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| kanzure | https://github.com/petertodd/hacker-barbie-visits-the-agency/blob/master/hacker-barbie-visits-the-agency.md | 06:00 |
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| kanzure | "Escaping the Safari sandbox with a kernel GPU bug" http://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2014/11/pwn4fun-spring-2014-safari-part-ii.html | 06:06 |
| kanzure | hmm https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib | 06:39 |
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| kanzure | 07:50 <+sbp> kanzure: http://dpaste.com/0H8G77H#wrap | 08:26 |
| kanzure | 07:51 <+kanzure> that's the most boring story ever | 08:26 |
| kanzure | 07:52 <+kanzure> is the author a moron? | 08:26 |
| kanzure | 07:57 <+sbp> not sure if joking / or most hilarious thing you ever said | 08:26 |
| kanzure | 07:58 -!- sbp changed the topic of #swhack to: Swhack! Surely you're joking, Mr kanzure | 08:26 |
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| sheena | since people here know everything, i'm looking for evidence/science around essential oils interacting with containers/substances. Basically, the "common knowledge" is that if you keep EOs in glass, you're fine. Some metal is "okay" with some EOs, and plastic generally sucks. I want to find like, science on this, for the purposes of deciding what the best container is to keep EOs in long term... | 08:42 |
| sheena | someone had something before | 08:42 |
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| delinquentme | HAPPY FOOD CELEBRATION FRIENDS | 10:38 |
| delinquentme | <3 | 10:38 |
| JayDugger | Write someone a thank you note today. | 10:42 |
| JayDugger | If no one else comes to mind, send it to the person who sells you antacids. | 10:42 |
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| pasky_ | kanzure: that really is a boring one | 10:47 |
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| nmz787_t | what happened to gnusha? now irssi won't open for me there (though this webchat gave me no guff) | 13:13 |
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| chris_99 | is a darkfield microscope the same as a metallurgical one, does anyone know? | 14:14 |
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| chris_99 | oh apparently you can get brightfield/darkfield reflected microscopes | 14:48 |
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| ebowden_ | paperbot: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.4161/cc.9.4.10932#preview | 16:46 |
| ebowden_ | paperbot: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17123784 | 16:47 |
| kanzure | pasky_: ha | 16:53 |
| kanzure | paperbot is out of commission | 16:53 |
| superkuh | And lib gen (the mirrors I know) are down. :| | 16:59 |
| superkuh | Or at least saturated. | 16:59 |
| kanzure | https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/blob_plain/HEAD:/src/or/circuitbuild.c | 17:01 |
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| fenn | why are we looking at the tor source code? | 17:22 |
| kanzure | all sorts of reasons | 17:23 |
| kanzure | not being completely full of shit is one of them | 17:23 |
| fenn | i don't trust myself to audit that kind of code anyway | 17:23 |
| kanzure | well not audit | 17:23 |
| kanzure | an at least highly-vague passing familiarity with the structs and functions | 17:24 |
| fenn | maybe if it said "if ptr_type==hacker_IP { do nsa.log("hacker detected") } | 17:24 |
| fenn | i used to know C :( | 17:24 |
| kanzure | "hey guys i found it" | 17:24 |
| kanzure | apparently there is no generic onion routing library | 17:25 |
| fenn | uh.. what do you call tor then | 17:26 |
| kanzure | why should setting up network interfaces be required | 17:26 |
| fenn | are you serious | 17:26 |
| kanzure | "libtor" isn't what you think | 17:26 |
| fenn | did you mean: lipitor? | 17:27 |
| kanzure | "We've long discussed possibly creating a shared library. You're not the first and you won't be the last to suggest it - You're simply the most annoying, we all wish you'd knock it off but that's probably a lost cause." | 17:27 |
| kanzure | It's not clear what you'd gain and it's quite clear that it has major downsides. There are a lot of problems (network load being a great example) that would result from running different instances of Tor in every application." | 17:27 |
| kanzure | hmm. | 17:27 |
| kanzure | "Consider using 'torsocks' for applications where you want to use Tor as a library; it will handle all of the rough edges for you and it uses SOCKS to talk to Tor. You can have multiple configurations, one per application or other weird configs. As a bonus, it's a linkable library. This is how we handle ttdnsd and Tor (though that's with tsocks) interactions." | 17:28 |
| fenn | a shared library wouldn't need to run different instances in every application | 17:29 |
| kanzure | also maybe that shared library isn't literally running a tor node (maybe it's using some tor-related primitives for other reasons) | 17:29 |
| fenn | it seems like the sort of thing that should be handled with a daemon, and i guess it is | 17:30 |
| kanzure | so one idea for defeating timing attacks against tor is to introduce arbitrarily long delays into your communication over tor | 17:31 |
| fenn | yep | 17:34 |
| fenn | the relay node has to introduce the delay tho | 17:34 |
| fenn | it could also be implemented as a queue that packs together a bunch of packets and sends it through | 17:35 |
| fenn | not necessarily from the same source/destination | 17:35 |
| fenn | the amount of variation is inversely proportional to the number of packets going through; latency goes down with more traffic, the opposite of usual | 17:38 |
| fenn | i think; probably need to run a simulation to check (not my job anyway) | 17:39 |
| kanzure | 23:48 < bramm> gmaxwell, On your list of things which don't exist, re: high latency mixes, that's what pynchon gate is, but there's been little interest in it so it hasn't been built. | 17:39 |
| kanzure | http://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/sassaman:wpes2005.pdf | 17:39 |
| kanzure | andytoshi: ^ | 17:39 |
| andytoshi | thx kanzure | 17:41 |
| andytoshi | ah "hasn't been built" is what i forgot he said :p | 17:41 |
| kanzure | damn i should have extracted more from len while he was still among the living | 17:42 |
| kanzure | i ran into him once in person (well, more often online) | 17:42 |
| fenn | the idea of mail mixers has been around for the entire life of the internet; how is this still not a thing? | 17:42 |
| kanzure | i guess this should be discussed in -wizards | 17:42 |
| fenn | i was a wizard before it was cool | 17:43 |
| kanzure | well i mean asking bram himself seems like a useful thing to do | 17:43 |
| kanzure | since he was a coauthor on this specific paper | 17:43 |
| Qfwfq | Last I heard Mixminion had been abandoned, but didn't Chaum describe a construction anonymous-remailers-with-replies in like the 80s? | 17:44 |
| fenn | first time i've seen a "you must pay $5 to repost this paper online" notice | 17:46 |
| fenn | "Mixminion is not under active development, and probably will not work if you try to use it" | 17:49 |
| kanzure | protocol spec http://web.archive.org/web/20090406081037/http://www.abditum.com/pynchon | 17:50 |
| kanzure | http://web.archive.org/web/20090408052657/http://freehaven.net/pynchon/doc/pynchon-spec.txt | 17:51 |
| kanzure | man when you have arrow diagrams with "email" in some label text you know you have taken a wrong turn in life | 17:52 |
| kanzure | <-----> email <-----> /dev/null | 17:52 |
| fenn | yeah i don't really see the point of focus on email in particular | 17:55 |
| fenn | something about it being high latency i guess | 17:55 |
| fenn | except not really because people don't write many emails vs clicking on stuff | 17:55 |
| kanzure | maybe it was something like "let's use the example of email because people may have trouble imagining other uses, and they already tend to be okay with delays checking their physical mailboxes.." | 17:57 |
| kanzure | .wik mixmaster anonymous remailer | 18:01 |
| yoleaux | "Mixmaster is a Type II anonymous remailer which sends messages in fixed-size packets and reorders them, preventing anyone watching the messages go in and out of remailers from tracing them. It is an implementation of a Chaumian Mix network" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixmaster_anonymous_remailer | 18:01 |
| kanzure | type 2! | 18:02 |
| kanzure | types: 1, 2 | 18:02 |
| kanzure | .wik chaumian mix network | 18:02 |
| yoleaux | "Talk:Mix network" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AMix_network | 18:02 |
| kanzure | .wik mix network | 18:02 |
| yoleaux | "Mix networks are routing protocols that create hard-to-trace communications by using a chain of proxy servers known as mixes which take in messages from multiple senders, shuffle them, and send them back out in random order to the next destination (possibly another mix node)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mix_network | 18:02 |
| kanzure | http://www.whogotfunded.com/people/208868-anselm-levskaya | 18:04 |
| kanzure | "Deals involving Anselm Levskaya: $9,994,393 raised with Cambrian Genomics Inc on November, 2014" | 18:04 |
| fenn | that's real money | 18:04 |
| Qfwfq | I think the focus on e-mail is that you can insert random waits between sending and receiving without anyone really caring (which makes mitigating traffic analysis easier.) | 18:06 |
| kanzure | email is not the only possible protocol that can tolerate latency | 18:06 |
| fenn | also "how much latency" | 18:07 |
| Qfwfq | Yeah, but web browsing, IM, and remote shell tend not to. | 18:07 |
| fenn | if you're the only email received by the mixer in that hour, it doesn't matter if you waited an hour | 18:07 |
| Qfwfq | I think that's a function of the number of messages in the system | 18:07 |
| kanzure | you need to wait like a week or a month, or let the system decide on its own somehow | 18:08 |
| Qfwfq | But however long it takes it's expected to be present in the succeeding batch | 18:08 |
| fenn | you must wait over 9000 years | 18:08 |
| fenn | by then anyone spying on you will be dead | 18:08 |
| Qfwfq | So you can prove misbehaviour or whatever | 18:08 |
| Qfwfq | I should get breakfast afk | 18:08 |
| kanzure | fenn: i believe you have solved the problem | 18:09 |
| fenn | sometimes it just takes a little out of the box thinking | 18:09 |
| fenn | it kinda hurts to read again these heinlein stories i read as a kid, where the hero gumshoe is using sleight of hand to slip a false label onto the automated pneumatic mail system in order to foil his tail | 18:12 |
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| fenn | or like, they don't have radio communication with the colonists because it's too far away | 18:13 |
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| kanzure | er, fenn died? | 18:21 |
| Qfwfq | kanzure: You have my condolences, I'm so sorry. | 18:24 |
| kanzure | http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-868j-the-society-of-mind-fall-2011/video-lectures/ | 18:28 |
| kanzure | cc maaku_ | 18:28 |
| kanzure | (uh, not that i would promote this material as being worth anyone's time) | 18:29 |
| kanzure | (it is unlikely that videos are an optimal way to receive anything at all) | 18:29 |
| kanzure | "Memoir on Inventing the Confocal Scanning Microscope" http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/ConfocalMemoir.html | 18:30 |
| kanzure | "a framework for representing knowledge" http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/papers/Frames/frames.html | 18:31 |
| kanzure | "Well, let’s first observe that this claim must be wrong, because it is self-contradictory. For, if you can tell me that you have experienced sweetness then, somehow, that sensation has caused your mouth to move! So clearly, there must be some ‘physical instrument’ in your brain that recognized the mental activity that embodies your experience" | 18:33 |
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| kanzure | logbot needs to be configured to use sasl | 18:35 |
| kanzure | does sasl correctly kill ghosts? | 18:36 |
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| fenn_ | sasl doesn't ghost nicks but it seems to work fine for multiple logged in sessions using the same credentials | 19:00 |
| fenn_ | both fenn and i have the same cloak | 19:00 |
| kanzure | oh that is weird | 19:01 |
| kanzure | i wonder how that works | 19:01 |
| fenn | hm what color am i | 19:02 |
| kanzure | perfect, now i can flaunt my non-affiliation in all the best irc channels | 19:02 |
| kanzure | i am with the anonymous group, Unaffiliated | 19:02 |
| kanzure | my bad, i mean the Anonymous group, Unaffiliated | 19:02 |
| fenn_ | we are legion | 19:02 |
| kanzure | maybe not | 19:03 |
| fenn_ | we are pretty forgiving | 19:03 |
| kanzure | speak for yourself | 19:03 |
| kanzure | i do not forget | 19:03 |
| kanzure | i do not forgive | 19:03 |
| kanzure | bring me papers | 19:03 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoHAp14lYoc | 19:04 |
| fenn | ok i am rapidly running out of screens | 19:04 |
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| kanzure | nsh: i think a tagging system would make more sense anyway | 19:07 |
| kanzure | having a pile of filenames is just not very useful | 19:07 |
| nsh | agreed | 19:08 |
| kanzure | i already have a hard enough time mapping "oh i read that in a paper" to "this is the paper that says the thing" | 19:08 |
| fenn | new directions in frobnography: quo vadis? | 19:08 |
| nsh | really, we need a system to tag with minimum overhead when scanning/reading with concepts | 19:08 |
| nsh | then all for portions of papers to be reconstructed from the graph | 19:08 |
| superkuh | Recoll full text search is pretty handy. | 19:08 |
| kanzure | let's call it a conceptron or a perceptron | 19:08 |
| nsh | but you need something like semantic wikipedia first | 19:09 |
| nsh | so, as usual, we have to fix everything before we can fix anything | 19:09 |
| kanzure | yeah let's not make ideas that require "semantic mediawiki" to work | 19:09 |
| kanzure | yeah no thanks | 19:09 |
| nsh | hey, i was totally going to do that in 2004 | 19:09 |
| nsh | just, distractions and stuff... | 19:09 |
| fenn | i was joking when i said paperbot would read the papers for you, but it's actually a good idea | 19:09 |
| kanzure | paper quality metric | 19:09 |
| nsh | well, paperbot can extract SIPs (statis. improb. phrases) | 19:10 |
| nsh | then you can use that for naive tagging | 19:10 |
| superkuh | I often listen to my computer reading papers. | 19:10 |
| fenn | there are bazillions of "document clustering" and "topic modelling" algos out there | 19:10 |
| nsh | but it's not really the clustering or modeling we want | 19:10 |
| fenn | i really have no idea what sort of output they generate | 19:10 |
| nsh | it's the reconstruction of content in conceptually relevant ways | 19:10 |
| kanzure | there have been about 2600 paperbot requests | 19:10 |
| fenn | nsh: can't you do supervised learning tho? | 19:11 |
| nsh | dunnomaybesuredunno | 19:11 |
| kanzure | how did you guys go from filenaming to "okay let's create artificial general intelligence" | 19:12 |
| fenn | when setting up sasl with irssi you have to do /network freenode -hosts irc.freenode.net | 19:12 |
| kanzure | that's only if you do not have a freenode network already | 19:13 |
| fenn | right, well, it was a stupid thing that wasn't obvious | 19:13 |
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| fenn | document clustering is just statistics on word frequencies | 19:14 |
| kanzure | what does that have to do with his hatred of %20 | 19:15 |
| fenn | if you're going to start tagging stuff, uh, how would you access the documents tagged with a particular tag? | 19:15 |
| fenn | you could surf to papers/$tag/ | 19:16 |
| kanzure | p7p3rz/$tag2+$tag2 | 19:16 |
| fenn | uh, i guess i was thinking a paper would be titled with some other crap that represented its tags | 19:17 |
| kanzure | nah probably just some yaml file with tag maps | 19:17 |
| kanzure | or stuff | 19:17 |
| fenn | that's useless | 19:17 |
| kanzure | well how does jotmuch do it | 19:17 |
| fenn | a tiny gnome scribe with a magic quill | 19:18 |
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| fenn | how does jotmuch do it? | 19:18 |
| kanzure | xapian :/ | 19:19 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/davidlazar/jotmuch/blob/master/jot#L110 | 19:19 |
| fenn | but how do you browse a tag, what's the interface? | 19:20 |
| kanzure | jot search tag:blah AND tag:foo AND site:yo.com | 19:20 |
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| fenn | oo random bookmark, how 1990s | 19:24 |
| kanzure | returns a list | 19:24 |
| fenn | "hotlist" | 19:24 |
| fenn | .wik hotlist | 19:24 |
| yoleaux | "Hotlist is a geo-social networking aggregator that enables users to coordinate plans with friends and discover what will be happening at millions of popular venues all over the world. Hotlist's web platform and iPhone app are the only Location-based services that emphasize plans." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotlist | 19:24 |
| fenn | pff | 19:24 |
| kanzure | sounds like marketing promo | 19:25 |
| fenn | "A list of frequently accessed documents. The term is often used to describe a list of Web pages that you keep in one place for easy access. In Netscape Navigator, the hotlist is called the bookmark list." | 19:25 |
| fenn | back before search engines people would stick a pile of links on their homepage, usually labeled "hotlist" or somesuch | 19:26 |
| fenn | NCSA mosaic used the term hotlist instead of bookmarks | 19:27 |
| kanzure | so why did you mention random, again? | 19:31 |
| fenn | it's an option in jot | 19:33 |
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| kanzure | oh | 19:34 |
| fenn | i recommend never using wikipedia's "random page" function unless you want to become depressed | 19:35 |
| fenn | extending jot to people tagging is maybe a good idea | 19:39 |
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| kanzure | yes probably.. | 19:41 |
| fenn | i'd rather not have to prefix with tag: though | 19:43 |
| kanzure | thats only when searching so far | 19:43 |
| kanzure | i think they are dumping the search string straight into xapian | 19:44 |
| fenn | it searches the archived html (if you haven't archived anything, it doesn't return anything) | 19:44 |
| kanzure | oh i see. | 19:44 |
| kanzure | "The "addrindex" branch (first post) currently requires about 37 GB on mainnet, but this one is fully optimized for the purpose of getting unspent outputs of any address, so it should be less. Given the amount of responses and activity on GitHub, it should be solid. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/5048 " | 19:48 |
| fenn | there should also be an easy automatic way to output a list of all tags sorted by number of bookmark/people/whatever with that tag | 19:50 |
| fenn | or by date | 19:50 |
| fenn | or some kind of 'median date of tag' | 19:51 |
| kanzure | at one point i had implemented something like "trending uprising tags in well-known large clusters" | 19:52 |
| kanzure | however, my dataset is not extremely granular | 19:52 |
| kanzure | per-conversation tagging is just not that excellent | 19:52 |
| kanzure | really what i have is per-day-per-person conversational tagging | 19:53 |
| kanzure | which is even worse :) | 19:53 |
| fenn | per day is good enough | 19:54 |
| kanzure | marginally better than nothing | 19:55 |
| kanzure | (new lesswrong competitor) | 19:55 |
| fenn | marginallyincorrect | 19:55 |
| kanzure | "grave danger" | 19:57 |
| kanzure | i wonder how "i hope time traveling ai will forgive me" translates to | 19:57 |
| fenn | onlymeat | 20:05 |
| fenn | i'm surprised eudoxia hasn't shown up yet to complain about logs being down | 20:06 |
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| fenn | superkuh do you have any opinion on recoll vs metatracker | 20:48 |
| fenn | (aka tracker-search) | 20:48 |
| fenn | it takes a long time to build an index with tracker since i have so many files | 20:49 |
| superkuh | tracker's index always corrupts. | 20:50 |
| superkuh | A month, maybe two. | 20:50 |
| superkuh | Never an issue with recoll. | 20:50 |
| superkuh | Plus it's really hard to get tracker to run on even slightly old systems. | 20:53 |
| superkuh | At least versions that work. | 20:53 |
| fenn | why is that? | 20:53 |
| fenn | dependencies in the metadata extractors? | 20:53 |
| fenn | guess i'll try recoll then | 20:59 |
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| augur | i had a cute idea for a widget | 22:23 |
| augur | you should take a fourier transform from a microphone, and translate it into physical vibration (but at a scaled down frequency, of course) and wear this on your arm or something | 22:24 |
| augur | hearing people could use it for out-of-range frequencies, deaf people could use it for typical frequencies or others | 22:25 |
| augur | it might, in fact, be able to restore hearing, to a degree. tho not the qualitative aspects | 22:25 |
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| maaku_ | kanzure: awesome!! i've wanted to see minsky's lectures for a long time | 22:57 |
| maaku_ | i think he's a crank and his theories mostly useless from a practical standpoint, but interesting nonetheless | 22:58 |
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| maaku | i should be kinder. society of mind is a good descriptive framework for explaining thought | 23:03 |
| maaku | it's just not constructivist -- it explains what/why but not how | 23:03 |
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| augur | maaku: thats not really true | 23:36 |
| augur | the society of mind framework is highly how-oriented | 23:37 |
| augur | and its been used/implemented to various extents | 23:37 |
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