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| kanzure | gene_hacker: sup | 06:09 |
| kanzure | tell me things | 06:09 |
| heath | .title http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=08f_1258593020&use_old_player=1 | 06:20 |
| yoleaux | LiveLeak.com - Making of the Computer Graphics for Star Wars (Episode IV) | 06:20 |
| heath | tldw: manual labor | 06:21 |
| heath | first i've heard of this: http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/JDB | 06:27 |
| heath | it's similar to http://kx.com/ | 06:28 |
| heath | but open | 06:28 |
| kanzure | .title | 06:28 |
| yoleaux | Big data analytics, time-series database | Kx Systems | 06:28 |
| kanzure | influxdb does not seem to have indexes | 06:29 |
| kanzure | this channel http://f.tqn.com/y/animatedtv/1/7/n/boys.jpg | 06:32 |
| kanzure | but also http://www.actionplanet.com/VB-18.jpg so that's okay | 06:33 |
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| * heath should buy some bitcoin while everyone is freaking out | 10:29 | |
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| kanzure | did you get a paycheck yet? | 10:32 |
| kanzure | "Have room for a rhino? South Africa is selling 200 of them to protect animals from poachers" guys do we have rhino projects | 10:36 |
| justanotheruser | rhinos seem like an awesome wealth symbol | 10:37 |
| justanotheruser | There's only 200 of them, it's like living versace | 10:37 |
| kanzure | hm | 10:39 |
| justanotheruser | Maybe we should let a large corporation breed rhinos so they can sell their horns. Just require them to have 10 living rhinos at all times | 10:41 |
| kanzure | kinda small population don't you think? | 10:41 |
| justanotheruser | they could swap their rhinos with some in the wild every 2 generations | 10:42 |
| kanzure | unfortunately the morons in charge of things decided to make it illegal to sell any elephant ivory (even from elephants grown in captivity) | 10:42 |
| kanzure | so the only way to get fresh elephant ivory is to poach the wild elephants | 10:42 |
| justanotheruser | yeah, it may be better just to give an incentive to create more elephants | 10:43 |
| justanotheruser | pls make poaching_incentives.tek | 10:43 |
| kanzure | .in 500h elephant poaching incentives | 10:48 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: I'll remind you on 4 Feb 2015 14:48Z | 10:48 |
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| cluckj | why not grow them in a dish? | 11:20 |
| kanzure | rhinos? i dunno man | 11:22 |
| cluckj | just some horn | 11:22 |
| cluckj | might be more fun or interesting than artificially inseminating a rhino | 11:25 |
| cluckj | and faster | 11:25 |
| ParahSailin | well, chinese mysticism works by sympathetic magic rules, not science | 11:28 |
| ParahSailin | so unless your dish has the property of being extremely virile and robust, then dish-grown horn is useless | 11:28 |
| cluckj | hmm | 11:28 |
| cluckj | maybe grow rhino dick and horn in the same dish? | 11:28 |
| ParahSailin | if you want one that you can make in a dish, maybe try bear bile | 11:29 |
| cluckj | the mental image of that is seriously hilarious | 11:29 |
| kanzure | this channel http://f.tqn.com/y/animatedtv/1/7/n/boys.jpg | 11:30 |
| cluckj | ^ | 11:30 |
| heath | kanzure: not yet | 11:31 |
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| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhZjQwHJFJY | 11:37 |
| yoleaux | The Boys Never Died | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim - YouTube | 11:37 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NpsXS8bnHE | 11:38 |
| yoleaux | Crocodile Attack | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim - YouTube | 11:38 |
| kanzure | "why did you bring a death ray to a peace conference?" "well it's not really a death ray" "it is an invention that can be used for great evil" "well you can technically say that about any technology" "well yes but in particular a death ray" "what did i just say?" classic dr. venture | 11:40 |
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| andytoshi | has anyone tried to give octopii exoskeletons and teach them to walk? | 14:49 |
| andytoshi | (this is sorta a continuation of a convo on -wizards from several hours ago) | 14:49 |
| kanzure | andytoshi: http://fennetic.net/irc/Neofin-thumb.jpg | 14:50 |
| kanzure | generally not that many people have worked with octopus | 14:51 |
| kanzure | a somewhat neglected species | 14:51 |
| andytoshi | hmm, dolphins then .. i'm guessing because that's CGI and not a photo nobody built that thing | 14:53 |
| andytoshi | octopus and jellyfish fascinate me | 14:53 |
| andytoshi | (but maybe the magic would go away if i actually studied them) | 14:53 |
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| faceface | hmm... why wasn't I in here already? | 14:55 |
| kanzure | andytoshi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjToyA-iBug | 14:55 |
| kanzure | andytoshi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqHuTElRwmo | 14:56 |
| kanzure | andytoshi: http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bio/octopus/ | 14:57 |
| andytoshi | eeeee!! | 14:59 |
| andytoshi | so cool | 14:59 |
| kanzure | since you can see their brain size while they are in eggs you can do directed evolution experiments where you choose octopus with larger brains | 14:59 |
| kanzure | you just shine a flash light through the egg and you see everything | 14:59 |
| nmz787_i | andytoshi: why exoskeletons, rather than endo? | 15:06 |
| andytoshi | nmz787_i: easier to install | 15:08 |
| kanzure | water maintenance requirements would be brutal | 15:09 |
| kanzure | not impossible, but would require lot of equipment to be cleverly installed.... somewhere... | 15:09 |
| kanzure | and then you need an interface | 15:09 |
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| kragen | .g freshwater octopus | 15:42 |
| yoleaux | http://www.animalplanet.com/tv-shows/lost-tapes/creatures/oklahoma-octopus/ | 15:42 |
| kragen | .g freshwater octopus intelligence | 15:42 |
| yoleaux | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus | 15:42 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: water maintenance | 15:43 |
| nmz787_i | ? | 15:43 |
| kanzure | they poop... a lot. | 15:44 |
| nmz787_i | oh, you mean keeping one in a tank | 15:44 |
| nmz787_i | I guess I interpreted andytoshi's comment as 'GMO the hell out of an octopus and let them have rights like people' | 15:44 |
| kanzure | exoskeletons can still involve water | 15:48 |
| nmz787_i | andytoshi: were you not talking about a GMO exoskeleton? | 15:50 |
| kanzure | https://soundcloud.com/insert-name/insert-name-dj-mix-nov-14 | 15:50 |
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| nmz787_i | hmm | 16:10 |
| nmz787_i | .title http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/terminator-seeds.aspx | 16:10 |
| yoleaux | Monsanto | Myth: Monsanto Sells Terminator Seeds | 16:10 |
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| kanzure | hehe i should have my paper server return pdfs with subtly wrong math proofs | 16:38 |
| kanzure | any paper that has some math in it, just modify it a little bit- add some wrong constants, symbols not referenced in the paper, etc. | 16:39 |
| kanzure | this could be done automatically on the fly | 16:39 |
| kanzure | i suppose doing the same but with wikipedia would be more interesting, and then serve up wrong results to different countries | 16:40 |
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| andytoshi | nmz787_i: i was thinking we'd build exoskeletons and wire them into the octopus nerves when they were babies or something (and yes, it occured to me how hard water maintenance would be) | 16:45 |
| andytoshi | but yes, presuming they learned to communicate and build stuff like the rest of us, we would have to afford them rights | 16:45 |
| nmz787_i | oh, I always just assume GMO :) | 16:45 |
| kanzure | andytoshi: you would just communicate visually or by touch, instead of surgery | 16:46 |
| kanzure | so basically: aquarium + wheels | 16:47 |
| nmz787_i | what's the point of learning to walk if they still need water? | 16:48 |
| nmz787_i | I think andytoshi was talking about wiring up the exoskeleton for the octopu | 16:48 |
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| kanzure | http://cirqoid.com/ "Cirqoid is a printed circuit board prototyping machine ... Cirqoid can do insulation milling of your PCB (aka mechanical etching), drill holes, dispense solder paste and even populate the board with SMD components." | 18:19 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8888688 | 18:19 |
| yoleaux | Cirqoid – printed circuit board prototyping machine | Hacker News | 18:19 |
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| bbrittain | creative commons ran out of money, fired 1/3 of it's staff :( | 18:38 |
| kanzure | what was it using that staff for? | 18:41 |
| bbrittain | lawyers | 18:42 |
| kragen | that is a bummer | 18:46 |
| justanotheruser | How is that different from a CNC machine? | 18:59 |
| kanzure | pick-and-place | 18:59 |
| justanotheruser | I didn't get far enough in the video either to see it dispenses paste | 19:01 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8qkaTsr2_o&t=70s | 19:01 |
| cluckj | http://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/2sfyu7/i_just_finished_soldering_this_yesterday_my_watch/ | 19:01 |
| cluckj | I need this. | 19:02 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: is this real time? | 19:03 |
| kanzure | real time is best time | 19:04 |
| kanzure | yeah | 19:04 |
| kanzure | that video is practically therapeutic | 19:04 |
| justanotheruser | I'm guessing that's got a nice pricetag on it? | 19:04 |
| kanzure | >$20k usually | 19:06 |
| kanzure | http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUKI-FX3RAL-FX3-High-Speed-Pick-and-Place-2013-60k-CPH-SMT-JAS-/281561438516?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item418e5e9934 | 19:06 |
| kanzure | $100k motorized feeder part http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-pick-and-place-equipment-SS-8MM-smt-motorized-feeder-KHJ-MC100-000-2-/321399229124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad4e30ac4 | 19:06 |
| justanotheruser | thats actually about an order of magnitude less than my guess | 19:06 |
| kanzure | of course, these aren't anywhere near $100k in parts | 19:06 |
| kanzure | this is ebay, so it's probably used or something | 19:07 |
| kanzure | companies are probably paying >$1M or something silly (support, service, maintenance, repairs, insurance, training, ....) | 19:07 |
| justanotheruser | I need more toys | 19:07 |
| justanotheruser | but I can't pay $180k for one :P | 19:07 |
| kanzure | right, if you go through life paying $1M for every piece of equipment, you run out of money pretty uqick | 19:08 |
| kanzure | so really the right way to do this is to just bootstrap your own ability to make these machines yourself | 19:08 |
| kanzure | a good machine shop is not going to cost you millions of bucks to make | 19:08 |
| kanzure | and you pretty quickly get to the point where you can make stuff that in parts costs you <$5k but would have been priced at $200k on the market or some shit :( | 19:09 |
| justanotheruser | how much do fablab.yaml and techshop.yaml cost? | 19:12 |
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| kanzure | impossible to know because nobody publishes prices | 19:13 |
| kanzure | but uh, ask fenn | 19:14 |
| kanzure | he might remember | 19:14 |
| nmz787 | any ideas on how to increase user-base/community/usage of www.takeitapart.com ? | 19:15 |
| nmz787 | so far most inquiries have been regarding in-real-life support, usually of groups of kids, for taking stuff apart | 19:16 |
| kanzure | pay some security people (people that do reverse engineering magic) to write (exclusive) blog posts | 19:17 |
| kanzure | er by exclusive i mean they wont paste their content on their own blog | 19:18 |
| kanzure | i mean, they won't strip the references to takeitapart.com | 19:18 |
| kanzure | for reference go look at the upverter blog or something, i don't know | 19:19 |
| kanzure | or the octopart blog | 19:19 |
| cluckj | has anyone in here run a wixel off of usb-otg? | 19:22 |
| justanotheruser | kanzure: fenn followed that exactly? | 19:23 |
| kanzure | i don't remember the details, but i'm pretty sure he has put a lot of thought into answering that exact question ("how do i get this stuff?") | 19:25 |
| nmz787 | cluckj: have you seen the esp8266? | 19:28 |
| cluckj | no | 19:29 |
| nmz787 | $5 wifi module with MCU | 19:29 |
| cluckj | the hack right now is set up for a particular BLE module | 19:29 |
| cluckj | sweet | 19:29 |
| nmz787 | I am working on an nRF8001 now | 19:29 |
| nmz787 | for BLE | 19:29 |
| cluckj | I need to locate the developer | 19:30 |
| nmz787 | I was also looking at the lbm313, which is just a packaged TI CC2540 | 19:30 |
| nmz787 | it also has an MCU | 19:30 |
| nmz787 | but being a TI MCU... it is a major PITA to use | 19:30 |
| nmz787 | so most people end up hooking an arduino up to it | 19:30 |
| nmz787 | such a horrific computer tragedy | 19:30 |
| nmz787 | but I guess TI is mostly responsible | 19:31 |
| cluckj | that esp8266 is low enough power to run off the wixel | 19:31 |
| cluckj | but if the wixel can run off of usb-otg, it doesn't need bluetooth | 19:33 |
| cluckj | the hack is basically a translator into bluetooth for a wireless signal put off by the implanted glucose sensor | 19:35 |
| nmz787 | hmm? | 19:35 |
| nmz787 | so the sensor doesn't speak bluetooth | 19:36 |
| nmz787 | ? | 19:36 |
| cluckj | https://github.com/StephenBlackWasAlreadyTaken/DexDrip | 19:36 |
| nmz787 | oh, I was just there but didn't look closely | 19:36 |
| cluckj | not yet, the next generation sensor will....but who knows when that will happen (thanks FDA) | 19:36 |
| nmz787 | https://github.com/StephenBlackWasAlreadyTaken/DexDrip/blob/gh-pages/hardware_setup.md | 19:37 |
| cluckj | yes | 19:37 |
| nmz787 | so the wixel doesn't seem to do bluetooth | 19:37 |
| nmz787 | just general 2.4GHz | 19:38 |
| cluckj | yes | 19:38 |
| cluckj | the sensor transmits at some subfrequencies in 2.4Ghz | 19:38 |
| nmz787 | can you tell if they are the same as on the nrf2401? | 19:38 |
| nmz787 | cause if so... you will save a lot of headache probably to just mash this up http://playground.arduino.cc/InterfacingWithHardware/Nrf2401 | 19:39 |
| cluckj | probably | 19:39 |
| nmz787 | maybe I'm wrong, but this seems to be the main wixel code loop https://github.com/StephenBlackWasAlreadyTaken/wixel-DexDrip/blob/master/apps/dexdrip/dexdrip.c#L348 | 19:40 |
| nmz787 | print_packet(&Pkt); is my guess for what sends it out the bluetooth | 19:40 |
| cluckj | 2.424999877 Ghz, 2.4499936677 Ghz, 2.474737539 Ghz, 2.477236919 Ghz, according to the manual | 19:40 |
| cluckj | the nrf2401 doesn't have a microcontroller on it, and the wixel doesn't have BT on it | 19:42 |
| cluckj | hah | 19:42 |
| nmz787 | yeah | 19:42 |
| nmz787 | but an arduino mini goes for $2 on aliexpress, $10 sparkfun | 19:42 |
| cluckj | a different BT transceiver would definitely make it smaller and lower powered | 19:43 |
| nmz787 | and nordic makes the nrf8001 ble module | 19:43 |
| cluckj | true | 19:43 |
| nmz787 | I have two in front of me now... haven't powered them up yet | 19:43 |
| nmz787 | I paid $18 on ebay and $20 from adafruit | 19:43 |
| nmz787 | aliexpress has them for $5 | 19:44 |
| cluckj | nice | 19:44 |
| nmz787 | and also that esp8266 is $5, if you'd like wifi data instead | 19:44 |
| nmz787 | heh | 19:44 |
| nmz787 | checkmybloodsugarlevel.com | 19:44 |
| cluckj | the wifi on the phone will only connect to one thing at a time | 19:44 |
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| nmz787 | yeah | 19:45 |
| cluckj | BT is better | 19:45 |
| nmz787 | someone on hackaday was commenting to get some mesh network stuff going in the SoC arena | 19:45 |
| nmz787 | $5 MCU+mesh would be awesome... hook that to a small battery and solar panel for another 10 or 15, add a 5 temp+humidity sensor | 19:46 |
| nmz787 | 5$ | 19:46 |
| cluckj | wunderground on steroids | 19:46 |
| nmz787 | channel spacing on nrf2401 is 1MHz | 19:46 |
| nmz787 | my buddy has a farm with a big fence | 19:46 |
| nmz787 | so I've been thinking of security systems | 19:47 |
| cluckj | lol | 19:47 |
| nmz787 | he also has an electric fence, which has a remote that can interact with the controller at the barn | 19:47 |
| nmz787 | to turn the fence on or off | 19:47 |
| kanzure | how about a camera on a giant pole | 19:48 |
| nmz787 | yeah, but then he needs mesh or something to pipe it back to him | 19:49 |
| cluckj | they make wifi security cameras | 19:49 |
| nmz787 | or some long ass wire or fiber optic | 19:49 |
| nmz787 | problem is in forested and non-line-of-sight wifi doesn't make it too far | 19:49 |
| nmz787 | so he could need a lot of mesh points | 19:49 |
| strages | arcnet over the fence wire | 19:50 |
| nmz787 | yeah, I just started looking that up | 19:50 |
| nmz787 | .title http://www.google.com/patents/US5651025 | 19:52 |
| yoleaux | Patent US5651025 - Method and apparatus pertaining to communication along an electric fence line - Google Patents | 19:52 |
| cluckj | nmz787, the wixel probably does <1Mhz | 19:56 |
| nmz787 | 250kHz | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | err | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | wait | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | they also say 750 and 1MHz | 19:58 |
| cluckj | hmmmmm | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | a | 19:58 |
| nmz787 | it is selectable | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | more bandwidth needs higher spacing | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | min is 250kHz tho | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | when you posted about 'the manual' | 19:59 |
| cluckj | sensor transmitter is 334.7kHz bandwidth | 19:59 |
| nmz787 | was that from the sensor? | 19:59 |
| cluckj | yeah | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | well the TI doc says for 250kbaud you need 750kHz spacing | 20:00 |
| nmz787 | and for 500kbaud you need 1MHz | 20:00 |
| cluckj | the tx rate is around 50kb | 20:01 |
| nmz787 | what was 334.7 then? you said bandwidth | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | hrmm | 20:02 |
| cluckj | the hacked receiver must just be luckily picking up one of the four tx frequencies the sensor is sending | 20:02 |
| nmz787 | the numbers you posted are ~25 MHz apart | 20:03 |
| nmz787 | there is some compensation/adjust in the frequency with certain protocols it seems | 20:04 |
| cluckj | yes | 20:04 |
| nmz787 | yeah I guess they're the same then | 20:05 |
| nmz787 | ISM | 20:05 |
| cluckj | k | 20:06 |
| cluckj | the sensor probably sends at four different frequencies to avoid interference | 20:07 |
| cluckj | eh, too sleepy to think about this anymore...I'll track down the developer tomorrow to see what's up | 20:09 |
| cluckj | goodnight | 20:09 |
| nmz787 | night | 20:09 |
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| fenn | cluckj: too bad glucowatch didn't make it to market https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_Inc#How_the_GlucoWatch_Works | 20:42 |
| fenn | i thought it used LEDs to measure the glucose concentration, actually | 20:42 |
| nmz787 | just got the sparkfun oled module to run on an edison | 20:47 |
| fenn | justanotheruser: i think i remember someone saying the boston fablab spent about $750k on tools and materials, and techshop something like $2million, but they are bad at acquiring stuff and solved problems by throwing money at them (and wasted a bunch probably) | 20:47 |
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| kanzure | and $2 million didn't get them the really fun stuff anyway | 20:48 |
| kanzure | "look at our over-priced totally broken laser cutter! schedule reserved until may 2018" | 20:48 |
| fenn | the waterjet was pretty expensive i bet | 20:48 |
| nmz787 | 40W lasers are now like $400-600 | 20:48 |
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| fenn | justanotheruser: i think i remember someone saying the boston fablab spent about $750k on tools and materials, and techshop something like $2million, but they are bad at acquiring stuff and solved problems by throwing money at them (and wasted a bunch probably) | 20:49 |
| abetusk | I've been keeping a watch on those cheapo Chinese 40W laser cutters, and they're in the $600 range last time I checked | 20:54 |
| fenn | just imagine it's a kit project and you won't be disappointed | 20:56 |
| kanzure | i don't think those would be able to handle the sort of workloads that techshop goes through in a popular area | 20:57 |
| kanzure | like 10 hours/day of use, i would imagine | 20:57 |
| kanzure | perhaps this explains the perpetually scheduled, perpetually under-repair laser cutters plaguing hackerspaces everywhere | 20:58 |
| nmz787 | I've aligned a chinese CO2 laser once, it wasn't too bad | 20:58 |
| nmz787 | for high-use I think proper exhaust ventilation to keep the optics as clear as possible would be prudent | 20:59 |
| kanzure | a lot of the hackerspace emails i get are about dirty mirrors and dirty optics from broken laser cutters -_- | 20:59 |
| abetusk | What is the issue with the high work loads? Cooling and good venting for optic cleanliness? Or is there another reason they can't handle it? | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | if you don't have some liquid crystal sheet, you can use old thermal paper from receipts, but a lc sheet is much better | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | but it isn't easy to align them | 21:00 |
| nmz787 | so anything needing replaced needs some TLC | 21:01 |
| nmz787 | the first time is probably the hardest though | 21:01 |
| kanzure | i think there's also some calibration issues that happen when people pick up and then replace the mirrors | 21:02 |
| kanzure | s/replace/re-insert | 21:02 |
| nmz787 | well yeah, you need to re-align the whole system | 21:02 |
| nmz787 | or at least anything downbeam of that component | 21:02 |
| abetusk | $600 is about the range where I'd be willing to take a chance. I was thinking of swapping out the guts with a smoothieboard | 21:04 |
| nmz787 | might be able to get one without controls | 21:05 |
| abetusk | hmm, never considered it...you have an idea of where to look? | 21:05 |
| nmz787 | aliexpress | 21:06 |
| kanzure | .g aliexpress 40w laser cutter | 21:07 |
| yoleaux | http://www.aliexpress.com/cheap/cheap-40w-laser-engraver.html | 21:07 |
| kanzure | .gc site:kickstarter.com "laser cutter" "open source" | 21:09 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: Sorry, that command (.gc) crashed. | 21:09 |
| kanzure | .gc site:kickstarter.com "laser cutter" "open source" | 21:09 |
| yoleaux | kanzure: Sorry, that command (.gc) crashed. | 21:09 |
| kanzure | hmph | 21:09 |
| nmz787 | aliexpress may have some with smoothieboards | 21:09 |
| nmz787 | the 405nm laser etcher i bought used OSH | 21:09 |
| kanzure | abetusk: also there's some neato DLP 3d printers if you're willing to splurge, although in parts you can probably do it cheaper | 21:10 |
| abetusk | http://www.ebay.com/itm/CO2-LASER-ENGRAVING-MACHINE-W-COOLING-FAN-40W-LASER-TUBE-THIRD-GENERATION/331106809224?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131231084308%26meid%3D2c9aa7d74e984047b4cd2a7467e5614e%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D12%26rkt%3D23%26sd%3D181623338942 | 21:11 |
| abetusk | kanzure, on aliexpress? | 21:12 |
| kanzure | dunno | 21:12 |
| abetusk | I see one for $2150... | 21:14 |
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