/community/metasploit/blog/2014/10/28/r7-2014-15-gnu-wget-ftp-symlink-arbitrary-filesystem-access | 08:28 |
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| kanzure | beep boop | 09:43 |
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| drethelin | boop beep | 10:14 |
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| kanzure | you took the words right out of my mouth | 10:35 |
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| * heath needs a wireless router... | 13:05 | |
| heath | .title http://rooter.is/ | 13:05 |
| yoleaux | rooter: an open hardware wireless router | 13:05 |
| nmz787_i1 | ubiquity | 13:06 |
| heath | "" This project has been stalled/mothballed since Summer 2013 due to lack of resources | 13:06 |
| heath | " | 13:06 |
| nmz787_i1 | heath: http://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ | 13:08 |
| kanzure | wake me up when they have an open source wifi chip | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i1 | heath: with this AP http://ubnt.com/unifi | 13:09 |
| kanzure | fenn: arguably one of the other huge problems with opencascade is that many of their tests are not public, | 13:10 |
| kanzure | fenn: so it's basically impossible to improve opencascade without figuring out your own tests for all the existing code | 13:10 |
| heath | .title https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mossmann/hackrf-an-open-source-sdr-platform | 13:11 |
| yoleaux | HackRF, an open source SDR platform by Michael Ossmann — Kickstarter | 13:11 |
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| heath | .title http://mightyohm.com/blog/2008/10/building-a-wifi-radio-part-1-introduction/ | 13:14 |
| yoleaux | MightyOhm » Blog Archive » Building a Wifi Radio – Part 1, Introduction | 13:14 |
| heath | .title http://mightyohm.com/blog/2009/05/building-a-wifi-radio-part-10-building-the-box/ | 13:14 |
| yoleaux | MightyOhm » Blog Archive » Building a Wifi Radio – Part 10, Building the Box | 13:14 |
| nmz787_i1 | mossman seemed like a cool guy, lots of folks here know him i guess | 13:20 |
| nmz787_i1 | I like the processor family the hackRF uses | 13:21 |
| chris_99 | you couldn't do wifi with hackrf though? | 13:24 |
| nmz787_i1 | you could sniff it, it doesn't transmit | 13:25 |
| chris_99 | mmm | 13:26 |
| nmz787_i1 | and it wouldn't seem to fit under kanzures 'wake me up when they have an open source wifi chip' since it itself uses many chips | 13:26 |
| chris_99 | mm, theres no OSS FPGAs | 13:26 |
| nmz787_i1 | OSS being opensourcesoftware? | 13:27 |
| nmz787_i1 | if so, there are probably open FPGA simulators | 13:27 |
| chris_99 | well yeah theres no tools that generate bin files afaik | 13:27 |
| chris_99 | for modern FPGAs at least | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i1 | vhdl nor verilog is open? | 13:28 |
| heath | nmz787_i1: those look nice, thanks for the recommendation | 13:28 |
| chris_99 | bin files are proprietry | 13:28 |
| heath | i don't think i want to pay that kind of money for a router right now | 13:28 |
| kanzure | raft http://raftconsensus.github.io/ | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i1 | heath: yeah that's why i suffer with lugging a usb3 drive around my house for entertainment | 13:28 |
| heath | kanzure: there was a nice animation explaining raft... | 13:29 |
| kanzure | browsers, prng and javascript http://matasano.com/articles/javascript-cryptography/ | 13:29 |
| heath | kanzure: http://thesecretlivesofdata.com/raft/ | 13:30 |
| heath | .title | 13:30 |
| yoleaux | Raft | 13:30 |
| heath | bah | 13:30 |
| kanzure | http://www.andreagrandi.it/2014/10/25/automatically-pull-updated-docker-images-and-restart-containers-with-docker-puller/ | 13:36 |
| kanzure | "Every time docker.io finishes building and pushing your image to the docker registry, it will POST on that URL. docker-puller will catch the POST, check for a valid token, get the hook name and will execute the relative script." | 13:36 |
| kanzure | http://dantehranian.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/building-docker-images-within-docker-containers-via-jenkins/ | 13:37 |
| kanzure | oh wait i've met this dude | 13:37 |
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| nmz787_i1 | I wonder why soundclound sucks so much on my work machine | 13:52 |
| nmz787_i1 | like, it doesn't play the first time you click play | 13:52 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZq0JNJHrEs | 14:10 |
| yoleaux | How to Use Bitcoin to Design Fair Protocols - YouTube | 14:10 |
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| heath | .title https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/megabots/megabots-live-action-giant-robot-combat | 14:21 |
| yoleaux | MegaBots: Live-Action Giant Robot Combat by MegaBots, Inc. — Kickstarter | 14:21 |
| kanzure | .title https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5161 | 14:26 |
| yoleaux | Do not use third party services for IP detection. by gmaxwell · Pull Request #5161 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub | 14:26 |
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| nmz787_i1 | http://potrace.sourceforge.net/ 'Potrace - Transforming bitmaps into vector graphics' | 16:20 |
| chris_99 | i want the rotoscoper they used for a scanner darkly | 16:23 |
| chris_99 | http://www.flatblackfilms.com/Flat_Black_Films/Rotoshop.html | 16:24 |
| chris_99 | oh it doesn't work how i thought it did though | 16:25 |
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| chris_99 | i just ordered some of these - http://www.anadigm.com/_doc/DS231000-U001.pdf may be of interest to some peeps | 16:51 |
| chris_99 | (FPAA) | 16:51 |
| nmz787_i1 | have you compared that to the cypress psoc? | 16:56 |
| nmz787_i1 | 'programmable analog, opamp, comparator, voltage ref, TIA, PGA, INA, DAC, Analog Filters, SAR ADC, Delta Sigma ADC, Modulator and many more' | 16:57 |
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| chris_99 | cypress psocs are digital no? | 17:11 |
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| nmz787 | chris_99: with lots of analog | 17:24 |
| nmz787 | what you posted looks like it lacks a processor/mcu | 17:24 |
| nmz787 | whereas the psoc have one included | 17:25 |
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| chris_99 | nmz787, sorry about that, so it looks like the psocs have an analog --> digital | 17:38 |
| chris_99 | frontend | 17:38 |
| chris_99 | ? | 17:38 |
| chris_99 | the FPAA is different in that it has an analog input & out, and does the processing entirely through analog | 17:41 |
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| fenn | For the low, low price of $999,999.99 | 18:01 |
| fenn | considering how much real military hardware costs, it's a steal | 18:01 |
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| fenn | chris_99: what are you using the FPAA for? | 18:20 |
| chris_99 | guitar fx pedal to start with | 18:20 |
| fenn | sweet, now you can play rad jams at up to 2MHz | 18:21 |
| chris_99 | heh | 18:21 |
| fenn | that's not very high frequency for an analog device | 18:22 |
| chris_99 | i imagine you can get more sophisticated ones | 18:23 |
| fenn | i'm just reading the product line page | 18:23 |
| fenn | how do you program them? | 18:24 |
| chris_99 | theres a graphical tool, that i believe generates code, and theres also some examples for PIC MCUs | 18:24 |
| fenn | do you have to use the "easy-to-use drag-and-drop interface AnadigmDesigner®2 EDA software" | 18:24 |
| chris_99 | no | 18:24 |
| chris_99 | http://www.anadigm.com/sup_AppNotelib.asp | 18:25 |
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| fenn | i always wondered how digital resistors worked... (apparently they rapidly switch capacitors between Vcc/GND and the signal) | 18:32 |
| fenn | theory of how fpaa works: http://www.anadigm.com/_apps/BasicSC-tech.pdf | 18:37 |
| chris_99 | nice | 18:38 |
| chris_99 | hadn't seen that | 18:38 |
| fenn | it also sort of explains why the bandwidth is so low, since the whole circuit is basically being simulated by rapidly flipping switches up and down | 18:39 |
| chris_99 | mmm | 18:39 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: what percentage of science does paperbot have? | 18:41 |
| fenn | it's currently broken, so 0% | 18:42 |
| fenn | we get a biased view because most people want to read from a small set of high impact journals | 18:43 |
| justanotheruser | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmc334765/ | 18:43 |
| fenn | considering there are 20k+ established journals and probably 200k upstarts, it would take a significant effort just to catalog all the journals | 18:44 |
| justanotheruser | is there a directory of all journals? | 18:44 |
| fenn | ISI web of knowledge is probably the closest you're going to find | 18:45 |
| justanotheruser | I wonder if my university would get mad if I downloaded every article I could from there. | 18:46 |
| fenn | yes | 18:46 |
| fenn | but web of knowledge is just a citation database; it doesn't contain any articles | 18:47 |
| justanotheruser | but I assume it would be easy to find the actual article from a journal I have access to using these citations | 18:47 |
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| chris_99 | fenn, you need academic access, to use web of knowldege? | 18:48 |
| fenn | yes there is usually a link to a the individual journal's page for the paper | 18:49 |
| fenn | and apparently it's subscription-only, i think it used to be free to use | 18:49 |
| chris_99 | i mean even to use the site itself | 18:49 |
| justanotheruser | I wonder how much access to every journal would cost | 18:50 |
| fenn | they're sold as bundles so it's not additive | 18:52 |
| fenn | like cable tv | 18:52 |
| fenn | also it's different for every library since the negotiations are secret | 18:52 |
| justanotheruser | well that sucks | 18:53 |
| justanotheruser | the authors make no money in the majority of the cases right? | 18:53 |
| fenn | the authors pay to get published in the journal usually | 18:53 |
| fenn | and then they pay again to read it | 18:53 |
| chris_99 | i don't suppose web of knowledge somewhere has a download for the whole DB | 18:53 |
| chris_99 | of citations | 18:54 |
| fenn | chris_99: that would totally destroy their business model | 18:54 |
| chris_99 | heh true | 18:54 |
| fenn | also this fact has called into doubt the scientific reproducibility of "impact factor" scores | 18:54 |
| justanotheruser | fenn: so the reason they publish to an expensive, non-PD journal is because more people will see it? | 18:54 |
| fenn | because nobody has access to the data required to calculate impact factors | 18:54 |
| chris_99 | ah interesting | 18:54 |
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| fenn | justanotheruser: there are a lot of reasons, uh.. let me see if i can find something enumerating them | 18:55 |
| fenn | it's sort of like why people use microsoft products i guess | 18:58 |
| justanotheruser | fenn: microsoft products help you accomplish a task | 18:59 |
| justanotheruser | what is the task these guys are trying to accomplish? | 18:59 |
| fenn | they get people to read your paper | 18:59 |
| justanotheruser | why wouldn't an author publish to a small PD | 18:59 |
| justanotheruser | journal | 18:59 |
| justanotheruser | okay, so it is "because more people will see it" | 18:59 |
| fenn | they act as gatekeepers, to filter out less important papers | 19:00 |
| justanotheruser | hmm | 19:00 |
| fenn | small obscure journals usually have less important results and not as well executed experiments (or at least that's the prevailing attitude) | 19:00 |
| justanotheruser | seems a journal *should* act as a honesty filter rather than an importance filter | 19:00 |
| fenn | the journals don't act as honesty filters, they delegate that back to the academics as "peer review" | 19:01 |
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| justanotheruser | So the costs of running a journal are: making sure the experiments are good, making sure it is peer reviewed, making sure the english is correct, distribution? | 19:01 |
| justanotheruser | well honesty means questioning the legitemacy of the peer review | 19:01 |
| fenn | they also do proofreading and editorials, but yeah that's about it | 19:02 |
| justanotheruser | why can't someone just self publish and include a proof of peer reviewing? | 19:03 |
| fenn | people self-publish all the time, but then you have to ensure that your paper is available for millions of years and everywhere | 19:03 |
| fenn | most of these concepts date back to the age of dead trees, when "self publish" didnt mean the same thing as it does today | 19:04 |
| justanotheruser | so why couldn't someone make a journal with minimal importance verification? | 19:04 |
| justanotheruser | basically I'm asking how viable a general PD journal site would be? | 19:04 |
| fenn | well... the whole open access thing has taken off and lots of people are making "journals" for reasons ranging from indignation to idealism to outright fraud and exploitation | 19:05 |
| fenn | but given that the established journals are already outright exploitative, it would be hard not to make an improvement | 19:06 |
| fenn | so you might have heard of plosone.org | 19:06 |
| fenn | it's basically what you just said, "why couldnt someone just make a journal" | 19:06 |
| fenn | and there is a lot of momentum around it because it was one of the first | 19:07 |
| justanotheruser | fenn: these journals are basically all for profit? | 19:07 |
| fenn | which | 19:07 |
| justanotheruser | fenn: the "20k+" established | 19:07 |
| fenn | lol "locomotion in extinct giant kangaroos" http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0109888.strk&representation=PNG_M | 19:08 |
| fenn | justanotheruser: those journals were all that existed for the majority of science, and the prices have been going up steadily for many decades. it's only after the internet dropped the cost of publishing to near zero that people started questioning the costs involved | 19:09 |
| kanzure | i wonder if academic textbooks were overpriced even in the 1800s. | 19:10 |
| fenn | all books were expensive in the 1800s | 19:11 |
| fenn | hell, books are still overpriced | 19:11 |
| fenn | cost of manufacturing and distribution is like $3 but they sell them for $20 | 19:12 |
| justanotheruser | $20 | 19:12 |
| justanotheruser | lol | 19:12 |
| justanotheruser | I'm in college and my cheapest books are around there. Most expensive are around $100 | 19:12 |
| fenn | yeah textbooks are a real scam | 19:12 |
| fenn | you used to be able to buy used textbooks from previous years; now publishers collude with professors to require a new book every year | 19:13 |
| fenn | they just switch the problem numbers around | 19:13 |
| fenn | kanzure do you know of a list of "reasons academics publish in closed journals"? | 19:14 |
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| justanotheruser | fenn: I proposed (to one of my professors funny enough) charging a % of the textbook to the department. | 19:15 |
| fenn | well they end up paying for it anyway with scholarships | 19:18 |
| kanzure | fenn: check -wizards backlog | 19:18 |
| kanzure | somewhat recent backlog | 19:18 |
| kanzure | fenn, the primary reason why academics publish in those journals is prestige, career, citation counts, readership levels, funding, and ranking | 19:19 |
| fenn | does a citation in a big journal count more than a citation in a little journal? | 19:20 |
| kanzure | hell yes | 19:23 |
| fenn | justanotheruser: not the best list but meh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_journal_publishing_reform#Motivations_against_reform | 19:23 |
| kanzure | i have a list of known journals somewhere. | 19:24 |
| kanzure | elsevier alone is like 7000 journals | 19:24 |
| kanzure | and springer is at least 3000 | 19:24 |
| kanzure | typical long tail, yadda yadda | 19:24 |
| kanzure | seen it once seen it a million times | 19:24 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: don't you think getting all these articles is a much bigger problem than hosting them? | 19:24 |
| kanzure | no | 19:24 |
| kanzure | hosting them is also not a big deal | 19:24 |
| kanzure | anyone can buy 40 TB of storage or whatever | 19:24 |
| justanotheruser | if it's not a big deal, it shouldn't be hard to do :) | 19:24 |
| kanzure | the physical storage is not the bottleneck | 19:25 |
| justanotheruser | Just pay some (dutch?) guy to host them for you | 19:25 |
| kanzure | uh... | 19:25 |
| kanzure | yeah that is a bad plan | 19:25 |
| fenn | the publishers are surprisingly unsophisticated in terms of detecting/blocking bulk downloading | 19:25 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: holland bad for piracy? | 19:25 |
| kanzure | you don't need to do bulk downloading like that anyway | 19:25 |
| kanzure | and if you do, they can detect it eventually anyway | 19:25 |
| kanzure | so you need to be careful about bulk downloading | 19:25 |
| kanzure | and also you need to not recommend that people just run wget -m or something | 19:25 |
| justanotheruser | yeah, thats how swartz got in trouble iirc | 19:26 |
| fenn | is it? | 19:26 |
| justanotheruser | did swartz know gmaxwell or something | 19:26 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: so you have a single person hosting it... now what. when they take him out, you're back to square one. | 19:26 |
| justanotheruser | " Internet activist Aaron Swartz used MIT's data network to bulk-download a substantial portion of JSTOR's collection of academic" | 19:26 |
| kanzure | that's not particularly why aaronsw got in trouble | 19:26 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: of course you could copy the db and distribute it | 19:26 |
| justanotheruser | and then others could open similar websites | 19:27 |
| kanzure | you understand like zero nuancy this is really frustrating | 19:27 |
| kanzure | distributing it is entirely the problem | 19:27 |
| justanotheruser | sorry, lets not discuss this with me then | 19:27 |
| kanzure | you can't just host it on a public server in your name without getting caught | 19:27 |
| kanzure | that is a very very bad idea | 19:27 |
| kanzure | you can't be a single point of failure for the entire system | 19:27 |
| kanzure | you're asking a $7 billion dollar weapons manufacturer to start a legal fight | 19:28 |
| kanzure | that is the dumbest plan i've heard in a while | 19:28 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: I don't think a single point of failure would be a problem if you had this db | 19:28 |
| justanotheruser | in that, there would be more than a single point | 19:28 |
| kanzure | who would be providing access to this db then? | 19:28 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: multiple people hosting websites presumably | 19:29 |
| kanzure | ...? | 19:29 |
| kanzure | you should read the wizards backlog | 19:29 |
| justanotheruser | where you were discussing a distributed version? | 19:29 |
| kanzure | er...... yes.... | 19:29 |
| kanzure | it was like ten minutes ago | 19:30 |
| justanotheruser | I know. I was just wondering if thats what you were referring to. | 19:30 |
| kanzure | i was out to dinner with andytoshi and we decided to fix things | 19:30 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: in the US? | 19:30 |
| kanzure | it is a very bad idea to concentrate all of the legal risk in a single entity | 19:30 |
| kanzure | a traditional database has the property of doing just that | 19:30 |
| fenn | "At the time of Aaron’s actions, the JSTOR website allowed an unlimited number of downloads by anybody on MIT’s 18.x Class-A network. The JSTOR application lacked even the most basic controls to prevent what they might consider abusive behavior, such as CAPTCHAs triggered on multiple downloads, requiring accounts for bulk downloads, or even the ability to pop a box and warn a repeat | 19:31 |
| kanzure | and also, you can't rely on altruism | 19:31 |
| fenn | downloader." | 19:31 |
| kanzure | fenn, yeah so the reason that mit got particularly concerned at first was because of the mac address spoofing | 19:31 |
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| fenn | iirc some network tech discovered this laptop address during an unrelated network repair or something | 19:31 |
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| fenn | having nothing to do with the download in particular | 19:31 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: you will always have to rely on some altruism I think | 19:32 |
| kanzure | well, read the backlog in wizards. | 19:34 |
| justanotheruser | I have | 19:34 |
| kanzure | then i don't know how to help you | 19:34 |
| kanzure | hrm. | 19:34 |
| justanotheruser | is there something incorrect in my statement? | 19:34 |
| kanzure | your statement is way too strong ("you must have a system of centralized databases supported entirely by altruism") | 19:35 |
| justanotheruser | I didn't claim that | 19:35 |
| justanotheruser | That may be one solution | 19:35 |
| justanotheruser | but not a "must" | 19:36 |
| fenn | wtf "I have 40TB of storage sitting idle" | 19:36 |
| justanotheruser | depends if there is a country someone can be free to host this stuff in | 19:36 |
| fenn | hay guyz do u needz to borrow my UFO | 19:36 |
| fenn | wanna buzz mars or somthin | 19:36 |
| justanotheruser | anyways, I don't see how well a trustless system would work | 19:36 |
| justanotheruser | you can prove you are hosting something, but you can't prove you are allowing people to download. | 19:37 |
| justanotheruser | It is much less risky to have some journal you shouldn't have and not give it to someone | 19:37 |
| fenn | hosting == allowing downloads | 19:37 |
| kanzure | could we do this in wizards instead | 19:37 |
| kanzure | because zooko is there and others | 19:37 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: ok | 19:38 |
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| kanzure | hehehe "recently announced order of 160,000 Hazmat suits by the US State Department" | 21:04 |
| kanzure | "Lakeland.... announced that it has, by now, received 1 million Hazmat suit orders and rising exponentially" | 21:05 |
| justanotheruser | wat | 21:05 |
| kanzure | jrayhawk_: man, if only i was more confident about my beliefs about hazmats suits a few years ago | 21:05 |
| kanzure | *hazmat | 21:05 |
| fenn | ebola | 21:07 |
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| kanzure | fenn: i didn't mean to be rude | 21:34 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: are those 1m Hazmat suits mostly people unnecessarily scared? | 21:34 |
| kanzure | no idea | 21:35 |
| kanzure | personally i think hazmat suits are a good concept | 21:35 |
| justanotheruser | 1 ebola patient probably doesn't need >100 hazmat suits | 21:35 |
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| fenn | i feel like my IQ has gone down over the past 6 months | 21:36 |
| fenn | also, cryptography is fucking hard and people spend a lifetime studying it and getting nowhere | 21:37 |
| kanzure | heh, i dunno if cryptography will solve the sorts of problems that you are needing solved | 21:37 |
| fenn | probably not, and that's why i haven't studied it | 21:38 |
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| justanotheruser | kanzoracle: research paper or self-percieved intelligence while learning something new? | 21:38 |
| justanotheruser | vs while not learning | 21:38 |
| kanzure | gwern would be better for that one | 21:38 |
| justanotheruser | gwern comes here? | 21:39 |
| kanzure | nah | 21:39 |
| kanzure | #lesswrong | 21:39 |
| justanotheruser | he's autistic? | 21:40 |
| fenn | when deciding on spaced repetition (graduated interval forced recall) memorization schedules, it turns out that people prefer "easier" schedules because it feels good to get right answers, but maximum performance is obtained with "hard" schedules that tend to discourage people from continuing with the schedule | 21:40 |
| kanzure | who knows | 21:40 |
| justanotheruser | wait, thats wrongplanet | 21:40 |
| justanotheruser | nvm | 21:40 |
| fenn | i've seen gwern in here a couple times | 21:40 |
| nmz787 | chri | 21:51 |
| nmz787 | fenn: do you know if the psoc have the same oscillator-based analog blocks? | 21:55 |
| fenn | i dont know what psoc is | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | seems so, at least for psoc 1 | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | by cypress | 21:56 |
| nmz787 | http://www.cypress.com/?docID=49508 | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | Understanding PSoC® | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | 1 Switched Capacitor Analog Blocks | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | but there is also psoc 3 and 5lp | 21:57 |
| nmz787 | so i wonder if they have other tech | 21:58 |
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| nmz787 | 'In 2002, Cypress began shipping commercial quantities of the PSoC 1.' | 21:58 |
| nmz787 | from .wik psoc | 21:59 |
| nmz787 | .wik psoc | 21:59 |
| yoleaux | "PSoC (Programmable System-on-Chip) is a family of microcontroller integrated circuits by Cypress Semiconductor. These chips include a CPU core and mixed-signal arrays of configurable integrated analog and digital peripherals." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSoC | 21:59 |
| fenn | wow psoc 3 runs on 0.5V | 22:01 |
| fenn | "PISD – post-internet stress disorder" | 22:15 |
| fenn | hey man wanna get PISD | 22:16 |
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| nmz787 | whole new meaning "I'm PISD off' | 22:38 |
| nmz787 | chris_99: seems the psocs also use the oscillator-based analog stuff | 22:38 |
| nmz787 | so it seems like it would have some modulation noise | 22:39 |
| nmz787 | :/ | 22:39 |
| nmz787 | idk | 22:39 |
| justanotheruser | fenn: is PISD a thing? | 22:39 |
| chris_99 | they don't have a full analog processing stream though, nmz787 ? | 22:39 |
| nmz787 | i know they have some kind of analog routing network that is configurable | 22:40 |
| nmz787 | but in those or the one you posted, since they're using oscillators and stuff, I wonder if there's actually noise introduced | 22:40 |
| nmz787 | i.e. maybe you really /do/ want a tube pedal | 22:41 |
| fenn | justanotheruser: just a funny acronym in some bitcoin article | 22:41 |
| justanotheruser | sounds more like something from tumblr | 22:42 |
| fenn | as to whether it's an existing phenomenon or not, i'd say there's a good argument to be made | 22:42 |
| nmz787 | or like, what's the diff between that and using a high-precision DAC, and accompanying ADC, and then have some fast signal processing on the inside... I wonder the performance difference | 22:42 |
| fenn | context is "reason people flock to bitcoin in waves" ... "people are learning about Bitcoin and coming to the realization that bitcoins are indeed the best money. Possible overlapping motives: | 22:45 |
| fenn | ADHD – compulsive novelty fetichism induced by our post-war consumer culture and/or innate biological processes | 22:45 |
| fenn | FOMO – fear of missing out, see Regret Theory and ingroups, aka avarice and status-seeking | 22:45 |
| fenn | PISD – post-internet stress disorder, aka "disruption", "next big thing", "internet of money" | 22:45 |
| fenn | internet is probably more stressful on people than, say, television | 22:46 |
| fenn | but not because of startups or technology disruption | 22:46 |
| chris_99 | it seems theres a non-switched version nmz787 | 23:00 |
| chris_99 | although i can't see anyone who makes them | 23:00 |
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| fenn | jeepers that's a steep curve http://bitcoin.sipa.be/ looks like about a 3 month doubling time for hash rate | 23:49 |
| justanotheruser | fenn: more interesting http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth-small.png | 23:49 |
| fenn | yeah i dont know what that means | 23:50 |
| justanotheruser | fenn: it is the 2nd derivative of hashrate | 23:50 |
| justanotheruser | its more like 140 days with 0.5% daily increase | 23:50 |
| justanotheruser | I doubt it will quadruple in the next year | 23:51 |
| fenn | is hashrate growth inversely proportional to liquidity? | 23:52 |
| justanotheruser | hashrate grows proportionally to price * technology | 23:52 |
| fenn | if people cant buy bitcoins they invest in mining hardware | 23:52 |
| justanotheruser | technology = hash/$ | 23:52 |
| justanotheruser | no | 23:52 |
| justanotheruser | mining is an equilibrium | 23:53 |
| justanotheruser | it is very close to costing 1btc/btc to generate | 23:53 |
| justanotheruser | bitcoins are probably easier to get that mining equipment anyways | 23:53 |
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| justanotheruser | the hashrate is falling recently because of price decrease, but it seems to be still growing rapidly if you ignore the price | 23:56 |
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| fenn | do i have to compile this in order to read it? https://github.com/citp/bitcoin-sok | 23:56 |
| justanotheruser | https://i.imgur.com/9aEbagl.png | 23:56 |
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