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| archels | kanzure: interesting, didn't know about the Allen Institute for AI either. Seems very antagonistic to its biological counterpart--they might as well have called it the Allen Inst for GOFAI | 02:24 |
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| JayDugger | GOFAI? | 04:18 |
| JayDugger | FAI, I get... | 04:18 |
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| JayDugger | http://regexcrossword.com/, for those who've not seen it. | 04:24 |
| archels | good old fashioned AI | 04:25 |
| archels | or "symbolic" AI, if you will | 04:25 |
| JayDugger | Thank you, archels. | 04:28 |
| JayDugger | It has been a long, long, sleepless week. | 04:29 |
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| pasky | I don't think they are particularly GOFAI, are they? at least I've seen some recent papers from them on deep learning etc. | 05:52 |
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| archels | I only looked through the list of papers on their website, perhaps that's not all there is | 06:07 |
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| kanzure | lots of text extraction / NLP boringness | 06:51 |
| kanzure | allen brain institute is like 200 years ahead of them | 06:52 |
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| archels | hehe | 07:14 |
| archels | yes indeed | 07:14 |
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| fenn | hah "minimal design limits scope of supply chain attacks" https://www.crowdsupply.com/inverse-path/usb-armory | 07:53 |
| kanzure | an 8th grader emailed me some "biohacking interview questions", | 07:55 |
| kanzure | "4. What projects have actually affected society ?" | 07:55 |
| kanzure | "5. How has biohacking helped the public world ?" | 07:55 |
| fenn | those questions were probably required as part of the school assignment, don't give the kid so much credit | 07:55 |
| kanzure | right | 07:56 |
| kanzure | "Your school sucks kid, I am sorry." | 07:56 |
| fenn | "nothing matters, we're all going to be forgotten in the heat death of the universe. moral relativism ftl" | 07:57 |
| kanzure | "1. What are the effective tools that biohackers use to hack?" i told him about synthesizers, sequencers and polymerase chain reaction (read, write, copy) | 07:58 |
| fenn | today's class assignment is to find something that has helped the world. justfiy your choice in three double spaced pages. | 07:58 |
| fenn | how about computers and open source software | 07:58 |
| kanzure | "2. How was biohacking started ?" i babbled about null hypotheses and leeuwenhoek, and then 1960s dna synthesis and 1960s calcium chloride transformation, and 1980s polymerase chain reaction. | 07:59 |
| kanzure | okay i have added open source software | 08:00 |
| kanzure | "3. What is the main goal for all biohackers in general ?" i babbled about read, write, copy dna. | 08:03 |
| poppingtonic | you could add openpcr for open source projects | 08:04 |
| kanzure | i would never dream of inflicting adobe air on a 14 year old | 08:04 |
| kanzure | what's wrong with you | 08:04 |
| poppingtonic | heh... i missed that one :/ | 08:06 |
| poppingtonic | is there an equivalent/better project? | 08:06 |
| poppingtonic | i.e. one that doesn't use AIR? | 08:06 |
| fenn | http://www.russelldurrett.com/lightbulbpcr.html | 08:07 |
| kanzure | (also, most 14 year olds wont have $500 laying around) | 08:07 |
| fenn | speaking of open source hardware, this is a thing: https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-laptop | 08:08 |
| fenn | .title | 08:08 |
| yoleaux | Librem 15: A Free/Libre Software Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms | Crowd Supply | 08:08 |
| fenn | it's unfortunate that everything has to look like an apple product now, but i'm glad that it exists | 08:09 |
| fenn | https://www.crowdsupply.com/stenosaurus/next-generation-open-stenotype | 08:09 |
| fenn | meh nevermind | 08:09 |
| kanzure | "3. What is the main goal for all biohackers in general ?" "they do it for the lolz" | 08:10 |
| fenn | to become immortal god-like beings? | 08:11 |
| kanzure | heh | 08:11 |
| fenn | next question | 08:11 |
| poppingtonic | I said essentially the same thing to a dude yesterday, about transhumanism. | 08:11 |
| kanzure | nope that was it | 08:11 |
| kanzure | i should have mentioned cambrian genomic's vaginal yeast hacking stuff | 08:12 |
| fenn | um, no | 08:12 |
| kanzure | i am trying to optimize for ridiculous things to inform a 14 year old about | 08:13 |
| poppingtonic | Transcriptic's robots, maybe? | 08:13 |
| poppingtonic | http://transcriptic.com | 08:13 |
| poppingtonic | .title | 08:13 |
| yoleaux | The modern life science research platform - Transcriptic | 08:13 |
| fenn | yeah robots are finally becoming feasible for normal people to acquire | 08:14 |
| fenn | something about reagents and make-do | 08:14 |
| yorick | fenn: well kanzure isn't that famous | 08:14 |
| yorick | is he? | 08:14 |
| fenn | famous? | 08:14 |
| yorick | fenn: that a 14-year-old would email him for a school assignment | 08:15 |
| fenn | how the hell should i know | 08:15 |
| yorick | there is also https://experiment.com/projects/can-we-biologically-extend-the-range-of-human-vision-into-the-near-infrared which was pretty cool | 08:15 |
| fenn | vitamin A1 restricted diet: check | 08:19 |
| poppingtonic | mmm fish liver | 08:23 |
| fenn | not sure why they decided to use an electroretinogram instead of just pressing a button when a NIR light was on | 08:23 |
| fenn | anyway humans _can_ see NIR, but it gets washed out by other colors. if you use a congo blue filter goggles your eyes will adjust and see the red-end of the NIR spectrum | 08:24 |
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| fenn | so how many guppies to i need to eat before the sunrise turns green | 08:44 |
| fenn | also there are numerous "golden rice" type biohacks that use regular vitamin A; presumably the pathway is similar enough that an A2 variant wouldn't require massive metabolic engineering | 08:45 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYqkU1y0AYc | 09:44 |
| yoleaux | Cory Doctorow: The coming war on general computation [28C3] - YouTube | 09:44 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nypRYpVKc5Y | 09:44 |
| yoleaux | DEFCON 20: Beyond the War on General Purpose Computing: What's Inside the Box? - YouTube | 09:44 |
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| fenn | for people reading pdf papers on e-ink screens: http://willus.com/k2pdfopt/help/native.shtml | 10:34 |
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| kragen | do you ever feel like you're already in this scenario? http://reddit.com/r/scifi/comments/2oghzg/x | 11:20 |
| kragen | .t | 11:20 |
| yoleaux | Fri, 12 Dec 2014 19:20:29 UTC | 11:20 |
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| delinquentme | FUCK man. holes are weird. | 11:48 |
| delinquentme | currently diggging out of one | 11:48 |
| delinquentme | and going through the resume is awesome for this. About to interview at Invitae ... and its not until you look over the shit you've done and consider what a 3rd party might see in it | 11:48 |
| delinquentme | that you can start to build that confidence back up | 11:48 |
| delinquentme | too much interviewing with bullshit startups | 11:48 |
| kanzure | unfortunately interviewing is mandatory in order to see actual market rates | 11:50 |
| kanzure | although i have become good at very short interviews | 11:50 |
| kanzure | last one was 8 minutes total and was successful | 11:51 |
| fenn | "hey." | 11:51 |
| fenn | "hey." | 11:51 |
| fenn | "so, do i need to like, show up or anything?" | 11:51 |
| kanzure | "nah dawg it's cool" | 11:51 |
| fenn | *fist bump* | 11:52 |
| kanzure | i don't think so, fenn. | 11:52 |
| delinquentme | its more hygenic ! | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | you dont want to know where my hands have been ! | 11:53 |
| kanzure | well it was over the phone | 11:53 |
| delinquentme | kanzure, I'm at the point where im almost ready to correct the interviewer | 11:54 |
| kanzure | interviews are not a thing i would subject my worse enemies to | 11:54 |
| kanzure | or even my mom | 11:54 |
| delinquentme | my issue is i run up against CS people who have a specific lexicon for operations and while I might understand implementation ... I don't have the semantics | 11:54 |
| kanzure | they are just pathetic and awful | 11:54 |
| kanzure | yeah, no, those are not people you want to be working with | 11:54 |
| kanzure | think of it this way, | 11:54 |
| delinquentme | markov chain ... or state machine !? | 11:54 |
| kanzure | if they treat people this bad in interviews, how do you think they treat people in general? | 11:54 |
| delinquentme | idk its a recursive habit I think of knowing you're not a total failure | 11:55 |
| delinquentme | being capable of learning | 11:55 |
| kanzure | also read http://www.kalzumeus.com/2012/01/23/salary-negotiation/ | 11:55 |
| delinquentme | and then relentless brutalistic positivity when people do dumb stuff. | 11:55 |
| delinquentme | yeah thats an awesome read | 11:56 |
| delinquentme | also! did you see the post about the chinese guy with the DIY dialysis machine? | 11:56 |
| delinquentme | that shit is SO heavy. | 11:56 |
| kanzure | *worst enemies | 11:57 |
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| delinquentme | hard_sciences = ['chemistry','physics','physicist','photonics','biology','genomics','astronomy','nanotechnology','solar','greentech','biofuels','math','mathematics','biohacking','nlp','drones','markov','levenshtein','euclidean','navier','assay','microfluidic'] | 11:57 |
| delinquentme | running KW searches on HN job posts ... any suggestions which I should add ? | 11:57 |
| kanzure | you should just read the posts instead | 11:58 |
| kanzure | then filter out users you hate | 11:58 |
| delinquentme | there could be endless additional kws ... but | 11:58 |
| kanzure | since most users post multiple times each month | 11:58 |
| kanzure | you can quickly get down to a readable level | 11:58 |
| kanzure | filter out balanced, for example, that'll cut out a lot of the posts | 11:58 |
| delinquentme | this is less related to interviewing ... and more an interest of " whats the consensus HN startup stack ? " | 11:58 |
| kanzure | your method is bad because it requires people to use good tags and words, which they don't | 11:58 |
| delinquentme | its bad for a host of reasons | 11:59 |
| delinquentme | but its not completely useless | 11:59 |
| * delinquentme single tear | 11:59 | |
| delinquentme | roflolol OK! back to work | 11:59 |
| kanzure | heath has been looking at some bitcoin companies recently | 11:59 |
| kanzure | you should bug heath | 11:59 |
| fenn | what's "filter out balanced" mean? | 11:59 |
| kanzure | there's this company called balance that thinks it pays well but they don't | 12:00 |
| kanzure | "you should be honored to even get an offer for $60k because market rates are just, like, some concept man" | 12:00 |
| kanzure | *balanced | 12:00 |
| fenn | yeah and rent is just some concept too | 12:00 |
| -!- poohbear is now known as supply | 12:01 | |
| kanzure | hmm maybe it wasn't balanced | 12:03 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/kanzure/pokemon-reverse-engineering-tools/issues/85 | 12:06 |
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| heath | related to the brief discussion on technological unemployment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx310zM3tLs | 12:15 |
| heath | .title | 12:15 |
| yoleaux | The wonderful and terrifying implications of computers that can learn | Jeremy Howard | TEDxBrussels - YouTube | 12:15 |
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| heath | also related .title http://www.economist.com/node/21621800/comments#comments | 12:22 |
| heath | .title | 12:22 |
| yoleaux | Comments on The world economy: Wealth without workers, workers without wealth | The Economist | 12:22 |
| fenn | boo! hiss! | 12:23 |
| fenn | what size font would you say that is | 12:24 |
| nmz787_i | heath: in that future, won't unemployement really just mean retirement? | 12:24 |
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| heath | if the proposal of basic income is implemented where you live, maybe | 12:29 |
| fenn | "We could change it now. Robots are doing all the work. Human beings -- all human beings -- could now be on perpetual vacation. That's what bugs me. If society had been designed for it somehow, we could all be on vacation instead of on welfare." | 12:31 |
| fenn | there's no good concise quote unfortunately | 12:31 |
| kanzure | your mistake is thinking of society as some giant amorphous entity that will respond to good/bad arguments | 12:32 |
| nmz787_i | this would make a good movie | 12:35 |
| -!- supply is now known as poohbear | 12:36 | |
| fenn | france has a 35 hour maximum workweek, however " the main reason why French firms avoid hiring new workers is that French employment regulations around labour flexibility make it difficult to lay off workers during a poor economic period" | 12:36 |
| nmz787_i | some jerks would be seen kicking/demeaning the robots | 12:36 |
| fenn | and then robocop would bust in and shoot them all in the head | 12:36 |
| fenn | the end | 12:36 |
| nmz787_i | retired from retirement | 12:37 |
| fenn | "you have been retired. permanently." | 12:37 |
| kanzure | retirement is not a real idea | 12:37 |
| kanzure | you don't cease being able to live at retirement | 12:37 |
| nmz787_i | does it come literally from putting new treads on a tire? | 12:38 |
| nmz787_i | in that sense it is like recycling | 12:38 |
| fenn | .ety retire | 12:38 |
| yoleaux | retire (v.): "1530s, of armies, "to retreat," from Middle French retirer "to withdraw (something)," from re- "back" (see re-) + Old French tirer "to draw" (see tirade)." — http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=retire | 12:38 |
| nmz787_i | e.g. soylent green | 12:38 |
| nmz787_i | dang | 12:38 |
| kanzure | retirement probably became popular because people used to work in a single industry for an entire career, so they had to have these elaborate ceremonies to tell everyone else to not bug them anymore | 12:39 |
| kanzure | i mean, before social security-enforced retirement concepts | 12:39 |
| delinquentme | HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa | 12:39 |
| delinquentme | SOCIAL HACKING | 12:39 |
| delinquentme | FUCK YES. | 12:39 |
| fenn | down, boy | 12:39 |
| delinquentme | r a w r | 12:39 |
| kanzure | delinquentme: have you considered getting back on adderall? | 12:39 |
| delinquentme | LOL | 12:39 |
| nmz787_i | wha-ch wha-ch | 12:39 |
| delinquentme | question: is there a non invasive method that I could use to dilate blood vessels ? | 12:41 |
| nmz787_i | drugs | 12:41 |
| fenn | vinpocetine | 12:41 |
| fenn | suction | 12:41 |
| delinquentme | my feet are freezing... and my torso is on fire | 12:41 |
| nmz787_i | 'whole market is made of drugs' | 12:41 |
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| delinquentme | #wtfBody | 12:41 |
| nmz787_i | curl into a ball | 12:41 |
| delinquentme | ROFL | 12:42 |
| nmz787_i | do that yoga move where you put your feet in your arm pits | 12:42 |
| delinquentme | wait im not sure if that was a joke | 12:42 |
| delinquentme | LOLOL | 12:42 |
| delinquentme | " the white chick " ? | 12:42 |
| delinquentme | naturopathic* | 12:42 |
| nmz787_i | http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Marrakech | 12:43 |
| nmz787_i | "Mr. Burns wanted some opium and Smithers was going to buy it in the market. However, he was arrested for possession of opium and received 80 years in prison." | 12:43 |
| nmz787_i | "Out of panic, Mr. Burns, names Homer the new owner of the plant. Homer reveals that it was a trick, which angers Mr Burns. As Homer’s first act as the new Boss he fires Mr Burns, and then throws him off the balcony onto the crowd, who proceeds to catch and flow him into the nearest Taxi. Burns then proceeds to travels to Marrakesh, Morocco where everything is made of drugs, with Smithers to buy opium." | 12:44 |
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| nmz787_i | delinquentme: http://yogathletica.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Yoga-Bound-Staff-Pose-Hip-Opening-Twist-Foot-in-Armpit-Baddha-Yoga-Dandasana1.jpg | 12:52 |
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| fenn | cold taint pose | 12:54 |
| nmz787_i | I guess that is the extreme lower part of the torso? | 12:54 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8738869 | 12:54 |
| yoleaux | TMSU is a tool for tagging your files | Hacker News | 12:54 |
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| fenn | "Tags or folders - Aren't both of them mere kludges that we use when search isn't good enough? | 13:01 |
| fenn | "sn't searching what we do when we don't know exactly where something is? | 13:01 |
| kanzure | whoever you are quoting is very confused | 13:02 |
| fenn | i am too | 13:02 |
| TMA | kanzure: The idea of retirement in the sense of "state/country gives some amount of money to the elderly" orginated with Bismarck in Germany, iirc. | 13:02 |
| fenn | i'd like to have the computer do document clustering and then label the cluster centers | 13:03 |
| fenn | but this fails for things like compiled code obviously | 13:03 |
| * nmz787_i americanism: But Bismarck is in North Dakota | 13:03 | |
| fenn | or at least it would interpret things a lot differently than you'd expect based on the stated purpose of a given program | 13:03 |
| TMA | kanzure: it was a cheap way to buy loyalty [retirement age was three years past the living expectance] | 13:04 |
| nmz787_i | "The North Dakota State Capitol, the tallest building in the state, is in central Bismarck" wow, only around 20 stories | 13:04 |
| fenn | variance would seem to matter a lot | 13:05 |
| TMA | nmz787_i: I am talking about the guy that city was named after. | 13:05 |
| nmz787_i | TMA: yup | 13:05 |
| heath | http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/snappy | 13:05 |
| fenn | you end up paying anywhere from 0% to ~50% depending whether the variance is 0 or 100 | 13:05 |
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| heath | """ | 13:05 |
| heath | Announcing Snappy Ubuntu Core | 13:05 |
| heath | A new, transactionally updated Ubuntu for the cloud. | 13:05 |
| heath | Ubuntu Core is a new rendition of Ubuntu for the cloud with transactional updates. Ubuntu Core is a minimal server image with the same libraries as today’s Ubuntu, but applications are provided through a simpler mechanism. | 13:05 |
| heath | """ | 13:05 |
| fenn | ugh please stop | 13:06 |
| fenn | did they at least finish their phone OS yet | 13:06 |
| kanzure | are you going to try tmsu | 13:07 |
| nmz787_i | .wik junker | 13:08 |
| yoleaux | "Junker (German: Junker, Dutch: Jonkheer) is a noble honorific, derived from Middle High German Juncherre, meaning "young nobleman" or otherwise "young lord" (derivation of jung and Herr)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junker | 13:08 |
| nmz787_i | 'wazzup junker?' | 13:09 |
| * nmz787_i wonders if Sir J. Wellington has used that in lyrics | 13:09 | |
| TMA | fenn: I do not know the exact numbers, but it was basically free -- only negligible number of people received that | 13:11 |
| TMA | fenn: while most of the work itself could concievably be done by robots, the people are not smart enough to program them and precise enough to build them maintenance free | 13:14 |
| fenn | the vast majority of work is already done by robots | 13:15 |
| nmz787_i | can I remove a BSD license comment if the file will only be used internally (is distribution within an organization considered redistribution?) | 13:15 |
| fenn | we just don't call them robots because they don't look like sci-fi androids | 13:15 |
| TMA | I was trying to program a model of a society that has "basic income" available so that the people can be on "vacation" indefinitely | 13:15 |
| TMA | I got stuck at the market model | 13:16 |
| fenn | you got stuck? | 13:17 |
| TMA | yep | 13:17 |
| fenn | how about this: pay 20 homeless people a dollar to participate in your game | 13:17 |
| delinquentme | ^ presupposes that homeless people are logical actors | 13:18 |
| fenn | instead of trying to write computer code or whatever you're doing | 13:18 |
| fenn | well duh, people aren't rational either | 13:18 |
| fenn | i bet a significant fraction of people wouldn't participate in a basic income economy either | 13:18 |
| TMA | writing code is cheaper than repeated experiments -- and the parameters are more easily tweaked | 13:20 |
| fenn | What does TMSU stand for? | 13:21 |
| fenn | It stands for Tag My Shit Up. | 13:21 |
| fenn | now why did i have to navigate more than three links to find that | 13:21 |
| delinquentme | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPECFQ4NhE | 13:25 |
| delinquentme | fenn now sing it to the above tune. | 13:25 |
| kanzure | .title | 13:26 |
| yoleaux | The Prodigy - Smack My Bitch Up - YouTube | 13:26 |
| fenn | i like the "merge tag" functionality, not so sure about queries like "year >= 2000 and year < 2010" | 13:26 |
| nmz787_i | delinquentme: watch the cat version | 13:27 |
| kanzure | .title http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.3140 | 13:27 |
| yoleaux | [1411.3140] Social media fingerprints of unemployment | 13:27 |
| kanzure | "Recent wide-spread adoption of electronic and pervasive technologies has enabled the study of human behavior at an unprecedented level, uncovering universal patterns underlying human activity, mobility, and inter-personal communication. In the present work, we investigate whether deviations from these universal patterns may reveal information about the socio-economical status of geographical regions. We quantify the extent to which ... | 13:27 |
| kanzure | ... deviations in diurnal rhythm, mobility patterns, and communication styles across regions relate to their unemployment incidence. For this we examine a country-scale publicly articulated social media dataset, where we quantify individual behavioral features from over 145 million geo-located messages distributed among more than 340 different Spanish economic regions, inferred by computing communities of cohesive mobility fluxes. We ... | 13:27 |
| kanzure | ... find that regions exhibiting more diverse mobility fluxes, earlier diurnal rhythms, and more correct grammatical styles display lower unemployment rates. As a result, we provide a simple model able to produce accurate, easily interpretable reconstruction of regional unemployment incidence from their social-media digital fingerprints alone. Our results show that cost-effective economical indicators can be built based on ... | 13:27 |
| kanzure | ... publicly-available social media datasets." | 13:27 |
| fenn | before long you end up with a poorly implemented ad-hoc lisp | 13:27 |
| kanzure | does it handle file movement? | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyz7Y1sphP0 | 13:28 |
| yoleaux | DIKUrevy 2009: Smack My Bits Up - YouTube | 13:28 |
| kanzure | http://tmsu.org/ | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i | +1 eeepc | 13:28 |
| kanzure | "ls "mp/queries/mp3 and big-jazz"" | 13:28 |
| kanzure | i hate this | 13:28 |
| nmz787_i | meh, no custom lyrics, not as good as the cat version | 13:28 |
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| fenn | you could mount it in . so instead it would be: ls queries/"mp3 and big-jazz" | 13:29 |
| fenn | does it do spaces in tags? | 13:29 |
| kanzure | i thin trying to hijack ls and other file system utils is a bad idea | 13:29 |
| TMA | anyway is there an equation that for given utility function produces the demand curve / the production curve | 13:30 |
| fenn | i think it's a great idea | 13:30 |
| TMA | ? | 13:30 |
| fenn | kanzure: you're not doing anything to ls; it's just a filesystem interface like /proc | 13:30 |
| kanzure | yes but paths aren't paths anymore | 13:30 |
| kanzure | now they're some other weird thing | 13:30 |
| fenn | that's the whole point | 13:30 |
| nmz787_i | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xiQoPaomvw | 13:30 |
| yoleaux | Smack My Bitch Up Cat Style HD - YouTube | 13:30 |
| kanzure | that is not the whole point | 13:30 |
| fenn | is too | 13:30 |
| kanzure | tags have existed outside of file systems since forever | 13:30 |
| fenn | "TMSU was born out of frustration with the hierarchical nature of filesystems" | 13:31 |
| kanzure | that's stupid | 13:31 |
| kanzure | it should be about tagging files | 13:31 |
| fenn | well how else are you gonna interact with them | 13:31 |
| kanzure | tags | 13:31 |
| fenn | why don't you use calibre tags then | 13:31 |
| kanzure | whatdoyoumean? | 13:31 |
| fenn | calibre supports tagging | 13:31 |
| kanzure | go on? | 13:31 |
| kanzure | calibre the big honking gui thing? | 13:31 |
| fenn | well, presumably there's something awful about having to use a big honking gui thing | 13:32 |
| kanzure | maybe there's a calibre command line tool that i am unaware of? | 13:32 |
| fenn | instead of ls and friends | 13:32 |
| fenn | calibre's command line tools are pretty wonky | 13:33 |
| fenn | you can do something like `calibredb list` i guess | 13:35 |
| * fenn mumble git-annex mumble | 13:36 | |
| kanzure | wonky bad or wonky good? | 13:37 |
| kanzure | i mean wonky can just mean "they don't work but their spirit is in the right place" | 13:37 |
| fenn | wonky is always bad | 13:37 |
| kanzure | have you tried jotmuch? | 13:38 |
| fenn | yes | 13:38 |
| kanzure | thoughts? | 13:38 |
| fenn | i don't like how it conflates "archiving" with "take a snapshot" but i guess i can edit that part out | 13:38 |
| fenn | also i want to be able to search for strings which may be in the body text or partial tags | 13:40 |
| fenn | it's stupid to miss a bunch of files tagged "books" because you're searching tag:book | 13:40 |
| fenn | er, bookmarks | 13:41 |
| kanzure | yeah i don't have a policy yet on plurals so i just use book books and promise myself i'll decide later | 13:41 |
| kanzure | which is of couse a complete lie | 13:41 |
| kanzure | *course | 13:42 |
| kanzure | most of my bookmarks have at least 5 tags, some have up to 30 tags ish | 13:42 |
| kanzure | even with a minimum of 5 tags i am finding that i have very curious missing bookmarks for certain given tags | 13:43 |
| kanzure | like i don't seem to have anything about "myelination" | 13:43 |
| fenn | most of your bookmarks are bitcoin stuff anyway | 13:53 |
| fenn | that's the main issue with tagging/bookmarking systems, you have all this stuff lying around already but it's inaccessible because you have to manually enter it into the system to be searchable | 13:54 |
| kanzure | only 1006 are tagged bitcoin | 13:54 |
| fenn | i know a guy who has been using the same tagging system for ~30 years and always has a DOS emulator open so he can keep running it | 13:55 |
| kanzure | well, there's a good argument for 1114 bookmarks being bitcoin-related i suppose | 13:55 |
| kanzure | out of 2220 | 13:55 |
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| fenn | it would be nice to have a "sort tags by size" functionality | 13:57 |
| fenn | number of tagged files/bookmarks/whatever | 13:57 |
| fenn | and "sort by recently used tags" | 13:58 |
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| fenn | today i compacted my shell history and saved 30MB ram and several seconds load time per bash shell | 14:01 |
| fenn | searching for "bash" and "ram" was a pointless exercise | 14:03 |
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| kanzure | do you really need to load all bash history on every shell you open? | 14:04 |
| kanzure | readline probably isn't best for that anyway | 14:04 |
| fenn | that's what it does *shrug* | 14:04 |
| kanzure | our fault for using bash anyway | 14:05 |
| fenn | it's really not that much ram, but it adds up when you have 12 shells open | 14:05 |
| fenn | tmsu should have a 'undo' command | 14:07 |
| nmz787_i | "Time capsule buried by Samuel Adams and Paul Revere in 1795 is unearthed in Boston" but why open it now? | 14:07 |
| fenn | yeah launch that fucker to the moon | 14:08 |
| fenn | better yet, on a trajectory out of the galaxy | 14:08 |
| yorick | nmz787_i: they're putting it back afterwards | 14:08 |
| yorick | nmz787_i: but there's been a water leak near it for 30 years to they want to see if it survived | 14:09 |
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| nmz787_i | yorick: I read they're going to open it | 14:15 |
| nmz787_i | isn't that sort of lame to put it back afterwards, like cheating or something | 14:15 |
| nmz787_i | like playing hide&seek then peaking before your friends are done hiding | 14:16 |
| fenn | no because in year 2200 they'll be able to clone paul revere from trace DNA | 14:17 |
| yorick | nmz787_i: they're x-raying it anyways | 14:18 |
| fenn | probably sooner than that actually | 14:19 |
| yorick | they could do it right now except it'd be illegal | 14:20 |
| fenn | in 2200 they'll be able to clone paul revere, grow him to adult size, implant memories, have a conversation and tea all before it's time for dinner | 14:20 |
| fenn | of course they'll have to shoot him at the end to prevent the indignity of being a living theme park attraction | 14:21 |
| fenn | groundhog day or something like that | 14:22 |
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| fenn | "look — display lines beginning with a given string" | 14:34 |
| fenn | don't think i've ever seen this one in the wild | 14:35 |
| fenn | .wik Foochow | 14:35 |
| yoleaux | "Fuzhou (Chinese: 福州; pinyin: Fúzhōu, [fǔtʂóʊ]; Cantonese: Foochow, Fuzhou dialect: Hók-ciŭ; also formerly Minhow) is the capital and one of the largest cities in Fujian province, People's Republic of China." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foochow | 14:35 |
| nmz787_i | fenn: I mean putting it back after looking... you might contaminate Paul Revere with George Bush or something | 14:42 |
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| nmz787_i | .dic text | 15:20 |
| nmz787_i | .d text | 15:21 |
| yoleaux | nmz787_i: Sorry, that command (.d) crashed. | 15:21 |
| nmz787_i | .dict text | 15:21 |
| nmz787_i | .ud text | 15:28 |
| yoleaux | Verb To send a SMS message from one person to another via Mobile Phone (cellphone) a message sent between cell phones. 1. Synonym for a book, typically one for learning purposes, but can stand in f | 15:28 |
| nmz787_i | .ud string | 15:28 |
| yoleaux | loads of dicks tied together A flexible wire like substance used mostly to tire things together. to hang someone. long 'thread' of ejaculate -perhaps with some 'pearls' Sitting To Remember In Nudi | 15:28 |
| nmz787_i | :O | 15:28 |
| nmz787_i | I am sorry, I tried using a real dictionary command | 15:28 |
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| delinquentme | fuckkkkkkkk | 15:37 |
| delinquentme | ok so yeah call w invitae went well | 15:38 |
| delinquentme | And I added their CEO on linked in -- w some social he added me back like 10 mins later | 15:38 |
| delinquentme | SEND POSITIVE JUJU MY WAY <3 | 15:38 |
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| * nmz787_i just thought of the hellen keller robot from futurama (I think) | 15:45 | |
| nmz787_i | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4huOrdIA6k | 15:46 |
| yoleaux | Family Guy Binary Code - YouTube | 15:46 |
| * nmz787_i tears up with humor | 15:46 | |
| nmz787_i | .wik humours | 15:48 |
| yoleaux | "Humorism, or humoralism, is a system of medicine detailing the makeup and workings of the human body, adopted by Ancient Greek and Roman physicians and philosophers, positing that an excess or deficiency of any of four distinct bodily fluids in a person — known as humors or humours — directly influences their temperament and health." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humours | 15:48 |
| fenn | you must have an excess of phlegm | 15:49 |
| kanzure | i refuse to send delinquentme any "juju" until he gets back on adderall | 15:49 |
| kanzure | you have any idea how much of a menace i'd be off this? man. | 15:50 |
| kanzure | 15:50 < Emcy> "The Tor project has revealed that one of its team has been subjected to “a sustained campaign of harassment for the past several months” and declared it will no longer tolerate such activity on the Tor network." | 15:50 |
| kanzure | 15:50 < Emcy> er, can they do that | 15:50 |
| fenn | i'm going home and taking my network with me | 15:51 |
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| fenn | 'When blood is drawn in a glass container and left undisturbed for about an hour, four different layers can be seen. A dark clot forms at the bottom (the "black bile"). Above the clot is a layer of red blood cells (the "blood"). Above this is a whitish layer of white blood cells (the "phlegm", now called the buffy coat). The top layer is clear yellow serum (the "yellow bile")' | 15:54 |
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| fenn | nmz787_i: it might be leukemia | 15:55 |
| kragen | "buffy coat"? | 15:58 |
| kragen | 19:54 < kanzure> interviews are not a thing i would subject my worse enemies to | 15:59 |
| kragen | the weird thing about conversations like this is that i've always really enjoyed software job interviews | 15:59 |
| kragen | although this may be in part because I always got a job offer after the interview | 16:00 |
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| fenn | "Sir Isaac Newton, in responding to questions from Leibnitz in a letter in 1677, concealed the details of his "fluxional technique" with an anagram: | 16:08 |
| fenn | The foundations of these operations is evident enough, in fact; but because I cannot proceed with the explanation of it now, I have preferred to conceal it thus: 6accdae13eff7i3l9n4o4qrr4s8t12ux." | 16:08 |
| ebowden | http://vimeo.com/72688703 | 16:09 |
| ebowden | https://experiment.com/projects/can-anle138b-delay-the-onset-of-genetic-prion-disease?s=discover | 16:09 |
| fenn | .title http://vimeo.com/72688703 | 16:09 |
| yoleaux | 558-b81c437d-5284-46f0-a492-3f4e741be615.mp4 on Vimeo | 16:09 |
| fenn | -_- | 16:10 |
| fenn | i give up | 16:10 |
| kanzure | kragen: yeah but weren't you surprised when i was talking about salaries? | 16:11 |
| kanzure | anyone with even a microliter of brain matter would hire you for below market rates, for example | 16:12 |
| kanzure | no matter how poorly the interview went | 16:12 |
| fenn | how does "market rates" paradigm work with "10x productivity" | 16:14 |
| kanzure | pretty poorly, at most you can get 3-5x pay, getting 10x pay is a real pain in the ass | 16:15 |
| kanzure | although you could shift other things around | 16:16 |
| kanzure | like, "well, i can't figure out how to get people to pay me $90k/mo, but i can at least claim that my ability to work remotely is worth maybe $40k of that" | 16:17 |
| kanzure | "and being able to work my own hours whenever i please is maybe another $10k discount" hooray rationalizations | 16:17 |
| fenn | you're assuming they want to hire you though | 16:17 |
| kanzure | whoops sorry i'm talking about consulting/contracting | 16:18 |
| fenn | this looks like a false statement to me: "anyone with even a microliter of brain matter would hire you for below market rates" | 16:18 |
| kanzure | kragen? | 16:19 |
| fenn | there are many reasons not to hire someone | 16:19 |
| fenn | some would even say "since he's willing to work below market rates, he must not be any good" | 16:19 |
| fenn | or "since he's willing to work below 10x rates, he must not be 10x" | 16:21 |
| kanzure | oh, no, in general people are highly aware of extremely productive people working at below market rates | 16:22 |
| * fenn mumbles about one too many personal distributed object store proposals | 16:22 | |
| kanzure | and they are happy to pay at least market rate because that means they are more likely to secure a relationship where that person is getting more money than they had been (if for some reason they know how much the perso nwas previously making, of course) (which they shouldn't) | 16:22 |
| fenn | yay secrecy | 16:23 |
| kanzure | fishtubchain, a hyper-distributed blockchain of fishtubs geographically located in secret bank vaults and cat sanctuaries throughout the united states that was originally discovered by a bored archaeologist named buckminster fuller | 16:23 |
| fenn | omg yes please | 16:24 |
| fenn | can i have a hyperloop too | 16:24 |
| kanzure | ask your uncle elon | 16:24 |
| fenn | but he's already giving me the mars colonial transporter for christmas | 16:24 |
| kanzure | yeah no he's lying to you kid | 16:24 |
| fenn | cat sanctuaries is a little too true | 16:25 |
| fenn | there were like 50 cats living behind my house in indiana | 16:25 |
| kanzure | sorry, i had turned off my reality filters for a moment | 16:26 |
| fenn | the cat habitat was destroyed when they built a "habitat for humanity" house :\ | 16:27 |
| fenn | will someone please think of the cats!!! | 16:27 |
| kanzure | why is nobody angry about viruses killing 40% daily of sea surface algea | 16:28 |
| fenn | david pearce is | 16:29 |
| kanzure | i'm not sure anger is an emotion he is capable of experiencing | 16:29 |
| fenn | well he's morally ethics-ed up | 16:29 |
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| nmz787_i | i read about cat sanctuaries around portland recently | 16:32 |
| fenn | "Crash-only software: it only stops by crashing, and only starts by recovering." | 16:35 |
| nmz787_i | who can decode this binary's meaning http://imgur.com/fGmOzXC | 16:37 |
| nmz787_i | hellen keller's schpeal translates to the character 'i' | 16:37 |
| fenn | why are there arrows | 16:39 |
| fenn | .py a=0b110110001111 ; print a, ord(a) | 16:40 |
| yoleaux | SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) | 16:40 |
| nmz787_i | .py a=0b110110001111 ; print a, chr(a) | 16:40 |
| yoleaux | SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) | 16:40 |
| nmz787_i | .py a='110110001111' ; print chr(int(a,2)) | 16:40 |
| yoleaux | ValueError: chr() arg not in range(256) | 16:40 |
| fenn | string? | 16:40 |
| fenn | oh that's the "source file" | 16:41 |
| fenn | .py print 0b110110001111 | 16:41 |
| yoleaux | SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1) | 16:41 |
| fenn | .py print "huh" | 16:41 |
| yoleaux | huh | 16:41 |
| nmz787_i | .py print (0b110110001111) | 16:41 |
| nmz787_i | .py print (0b110110001111) | 16:42 |
| yoleaux | SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) | 16:42 |
| fenn | works on my local machine | 16:42 |
| fenn | 3471 | 16:42 |
| fenn | i think on the chalkboard is a football play diagram | 16:43 |
| nmz787_i | ooo | 16:44 |
| nmz787_i | that makes this even harder for me, since I don't know foosball | 16:44 |
| nmz787_i | http://www.cnet.com/news/doc-brown-finally-admits-funny-or-die-hoverboard-video-is-fake/ | 16:46 |
| fenn | nmz787_i: we've been over this already | 16:47 |
| fenn | March 5, 2014 | 16:48 |
| nmz787_i | oh, huh | 16:48 |
| nmz787_i | guess I missed the hype | 16:48 |
| nmz787_i | like reading the end of a book first | 16:49 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/projects/human-like-cognitive-abilities/ | 16:51 |
| fenn | the "10 years" may seem confusingly optimistic to some people | 16:58 |
| fenn | "Prefer implementations that can be analytically tested" this is bullshit | 16:59 |
| fenn | if you can predict that it will/won't work, you don't need to estimate your probability of success | 17:00 |
| fenn | also, it's undecidable | 17:01 |
| kanzure | edit it then | 17:03 |
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| kanzure | i wont disown you for editing a wiki page | 17:04 |
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| kanzure | heh 30 years | 17:08 |
| kanzure | you know let's go even higher why not | 17:08 |
| fenn | i typed 50 years first then thought better | 17:08 |
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| fenn | whatever | 17:09 |
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| fenn | the "AI predictions" paper from MIRI shows that people either go with 20 years, 100 years, or never | 17:09 |
| kanzure | there should be one about simulations | 17:10 |
| kanzure | (environment simulations) | 17:10 |
| fenn | why | 17:10 |
| kanzure | "don't make a limited physics simulation and expect your tests to mean anything"? | 17:11 |
| fenn | well how "human-like" do you want it to be | 17:11 |
| fenn | does it need to piss and brush its teeth | 17:11 |
| kanzure | actually i don't, | 17:11 |
| kanzure | i think i would be pretty happy with a general approach that would make things as dumb as a 100k neuron ant or a whatever million neuron mouse | 17:12 |
| fenn | a mouse-like intelligence would appear to be more intelligent with rudimentary language hacked in | 17:13 |
| fenn | like the tachikoma in GITS | 17:13 |
| kanzure | also the reason why i am bothering with this sort of page/document is because it is extremely unfair of me to reject ai projects without first setting up limits/bounds/constraints or something | 17:13 |
| kanzure | erm i mean, to reject all possible projects in that domain, since clearly i am okay with brain emulation, and things approximating brain emulation | 17:14 |
| kanzure | i am not actually opposed to non-brain-emulation, i am just opposed to bad ideas | 17:14 |
| fenn | i was evaluating it on the assumption that the category included brain emulation like things | 17:15 |
| kanzure | hmm | 17:15 |
| fenn | that's my plan anyway | 17:16 |
| kanzure | i thought you were somewhat anti-brain-emulation? | 17:16 |
| kanzure | anti-brain-emulation in terms of productive-worthwhile-approaches | 17:16 |
| fenn | uh.. i think there are general areas of program-space that can work, and brain emulation is off to the edge of what's possible because it's so inefficient | 17:17 |
| kanzure | "the development of brain emulation technology" is too inefficient? | 17:17 |
| fenn | running the emulation would do a lot of pointless calculations | 17:18 |
| kanzure | hm, well, so does my brain | 17:19 |
| fenn | yeah but those atoms are being computed for free by the universe | 17:19 |
| kanzure | the anthropic boogeyman strikes again | 17:20 |
| fenn | just a good old fashioned lack of data | 17:20 |
| fenn | no amount of neuroscience will tell us what's important or not | 17:20 |
| kanzure | apparently people have trouble breeding octopus in captivity | 17:20 |
| kanzure | so they should breed easier-to-breed strains methinks | 17:20 |
| kanzure | *breed towards | 17:21 |
| fenn | seems like that would have happened if it were possible? | 17:21 |
| fenn | people have trouble breeding bacteria in captivity, except for the ones that they don't have trouble with | 17:21 |
| kanzure | not sure, i don't think as many people are working on octopus as you'd think | 17:21 |
| fenn | the vast majority of bacteria aren't culturable | 17:21 |
| kanzure | like <100 people methnks | 17:21 |
| fenn | you should talk to todd anderson http://octotod.net | 17:23 |
| kanzure | i don't really see anything here | 17:24 |
| fenn | yeah this looks broken | 17:24 |
| fenn | anyway the man is obsessed with octopi and cuttlefish, and does neuroscience at some bay area university | 17:24 |
| kragen | kanzure: yeah, most likely I was accepting totally lowball offers in a sense | 17:24 |
| kragen | 00:22 < kanzure> oh, no, in general people are highly aware of extremely productive people working at below market rates | 17:25 |
| kragen | I'm not sure I qualify as "extremely productive people". I'm really struggling with getting this stock trading system into working shape | 17:25 |
| kragen | and it's only like ten thousand lines of Java | 17:25 |
| kanzure | did you write it? | 17:26 |
| kragen | which would be a better excuse for having a hard time getting it working if I hadn't written all of it | 17:26 |
| kanzure | well, what did you fail to anticipate ? | 17:27 |
| kragen | I think I probably wrote it in an insufficiently stupid way | 17:28 |
| kragen | which means that debugging it is stretching my capacity | 17:28 |
| fenn | i think i see the problem | 17:28 |
| kanzure | what sorta orderbook is it? | 17:28 |
| kragen | also I didn't know anything about stock trading | 17:28 |
| kanzure | oh that's probably bad | 17:28 |
| kragen | my client has lots of experience with it, and we've been working closely | 17:29 |
| kragen | so I've been learning about stock trading | 17:29 |
| kanzure | are these options, contracts, "regular" trades? | 17:29 |
| kragen | regular shares, although we'll probably be doing futures too | 17:29 |
| kragen | but mostly the stupid bugs have been internal complexity of the system | 17:30 |
| kanzure | disclaimer: i am presently procrastinating here instead of working on an orderbook application i've been helping to develop | 17:30 |
| kragen | that's comforting to hear | 17:30 |
| kragen | it makes me feel less alone in my incompetence and lack of discipline | 17:30 |
| kragen | I'm not sure that's actually healthy for me :) | 17:31 |
| kanzure | speak for yourself, my software works :) | 17:31 |
| kragen | haha | 17:31 |
| kragen | mine will too, soon. it's just taking a lot longer than I was hoping it would | 17:31 |
| fenn | kragen why on god's good green earth are you using Java? | 17:31 |
| kragen | well, I wanted to be able to use the broker's protocol interface library instead of trying to reverse-engineer their undocumented wire protocol | 17:32 |
| kanzure | what is their protocol? | 17:33 |
| kanzure | oh their library for their undocumented protocol? | 17:33 |
| kragen | some thing they cooked up themselves | 17:33 |
| kragen | right | 17:33 |
| kragen | they have options in C++, Excel, Visual Basic, and Java, of which Java seemed the least bad | 17:33 |
| kanzure | zeromq over here :) | 17:33 |
| kragen | C++ has its great merits but that's until you are debugging | 17:33 |
| kragen | the sane thing to do in retrospect would have been to write a small Java shim that translated to and from zeromq or something similar | 17:34 |
| kragen | but also | 17:34 |
| kragen | we had had discouraging performance experiences last year with backtesting strategies written in Python | 17:34 |
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| kanzure | so why are you making a trading engine that has to use some broker's library? | 17:34 |
| kragen | we were spending more time waiting for the simulation runs to finish than we were spending modifying the code | 17:34 |
| kanzure | brokers should be using your library | 17:34 |
| kanzure | not the other way around | 17:34 |
| kragen | that would be true if we had more money than the brokers, but we don't | 17:35 |
| kanzure | was your python implementation using cython/swig/ctypes? | 17:35 |
| kragen | no, although cython probably would have been a smarter direction to move for speedups than Java | 17:35 |
| kanzure | yeah.... | 17:36 |
| kanzure | you can't even use jython | 17:36 |
| kanzure | unless you're okay with ancient python 2.7 compatibility hell | 17:36 |
| fenn | java can be plenty fast, but you still have to actually write the code | 17:36 |
| kanzure | it's not even 2.7.x it's just 2.7 haha | 17:36 |
| kanzure | fenn: i need more constraints on ai projects, please enter rant mode | 17:38 |
| kanzure | most of the things on that page aren't even the usual rant-worthy stuff | 17:38 |
| kragen | anyway, so I think the next step is probably to get the current Java mess running correctly and trading in real life, and then maybe replace it piecewise with Jython | 17:38 |
| fenn | sorry my brain is soon to be pumpkin pudding | 17:39 |
| kanzure | unfortunately jython is going to be a dead end for you unless you want to be maintaining jython upstream | 17:39 |
| kragen | they said that before | 17:40 |
| kanzure | and? | 17:40 |
| kragen | someone decided to maintain it for a while, and it wasn't me | 17:41 |
| kanzure | is that still happening? | 17:41 |
| kragen | I'm sure it will happen again, even if it isn't happening at the moment | 17:42 |
| kragen | neither Java nor Python is small enough for people to stop caring about connecting them together | 17:42 |
| kragen | in terms of users, I mean, not in terms of language complexity, which is obviously a disadvantage in both cass | 17:43 |
| fenn | "To request a copy of an accessible whitepaper describing the neurobiology of sleep and memory that supports the Sheepdog Sciences memory enhancement system, enter your information below" | 17:43 |
| fenn | i guess this way they get to spam you with updates, instead of just linking to the paper | 17:44 |
| juri_ | https://events.ccc.de/congress/2014/Fahrplan/events/6417.html | 17:44 |
| kanzure | .title | 17:45 |
| yoleaux | Schedule 31. Chaos Communication Congress | 17:45 |
| kanzure | argh | 17:45 |
| kanzure | ccc can't even figure out good <title> text | 17:45 |
| fenn | that would require utilizing their l33t sk1llz to map the conference schedule to page titles | 17:46 |
| fenn | microwave safe kilns for melting aluminum. ... the lost PLA process. | 17:47 |
| kanzure | clickbait http://www.sciencealert.com/these-are-some-of-the-most-beautiful-calculators-humans-have-ever-made | 17:48 |
| fenn | oh, juri_ is presenting it | 17:48 |
| juri_ | indeed. ;) | 17:49 |
| juri_ | donations welcome. still trying to afford plane tickets. | 17:49 |
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| fenn | hell of a time to be traveling | 17:50 |
| kanzure | here is a rantworthy thing: linguists are awful and i hate them | 17:51 |
| kanzure | and chomsky caused everything to get held back by at least 500 years | 17:51 |
| kanzure | "First proposed by Noam Chomsky in the 1960s, the LAD concept is an instinctive mental capacity which enables an infant to acquire and produce language" | 17:52 |
| kanzure | infants don't do that! argh | 17:52 |
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| kanzure | timeline of infant development progress stuff in children http://www.parentingcounts.org/information/timeline/ | 17:55 |
| kanzure | oh wait, wrong page | 17:57 |
| kanzure | "physical" "social" "learning" "communication" why are these separate | 17:57 |
| fenn | it should be noted that chomsky has abandoned the idea of LAD in favor of Universal Grammar | 17:57 |
| kanzure | that sounds even worse | 17:58 |
| fenn | it's probably "not even wrong" | 17:59 |
| kanzure | "proposing that the ability to learn grammar is hard-wired into the brain.[1]" yes because apparently everyone else thought it was the stomach | 17:59 |
| kanzure | this makes me mad :( | 17:59 |
| fenn | you're missing the point | 18:00 |
| kanzure | "There are theoretical senses of the term Universal Grammar as well (here capitalized). The most general of these would be that Universal Grammar is whatever properties of a normally developing human brain cause it to learn languages that conform to universal grammar (the non-capitalized, pretheoretical sense). Using the above examples, Universal Grammar would be the innate property of the human brain that causes it to posit a difference ... | 18:00 |
| kanzure | ... between nouns and verbs whenever presented with linguistic data." | 18:00 |
| kanzure | innate... | 18:00 |
| kanzure | pretheoretical... | 18:00 |
| kanzure | i am not sure which specific thing to point out in a rant, though | 18:02 |
| fenn | so you're blaming linguists for the failed dreams of symbolic AI? | 18:02 |
| kanzure | hmm, that's an interesting idea | 18:02 |
| kanzure | i am not opposed to blaming them in part for symbolic ai | 18:03 |
| kanzure | i will certainly blame them for distracting people who would be working on ai-stuff | 18:03 |
| fenn | it would be just as easy to blame neuroscience for not pointing out how much important stuff the symbolic people were skipping | 18:03 |
| kanzure | oh what do you mean? not enough social visits? | 18:03 |
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| fenn | i dunno, failure as pop-science promoters | 18:04 |
| kanzure | linguists do seem to have lots of propaganda out there | 18:04 |
| kanzure | certainly a disproportionate amount | 18:05 |
| fenn | there arent so many breathless fictional accounts of "the mysteries of motor coordination" | 18:05 |
| fenn | or whatever the neuroscience equivalent of asimov-style ai stories would be | 18:05 |
| fenn | pumpkin time | 18:07 |
| kanzure | "Ancient humans would expend considerable amounts of energy just typing their prey to death. They could outlast any other animal at typing. They would just keep on typing until the animal fell over dead from exhaustion." | 18:08 |
| fenn | i surrender to your superior typing stamina | 18:11 |
| kanzure | an interesting calibration exercise would be a similar rant page for flight | 18:15 |
| kanzure | nevermind, that sounds boring and useless | 18:20 |
| kanzure | https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/projects/human-like-cognitive-abilities.mdwn?id=4eff560e28e26c85eb9357064f66a5adf7e55778 | 18:29 |
| kanzure | at minimum | 18:29 |
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| kanzure | hmm maybe it's not fair to blame the linguists because they were probably attracted to the turing test | 18:56 |
| kanzure | "If the Turing test is applied to religious objects, Shermer argues, then, that inanimate statues, rocks, and places have consistently passed the test throughout history" | 18:59 |
| kanzure | "anytime" tests http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~dld/Publications/2010/HernandezOrallo+Dowe2010ArtificialIntelligenceJArticle.pdf | 19:03 |
| kanzure | "The measurement should handle any level of intelligence and any time scale of the system. It must be able to evaluate inept and brilliant systems (any intelligence level) as well as very slow to very fast systems (any time scale)." | 19:04 |
| kanzure | the text after "A figurative trace of the algorithm is as follows. Initially, with a very small τ , the agent has no time to perform an action" is interesting | 19:18 |
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| nmz787 | neither freecad nor heekscad seem as intuitive as kicad, though kicad was unintuitive in it's own ways | 19:25 |
| nmz787 | got cadquery installed in freecad though | 19:26 |
| juri_ | i like implicitcad. | 19:27 |
| juri_ | ;) | 19:27 |
| kanzure | i forgot about this spurious correlations collection site http://www.tylervigen.com/ | 19:29 |
| nmz787 | http://www.parametricparts.com/docs/quickstart.html | 19:30 |
| nmz787 | juri_: looking | 19:31 |
| kanzure | there are also examples in the cadquery repo | 19:31 |
| nmz787 | "We can abstract away the stupid work humans do in designing objects. We can build DSLs. We can unit test objects and put them on github." what are DSLs? | 19:32 |
| nmz787 | cause .ud will likely not be nice | 19:32 |
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| kanzure | domain specific languages | 19:37 |
| kanzure | DSLs are often not the right idea | 19:37 |
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| nmz787 | juri_: is this available in Python? | 19:48 |
| nmz787 | seems it is some type of haskell? | 19:50 |
| juri_ | it is all haskell. | 19:53 |
| juri_ | and i've been documenting and fixing bugs. | 19:54 |
| kragen | it would be nice to have some kind of concise language we could write code in today and have some assurance it will mean the same thing in 20 years | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | how can I compare it to CGAL and openCASCADE? | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | as in the normal geometry error stuff | 20:00 |
| kragen | I think kicad is for PCB design, while FreeCAD is for mechanical or mold design | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | ah, http://www.implicitcad.org/faq#implicitcad-and-openscad | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | kragen: yeah but matter can be defined in layers like a PCB if you wanted to | 20:01 |
| kragen | I don't think you can design PCBs with FreeCAD or mechanical parts with kicad | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | i am designing microfluidics | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | it is very similar to PCBs | 20:02 |
| kanzure | svg | 20:02 |
| kanzure | we keep telling you to use svg but you don't :( | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | except that you can have smoother transitions between 'layers' | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | rather than jus vertical vias like kicad has now | 20:03 |
| nmz787 | and it has a layer limit currently that might be relatively low limit for # layers | 20:04 |
| nmz787 | around 32 | 20:04 |
| kanzure | you don't need layers in svg | 20:04 |
| nmz787 | for 'copper' | 20:04 |
| kanzure | you can just merge svg files together | 20:04 |
| nmz787 | yeah but you get design rule checking | 20:04 |
| nmz787 | and the autorouter base with freerouting | 20:04 |
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| kanzure | what design rule checking? | 20:04 |
| nmz787 | connectivity | 20:05 |
| kanzure | i am talkin about svg for microfluidic part design | 20:05 |
| nmz787 | ratsnest view | 20:05 |
| kanzure | *talking | 20:05 |
| delinquentme | " They also contain the vasodilator histamine, " | 20:05 |
| delinquentme | So Im reading patents | 20:05 |
| delinquentme | anyone have suggestions how to fast forward to the gritty interesting bits ... when there are no diagrams ? | 20:06 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: using this or something else? https://pypi.python.org/pypi/svgwrite/ | 20:06 |
| kanzure | oh i don't care, maybe cairo if necessary | 20:06 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: do you know about DSN something something design spectra... | 20:08 |
| kanzure | don't think so | 20:08 |
| nmz787 | it is what you export in kicad to talk with freerouting | 20:08 |
| kanzure | fenn or nmz787 is more likely to know this | 20:08 |
| nmz787 | and freerouting then exports it back out, and you import in kicad | 20:08 |
| delinquentme | Oh also ! Is it possible to patent something which uses someone elses first in class mechanism ... IN the case which i expand the functionality ? | 20:10 |
| nmz787 | i think you would have to get licensing | 20:11 |
| kragen | implicitcad sounds like it could be a reasonable thing if it had a UI | 20:19 |
| kragen | it's not like openscad has much UI | 20:19 |
| nmz787 | DSN http://sm-7.net/upload/PCB/Autorouters%20and%20autoplacers/Cadence_specctra/Design_Language_Reference.pdf | 20:21 |
| nmz787 | that is an old version though | 20:21 |
| nmz787 | the version I use at work wasn't able to be opened with freerouting | 20:21 |
| nmz787 | I haven't actually looked at the freerouting code yet, but I did get it to 'compile' and run in netbeans | 20:22 |
| nmz787 | https://github.com/upverter/schematic-file-converter/blob/master/upconvert/writer/specctra.py | 20:24 |
| nmz787 | kanzure: fenn: does svg allow for layers? | 20:25 |
| kanzure | depends on what you consider a layer | 20:25 |
| nmz787 | well if we had two fluidic components, and we wanted to use them together, what do we do? | 20:29 |
| nmz787 | and there might be some above another | 20:30 |
| kanzure | above means what... 3d? | 20:32 |
| kanzure | two microfluidic components on a 2d plane can be merged into the same svg file by copying the part and pasting it at whatever grid coordinates you want | 20:33 |
| kanzure | (obviously this copy/paste will be happening in software and would not be manual) | 20:33 |
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| nmz787 | yes in 3d, in that case, you would want to design things so they lined up, but in manufacture they could either be thin-film (lithography) layers with some greyscaling (which would define the etch depth), or in the case of deposition you would want to slice however thick the device could handle | 20:39 |
| nmz787 | s/thin-film/etch/ | 20:39 |
| kanzure | well, exposure time can be an attribute of different regions or something | 20:40 |
| nmz787 | so you might want to design in 3D, but export greyscale layers | 20:40 |
| nmz787 | for a top-down view you can merging layers or turn them on/off like in photoshop/gimp | 20:41 |
| kanzure | always with you is it about guis | 20:41 |
| nmz787 | i meant conceptually | 20:41 |
| kanzure | hear you nothing that i say? | 20:41 |
| kanzure | how do you get so big eating food of this kind? | 20:41 |
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| kanzure | before you can create a gui you must have the correct data model | 20:42 |
| kanzure | otherwise your gui will be a pile of steaming garbage | 20:42 |
| nmz787 | no no I am not talking guis! | 20:42 |
| nmz787 | I promise! | 20:42 |
| kanzure | for the purposes of 2d design you could probably consider dxf and svg interchangeable | 20:43 |
| nmz787 | view-source:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Simple_sine_wave.svg | 20:49 |
| nmz787 | that isn't terribly nice | 20:49 |
| kanzure | it is definitely not meant to be human-readable | 20:50 |
| kanzure | you would use cairo or pysvg to write files | 20:50 |
| nmz787 | i guess they have other crap like the grid displayed on that too thoug | 20:50 |
| kanzure | svg was not designed to be human-readable | 20:50 |
| nmz787 | hah, this is using turtle http://interactivepython.org/courselib/static/thinkcspy/Labs/sinlab.html | 20:51 |
| nmz787 | i don't see anything for :cairo sine wave or :pysvg sine wave | 20:51 |
| nmz787 | https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/2007-May/msg00198.html | 20:52 |
| kanzure | .py 040 | 20:52 |
| yoleaux | 32 | 20:52 |
| kanzure | .py 080 | 20:52 |
| yoleaux | SyntaxError: invalid token (<string>, line 1) | 20:52 |
| nmz787 | last commit Nov 15 2012 https://code.google.com/p/pysvg/source/list | 20:54 |
| nmz787 | I'm not so sure about these tests https://code.google.com/p/pysvg/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2FpySVG%2Fsrc%2Ftests | 20:55 |
| kanzure | they should be comparing output with expected output but i don't see that happening there | 20:56 |
| nmz787 | this seems more like 'examples' | 20:57 |
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| jrayhawk | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPFOkr1eE7I is quite good | 21:04 |
| jrayhawk | .title | 21:05 |
| yoleaux | The human use of human beings. - YouTube | 21:05 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPFOkr1eE7I&t=11m | 21:07 |
| kanzure | first few minutes look like crap | 21:07 |
| kanzure | man i hate videos | 21:11 |
| jrayhawk | yeah, this is basically audio-content-only | 21:11 |
| jrayhawk | something to listen to while doing other things | 21:11 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPFOkr1eE7I&t=25m | 21:11 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPFOkr1eE7I&t=42m | 21:14 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPFOkr1eE7I&t=50m blah blah blah use alibaba not amazon | 21:17 |
| jrayhawk | i really should've prefaced my link with "people who are not kanzure: " | 21:18 |
| jrayhawk | man, he really breaks down in the presence of stupid questions | 21:19 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPFOkr1eE7I&t=59m20s typical metamed pitch | 21:19 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPFOkr1eE7I&t=68m hey look he's advocating buying capital equipment | 21:21 |
| kanzure | he has said something possibly redeeming! | 21:21 |
| kanzure | ugh | 21:22 |
| kanzure | he owes me +70 minutes | 21:22 |
| kragen | ha | 21:37 |
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