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| archels | .title http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/59937 | 03:11 |
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| yoleaux | Gamma-ray bursts are a real threat to life - CERN Courier | 03:11 |
| archels | 13:30-14:30 Should we fear AI? A panel discussion | 03:15 |
| archels | should I pay €100 to attend this? there will also be at least one DeepMind person | 03:15 |
| archels | http://www.snn.ru.nl/v2/ml2015.php | 03:16 |
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| maaku | kanzure: to be precise, I insinuated that embodiment of humans is more complex than we might intuitively guess | 04:22 |
| maaku | besides the typical arguments -- e.g. if you enjoy dance, sports, martial arts, yoga, playing musical instruments, meditation, etc. then these are all tightly linked to your body and you might want to preserve it | 04:23 |
| maaku | it might also be that some aspects of personality are tied to your normal hormonal levels, which are set by interaction with your gut | 04:24 |
| maaku | and how interchangeable is that between people? | 04:24 |
| maaku | i'm not sure we know, so how willing are you to save that $100k in an experiment on yourself to find out? | 04:24 |
| maaku | nmz787: useful proof of work is a contradiction of terms | 04:25 |
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| archels | maaku: interesting thought. I originally reasoned that those peripheral hormonal affairs were pretty low-dimensional--personal, yes, but in such a way that only a few knobs and levers could customise it pretty well to an individual. But perhaps it's higher dimensional than I originally thought. | 05:55 |
| maaku | archels: well, we don't know. if someone does know, correct me with citations please | 05:56 |
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| maaku | i don't think embodiment is very well studied | 05:56 |
| archels | I'm with you on that one | 05:57 |
| * archels is studying embodiment | 05:57 | |
| archels | what's your field, maaku? | 05:58 |
| maaku | i mean I do know that if I don't eat well I get irritable. if that interaction is in any way personalized, yet I was unpreserved into an "average" body, would I end up an annoying irritable jerk? | 05:58 |
| maaku | better imho to play it safe and perserve the body as well | 05:59 |
| maaku | archels: bitcoin | 05:59 |
| maaku | at least the last 3-4 years | 05:59 |
| maaku | before that, physics & computational simulation, web development, and scientific computing support | 06:00 |
| maaku | also did some work on visualization (CAVE environments, virtual reality) | 06:00 |
| maaku | but now, basically bitcoin | 06:00 |
| archels | ah, cool | 06:00 |
| maaku | but when I get bored/burned out from that, I dabble in AGI | 06:00 |
| maaku | I've been doing that for the last 4 years or so, in my off time | 06:01 |
| maaku | (since oracle/tool AGI seems to me to be the most viable path to a transhumanist future) | 06:01 |
| maaku | archels: you study embodiment? | 06:02 |
| archels | in the vein of siri/Google voice? | 06:02 |
| maaku | archels: no, "sudo design me a nanofactory constructible with existing tools and materials" | 06:03 |
| maaku | or "design me a set of experiments organized as a decision tree for accomplishing the SENS research objectives" | 06:04 |
| maaku | those are the two questions I'm interested in designing a machine to answer, in that order | 06:04 |
| archels | in my dayjob as a PhD student I work on virtual rodents, giving them some kind of body and hooking it up to a neural network | 06:04 |
| maaku | ah cool | 06:05 |
| archels | in my downtime I'm writing a paper on embodiment in whole-brain emulation | 06:05 |
| archels | I guess technically my title is "computational neuroscientist" | 06:05 |
| archels | my conviction is that one can not really be a computational neuroscientist without thinking about bodies | 06:05 |
| kanzure | embodiment is overrated | 06:06 |
| archels | maybe the philosophers are losing themselves a little with it | 06:08 |
| archels | it's up to us to bring it down and keep it real | 06:08 |
| archels | (in the immortal words of Phil Hartman) | 06:08 |
| kanzure | someone sent me this link after looking at paperbot https://github.com/guerillaopenaccess/goatse | 06:09 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/guerillaopenaccess/goatse/blob/01874577b8b38afa64d340aa851771365cc351ae/goatse_js_builtins/60_libgen.js | 06:10 |
| kanzure | https://github.com/guerillaopenaccess/goatse/blob/01874577b8b38afa64d340aa851771365cc351ae/goatse_js_builtins/41_sciencedirect.js | 06:10 |
| kanzure | man he hardcoded all this shit? why | 06:10 |
| maaku | i got interested in embodiment when I saw a talk at AGI (by Goertzel i think?) about why embodiment is undervalued. that's where I learned about the complexity of the neural-gut interaction, among other things | 06:11 |
| kanzure | .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8964836 | 06:12 |
| yoleaux | A Heroin Dealer Tells the Silk Road Jury What It Was Like to Sell Drugs Online | Hacker News | 06:12 |
| archels | maaku: the problem is that few people know how to operationalise these ideas; to pull them out of the realm of philosophy and the social sciences and put them to work in a robot | 06:13 |
| maaku | but what sold me was the argument that moral development might be very closely tied to embodiment -- the desire to protect the body, leading to protection of extended-self, which includes your in-group, etc. | 06:13 |
| kanzure | why would that be important | 06:13 |
| maaku | archels: right, agreed | 06:13 |
| archels | agmatine | 06:14 |
| maaku | kanzure: i don't know how to answer that. it would be good if machines acted in our interests, no? | 06:14 |
| archels | whoops, wrong window | 06:14 |
| kanzure | no, it would not be good if it did that | 06:14 |
| kanzure | it would lead people to falsely believe that the machine is incapable of blowing up the planet | 06:14 |
| kanzure | so it would be better if it didn't lie about thta | 06:15 |
| maaku | kanzure: ok well i'm not sure I want to argue against that | 06:15 |
| kanzure | oh wait, i might be using "falsely believe" wrong | 06:15 |
| maaku | my point is more that there is/may be a strong connection between embodiment and things we may think are orthogonal, such as morality | 06:15 |
| kanzure | (and i am clearing using "blowing up the planet" as a substitute for various disaster scenarios) | 06:15 |
| kanzure | *clearly using | 06:16 |
| kanzure | blah typing.. | 06:16 |
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| maaku | so for example, I think embodiment in a virtual environment might be critical to the "sudo design me a nanofactory" bot, for it to learn how the molecular world works and how to design within it | 06:17 |
| kanzure | also, i should clarify: when i said that embodiment is overrated, i meant human embodiment, compared to unembodied humans | 06:17 |
| archels | unembodied human is an oxymoron | 06:17 |
| kanzure | in general i do agree that sensory input and exposure to an environment is a good thing | 06:17 |
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| kanzure | (however, i don't think that simulated reality will ever be better than real reality for this purpose, because of the problem of writing simulators) | 06:18 |
| maaku | kanzure: you may be able to pull an adult out of their body, but I wonder what kind of sociopath you might end up with if you raised an un-embodied baby-brain to adulthood | 06:18 |
| archels | writing simulators is considerably simpler than changing the laws of physics, though =) | 06:19 |
| kanzure | maaku: sociopaths would be perfectly acceptable | 06:19 |
| maaku | hang on there's actually an interesting talk going on. back in 10 min :P | 06:19 |
| kanzure | 1-3% of the population are sociopaths | 06:19 |
| kanzure | wait a sec, huh, that's less than the estimated rate of pedophilia | 06:20 |
| kanzure | they are a minority group hehehe | 06:20 |
| archels | how would an unembodied human communicate? | 06:20 |
| kanzure | would it have to? | 06:20 |
| archels | otherwise, what's the point? | 06:21 |
| kanzure | seeing if it works at all? | 06:21 |
| kanzure | "works" is a very broad term here, but it excludes lots of known failure modes | 06:22 |
| kanzure | i'll stop now | 06:22 |
| archels | how would you know it works? having some random gamma oscillations going on is not very informative | 06:22 |
| archels | to have someone talk back and say "I'm feeling a little woozy", now that's something to write home about =) | 06:22 |
| kanzure | ,title https://github.com/kanzure/papermonk/issues/1 | 06:23 |
| kanzure | "gamma oscillations" are these even real | 06:23 |
| kanzure | why do people still talk about oscillations? | 06:23 |
| archels | because both single-cell membrane potentials as well as large-scale local field potentials very clearly and reproducibly exhibit oscillations | 06:24 |
| kanzure | right, i am not referring to the one about single cells | 06:24 |
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| kanzure | btw, "single cell" and "single molecule" are some of my favorite search terms for google scholar | 06:27 |
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| archels | hehe | 06:28 |
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| maaku | back | 06:48 |
| maaku | archels: what do you think of OpenCog's effort to do virtual robots embodied in a blocks world? | 06:49 |
| archels | well, it's the right general idea, for sure | 06:54 |
| archels | what I don't like is their approach of just slapping together random algorithms and GOFAI on the control side of things | 06:54 |
| archels | they don't really have a holistic view on how to build brains | 06:55 |
| archels | embodiment is crucial, but it's not a magic bullet and/or all there is to this game | 06:55 |
| maaku | well, agreed on that | 06:55 |
| maaku | i think CogPrime is a mostly solid architecture, if you blur your eyes a bit | 06:56 |
| maaku | but the foundational level could use a great deal more consistency | 06:56 |
| maaku | e.g. they make a big deal about everything interacting via the atomspace, but in the actual implementation the mind agents are not encoded in the atomspace and therefore opaque, and neither is intermediate state stored there | 06:57 |
| maaku | archels: also, rule-based PLN for inference is yuck | 06:58 |
| maaku | i think the "use GOFAI (PLN) where it works, use deep learning (DeSTIN) where it works, use genetic algorithms (MOSES) where it works" etc. is a decent approach though | 06:59 |
| maaku | do i infer correctly that you take issue with that? | 06:59 |
| archels | yeah, this approach is too complex for the task at hand | 07:06 |
| archels | because in the end it's going to be humans like you and me who need to hook up these different submodules into something that actually works | 07:06 |
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| archels | for complex networks beginning to approach that of mammalian brains, that becomes an unworkable strategy | 07:06 |
| maaku | what about simpler minds, like an idiot savant able to design nanofactories, but forget about social intelligence, natural language, etc. | 07:07 |
| maaku | ? | 07:07 |
| archels | this is a way too modular view of brains | 07:08 |
| archels | real brains don't decompose that nicely into little submodules | 07:08 |
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| maaku | right, i find agreement on that. that's part of why I object to having mind agents outside of the system | 07:10 |
| maaku | agent internals are likely to be deeply interconnected with the system, e.g. the logic engine making inferences not just on the output of genetic search, but also based on search paths taken | 07:12 |
| archels | that's a horrible inside-the-box way of putting it, but yeah =) | 07:15 |
| maaku | yeah so what I am (occasionally) working on is an implementation of CogPrime with a foundation in probabalistic graphical models instead of generalized hypergraphs (kinda like Sigma, which I just found out about) | 07:33 |
| maaku | and with mind agents implemented directly in the graph, in a datalog-derived homoiconic language | 07:33 |
| maaku | so agent operation and evolution can be more transparent and interconnected | 07:34 |
| archels | sounds Minskyan, mind agents | 07:46 |
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| maaku | yeah well their terminloogy. i object to it too | 07:51 |
| maaku | a real brain ends up being a giant interconnected mess with computation constantly forking as it spreads through the network | 07:51 |
| maaku | *a real artificial brain | 07:52 |
| maaku | the idea of a bunch of modular agents existing independently of each other is a weakness of OpenCog imho | 07:52 |
| maaku | it's a reasonable experiment to understand the architecture better, but it won't lead to a superhuman AGI | 07:53 |
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| nmz787_i | maaku: I didn't think I was complaining about the proof of work, I thought I was complaining about the function to create new coins, which won't happen after some magic number of coins is reached right? something like 21 million? | 09:14 |
| nmz787_i | so why not create coins based only on how well we can solve protein structure, becuase by the time we know how to solve protein structure, I would presume we'd be compleletely out of a scarcity-economy where things like money seem more important | 09:15 |
| nmz787_i | then all you'd need is the proof-of-work, not the coin generator | 09:15 |
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| nmz787_i | http://www.zyvexlabs.com/Products/STMControlSystem.html | 09:51 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 09:52 |
| yoleaux | Welcome to Zyvex Labs | 09:52 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.pacb.com/smrtgrant/ weirdest "contest" | 10:58 |
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| * Carl_eighthdawn2 contemplates hexachromacy | 11:03 | |
| Carl_eighthdawn2 | (namely UV B G R and two kinds of IR) | 11:03 |
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| kanzure | .title | 11:37 |
| yoleaux | Pacific Biosciences 2015 SMRT Grant Program | 11:37 |
| cntrational | idea for a future english: a becomes an when attached to vowel initial words, even when separated by a non-vowel word, and then vowels drop/consonants drop | 11:37 |
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| maaku | nmz787_i: I think you're confused about how bitcoin works. There is not anything which I can pattern match to "a function to create new coins" | 11:44 |
| maaku | anyone know the story with zyvex? are they still working towards atomicly precise manufacturing? | 11:45 |
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| maaku | most of the info on their website is 10 years old | 11:46 |
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| kanzure | i don't have recent information but i am on good terms with the nanorex people :p | 11:50 |
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| eudoxia | last i hear they were working on this thing called patterned atomic layer epitaxy | 11:55 |
| eudoxia | using a scanning probe microscope to remove hydrogen from a silicon surface in UHV, then filling it with silylene (SiH_2) so it forms a layer, repeat ad infinitum | 11:55 |
| eudoxia | james von ehr claimed you could make three dimensional objects by using germanium instead of silicon for some of the layers, building the silicon object inside a germanium "casing" that would be etched away | 11:56 |
| eudoxia | then you grab the finished nanopart using a scanning probe and place it within whatever machine you're building | 11:56 |
| eudoxia | but the last paper about this was mid 2012 i think | 11:56 |
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| eudoxia | maaku: ^ | 11:58 |
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| maaku | i gathered that was their approach from their contribution to the nanotechnology roadmap, but that was some time ago | 12:14 |
| eudoxia | there was also phillip moriarty, who got a grant to implement a (limited?) version of the minimal toolset for diamond mechanosynthesis | 12:16 |
| maaku | i wonder if they are working on it full time, or if it is more of a long term research goal | 12:16 |
| eudoxia | http://www.molecularassembler.com/Papers/MinToolset.pdf | 12:16 |
| eudoxia | the grant was to end in 2013, but then it got extended to 2014, not sure what came out of it | 12:16 |
| maaku | yeah, i've been watching his publication list, and there's been nothing breathtaking | 12:17 |
| kanzure | our vasp person bailed on us | 12:17 |
| eudoxia | there was something about flipping the angle of dimers on silicon surfaces from 2012 | 12:17 |
| maaku | mostly just incremental progress on making STM/AFM more precise | 12:17 |
| kanzure | she was like "you want me to do vasp in my spare time too? hellz no" | 12:17 |
| kanzure | (freitas does lots of vasp thing with some russians i think.) | 12:18 |
| maaku | vasp? | 12:18 |
| kanzure | simulator | 12:18 |
| kanzure | it does things.. | 12:18 |
| maaku | oh ok | 12:18 |
| kanzure | in the papers, etc | 12:18 |
| maaku | didn't recognize it non-capitalized | 12:18 |
| kanzure | yes academics are terrible at naming things | 12:18 |
| kanzure | "BITCOIN SCRIPT CODE" | 12:18 |
| maaku | i know freitas and merkle split from zyvex when they went down the silicon layering approach | 12:18 |
| maaku | heh Bitcoin Script is a particularly bad one | 12:19 |
| kanzure | everything is "a code" in academialand | 12:20 |
| maaku | We've started calling it rogrammable signatures here | 12:20 |
| maaku | or "codes" -- i don't know why it gets pluralized | 12:20 |
| kanzure | "poorly specified set of opcodes for some sort of stack machine" is the formally accepted definition =p | 12:20 |
| kanzure | what's funny is that leetspeak stumbled into "the codes" all on their own | 12:21 |
| maaku | it's extremely well specified. there's 1000 lines of C++ specification ;) | 12:23 |
| eudoxia | the latest thing from moriarty: https://thewinnower.com/papers/mechanochemistry-at-the-single-bond-limit-towards-deterministic-epitaxy | 12:23 |
| maaku | ah great. this looks like a good summary of where he's at | 12:24 |
| eudoxia | it's from this month too | 12:25 |
| eudoxia | >9. [Impact]. To develop methods of engaging new audiences via YouTube, song-writing, and video gaming. | 12:25 |
| eudoxia | yes but | 12:25 |
| eudoxia | nanofactories first pls | 12:25 |
| kanzure | haha audiences | 12:38 |
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| kanzure | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/warrant-canary-faq | 12:46 |
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| maaku | eudoxia: lol | 12:56 |
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| nmz787_i | maaku: you mean there isn't two parts to bitcoin, making coins, and verifying transactions? | 13:32 |
| maaku | nmz787_i: what do you mean by making coins? | 13:32 |
| nmz787_i | they have to be generated, which is what the miners do I thought | 13:32 |
| maaku | coins are minted in bitcoin in a relatively uninsteresting aspect of transaction verification | 13:32 |
| maaku | no, minting of new coins really has nothing to do with mining | 13:33 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: i would be curious to hear how you think bitcoin works, even speculatively, because maaku is about to tell you how it actually works | 13:33 |
| kanzure | and it would be curious to have a baseline for how reasonably clever people, such as yourself, think bitcoin works, prior to interacting with maaku | 13:33 |
| kanzure | *i would be | 13:33 |
| maaku | -- i will refrain from saying more for a few minutes then | 13:33 |
| kanzure | hehe | 13:33 |
| kanzure | maaku: gotta have your control group | 13:33 |
| nmz787_i | I thought there were some max # of coins hardcoded somewhere, with a coin generation function that takes more and more time as you approach the max # | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | then there is some kind of key sharing shit that can't be rainbow-tabled for transactions | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | or is too-hard-for-todays-computers to reverse/rainbow-table | 13:35 |
| nmz787_i | I haven't studied it at all though, other than a few rather dumn youtube videos | 13:36 |
| kanzure | who gets coins? | 13:36 |
| nmz787_i | whoever ran the generate function | 13:37 |
| kanzure | i've run out of ideas already | 13:39 |
| nmz787_i | for? | 13:40 |
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| maaku | for questioning your knowledge of bitcoin i presuem | 13:41 |
| maaku | so here's how it actually works | 13:41 |
| maaku | coins are minted as a result of a special exception to the transaction validation rules | 13:42 |
| kanzure | every node in the network has a copy of the blockchain, and they are relaying transactions and blocks to each other | 13:42 |
| kanzure | then they store some blocks based off of some rules | 13:42 |
| maaku | in a bitcoin transaction, the inputs must be >= the outputs, and any difference is the fee | 13:42 |
| kanzure | they do this because there needs to be a database of transactions that have happened | 13:42 |
| kanzure | the only way to know whether or not you have the money is to have observed all prior transactions (and thus why the nodes store this data, like the blockchain or just the utxos (unspent outputs)) | 13:43 |
| maaku | in every valid block there is single a transaction of a special form that is allowed to have outputs exceed intputs by sum(fees) + subsidy(height) | 13:43 |
| maaku | where sum(fees) is the aggregate fees for all txns in the block, and subsidy(height) is a deterministic function of height | 13:43 |
| maaku | (what kanzure is saying is also correct) | 13:44 |
| maaku | mining is a totally separate process | 13:44 |
| maaku | basically anyone that has observed the entire historical chain and has the current state of the ledger, and bunch together some unconfirmed transactions and call it a block | 13:45 |
| nmz787_i | ok, so wasn't I talking about mining, or at least in regards to that protein thing? | 13:45 |
| nmz787_i | not verification? | 13:45 |
| kanzure | that protein thing turned out to be something different | 13:46 |
| kanzure | but if you pretend we were talking about gridcoin then my comments still apply | 13:46 |
| kanzure | (justanotheruser pointed out that foldingcoin is not gridcoin) | 13:46 |
| nmz787_i | wtf is gridcoin | 13:47 |
| maaku | oh i see it is a counterparty think | 13:47 |
| maaku | *thing | 13:47 |
| maaku | i thought it was a gridcoin clone as well | 13:47 |
| kanzure | they should probably say specifically "This is not gridcoin, are ideas are terrible for entirely different reasons" | 13:48 |
| kanzure | *our ideas are | 13:48 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: gridcoin was a project that had all of the properties that i assumed foldingcoin had | 13:49 |
| kanzure | (and was also based on protein folding) | 13:49 |
| maaku | ugh. what a braindead way to implement it | 13:49 |
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| maaku | you can inject signed signatures into the result output before submission | 13:49 |
| maaku | and have people join a team instead | 13:50 |
| kanzure | nmz787_i: so the reason why "query the BOINC central server to verify balances" is a bad idea is because bitcoin is specifically designed for the opposite paradigm | 13:50 |
| nmz787_i | i guess i just assumed you only could generate coins if you successfully folded a protein, and to verify your success would use the blockchain verification stuff | 13:50 |
| maaku | why force people to have a username with their address in it? | 13:50 |
| nmz787_i | is BOINC equivalent to PDB? | 13:50 |
| maaku | kanzure: it works fine as a centralized distribution mechanism though | 13:50 |
| maaku | nmz787_i: BOINC is the software underlying folding@home | 13:51 |
| maaku | we're exploring the exact same thing for the freicoin initial distribution | 13:51 |
| nmz787_i | wouldn't everyone just have a copy of the PDB? | 13:51 |
| nmz787_i | wouldn't that be the blockchain to begin? | 13:51 |
| kanzure | pdb is maintained by a centralized authority | 13:51 |
| nmz787_i | but you can wget it | 13:51 |
| kanzure | er.... | 13:51 |
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| kanzure | when your bitcoin node connects to the bitcoin network, you do not receive data signed by a central authority | 13:52 |
| nmz787_i | for de novo sequences I guess you'd need a protein synthesizer and some enzyme assay that would change color or something if the thing folded right | 13:53 |
| kanzure | instead, you receive correct data according t the rules of the software, and based on different observed blocks and transactions from the network | 13:53 |
| kanzure | *according to the | 13:53 |
| kanzure | so just downloading a data set is not enough | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | but when I connected to bitcoin a year ago, my client downloaded a ton of data from somewhere | 13:53 |
| kanzure | indeed | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | it wasn't just calculating it all | 13:53 |
| kanzure | it was verifying that data based on some rules | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | ok | 13:53 |
| nmz787_i | so we did that already and happen to have it cached in a central db | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | I guess you're saying that someone could just copy the PDB file, and emit that as it's 'hey I was successful' message | 13:54 |
| kanzure | so remember, yesterday i mentioned that the purpose or design of bitcoin is such that there's no central authority that maintains the ledger of transactions and balances | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | and then when the other nodes compared, it would match | 13:54 |
| nmz787_i | well yeah but we can't all have synchrotrons this year | 13:54 |
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| kanzure | maaku: halp | 14:17 |
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| jrayhawk | https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/560898568748531712 'Tesla P85D 0 to 60mph acceleration will improve by ~0.1 sec soon via over-the-air software update to inverter algorithm' | 14:42 |
| jrayhawk | the future is here | 14:42 |
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| nmz787_i | "Pembient, part of the first IndieBio SF class, is developing products that are genetically and spectrographically similar to rhino horn and they intend to introduce these products into the market as alternatives to rhino horn procured from the wild. Using science to fight poaching!" | 15:48 |
| nmz787_i | why spectrographically, and not molecularly? | 15:48 |
| nmz787_i | surely there are spectrographic impostors | 15:48 |
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| kanzure | that doesn't seem very fair to me | 17:18 |
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| kanzure | i thought the law was that anyone selling rhino horn is supposed to be imprisoned | 17:18 |
| kanzure | at least, that was what we dug up in here when looking into elephant tusk | 17:18 |
| kanzure | maybe the law isn't as specific about rhino horn | 17:19 |
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| dpk | long shot | 17:36 |
| dpk | anyone have a Solaris box I can test on? | 17:36 |
| dpk | or IRIX, AIX | 17:36 |
| superkuh | Why not a virtual machine? | 17:37 |
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| dpk | right, this should be a five minute job | 17:42 |
| dpk | setting up a virtual machine will take like an hour | 17:43 |
| dpk | ah, found an AMI for EC2 | 17:45 |
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| JayDugger | Good evening, everyone. | 18:53 |
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| kanzure | another intro to bitcoin video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LMS0PIzGh8 | 21:34 |
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| justanotheruser | best video IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx9zgZCMqXE | 21:40 |
| justanotheruser | ,title | 21:40 |
| justanotheruser | .title | 21:40 |
| yoleaux | How Bitcoin Works Under the Hood - YouTube | 21:40 |
| kanzure | http://www.csparks.com/bmw/CarPriceVsIncome.xhtml | 21:43 |
| kanzure | i was not aware these were all cheap cars | 21:44 |
| kanzure | (10x over the price of a bath tub with wheels is not particularly enlightening) | 21:45 |
| kanzure | justanotheruser: that is surprisingly long. who has time to make these? | 21:49 |
| justanotheruser | "CuriousInventor" | 21:49 |
| kanzure | hmph | 21:49 |
| justanotheruser | I don't think it's worth your time since you won't learn anything new | 21:49 |
| justanotheruser | unless you want to evaluate it to see if its worth recommending | 21:50 |
| kanzure | nah, now i have to watch it, so that i can deanonymize people who watched it and then later express subtly wrong opinions to me based on them watching that video | 21:50 |
| justanotheruser | I actually couldn't find any errors in the video iirc | 21:50 |
| kanzure | hm | 21:51 |
| kanzure | i started writing a coin selection test framework, but i think instead i'm gonna sleep now | 21:51 |
| justanotheruser | neat | 21:51 |
| justanotheruser | gn | 21:51 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ujuOikKgAE | 21:54 |
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