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| delinquentme | damn feelz goo | 03:36 |
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| delinquentme | DAMN FEELZ GOO | 03:46 |
| delinquentme | #clean History | 03:46 |
| delinquentme | nice bamf git commits | 03:46 |
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| kanzure_ | .wik maternal somatic support after brain death | 08:56 |
| yoleaux | "Maternal somatic support after brain death occurs when a brain dead patient is pregnant and her body is kept alive to deliver a fetus. It occurs very rarely internationally. Even among brain dead patients, in a U.S. study of 252 brain dead patients from 1990–96, only 5 (2.8%) cases involved pregnant women between 15 and 45 years of age." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_somatic_support_after_brain_death | 08:56 |
| yorick | the real question is why they only studied those ages | 08:59 |
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| kanzure_ | well, probably because they didn't want to study pregnant 10 year olds | 09:12 |
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| kanzure | "Hydroponics is generally worse for beginners. Having something planted in an outside soil plot generally means that you have more leeway for making mistakes. You can be a little over or underwatered and things won't die. You can miss the nutrient mix a bit, and things will still grow even if they aren't optimal. You generally don't have to worry about micronutrients and the like until you've been growing in the same plot for some number ... | 09:32 |
| kanzure | ... of years. ydroponics tends to be higher maintenance. You may have to water every day. You may have to feed and fertilize more often. You probably have to be more vigilant about pests and disease since you probably don't get help from the local environment." | 09:32 |
| kanzure | "Hydroponics would seem to be more amenable to automation though. So much of it (including the plants) can be standardized and monitored." | 09:32 |
| kanzure | at minimum, put those on conveyor belts and bring them to specialized workers (or other equipment) instead of transporting workers around to in-need places | 09:33 |
| kanzure | also, why aren't there generic vegetables that have been bred for specificly-entirely-generic feed and totally-normal-or-expectable variations in nutrition (i don't understand the interest in keeping around plants that are difficult to grow?) | 09:35 |
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| fenn | plants on conveyor belts is a cute idea, but then you're moving a lot of mass around for no particular reason. one worker robot can tend to a lot of plants, and only needs to move itself around | 10:12 |
| fenn | you could pretend the plants are on a conveyor belt and just move the whole factory around | 10:13 |
| fenn | and still save on moving mass | 10:13 |
| fenn | this is pretty much what farmers do now | 10:13 |
| fenn | underground tunnels full of fluorescent bulbs and nuclear power seems like a pretty important thing that should exist | 10:15 |
| JayDugger | Welcome to the wonderful world of defense contracting, fenn. | 10:23 |
| fenn | all i want for christmas... | 10:26 |
| kanzure | farmers have the right idea about cattle herding (thank temple) but not about corn herding | 10:31 |
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| fenn | a finn! quick quick get the gun! | 11:50 |
| nmz787 | yorick: it could be implying that was the age-range of pregnant women in the study | 11:51 |
| fenn | wait nsh is finnish? how did i not know this | 11:55 |
| BobaMa | nsh? | 11:56 |
| nsh | all the best-kept secrets are headline subjects | 11:56 |
| kanzure | that way nobody will believe them | 11:59 |
| fenn | the truth is out there | 12:00 |
| fenn | the x-files is a documentary | 12:00 |
| fenn | so is dilbert | 12:00 |
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| fenn | BobaMa: have you used EMC the CNC controller? | 12:05 |
| BobaMa | fenn: what's the gun for? you want to hand them for us? or do you have bad experience of us Finns? | 12:05 |
| BobaMa | fenn: not afaik | 12:05 |
| fenn | it's because they're a rare breed and i'd like to have one stuffed and mounted on the wall of the lodge (not really) | 12:05 |
| BobaMa | I have operated some CNC though | 12:05 |
| BobaMa | not sure what's the EMC | 12:06 |
| fenn | it's linux based controller software | 12:06 |
| BobaMa | ah, no then. the ones I've used were made before linux was born | 12:07 |
| fenn | i am interested in building concrete boats | 12:07 |
| BobaMa | why? I'm currently working at a shipyard | 12:10 |
| fenn | to sail off into the sunset of course | 12:11 |
| fenn | why does anyone build a boat | 12:11 |
| fenn | because i'm tired of schlepping my stuff around and moving from wooden box to wooden box | 12:12 |
| BobaMa | seasteading? | 12:12 |
| fenn | sort of | 12:12 |
| kanzure | hmm http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8kMNB4yBvAo/U8yTmm3NeFI/AAAAAAAAD1c/0Mp8vfBqp7U/s1600/BM11.jpg | 12:12 |
| fenn | whenever i think of seasteading now all i can come up with is a casino on a floating platform | 12:12 |
| fenn | kanzure looks pretty practical to me | 12:13 |
| BobaMa | I wish we were building some self-sufficient seasteading boats instead of luxury cruisers at the shipyard | 12:13 |
| kanzure | luxury ships aren't self-sufficient? | 12:13 |
| fenn | not at all | 12:14 |
| BobaMa | no, they require like a billion dollars worth of oil a day | 12:14 |
| fenn | at every port they take on vast quantities of consumables | 12:14 |
| BobaMa | or a million at least | 12:14 |
| kanzure | if a boat is taking on extra consumables, who cares? | 12:14 |
| kanzure | that's a surplus | 12:14 |
| fenn | it's not self-sufficient | 12:14 |
| kanzure | surpluses are not self-sufficient? | 12:14 |
| fenn | you've lost me | 12:14 |
| fenn | positive trade imbalance != self-sufficient | 12:15 |
| kanzure | if anything you should hate bad design | 12:15 |
| kanzure | not "this vehicle is capable of supporting luxury, oh noes" | 12:15 |
| kanzure | what's the point of wheels being on flimsy attachments | 12:16 |
| fenn | at minimum i'd want something that is energy independent, capable of weathering a storm, and can catch fish | 12:16 |
| kanzure | and if someone calls it luxurious...? | 12:16 |
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| fenn | most people's concept of luxury is orthogonal to mine | 12:16 |
| fenn | carpets? wooden furniture? i don't care at all | 12:17 |
| fenn | the little dog will be used as bait | 12:17 |
| fenn | the batmobile has an active suspension for crawling over piles of rubble | 12:19 |
| fenn | i don't agree with the caster design at all; presumably that was so they could build it as a cheap toy | 12:19 |
| fenn | if the "legs" already rotate why do you need to rotate again at the "wrist" | 12:20 |
| fenn | also power transmission seems problematic with the caster swivel | 12:21 |
| fenn | if big electric motors are in the wheel then you have a high unsprung mass | 12:21 |
| BobaMa | there's some fiction books I've come across which have more or less seasteading / shoresteading. Daniel Haight: Flotilla + sequel Iron Mountain. then there's David Brin's Existence which also has some dolphin action (I've read 50% of the book) | 12:21 |
| fenn | if it's being driven with a concentric drive shaft then your steering control is fighting against drive torque | 12:21 |
| kanzure | "Intermediate sized industrial storage tanks, often found used, can be joined together to form much longer compartmentalized structures reinforced by their joins. They often have manways and pipe connectors that might easily mount a few windows and can readily have more added. Those designed to store toxic chemicals often feature a double-wall construction which can be useful for reserve buoyancy and to add insulation to minimize the big ... | 12:22 |
| kanzure | ... problem of condensation in submerged areas. Such tanks are commonly sold used and can be found in steel, aluminum, or fiberglass and range between 8-12 feet in diameter--plenty of space for a modest home in vertical or horizontal configurations. However, just moving these things can cost thousands of dollars." | 12:22 |
| fenn | i don't need "plenty of space for a home" | 12:23 |
| fenn | that's land thinking | 12:23 |
| kanzure | hmm weird eric hunting ignored the under-the-water aspect | 12:23 |
| kanzure | i should have called him out on this | 12:23 |
| kanzure | i asked him "Yo dawg what about submarines?" and his reply was about surface-dweller stuff | 12:23 |
| fenn | is this on openmanufacturing? | 12:23 |
| kanzure | no, although i sent fennfoot his email | 12:24 |
| fenn | 8-12 feet diameter is not too bad i guess | 12:25 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ao5SCedIk | 12:27 |
| yoleaux | The Mighty J58 - The SR-71's Secret Powerhouse - YouTube | 12:27 |
| fenn | cool video | 12:31 |
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| fenn | kanzure what batmobile was that | 12:38 |
| kanzure | arkham knight | 12:38 |
| kanzure | http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7AykgIIWdPM/maxresdefault.jpg | 12:38 |
| kanzure | http://i.imgur.com/7833U7r.jpg | 12:39 |
| fenn | hmm the wheels do turn, that's dumb | 12:40 |
| kanzure | haha | 12:40 |
| fenn | reminds me of some alex iglesias stuff | 12:40 |
| kanzure | other sample http://cloud.attackofthefanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Batman-Arkham-Knight-Batmobile1.jpg | 12:40 |
| fenn | er, http://flyingdebris.deviantart.com | 12:41 |
| kanzure | "Mech time all the time" | 12:41 |
| kanzure | stupi time travelers messing up my timeline | 12:41 |
| fenn | you see how if the legs move you don't need the wheels to rotate in the same plane right? | 12:42 |
| kanzure | he sure does like bipedal machines | 12:42 |
| kanzure | what about it? | 12:42 |
| fenn | just the way the gun was drawn looked like his style | 12:43 |
| kanzure | "Homework assignment where we had to design something along the same lines as doom 3. So i decided to impale a zombie with a GAU-8 vulcan cannon." | 12:45 |
| fenn | better design http://uratz-studios.deviantart.com/art/LEGO-Technic-Tumbler-168531859 | 12:45 |
| kanzure | lunch truck http://flyingdebris.deviantart.com/art/Unfolding-lunch-truck-unfolded-49713336 | 12:47 |
| fenn | wait it has a jet engine _and_ a 350 chevy? | 12:47 |
| kanzure | "mad max assignment" http://flyingdebris.deviantart.com/art/Killer-Semi-48868824 | 12:47 |
| kanzure | i think this guy has access to my pile of sketches from school | 12:49 |
| kanzure | if i see a flying tank i'll know | 12:49 |
| fenn | shit i forgot my batkeys http://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/901731-batmobile-tumbler/lg/901731-batmobile-tumbler-002.jpg | 12:51 |
| fenn | nope locked on this side too http://www.sideshowtoy.com/assets/products/901731-batmobile-tumbler/lg/901731-batmobile-tumbler-003.jpg | 12:51 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO2_iUkojCY | 12:56 |
| yoleaux | Official Batman: Arkham Knight -- Batmobile Battle Mode Gameplay - YouTube | 12:56 |
| fenn | does batman have a titanium jaw implant | 12:58 |
| fenn | such a destructive lifestyle | 13:01 |
| fenn | batman never listens to his father | 13:01 |
| fenn | http://fennetic.net/irc/titanium_jaw_implant.png | 13:06 |
| kanzure | "I don't use guns. I'll never use a gun. Unless of course they're on my car." | 13:06 |
| fenn | "dammit batmobile, what did i tell you" | 13:06 |
| fenn | "The customized 3D-printed lower jaw was made out of titanium powder that was heated and fused together through a process known as laser melting. This method uses a high-powered laser that bound together the powdered metal layer by layer, and was coated with bio-ceramics that made the bone-substitute compatible with the body tissue." | 13:10 |
| fenn | "bio ceramics" is probably just hydroxyapatite | 13:10 |
| fenn | another view of the jaw implant http://www.supernews.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Screen-shot-2012-07-04-at-4.16.35-PM.png | 13:12 |
| kanzure | i think i should write a coin selection algorithm today | 13:20 |
| kanzure | like https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/33d5ee683085fe5cbb6fc6ea87d45c5f52882232/src/wallet.cpp#L1232 | 13:21 |
| fenn | i think i should select some coins today | 13:21 |
| kanzure | fundrawtransaction will be useful once merged | 13:22 |
| kanzure | but it doesn't support watchonly yet | 13:22 |
| kanzure | i suppose i could implement watchonly support in the fundrawtransaction proposal... hrm. | 13:22 |
| kanzure | i think the tradeoff is something like: avoid reimplmeenting coin selection if you do not want to write a few hundred test cases | 13:25 |
| kanzure | compared to the cost of having a fork of bitcoind with some custom patches | 13:25 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1bxBmJAAJE | 13:52 |
| yoleaux | Octopus learns to recognize symbols - YouTube | 13:52 |
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| kanzure | page 25 has a comparison of human, zebra finch, cuttlefish and octopus brain http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Temp/edelmandavid.pdf | 14:31 |
| kanzure | these slides are from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2ELSNzlwAI | 14:31 |
| kanzure | page 28 is okay | 14:32 |
| kanzure | page 38 is funny ("octopus neurophysiology: single-unit recording") | 14:34 |
| kanzure | "Nearly all structures you find in mammalian brains you can find an equivalent structure in bird brains." yep | 14:36 |
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| kanzure | lecture on cephalopod evolution http://andara.uqam.ca/Panopto/Content/Sessions/5d1d5536-a6b1-462b-835f-09f0c94bbc97/1c826ba7-d7f6-42a1-b3eb-9316674c6a5f-af62aed5-3dca-49e3-8c8a-6c9990ff16a1.mp4 | 14:54 |
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| kanzure | this video is pretty okay | 15:16 |
| kanzure | "giant pacific octopus has tens of thousands of eggs, and basically only two get to adulthood because of predation" | 15:22 |
| kanzure | i don't understand the background blending thing, their eyes are pointed the other way and even if they weren't the surface would be dark so how would they know to match the boundary coloration correctly? | 15:24 |
| fenn | they're not looking straight down at the shadow | 15:28 |
| kanzure | "look at the scene, choose where to hang out for a while, remember the boundaries and what sort of size you would have to squish into, and then plan some coloration based on my anticipated shape"? | 15:29 |
| kanzure | mm^2 color control | 15:30 |
| kanzure | 35 ms color switching | 15:30 |
| kanzure | "They can put a stripe on this side of their body, and a zebra on the other side, which is like talking out of both sides of your mouth. I don't think they have a visual language. Their displays are fairly stereotypical and not creative. They do not comment on external state, only in their internal state. I think they don't have language because they don't have anything interesting to say." | 15:33 |
| kanzure | "We know almost nothing about these animals." | 15:33 |
| kanzure | *only on their internal state | 15:33 |
| kanzure | abstract/comments for that video http://turingc.blogspot.ca/2012/07/jennifer-mather-evolutionary-pressures.html | 15:35 |
| kanzure | "I find them in Bonaire, in the Caribbean, because the near shore is all marine park. And I find them by the garbage heaps of shells outside their homes." | 15:37 |
| kanzure | "There's a paper on foraging strategies of one of the fruit-eating monkeys. They have to remember, like the octopuses, how to find their way ot to food and back to shelter. But they also have to remember what rain forest trees are fruiting or flowering at what time, and what cues tell them the fruit is ready...then how to get it and maybe how to compete with others for it. There's lots to learn and remember for primates, I suspect ... | 15:38 |
| kanzure | ... therefore that the pressures for evolution of intelligence were dual." | 15:38 |
| kanzure | hmm. | 15:38 |
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| kanzure | i don't know if i buy that, lots of animals have to remember where food is | 15:39 |
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| kanzure | http://montereybayaquarium.tumblr.com/post/17955182992/why-were-so-attached-to-the-giant-pacific | 16:11 |
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| bbrittain | I can't decide if cephalopods are awesome, or the doom of humanity | 16:22 |
| bbrittain | perfect example of non-human intelligence | 16:22 |
| bbrittain | tool users, with no mamallian basis | 16:23 |
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| bbrittain | they will rise from the deep cthulu style and vanquish humanity... | 16:23 |
| kanzure | i think you can just stand far enough away from an octopus and it forgets about you | 16:30 |
| kanzure | so you're safe.... for now | 16:30 |
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| fenn | old/large squids are possibly intelligent too | 16:47 |
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| kanzure | not sure what the hatching/yield problems are about | 16:47 |
| kanzure | no predators in an aquarium | 16:47 |
| kanzure | so what's the death about | 16:47 |
| fenn | it's programmed to die | 16:48 |
| kanzure | no the 10,000 eggs | 16:48 |
| kanzure | only 2 survivors? | 16:48 |
| fenn | sometimes this provides food for the babies | 16:48 |
| fenn | oh, who knows. ocean creatures are sensitive to lot of mysterious things | 16:48 |
| fenn | "The really hard part is feeding them, because we still don't know what they eat, and if we can crack that mystery, it will open up all kinds of doors to raising them," | 16:49 |
| fenn | "the offspring are so small they look like plankton lying on the bottom of the aquarium." | 16:49 |
| kanzure | // remove signature if we used the signing only for the fee calculation | 16:50 |
| kanzure | the "sign" parameter on CreateTransaction in wallet.cpp is.. not encouraging. | 16:50 |
| kanzure | oh, they haven't figured out what baby octopus eats? hmm | 16:51 |
| fenn | sign of what | 16:51 |
| kanzure | no the other sign | 16:51 |
| kanzure | "to sign or not sign" | 16:52 |
| fenn | if you don't sign the transaction, how would anyone verify it? | 16:52 |
| kanzure | CreateTransaction does not implicitly mean the transaction must be signed | 16:52 |
| kanzure | createrawtransaction, for instance, uses CreateTransaction | 16:53 |
| kanzure | and signrawtransaction is another available command | 16:53 |
| kanzure | what's the right "grep for x near y" command | 16:57 |
| fenn | grep y -a 10 -b 10 | grep x | 17:00 |
| fenn | grep y -A 10 -B 10 | grep x | 17:01 |
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| kanzure | "You can just go to http://mitm.it on the device. It's a 'magic domain' for the proxied host. See http://mitm.it/doc/certinstall/webapp.html " | 17:49 |
| kanzure | (mitmproxy stuff) | 17:49 |
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| fenn | accio mitmit | 18:06 |
| fenn | need to use spell quotes | 18:06 |
| fenn | ~deletrius prior incantato~ | 18:08 |
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| fenn | "Keeps Muggles away from wizarding places by causing the Muggles in question to forget what they were doing in the first place." | 18:16 |
| fenn | i wonder how feasible this would be to implement with modern technology | 18:16 |
| fenn | it's well known that flashes of bright light disrupt short term memory, but how to do it without being so obvious | 18:17 |
| kanzure | see that's why the cia planted me here to stop you from doing anything productive | 18:17 |
| fenn | oh look a puppy | 18:17 |
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| kanzure | huh, why am i rebuilding things i had previously built | 18:53 |
| kanzure | oh nevermind | 18:54 |
| kanzure | i made changes relevant to these artifacts. right. | 18:54 |
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