2015-01-15.log

--- Log opened Thu Jan 15 00:00:24 2015
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heathif anyone ever decides to buy me something, don't hesitate to get me one of these: http://jonnyonthe.com/images/design/product-somneo-sleep-mask.jpg02:32
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heath"Somneo Sleep Trainer that exploits one- or two-hour windows for strategic naps in mobile sleeping environments. Screening out ambient noise and visual distractions, the mask carries a heating element around the eyes, based on the finding that facial warming helps send people to sleep. It also carries a blue light that gradually brightens as your set alarm time approaches, suppressing the sleep hormone melatonin for a less groggy awakening."02:34
heath" The idea of the Somneo is to fast-track through Stage 1 sleep, a gateway stage with few inherent benefits, and enter Stage 2, which at least restores fatigued muscles and replenishes alertness."02:34
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heathhttps://github.com/yaronn/blessed-contrib03:05
heathBuild dashboards using ascii/ansi art and javascript03:05
narwh4lnot sure if impressed or disgusted03:18
narwh4lnodejs is how I know there is no god03:18
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cluckjfenn, the glucowatch apparently was pretty terrible at reading glucose03:52
cluckjthe dexcom sensor that the hack I pasted is based on, is really quite good at it03:52
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justanotheruserfenn: well I'm not looking to spend $2m o_O04:11
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heathjustanotheruser: i still have my grant proposal for a fablab06:27
heathif you need one06:27
justanotheruserheath: how much is it/06:27
heathit was a template given to me by the MIT fablab06:27
justanotheruserkanzure: was telling me yesterday I could bootstrap my ability to make cool stuff for less than $1 million06:28
heathdefinitely the case06:28
heathyou can start making cool stuff for 1% of that06:28
heath2% and you might need a team :)06:29
ParahSailingood grief "[DIYbio] Bioengineering a Dragon"06:29
heathno clue how much the grant asked for now, i'd have to look06:29
justanotheruserI probably will just end up finding a hackerspace, unfortunately there are none where I live06:29
ParahSailindragons are hexapods, so cannot make one out of tetrapod, best bet is to start with a lobster06:30
heathjustanotheruser: i don't think there was a specific price06:30
ParahSailinthe chinese word for lobster is dragon shrimp so you're almost there already06:30
heathit's just a generic template for when you apply for various grants iirc06:30
heathi'm sick of the grant thing though06:30
heathprobably better to start a business06:30
justanotheruserdo businesses actually pay you to buy toys?06:32
heathif you're the manager, you pay yourself for whatever you want/need06:32
justanotheruserWhat is the grant usually for? A research team? A hackerspace?06:32
heaths/manager/owner06:32
heathdepends, i had about 30? grants on a list06:32
heathdon't recall how many we applied for06:32
heathor you could do like most people and work on interesting things on the side and hope that one day you hit a jackpot which can be used to pursue your hobbies full time06:33
justanotheruserYeah06:34
justanotheruserIt seems hackerspaces are much more cost effective06:34
justanotheruserI'd rather spend $2k and share between 50 people06:34
cluckjhackerspaces multiply expertise06:35
cluckjif you don't know how to do something, there is someone who can show you how to do it in 5 minutes instead of you spending a few hours on the internet :)06:35
justanotheruseryep06:35
justanotheruserare most hackerspaces also startup incubators?06:36
heathjustanotheruser: sounds almost like you're going through what i experienced06:36
heathi want a fablab! okay, i'll settle for a hackerspace06:36
cluckjsort of?06:36
heathjustanotheruser: some businesses come from them06:36
cluckjsome are intentionally setup that way06:36
cluckj(they tend to be the sleazier ones imho)06:36
cluckjand like...cost a bunch of money to join06:38
heaththat's my experience as well06:38
cluckjya06:38
cluckjthe folks that start the "hacker" (read: incubator) spaces tend to want to exploit local hacker talent for their own benefit06:39
cluckjat least from what I've seen :o06:39
cluckjjustanotheruser, where are you located?06:41
justanotherusercluckj: middle of nowhere, midwest06:41
justanotheruserI won't be living here more than a year longer though06:42
cluckjlol06:42
cluckjlike you live in the middle of nowhere, or in a city in the middle of nowhere?06:42
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heathjustanotheruser: what's the metro population there?06:43
justanotherusermetro?06:43
justanotheruserlike the big city an hour away from me?06:43
cluckjouch06:43
justanotherusermy cities population is ~25k06:44
justanotheruserbbl06:44
cluckjk06:44
cluckjmy city is 50k population and we have a hacker (incubator) space06:45
eudoxiaone million people live in this city and there isn't a hackerspace06:46
heathmy hometown: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence,_Alabama06:47
heathmetro 147k06:47
cluckjmake one, I bet there are a bunch of hackers that would love a space06:47
heathit was possible there06:47
heathbut it was difficult because we were all broke college students06:47
cluckjthat's kinda the best way to start a hackerspace :)06:48
heathmy advice: if you can afford it, do it. if you don't have the money, start a business06:48
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cluckjyeah06:49
cluckjmy experience of BOSSLAB was that's how they did it06:49
heathstart a business || or get a job06:49
heaths/or// :)06:49
cluckjit helped that there was an educational non-profit that was super friendly to them using their space06:49
cluckjbunch of broke folks sharing a space/equipment = hackerspace06:50
cluckjrun workshops for local kids on arduino programming or something to raise cash06:51
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heathhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron07:32
heath.w SRWare_Iron07:33
yoleauxSorry, I couldn't find a definition for 'SRWare_Iron'.07:33
heath.tw SRWare_Iron07:33
yoleauxOch, A cannae finde nae tweet07:33
heathone of these07:33
heath...07:33
heath.wa SRWare_Iron07:34
yoleauxS: R: W: a: r: e: _: I: r: o: n: English words: (no complete common words); English word continuations: (no continuations)07:34
heath.wik SRWare_Iron07:35
yoleaux"SRWare Iron is a freeware web browser, and an implementation of Chromium by SRWare of Germany. It primarily aims to eliminate usage tracking and other privacy-compromising functionality that the Google Chrome browser includes." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron07:35
heathyay07:35
heathyoleaux is based on which bot?07:35
heath.title http://hackaday.com/2015/01/12/electroplating-copper-and-silver-onto-3d-prints/07:39
yoleauxElectroplating Copper and Silver onto 3D Prints | Hackaday07:39
kanzure06:30 < ParahSailin> dragons are hexapods, so cannot make one out of tetrapod, best bet is to start with a lobster07:47
cluckjtape two tetrapods together, yeesh this ain't rocket science07:48
cluckjmaybe remove some legs w/e07:49
kragenheath: saxo iirc07:50
kanzureeudoxia: you have better things to be doing than starting local hackerspaces07:51
eudoxiakanzure: that's why i won't07:51
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kanzureeudoxia: perfect07:59
kanzurehttp://motherboard.vice.com/read/theres-a-problem-in-the-silk-road-trial-the-jury-doesnt-get-the-internet08:00
heathyikes08:02
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tiktaalikpaperbot08:33
tiktaalikwhere you go?08:33
tiktaalikkanzure: ^08:33
kanzurepaperbot is dead until someone fixes it08:36
kanzurehttps://github.com/kanzure/paperbot08:36
jrayhawk_for now there's libgen.in08:36
kanzurehttps://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/3808:37
kanzurehttps://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/3608:37
kanzurehttps://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/3208:37
kanzurehttps://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/808:38
kanzurehttps://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/issues/4 <--- probably the most important open issue08:38
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nmz787_iheath: I saw that electroplating link yesterday, pretty cool. I actually posted online about a similar idea (using carbon as a base layer) and was told that it would likely be too weak of an adhesion which would cause the plating to flake off.10:55
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heathhttp://www.nature.com/news/game-theorists-crack-poker-1.1668311:10
heath.title11:10
yoleauxGame theorists crack poker : Nature News & Comment11:10
heath"Of course, no poker algorithm can be mathematically guaranteed to win every game, because the game involves a large element of chance based on the hand you’re dealt. But Bowling and his colleagues have demonstrated that their algorithm always wins in the long run."11:12
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cluckjkanzure you are rubbing off on me: <cluckj> hackers don't need FDA approval :)11:35
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heath.title http://www.badaward.nl/open-call-2015/11:37
yoleauxOPEN CALL 2015 | Bio Art & Design Awards11:37
heath–New this year: non-EU residents are encouraged to apply and may use11:37
heathSkype for the FIRST matchmaking event instead of having to pay for a11:37
heathtrip to The Hague. Finalists will still have to come to the Hague to11:37
heathpresent on May 22.11:37
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nmz787_icluckj: so do you have one of those implanted glucose monitors already?11:58
cluckjyes11:59
cluckjI've had one for about 16 months11:59
cluckjthere are things I learned today in looking for the dev of that device that I am even more excited about >:D12:02
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nmz787_icluckj: yeah the dexdrip code didn't seem to be doing too much in the way of processing... they basically defined a struct ( I think) for the incoming data, to massage it into something more easily emitted to the bluetooth client12:14
cluckjyep12:14
nmz787_ithat file was only around 300 lines long too12:14
nmz787_iso should be easy to port to any other system12:14
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cluckjtheoretically :)12:15
nmz787_ii got the BLE module demo working last night12:18
nmz787_ithen I got stuck with C++ type conversions12:18
nmz787_i:/12:18
nmz787_itoo much Python lately I guess12:18
cluckj:/12:18
cluckjI haven't coded C++ in like 10 years12:19
cluckjI might just put that hack together as-is...it's only about $5512:22
nmz787_ii'd test it for you if i had a sensor12:24
nmz787_ias I have some of the nRF2401 chips12:24
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cluckjI have two, but one is broken :(12:26
cluckjhang out outside an endocrinologist's office and you're bound to pick up some dexcom traffic12:27
nmz787_ilol12:30
cluckj"excuse me miss may I have your digits? I mean dexcom transmitter ID?"12:33
cluckjcan the nrf2401 do bluetooth?12:34
nmz787_ino12:34
nmz787_ionly the ISM stuff12:34
nmz787_ioh12:35
nmz787_ihttp://blog.cyberexplorer.me/2014/01/sniffing-and-decoding-nrf24l01-and.html12:35
nmz787_iused an rtl-sdr12:35
nmz787_ito sniff bluetooth and ISM12:35
cluckjneat12:36
cluckjmight be easier to stick a bt module to the arduino tho12:38
nmz787_iguess it depends what you are after12:39
nmz787_iyesterday you were mentioning usb-otg12:39
cluckjyes12:39
cluckjplugging it into a cell phone might also be possible12:40
nmz787_iusing adb bridge would work if using android12:40
cluckjespecially since another project hooks the receiver to a cell phone to download the data12:40
cluckjwhich is great under certain use conditions (like for children who need to go to school and be monitored by their parents at a distance)12:43
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cluckjfor me it would be sticking a sniffer onto my cell phone and running it all on there12:49
kanzurehmm yeah i don't know why you would bother monitoring the kids from a distance, it's not like you could trust the school to actually respond to medical needs12:50
cluckjI know right12:50
kanzurearen't those the institutions that confiscate inhalers and shit?12:50
cluckjyep12:50
kanzurek12:50
cluckjthey insist on keeping the inhalers in the nurse's office because WHAT IF LITTLE TIMMY DOESNT USE IT AS DIRECTED???12:51
nmz787_iI might argue Timmy should know right from wrong enough if they're the age where I release them to non-biological-parents12:51
cluckjor like uses it as a toy gun12:52
kanzureevery kid should be fitted with a mandatory epinephrine pen12:52
kanzurealso every kid should be instructed in the correct operation of said epinephrine pen12:52
kanzurenote: kids should each get one or two freebie pranks involving aforementioned epinephrine delivery device12:53
cluckjmutually assured endocrine disruption12:54
nmz787_iwhen I worked in the desert we would joke about using the epi pen on some day we were super-bored... never did though12:54
cluckjlol12:54
nmz787_iwell presumably a school would have wifi, so the esp8266 might be good for that scenario... if cell phones at a school were banned or similarly confiscated by the teacher12:56
kanzureoften schools do not allow students on wifi12:56
nmz787_ihmm12:57
nmz787_iI don't remember if wifi was a big thing when I was in high school12:57
nmz787_iI remember having a pppoe DSL modem for my computer12:57
cluckjnmz787, it would be good because it could cut out the need for a second receiver12:58
cluckjthe nightscout hack is cell phone + standard receiver in a box in a backpack12:58
cluckjso the kid might have one attached to their belt too12:58
nmz787_iheh12:59
nmz787_ithey're not getting picked on12:59
* nmz787_i sarcasm12:59
cluckjthe receivers are like....$600?12:59
cluckjlol12:59
nmz787_ihuh13:00
cluckjfrom the manufacturer13:00
nmz787_iwell ya so you could do ISM to bluetooth, ISM to wifi, or ISM to USB (more easily using android ADB interface, rather than full USB if needed)13:01
nmz787_ithe wixel is nice as an integrated-component, too bad firmware dev is so sucky13:01
nmz787_iI have a few TI boards and the only ones I ever really used were the MSP430's since ppl ported Arduino to it (under Energia)13:02
nmz787_ithe ARM board and the DSP board I have are just an insane amount of extra work to get setup, not to mention needing some crappy IDEs to program them13:03
nmz787_iand their programmer hardware often isn't cheap or standardized13:04
cluckjyes13:04
nmz787_ihere's a hack to reduce parts count a bit... seems like a bad way to go about medical data transfer though http://hackaday.com/2013/09/21/sending-data-over-bluetooth-low-energy-with-a-cheap-nrf24l01-module/13:07
cluckjthe glucose data is pretty low-impact medical data13:08
nmz787_i"So... we cannot accept connections, but not all is lost... BTLE allows unsolicited advertisements, so we can still do some cool things by making them broadcast data to anyone who'll listen. Let's work out just how much data we can send... Out of our 32-byte budget: 3 go into CRC, 2 go into the ADV_NONCONN_IND packet header, and 6 go into the MAC address, leaving us with 21 bytes of payload. This payload, however, must have13:10
nmz787_istructure. Assuming minimum required headers, we can get away with sending 19 bytes of data if we do not want our device to broadcast a name. If we do want a name, we have 17 bytes to split between the name (in UTF-8) and our data. And if we want to comply with the spec better and broadcast device attributes, we'll have 14 bytes to split between name and data or 16 bytes of pure data - not too bad."13:10
cluckjat least for me the best use case would be sensor --> ISM --> android USB --> pebble13:11
cluckjI have a nexus 5 so idk how the usb otg stuff works on it13:12
cluckjmight need an extended firmware13:12
nmz787_ii think you'd want the ISM-detector to act as a usb-device, not a host (which is what you'd use usb-otg to achieve)13:13
nmz787_i(which is easier to impliment than usb-otg/usb-host)13:14
cluckjyes13:14
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cluckjI mean to use the phone as the host and the sniffer as the device13:14
nmz787_iah, then shouldn't need to change firmware, unless it's on the phone13:14
cluckjthat's what I mean :)13:14
cluckjI haven't checked to see what the state of nexus 5 usb otg is13:15
nmz787_ihmm13:15
cluckjI don't think it natively supports it in the software13:15
nmz787_ii was disappointed a few weeks ago when I tried plugging my 2TB MyBook drive into my phone13:15
nmz787_iusb sticks work, but not the spinning disk (at least not 2TB, haven't tried others)13:16
nmz787_icalled up HTC and complained/filed a ticket13:16
nmz787_iso much for their phone-of-the-year13:16
cluckjlol13:16
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nmz787_iyou could probably use this wixel demo to adapt for your purposes https://www.pololu.com/docs/0J59/all13:18
nmz787_iuse the HID or storage profiles13:18
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cluckjhmm13:19
nmz787_imaybe do base64 conversion first13:19
nmz787_ido you care about iOS support at all?13:19
cluckjnope13:19
nmz787_inot sure what they support as far as plugging stuff in13:20
cluckjI don't think the app that does the glucose math is for iOS13:20
nmz787_iI know iOS only supports BLE without a hardware ID chip on the hardware13:21
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cluckjhttps://support.google.com/nexus/answer/6127700?hl=en13:29
cluckjneat13:29
cluckjhost mode supported in lollipop13:29
cluckjI don't think it was before13:29
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kanzure14:00 < cntrational> gwern: you watched Suisei no Gargantia, right?14:02
kanzure14:00 < cntrational> it contains a transhumanist plotline14:03
kanzure14:00 < cntrational> (and the main char is technically transhumanist)14:03
kanzuream skeptical, have not read synopsis, no guarantees is not pile of crap14:03
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cluckj"technically transhumanist" is a pretty broad category14:04
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nmz787_icluckj: that looks like it is specific to audio14:08
cluckjyeah but it says the host capability is there14:08
nmz787_iyeah, but that is present in many devices and android versions14:09
nmz787_iin simplest for it's probably just for mass storage stuff14:09
nmz787_i"Android version 3.1 or newer supports USB On-The-Go, but not on all devices"14:09
cluckjI think I'd have to plug in the parts and see what happens, then go from there14:10
nmz787_ihttp://developer.android.com/guide/topics/connectivity/usb/host.html14:10
nmz787_ido you really use your phone so little that you could deal with it being attached via cable all the time?14:12
cluckjI use it all the time14:13
andytoshiis there a good site to find latest videos of popular-level talks by folks like dan denett, eli yudkowsky, etc?14:13
cluckjit would not be hard to put the usb otg dongle and the wixel into a small enclosure that stays attached to the phone all the time14:14
cluckjoh nice usb otg just needs some pins jumpered on the host end14:21
kanzureandytoshi: ted? :(14:22
kanzurei suppose you said good.... so no. just tedtalks or youtube.14:22
andytoshikanzure: :/ i'm hoping for something like a youtube search (which gives you all sorts of academic talks) but sorted by talk date instead of upload date (and is maybe more exhaustive)14:23
kanzureoh wait, i made that site once14:23
* kanzure thinks14:23
kanzurei called it hplusvideo14:24
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/irc/hplusroadmap-hplusvideo-links.txt14:24
cluckjnmz787, https://github.com/tzachi-dar/dexterity14:27
andytoshiawesome thx a billion kanzure14:28
nmz787_icluckj: looks like they have some USB related code in there14:38
nmz787_icluckj: the pebble has bluetooth/BLE... so if your goal is to just push it to there, it may be possible to do directly14:42
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nmz787_iif I have a dict {'a':1, 'b':1}... any ideas for how to transform it into {1:['a','b']} ?15:07
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kanzurenmz787_i: dict([(value, key) for (key, value) in mydict.items()])15:11
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nmz787_ii did if I have a dict {'a':1, 'b':1}... any ideas for how to transform it into {1:['a','b']} ?15:12
nmz787_ier15:12
nmz787_io={v:[k for k in p.keys() if p[k]==v] for v in set(p.values())}15:12
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justanot1eruserhttps://stackoverflow.com/questions/5946236/how-to-merge-multiple-dicts-with-same-key15:12
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justanot1eruserswith value and key then do that15:13
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nmz787_ikanzure: who can we pay to do grunt-work for BRL-CAD projects?15:22
nmz787_ikanzure: like going through all their PDFs and creating a github of examples15:22
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kanzurenmz787_i: they have some students doing free or paid work for them, ask them if any of the students are available15:27
kanzurei've read through eudoxia's changes here but can someone else provide a second pair of eyes? https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot/pull/3915:27
nmz787_ikanzure: re papers.py not being needed, is that because the server is now using those proxy URLs by default, at the OS level?15:30
nmz787_i(I noticed something like that when I used wget on there recently)15:30
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nmz787_ikanzure: changes look harmless15:34
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kanzureeudoxia: thank you16:42
eudoxiakanzure: it wasn't really anything meaningful, like actually fixing paperbot, but i guess it's something16:42
kanzureahaha "Defense in Silk Road Trial Says Mt. Gox CEO Was the Real Dread Pirate Roberts"16:43
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eudoxiai want to believe16:52
kanzure"Looks like Toshihiko Baba of Yokohama National Univ. found a way to sense adsorption without any markers involved, just plain old biomolecules and super special light. The significant thing is the scale of a sensor appears to be a zone 10 x 10 microns. Not sure if it senses above the plane of the photo or at the edge yet. It can detect changes to anything in that small zone, so thousands of them can be arrayed, (maybe), and they can be ...16:57
kanzure... as selective as whatever you can glue to their surface.  The surface can be some thin zircon oxide, which sounds fairly inert, and charge effects change the light intensity sensed. So, it's an analog to Jeswin's suggestion of using PCR/electrophoresis as the "readout" for a specific primer.  But it could do "reads" per second if there was some way to get the adsorbed molecules off quickly, then reread...16:57
kanzure+"16:57
nmz787_iseems OK, but also far from DIY16:57
nmz787_iseems sort of like an ISFET maybe16:57
kanzure.tw https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/55582116466132172817:00
yoleauxInvestigation found that Mutum Sigilum, a Karpeles holding, had registered http://silkroadmarket.org #SilkRoadTrial (@sarahjeong, in reply to tw:555820942098972673)17:00
kanzure.title http://intronetworks.cs.luc.edu/current/html/newtcps.html17:02
yoleaux15 Newer TCP Implementations — An Introduction to Computer Networks17:02
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justanotheruseromg guys, http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/cmu_arctic/packed/ is broken17:52
justanotheruserand archive.org doesn't have the files17:53
justanotherusersuperkuh: please help17:53
superkuhI should have some of them around here.17:54
justanotheruserdo you have US male or female?17:54
superkuhhttp://superkuh.com/cmuvoices.txt17:55
justanotherusersuperkuh: bdl seems to be US male, but I have no idea what bdl is17:56
justanotherusermaybe the voice actors initials?17:56
justanotheruseranyways, I would appreciate bdl/US male17:58
superkuhhttp://superkuh.com/festival/17:58
justanotheruserthank you17:59
superkuhI also have the nitech if you want them.17:59
justanotheruserwhat is nitech17:59
justanotheruserI'm a festival noob17:59
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superkuhAnother set of decent voices from a Japanese university who's name relateds to n and i.17:59
superkuhEnglish voices.17:59
justanotheruserthey are esl?18:00
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superkuhI don't know that acronym.18:02
justanotheruserenglish second language18:04
superkuhI don't think I'd call them that. They sound like normal english voices as far as festival voices can sound normal.18:05
justanotheruserlol You may not access or use the site superkuh.com unless you are under 7 years of age. If you do not agree then you must leave now.18:05
justanotheruserYou should have included that on the download page :(18:06
justanotherusersorry for using your bandwidth dishonestly18:06
superkuhI *just* created the nginx entry and perms for that dir.18:06
superkuhIn my /library it's there warning.18:06
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justanotheruserIs a license allowing me to throttle downloads of the source file to incredible slow rates GPL compatible?18:11
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nmz787justanotheruser: why would that have to be in the license?18:35
nmz787justanotheruser: wouldn't that just be a per-connection setting on the server you were fileserving from?18:36
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* nmz787 so bored I had to start chatting with aliexpress sellers18:49
kanzuretrolling them or what?18:51
nmz787looking for a simple custom optic18:52
nmz7872 45-deg prisms joined with a square extension18:52
kanzure"Many of the comments mentioned this should have been caught in the code review. I suspect they don't perform code reviews. Makes me wonder, is there a tool, system, service for auditing how many 'pair of eyes' have reviewed a given line of code. This would be hard to determine, but could be useful. I am envisioning a heatmap bar or overlay that indicates the number of reviews a line of code has received."18:52
kanzure(re: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8896186 )18:52
nmz787http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/2_prisms.png18:54
kanzure"If it doesn't exist in at least three places, it doesn't actually exist"18:54
kanzureaccording to this heuristic, i do not exist18:57
kanzure.in 34h paperbot unit tests19:01
yoleauxkanzure: I'll remind you on 17 Jan 2015 13:01Z19:01
nmz787their first response 'this is a dove prism' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dove_prism19:01
kanzure"The majority of the total biomass of our planet is represented by organisms that are insect size and smaller. Similar constraints would affect engineered structures. Take for example the heat-dissipation issues involved. Heat generation in any structure would scale by the cube of its linear dimension (volume) while heat transfer would scale by the square (surface area). Large structures are therefore thermodynamically inefficient. And ...19:04
kanzure... considering that our state of the art telescopes are only barely capable of find earth-sized exoplanets under ideal conditions, it is very likely any reasonable structures such as dyson swarms or M-brains would escape our notice. Perhaps simply causing their parent stars to appear as a cooler spectral class. This would lead to "inhabited" yellow dwarf systems being misclassified as red dwarves. Not to mention the huge number of ...19:04
kanzure... undetected brown dwarfs hypothesized to exist. So to summarize, the methods we are using to find ET are weak and heavily biased toward meat-civilizations."19:05
kanzure"I like the outside-the-box thinking that dark matter (DM) could be post-singularity civilizations, but unfortunately after some thought I think current knowledge makes it seem very unlikely. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that proposition, but I think the weak version would be that some of it is made up of post-singularity entities and the strong version would be that all of it is PSEs. A big strike against the strong version of ...19:05
kanzure... that hypothesis is that we can map out DM in galaxies and see that it's relatively uniformly distributed throughout each galaxy and out to > 4 times the luminal galaxy radius. Any entities or civilization would need structure as negentropy and if the strong hypothesis were true then we would expect to observe either more structure or less uniformity between DM inside and outside the galaxy (one should be favorable, not equally ...19:05
kanzure... acceptable). This is why all DM can't be PSEs."19:05
kanzure"4. Many more elegant and predictive hypotheses for DM have been proposed which Occam's Razor favors."19:05
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kanzure"turn your GitHub links into permalinks (hit 'y' in the GH interface once you've targeted the file and line) so changes to master don't impact your links"20:05
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kanzure.py import time21:24
kanzurehttp://arstechnica.com/security/2015/01/meet-keysweeper-the-10-usb-charger-that-steals-ms-keyboard-strokes/21:28
kanzure"The weakness that makes exploits like KeySweeper possible is encryption routines built into Microsoft wireless keyboards that can fairly be described as lackadaisical.  Keystrokes are encoded with the XOR algorithm using the keyboard MAC address as the key.  Since the nRF24L01+ chip can read the MAC address, the measure provides little security against moderately determined hackers.  To make things even easier on attackers, all ...21:28
kanzure... Microsoft keyboards begin with 0xCD as the MAC.  As a result, even if an attacker doesn't know the MAC address, we can decrypt a keystroke, as the alignment will never change, and 0xCD is always the first byte of the MAC (see the section subtitled "Decrypting Keystrokes" for more on this)."21:29
kanzurehttp://samy.pl/keysweeper/#dec21:29
kanzure"Thorsten Schröder and Max Moser presented a great device, the KeyKeriki, capable of sniffing Microsoft keyboards and have fully reverse engineered the decryption process and produced a device for doing so.  However Travis points out that their device requires two radios and a high-end microcontroller to capture and parse packets at the 2Mbps speed the keyboards communicate at.  Travis' project is great as well, however requires a host ...21:29
kanzure... computer and will be too large for our covert implementation.  We improve upon these designs in this scenario by requiring only an inexpensive radio and microcontroller, both low power and very small, no computer or fancy radios required. Thorsten and Max discovered the keystrokes are simply encrypted (xor'd) with the MAC address in ECB mode, which we are able to sniff after using Travis' method of abusing the nRF24L01+ to both sniff ...21:29
kanzure... and reveal MAC addresses.  This "encryption" is the equivalent of taking a deck of cards, cutting it once, and calling it shuffled. After further investigation, I found that since we now know all Microsoft keyboards begin with 0xCD as the MAC address, the actual keystroke (in orange below) happens to be aligned with the first byte of the MAC address (0xCD).  This means even if we do not know the MAC address, we can decrypt the ...21:29
kanzure... keystroke, as the alignment will never change, and 0xCD is always the first byte of the MAC."21:29
kanzure"An additional discovery is that since the length of the encryption portion of the packet is 11 bytes, the MAC is 5 bytes, and the CRC is each byte xor'd with another (before encryption), something interesting happens.  Since the MAC is xor'd twice, we can also calculate the checksum without knowing the MAC address.  This is because the MAC address is in there in full twice, and xoring any number by itself (or xor the MAC with the MAC) ...21:30
kanzure... cancels itself out.  The 11th byte is the first byte of the MAC again, which we always know is 0xCD.  This allows us to perform other attacks, such as altering the keystroke and CRC, again without knowing the MAC address.  I will present this and some other fun demonstrations in a future project."21:30
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