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| fenn | nsfw http://36.media.tumblr.com/9225af892e44ff000338c20147b07835/tumblr_n847ldVArr1tawanxo1_1280.png | 00:46 |
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| nmz787 | neutral atom microscope, 1 meter^3 real estate req., detector is mass-spectrometer which converts a partial-pressure of the neutral atom to an intensity value in software to generate an image ... | 01:19 |
| nmz787 | ... http://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1111&context=phy_fac&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fscholar.google.com%2Fscholar%3Fq%3Dhigh%2Bpressure%2B%2522neutral%2Batom%2522%2Bmolecular%2Bmicroscopy%2Bwater%26btnG%3D%26hl%3Den%26as_sdt%3D0%252C38#search=%22high%20pressure%20neutral%20atom%20molecular%20microscopy%20water%22 | 01:19 |
| nmz787 | I wonder if distilled water could be used | 01:19 |
| nmz787 | 1.5uM resolution achieved | 01:19 |
| nmz787 | "Such a beam has an energy of under 0.1 eV. This is only somewhat higher than the average room temperature thermal energy of gas molecules and of the sample molecules themselves. Yet the de Broglie wavelength is under 1 angstrom" | 01:20 |
| nmz787 | http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2818.2007.01874.x/abstract | 01:23 |
| nmz787 | .title | 01:23 |
| yoleaux | Imaging with neutral atoms—a new matter-wave microscope - KOCH - 2007 - Journal of Microscopy - Wiley Online Library | 01:23 |
| nmz787 | "Matter-wave microscopy can be dated back to 1932 when Max Knoll and Ernst Ruska published the first image obtained with a beam of focussed electrons." | 01:23 |
| nmz787 | dang, not even 100 years | 01:24 |
| nmz787 | I will be around for the 100 year mark, hopefully | 01:24 |
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| fenn | how do you generate a detectable quantity of whatever substance you're imaging without destroying the sample? | 02:06 |
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| fenn | i dont think the detector is a mass spectrometer | 02:08 |
| fenn | "a mass filtered detector produces the image (pixel) intensity signal from gas partial pressure" | 02:11 |
| fenn | it's detecting the neutral atoms you're using to image with, not atoms from the sample | 02:12 |
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| fenn | it's such a simple idea i wonder why it's new | 02:15 |
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| kanzure | "speculative hilarity" | 05:10 |
| kanzure | http://firstround.com/article/This-Startup-Built-Internal-Tools-to-Fuel-Major-Growth-Heres-Their-Approach | 05:21 |
| kanzure | https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25839 "Someone was going to serious effort to keep curve25519 out of WebCrypto. What's this one called, SENTRY CHICKEN?" | 05:37 |
| kanzure | (with apologies for wasting your time) "ethical ai" http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.1373 | 05:49 |
| kanzure | .title http://www.wired.com/2014/11/crypto-ipos/ | 06:08 |
| yoleaux | Feds Begin Their Crackdown on Bitcoin Stocks | WIRED | 06:08 |
| kanzure | "The difficulty of writing consensus critical code: the SIGHASH_SINGLE bug" http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/bitcoin-development/thread/CA%2Bs%2BGJCtXDwPitrL-O-E5xMKq0HDri4zLdcDBoZQ%2B00ee63Tbg%40mail.gmail.com/ | 06:16 |
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| kanzure | hmm | 06:36 |
| kanzure | https://labs.integrity.pt/articles/from-0-day-to-exploit-buffer-overflow-in-belkin-n750-cve-2014-1635/ | 06:38 |
| kanzure | wirelurker http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=4140 | 06:40 |
| kanzure | "The real issue is that the design of iOS’ pairing mechanism allows for more sophisticated variants of this approach to easily be weaponized. I’ve previously written about how non-jailbroken devices can be infected with modified binaries, due to Apple’s lack of codesign pinning. I’ve also discussed at length about how malicious software can abuse the pairing records of a desktop machine to install malware on an iOS device. While ... | 06:40 |
| kanzure | ... WireLurker appears fairly amateur, an NSA or a GCHQ, or any other sophisticated attacker could easily incorporate a much more effective (and dangerous) attack like this." | 06:40 |
| kanzure | http://blog.spiderlabs.com/2014/11/smuggler-an-interactive-80211-wireless-shell-without-the-need-for-authentication-or-association.html | 06:41 |
| kanzure | "What if I could create a two-way covert communications channel? Furthermore, what could I create without the fuss of association and authentication that is usually required in wireless networks before such communications can begin? What if an attacker could send commands and receive the output on this channel? .... I expanded on the proof of concepts already discussed to create a tool called Smuggler. It is a two-way covert communications ... | 06:42 |
| kanzure | ... channel, which consists of an interactive wireless shell without the need for association or authentication." | 06:42 |
| kanzure | "Using graph analysis to determine the scale of cryptowall BTC ransom payments" http://blog.cylance.com/tearing-down-cryptowall | 06:42 |
| fenn | how can you even copy and paste that fast | 06:43 |
| kanzure | "Crypto 101 is an introductory course on cryptography" https://crypto101.github.io/ | 06:45 |
| kanzure | vulnerabilities and exploits go in one ear and out through a finger, i guess | 06:46 |
| kanzure | pure-python tls/ssl library https://github.com/trevp/tlslite | 06:53 |
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| kanzure | what type of diagram is this http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/270968/file-1976167660-png/bots/cryptowall/new_sibling.png?t=1415321234400 | 06:58 |
| audy | prittty | 07:02 |
| audy | kanzure force directed graph? | 07:02 |
| audy | kanzure looks like d3.js anyway | 07:02 |
| yorick | audy: it's not a standard force-directed one though | 07:03 |
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| audy | I want to share scientific data. Collaborator says no. Papers have been published on said data. Who really "owns" the data and what's to stop me from uploading it to the pirate bay? | 07:03 |
| yorick | audy: I have no idea what that is, looks like all the lines have the same curve though | 07:03 |
| audy | yorick right unless there's some negative gravity. d3.js can do the line curve thing | 07:03 |
| kanzure | your data is probably owned by the university because of your employment contract | 07:04 |
| audy | kanzure ah, yeah I signed over my IP | 07:04 |
| audy | but data was generated by multiple universities under multiple grants | 07:04 |
| kanzure | the number one thing stopping you from uploading it to piratebay is that piratebay does not let anyone upload data | 07:04 |
| audy | kanzure okay well to napster or something | 07:05 |
| audy | pastebin | 07:05 |
| kanzure | dead :( | 07:05 |
| kanzure | pastebin will remove pastes they hate | 07:05 |
| audy | newsgroups | 07:05 |
| kanzure | sort of dead? i don't know. | 07:05 |
| audy | mailing floppies to scientists who would be interested | 07:05 |
| audy | (means don't matter) | 07:05 |
| audy | I could embed it in the blockchain or something | 07:06 |
| audy | I wonder if the EFF has any experience in this? | 07:06 |
| PoorYorrick | audy, you can show proof of authorship in the blockchain pretty easily | 07:08 |
| PoorYorrick | http://www.proofofexistence.com/about | 07:09 |
| kanzure | that's not proof of authorship >:( | 07:09 |
| kanzure | python database wrapper exploration tool thing https://github.com/yhat/db.py | 07:09 |
| PoorYorrick | "Demonstrating data ownership without revealing actual data. " If that isn't an indicator of authorship, then I don't know what is. | 07:09 |
| kanzure | they are lying | 07:10 |
| PoorYorrick | Oh? | 07:11 |
| kanzure | having a hash does not prove ownership | 07:11 |
| kanzure | it proves you have a hash | 07:11 |
| PoorYorrick | Orly | 07:11 |
| PoorYorrick | Having a document doesn't prove authorship either... -_- | 07:11 |
| kanzure | exactly | 07:11 |
| kanzure | so you are being lied to | 07:11 |
| PoorYorrick | Not exactly. I mean, the first to publish an idea gets to take credit for it. Same principle just expressed in the public ledger. | 07:12 |
| kanzure | er.... | 07:12 |
| PoorYorrick | However... I haven't actually used them. But prima facie, I don't see much inherently wrong with it. I just wouldn't take it as "full proof". :D | 07:12 |
| kanzure | uh... so which is it. | 07:13 |
| PoorYorrick | Erhum. | 07:13 |
| kanzure | the only thing you can know about this is that someone submitted a hash. | 07:13 |
| PoorYorrick | What were we talking about again? I forget. | 07:13 |
| kanzure | you should be more skeptical and discerning about claims on random websites | 07:13 |
| PoorYorrick | kanzure, I wasn't being discerning? News to me. | 07:14 |
| * PoorYorrick genuflects before kanzure-sama | 07:14 | |
| PoorYorrick | Actually, now that I think about it more discerningly... what use case would necessitate having only a hash of something? Hmm... | 07:15 |
| PoorYorrick | audy, sorry, I think I just wasted your time. | 07:16 |
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| kanzure | a timestamped hash could show that some pile of data plausibly existed prior to some higher timestamp that someone else might claim is the real first timestamp, but meh | 07:24 |
| audy | PoorYorrick work is published on the data. I want to publish the raw data so others can replicate/benefit from it | 07:24 |
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| PoorYorrick | Hmm... | 07:32 |
| PoorYorrick | Is a publicly shared dropbox file out of the question? | 07:33 |
| audy | kanzure that is a good idea | 07:33 |
| audy | kanzure kind of like a pre-arxiv | 07:33 |
| audy | PoorYorrick I know how to share the data | 07:33 |
| audy | I am wondering if/how I am legally prohibited from doing so | 07:33 |
| audy | I don't think I am. No one technically "owns" the data | 07:34 |
| audy | so if I throw it on the web and slap a creative commons license on it I am not breaking any laws | 07:34 |
| PoorYorrick | I don't think data can be owned by anyone. But I'm not an IP lawyer. | 07:34 |
| audy | you wouldn't download a car | 07:35 |
| kanzure | who wouldn't? | 07:35 |
| audy | you wouldn't share a scientific relavent dataset about type-1 diabetes for the benefit of humanity | 07:35 |
| audy | (which was generated using public funds) | 07:35 |
| kanzure | unfortunately nobody would recognize the sarcasm there | 07:36 |
| kanzure | or that you're referring to the typical "you wouldn't download a song/car/thing-of-value". | 07:36 |
| PoorYorrick | Ah, the old scare-mongering of IP industries... | 07:38 |
| PoorYorrick | IP and copyright keeps humanity down; while propping up the few at the top, like publishers. | 07:39 |
| PoorYorrick | Reminds me of the gmaxwell-JSTOR case. | 07:39 |
| audy | PoorYorrick hmm? | 07:41 |
| audy | gmaxwell? | 07:41 |
| PoorYorrick | https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6554331/Papers_from_Philosophical_Transactions_of_the_Royal_Society__fro | 07:41 |
| audy | journals explicitly copyright articles. Data was never published so no one technically owns it yet | 07:42 |
| audy | but yeah :\ | 07:43 |
| PoorYorrick | Good. | 07:43 |
| kanzure | companies can own data prior to publication | 07:43 |
| kanzure | (obv. i am talking about law there) | 07:43 |
| audy | who is gmaxwell? Not Aaron Swartz? | 07:43 |
| PoorYorrick | No, Gregory Maxwell. | 07:43 |
| PoorYorrick | He's a bitcoin dev to boot. | 07:44 |
| audy | boatcoin http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Gmaxwell-boat.jpg | 07:44 |
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| delinquentme | dev pay grades | 09:11 |
| delinquentme | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Mr201gfDoOTe5ONLS6LYJi1wQbtT26srXeSwUjMK0A/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true | 09:11 |
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| cuba | where is paperbot :( | 09:24 |
| kanzure | stovokor | 09:25 |
| cuba | rip paperbot | 09:26 |
| kanzure | http://www.rtl-sdr.com/receiving-dead-satellites-rtl-sdr/ | 09:28 |
| heath | .title https://www.joyent.com/blog/sdc-and-manta-are-now-open-source | 09:31 |
| yoleaux | SmartDataCenter and Manta are now open source - Blog - Joyent | 09:31 |
| heath | https://gist.github.com/trentm/ce1b6a9db28665f57413 | 09:31 |
| heath | .title | 09:31 |
| yoleaux | SDC and Manta open sourced repos, with a couple more interesting ones at the top, then alphabetical order. https://www.joyent.com/blog/sdc-and-manta-are-now-open-source | 09:31 |
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| heath | i'm not sure if this is legal, but i've been using digital ocean for near free storage | 10:13 |
| heath | 1. create droplet | 10:13 |
| heath | 2. scp ze data | 10:13 |
| heath | 3. halt droplet | 10:13 |
| heath | 4. create snapshot | 10:13 |
| heath | 5. destroy droplet | 10:13 |
| heath | i've ben using tugboat for managing this process, but it would be easier with a script | 10:17 |
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| heath | s/ben/been | 10:18 |
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| heath | have these shipped yet? https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openbci/openbci-an-open-source-brain-computer-interface-fo | 10:28 |
| yorick | heath: they *should* have | 10:30 |
| yorick | https://openbci.myshopify.com/ expected delivery: nov 10th, 2014 | 10:30 |
| kanzure | http://funcy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html | 10:32 |
| heath | fn.py for a fun time | 10:34 |
| heath | https://github.com/kachayev/fn.py | 10:34 |
| kjskjskjs | heath: digitalocean doesn't charge you for snapshot storage? | 10:49 |
| heath | kjskjskjs: The price for snapshots will be $0.02 per GB of snapshot storage per month. | 11:00 |
| heath | """ | 11:00 |
| heath | .title http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2014/11/06.aspx | 11:00 |
| yoleaux | 2014/11/06 DARPA’s EZ BAA Cuts Red Tape to Speed Funding of New Biotech Ideas | 11:00 |
| kjskjskjs | that sounds 1000% legal then | 11:06 |
| kjskjskjs | what's the latency on snapshot access? | 11:07 |
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| heath | kjskjskjs: i didn't realize i was being charged for it, it has been so little of a charge :) | 11:38 |
| heath | kjskjskjs: depends on the time of day/load on their end it seems | 11:38 |
| heath | ~5 - 15mins | 11:38 |
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| kanzure | heath: here's a fun name... blockstein. | 12:03 |
| kanzure | oh wait, no | 12:04 |
| kanzure | .wik azolla | 12:14 |
| yoleaux | "Azolla (mosquito fern, duckweed fern, fairy moss, water fern) is a genus of seven species of aquatic ferns in the family Salviniaceae. They are extremely reduced in form and specialized, looking nothing like conventional ferns but more resembling duckweed or some mosses." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla | 12:14 |
| kanzure | eleitl has a bioreactor scheme involving azolla | 12:14 |
| kanzure | .wik azolla event | 12:14 |
| yoleaux | "The Azolla event occurred in the middle Eocene epoch, around 49 million years ago, when blooms of the freshwater fern Azolla are thought to have happened in the Arctic Ocean." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azolla_event | 12:14 |
| ParahSailin_ | those guys sequence azolla with a kickstarter | 12:16 |
| kanzure | https://experiment.com/projects/azolla-a-little-fern-with-massive-green-potential | 12:17 |
| kanzure | ah | 12:17 |
| ParahSailin_ | man that is one long hiseq run | 12:18 |
| ParahSailin_ | normally the machine finishes in like 3 days | 12:18 |
| ParahSailin_ | this ones been going since july | 12:18 |
| kanzure | "As of Aug 26, 2014, they passed $1M raised on their platform." | 12:19 |
| kanzure | took them long enough | 12:19 |
| kanzure | "There's a research group for azolla in .nl" | 12:19 |
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| kanzure | https://github.com/koodilehto/kryptoradio/wiki/Satoshi-float | 12:35 |
| kanzure | "Satoshi Float is a very space efficient binary floating point representation of bitcoin amounts from 0 to 161 bitcoins. When serialized, its footprint is only 8 bits. Of course it is not sufficient for most uses but it can be used to describe the magnitude of bitcoins in accuracy of about ±5 percents." | 12:35 |
| kanzure | although this seems to make more sense in general http://dec64.org/ | 12:36 |
| justanotheruser | PoorYorrick: pls | 13:15 |
| heath | hp's new computer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnf_lHxPdE | 13:17 |
| heath | .title | 13:17 |
| yoleaux | sprout features | sprout by hp - YouTube | 13:17 |
| heath | s/computer/desktop | 13:18 |
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| nmz787_i | heath: saw that yesterday on my company news portal | 14:00 |
| justanotheruser | heath: thats pretty cool | 14:00 |
| nmz787_i | heath: seems like it could be cool.. says they're working on incorporating 3d scanning | 14:00 |
| chris_99 | i was hoping it'd be their fancy computer that uses photons | 14:01 |
| justanotheruser | chris_99: so a camera? | 14:21 |
| nmz787_i | probably photons for CPU/motherboard operations | 14:23 |
| nmz787_i | operations/interconnect paths | 14:23 |
| chris_99 | http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184165-hp-bets-it-all-on-the-machine-a-new-computer-architecture-based-on-memristors-and-silicon-photonics | 14:26 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: I believe Intel has a network device that is pumping photons further into the computer than before (them ending at the fiber LAN card) | 14:31 |
| chris_99 | you mean doing some kind of computation with them too? | 14:32 |
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| nmz787_i | I can't find the reference I was thinking I saw recently, but this looks cool http://www.eejournal.com/archives/articles/20141013-photonics/ | 14:37 |
| chris_99 | interesting, can you make logic gates using photons in someway | 14:40 |
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| nmz787_i | yeah probably | 14:42 |
| chris_99 | mmm apparently you can http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_computing#Photonic_logic not sure how though | 14:42 |
| chris_99 | btw just been playing with my Saleae 16 logic analyser clone, with Sigrok, seems to work really well, much better than the open logic sniffer thing that i've used before | 14:47 |
| heath | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmleO7X0BRU | 14:52 |
| yoleaux | OpenTrons Kickstarter Video - YouTube | 14:52 |
| heath | they've got to market this or they aren't going to reach their goal | 14:52 |
| nmz787_i | nice | 14:55 |
| nmz787_i | yeah they're cheap too | 14:55 |
| nmz787_i | err, I am thinking the 8 channel | 14:55 |
| chris_99 | yeah i got the 16, it has a xilinx fpga in too | 14:55 |
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| justanotheruser | what cool stuff is on KS right now? | 15:35 |
| streety | the only other project of some interest I've seen recently is the Open qPCR - I haven't been looking very hard though | 15:55 |
| justanotheruser | seems something the FDA would like to stop | 15:57 |
| chris_99 | i ordered this from KS https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/903107259/scio-your-sixth-sense-a-pocket-molecular-sensor-fo (whether it works is a different matter ;) | 15:59 |
| justanotheruser | well it has a swedish guy talking so its probably legit | 16:02 |
| chris_99 | haha | 16:02 |
| justanotheruser | I think swedish people add legitemacy to any technology project | 16:02 |
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| heath | .title http://www.nature.com/news/interactive-notebooks-sharing-the-code-1.16261 | 17:22 |
| yoleaux | Interactive notebooks: Sharing the code : Nature News & Comment | 17:22 |
| heath | .title http://www.nature.com/news/ipython-interactive-demo-7.21492 | 17:22 |
| yoleaux | IPython interactive demo : Nature News & Comment | 17:22 |
| heath | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8563028 | 17:22 |
| heath | linked from there | 17:22 |
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| heath | fenn: http://www.wired.com/2014/10/velodyne-martini-boat/ | 17:40 |
| heath | .title | 17:40 |
| yoleaux | This Self-Stabilizing Boat's Deck Is Always Flat, Even in Rough Waters | WIRED | 17:40 |
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| JayDugger | Good morning, everyone. | 23:30 |
| justanotheruser | good morning JayDugger | 23:44 |
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