2015-02-06.log

--- Log opened Fri Feb 06 00:00:46 2015
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archelshttp://turingbirds.com/0bin/paste/yNRvdknC#sXGUp+kBmMxJKWmziOECmPwzwhf8ejsP6g3RP+lIoIM03:41
archelsAmsterdam Futurists Society ramping up activity03:42
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archelshm, I have to go through Dutch distributors to sign an NDA with TI. strange05:26
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kanzureobviously a conspiracy06:20
archelscommercialising transcranial ultrasound? http://www.thync.com/06:21
kanzuretheir marketing sucks06:22
kanzurehttp://www.thync.com/resources/scientific-publications06:22
kanzure"Our U+™ technology was discovered by Thync co-founder and Chief Scientific Officer Dr. W. Jamie Tyler, who has conducted thousands of experiments since 2007 to advance this technology. Dr. Tyler’s publications demonstrated the first use of ultrasound to access specific regions and networks in the brain to enhance sensory perceptions. "06:23
kanzure"We are looking for people in the San Francisco Bay Area to become alpha testers"06:24
kanzurehttps://thync.youcanbook.me/06:24
kanzurehaha what "You will receive compensation of $50 per session"06:24
kanzure"Sessions include: Electrical noninvasive brain stimulation protocols to induce different states of mind"06:25
kanzureelectrical...?06:25
chris_99theres a consumer transcranial magnetic stimulation machine i've seen somewhere06:26
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caternwhy *is* it that you can't buy one of those $1000 genome sequencings07:54
caterni'm sure that would have a large market as a product07:54
catern(in rich people)07:54
caternso why hasn't someone started reselling them to the mass market?07:55
catern(i mean selling the service of sequencing)07:55
kanzurescienceexchange07:55
kanzure.title http://blog.cr4.sh/2015/02/exploiting-uefi-boot-script-table.html07:55
yoleauxMy aimful life: Exploiting UEFI boot script table vulnerability07:55
caternkanzure: oh, huh, is there some catch? I thought some people in this channel were saying it was difficult to get one of those full sequencings07:56
kanzurescienceexchange does not necessarily serve consumers but you might be able to sneak in07:59
kanzurealso, you can always just contact the vendors directly and see if they will take your samples08:00
caternah08:00
caterncool08:00
caternsomeone could probably make some money as a middleman between consumers and scienceexchange08:03
kanzureextra ridiculously high markup?08:06
kanzurehm08:07
kanzurego on08:07
caternyou'd operate in SF, go to people and take a sample, then send it off to someone on scienceexchange while pretending to be a legitimate researcher08:11
caternand make $$$ i guess, i don't have the biohackery knowledge to operate such a sca^H^H^Hstartup08:11
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kanzurecatern: er, couldn't you learn though? i mean you're just reselling services... you could just call them and ask.08:25
caterntrue08:27
caternbut how would I find my market? hm, lesswrong and other transhumanist hangouts...08:28
catern(meetups in sf that is)08:28
kanzurenah08:28
kanzureone easy way is to organize group buys from schools or whatever08:29
caternfrom... schools? research schools? but this is direct2consumer. surely schools can just go on scienceexchange08:30
ParahSailinproblem with a 10 or 30x average coverage ngs is that coverage will vary from 0 to 1000x by region08:31
ParahSailinthats why it doesnt really make sense to do a personal shotgun sequencing and assembly08:31
ParahSailinif you wanted to fill a hiseq run with your dna, its pretty easy to find company to do library prep and run08:32
catern"pretty easy" if you already know what you're doing08:33
kanzureor you just rant in here until we answer your questions08:33
caternif you're just some consumer getting sequenced for kicks..08:33
kanzureyeah i don't really think the "just for kicks" thing is a good way to find customers08:34
caternmaybe not08:34
kanzurebtw scienceexchange does more than just sequencing08:34
caternsequencing was just the most obvious thing to resell08:34
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archels Error: Table '.\scimag\scimag' is marked as crashed and should be repaired08:45
archelsso much for contributing to libgen08:45
archelsk, libgen.in upload form works08:47
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eudoxiado all libgen mirrors share the same set of books08:49
eudoxiai never looked into how that was synchronized exactly08:49
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archelsit's apparently already synced with .org08:51
archelsgen.lib.rus.ec and libgen.info are down right now, so can't check08:52
kanzurei'm not convinced that their sync system works08:53
kanzurehuh libgen is almost 5 years old now08:58
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archelspaperbot: http://turingbirds.com/temp/Robert%20Neimeyer%20-%20Death%20Anxiety%20Handbook%20%28Taylor%20and%20Francis%201994%29.pdf09:39
archelsnot really h-plus relevant but I spent half an hour scanning this, so just want to disseminate it as widely as I can, heh09:39
archels(actually it was one of the references for my uploading paper, but that's rather philosophical)09:40
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kanzuredid paperbot die again09:47
kanzurehmm someone should write a paper about scanning the interwebs for evidence of uploaded brains09:48
kanzurei suspect that an uploaded person would have a certain type of interwebternet fingerprint09:48
eudoxiare: paperbot, this might be useful for seperation of concerns and shit https://github.com/grumble/libgen.js09:48
kanzureand it would be interesting to try to distinguish that from multiple authors acting as the same pseudonym or whatever09:49
archelswhat about two copies of the same author writing different things?09:49
kanzurewhat aobut that?09:50
kanzurei was just trying to suggest that naive implementations of such a search would probably just find pr teams or ghostwriter teams09:50
kanzureso some way of distinguishing between ghostwriting teams and an emulation would have to be devised09:50
kanzurealso if you were only judging text output then you would miss low-performance emulations09:52
archelshm, what would be identifying characteristics in the academic/text output of an uploaded individual?09:52
archelsaren't they (by assumption) equivalent to the same flesh-and-blood person?09:53
kanzureprobably nothing, i would imagine the first upload is likely to be a relatively boring individual09:53
kanzureright09:53
archelshaha09:53
kanzurebut i mean, the difference is unlikely to be /nothing/09:53
archelsyeah, but on the spectrum of relatively normal individuals like you and me to batshit insane schiophrenics, they'll probably fit in there somewhere09:54
kanzureif the first few uploads are schizophrenics then that would count as a huge success09:55
kanzurehehe09:55
archelsdefinitely!09:55
kanzureParallel Schizoid Entity #109:55
archelsrelevant http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3615#comic09:56
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/f6fecafc72af15683e4dca6fedf68df3.pdf09:56
kanzurealso another thing is you could do whole-planet infrared imaging to find likely computer clusters that have not yet been plausibly identified (if the operation is not secret)09:57
kanzurehaha paperbot got around to it finally09:57
kanzuremust have been large file09:57
kanzureoh, scanning09:57
kanzurethisiswhy09:57
archels23 MB but my webserver is at my dad's with a terrible uplink09:57
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archelsI feel that the energetics of WBE is often conveniently elided09:59
archelse.g. in terms of people copying themselves at will10:00
kanzuremore time for me to use infrared cameras10:00
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kanzurehey so why did everyone settle on calling it "whole" anyway?10:00
archelsuploading sounds too cheesy, WBE comes across as more scientific10:01
eudoxiabetter than "mind uploading"10:01
archelscould go for SIM10:01
eudoxiakanzure: just embrace the propaganda10:02
archelsalthough I would prefer to call that platform-independent minds10:02
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archelsoh wait, we should avoid the term minds, I guess10:04
archelsplatform-independent brains?10:04
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kanzurewhat is wrong with "brain emulation"10:06
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maaku_archels: what is possibly wrong with the term mind?10:27
archelsoh, because of the connotations with dualism10:30
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archelsmind is ephemeral and not measureable. we'll just go on to emulate brains while the philosophers discuss the intended definition of mind10:33
kanzurepretty much10:34
kanzurethe amount of confusion around that is rather ridiculous10:34
kanzurethe time to abandon that term was like 3 minutes after whoever made it10:34
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kanzure"nothing of any importance has ever been written on this subject" -wikipedia10:36
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kanzure.title http://www.jeremymcohen.net/posts/taste/10:47
yoleauxDecomposing the Human Palate with Matrix Factorization – Jeremy Cohen10:47
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kanzuregit pushes to github straight to heroku deploys https://blog.heroku.com/archives/2015/2/6/heroku_github_integration10:49
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justanotheruser09:45 < maaku> it does achieve a dynamic, anonymous membership set signature. but that signature covers very little10:57
justanotherusermaaku_: thoughts on this convo? http://hastebin.com/arexapupeb.vhdl10:59
kanzureapplication error10:59
kanzurealso your conversation was detected as vhdl10:59
justanotheruseryes, hastebin is dumb, you should feel bad for introducing it to me11:00
kanzurenot my fault, blame yenatch11:00
justanotheruserhttp://paste.debian.net/plain/14432111:02
justanotheruserwtf is vhdl11:02
justanotheruserVHDL (VHSIC Hardware Description Language) is a hardware description language used in electronic design automation to describe digital and mixed-signal systems such as field-programmable gate arrays and integrated circuits. VHDL can also be used as a general purpose parallel programming language.11:02
kanzurevhdl is magic11:02
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kanzureyou write code and then it spontaneously transforms into hardware that beeps and boops11:02
justanotheruseroh11:02
justanotheruserso you're saying that conversation is now a circuitboard at hastebin headquarters?11:03
kanzurehere are some verilog examples:11:03
kanzurehttps://github.com/asicguy/gplgpu11:03
kanzurehttps://github.com/brianbennett/fpga_nes11:03
kanzurehttps://github.com/rnz/verilog-sha25611:03
justanotheruserthis is tough to read. I'm guessing this isn't meant to be for complex stuff like sha256? I think c would be better for that11:04
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justanotheruseri_have_no_idea_what_im_doing.jpg11:04
kanzureah your link loads now11:05
justanotherusermy 2nd one11:05
justanotheruseroh, need to refresh11:06
justanotheruserI'm not a security expert by any means, but hastebin trying to execute code like that sounds like a pretty big vuln11:06
kanzurei never claimed it was executing code11:10
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justanotheruserI didn't claim you did, but when I saw application error I thought that meant it tried executing vhdl11:14
nmz787_ithis animation is really cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hilbert_Curve_Animation.gif11:16
kanzure.tw https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/56260663401146368011:16
yoleauxEx-NSA Director Keith Alexander got up from his seat on the train, and left his laptop behind. Whoever taught him COMSEC is crying right now (@csoghoian)11:16
nmz787_imakes me think of nanoengineer11:16
justanotherusernmz787_i: does every dot touch every position?11:17
nmz787_ijustanotheruser: umm11:18
justanotheruserI don't know anything about this, but I just wasted 2 minutes following a dott11:19
nmz787_ijustanotheruser: are you asking if they'd crash into each other during transition?11:19
kanzurei stared at that gif for too long and now i've forgotten the great lakes11:19
justanotheruserI'm asking if there is only one path of dots11:19
kanzureare you asking is the animation looped?11:20
justanotheruserI just realized that there was only one place they entered and exited so my question is now "are there any cycles"11:20
maaku_justanotheruser: "Application Error"11:23
maaku_or sorry i should have kept reading11:24
justanotheruserThe blockchain may have a handful of other properties that are marginally useful for a small set of applications11:25
maaku_justanotheruser: not sure what part of the conversation you wanted me to comment on11:29
justanotheruserI'm not sure this one will be that useful since a colored coin is more fungible if the issuer has more people who trust them and if the issuer has many people who trust them, they will be issuing more assets,  and if they're issuing enough assets they can be more profitable by managing and earning fees from their own banking software11:29
justanotherusermaaku_: the fact that the blockchain is useful for something trustful11:29
justanotheruser09:47 < maaku> and its only what that signature covers, and implications from the validation logic, that you can say is trust-free11:30
maaku_yeah in general the role of accountant (the blockchain) is totally separate from the role of issuer11:30
maaku_why should the issuer be running the 24/7 accounting services?11:31
maaku_there is value in having either trustless (blockchain) or 3rd party accounting11:31
maaku_also, i'm not sure why people seem to assume that an asset which was issued once will always be inflatable11:32
justanotherusermaaku_: if you use the blockchain you only have to trust 1 person, the issuer11:33
maaku_justanotheruser: what do you mean by "trust the issuer"?11:33
justanotherusermaaku_: I mean a gold colored coin requires trust that the issuer will redeem the coin for gold11:34
maaku_ok you mean trust someone that is offering redemption services for an asset to continue offering that service11:34
maaku_that's very application specific11:34
maaku_there's also cases where for example the asset could represent a bet on the outcome of a prediction market11:34
maaku_in which case the asset is automatically converted back into bitcoin upon resolution of the market11:35
justanotheruserWell the blockchain is more useful for that because they can't steal from you (except by colluding with the other party)11:35
justanotherusers/party/betting party/11:35
maaku_right the block chain is pretty awesome in general for trustless accounting11:35
maaku_you can trust the accounting. maybe thing is worthless, but you can trust the accountant not to steal it out from under you.11:36
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kanzuretheorem prover http://isabelle.in.tum.de/11:49
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kanzurehmm.13:05
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kanzure"On Monday, the Montana State Senate unanimously passed a “right to try” bill, which would allow terminally ill patients to ignore federal restrictions on experimental treatments and drugs."13:11
kanzure"The Goldwater Institute, a conservative think tank based in Phoenix, has taken up the cause, writing model right-to-try legislation for states, a version of which was proposed in the Indiana Senate. The institute sees the issue as protecting "the fundamental right of people to try to save their own lives.""13:13
kanzurestalstalk13:13
nmz787_inice13:16
nmz787_iaren't we all terminally ill, with the disease of death?13:17
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kanzure13:19 <@gwern> siggraph reminds me of a magician who is always producing rabbits, and never hats13:30
* maaku_ goes off to render the Stanford bunny in a top hat13:36
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fennhttp://cs.stanford.edu/people/karpathy/deepimagesent/ generates free-form natural language descriptions of image regions. Our model leverages datasets of images and their sentence descriptions to learn about the inter-modal correspondences between text and visual data. Our approach is based on a novel combination of Convolutional Neural Networks over image regions, bidirectional Recurrent Neural14:27
fennNetworks over sentences, and a structured objective that aligns the two modalities14:27
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nmz787_ihuh, cool! and they put their code online https://github.com/karpathy/neuraltalk14:51
nmz787_ihahahah "I object to doing things that computers can do." - Olin Shivers15:00
kanzurethat guy is going to be so angry when he learns his brain isn't that special15:00
nmz787_ihttp://scsh.net/docu/html/man.html15:09
nmz787_iapparently his campus allows weapons15:09
nmz787_i'NO ONE WILL READ THIS'15:10
nmz787_inot a professor I'd take a chance pissing off15:11
andytoshipaperbot:15:17
paperbotyes, andytoshi?15:17
andytoshipaperbot: "proof of Gudkov's conjecture" rohlin15:17
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paperbothttp://www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~aar/papers/kharviro.pdf15:18
andytoshipaperbot: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF0107751715:28
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/ca593f47ae10f09cc6a22672d535bd7d.txt15:28
kanzurepaperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2FBF01077517.pdf15:28
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/8a1611f8f45a75e82377bd6879c2b039.txt15:29
kanzureno luck15:29
andytoshithx we got it15:29
andytoshi(using academic access :/)15:30
nmz787_ihttp://science.fire.ustc.edu.cn/download/download1/paper/proceedings/ASME2008/data/pdfs/trk-13/IMECE2008-67711.pdf15:37
nmz787_isame puller i've used15:38
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maaku_paperbot: "proof of Goldbach's Conjecture"15:51
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maaku_well one could hope :\15:54
kanzurecontributions welcomed https://github.com/kanzure/paperbot15:55
kanzurealso, deleting bad code counts as a contribution15:55
kanzurealso, untested code counts as bad code15:56
maaku_kanzure: i was joking -- Goldbach's conjecture is a famous unproved theorem in prime number theory15:57
kanzurei am sure there are many papers that mention the (unestablished) proof of goldbach's conjecture15:57
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kanzurei wonder which reagents this uses http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/cheap-smartphone-dongle-diagnoses-hiv-and-syphilis-15-minutes16:09
kanzureand also the blood vacuum16:09
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nmz787_iare conflict-free ICs like fair-trade bananas?16:25
kanzuredelicious ?16:25
nmz787_i'blood CPU'16:25
nmz787_i'ARM, bro? do you even know about the mining family tragedies you're supporting?'16:26
kanzures/mining family tragedies/intellectual property tragedies16:26
nmz787_itungsten, tantalum, tin, gold16:29
nmz787_i.title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ay3e8nrE4A16:31
yoleauxCES 2014 - Conflict Free Processor Panel - YouTube16:31
archelspaperbot: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-540-36841-0_39616:31
kanzure.title16:31
yoleauxParameter estimation method of the biological tissue equivalent circuit model for local EIT - Springer16:31
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/e3a9d32b8b28b882768ed5a1aecd8f16.txt16:31
archelspaperbot: http://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-540-36841-0_396.pdf16:31
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/57e36968f2616ce519d4d1a4ec184ee9.txt16:32
nmz787archels: http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/Parameter_estimation_method_of_the_biological_tissue_equivalent_circuit_model_for_local_EIT.pdf16:34
archels"A meta-analysis of review studies"16:36
archelsnmz787: cheers!16:36
fenn.wa proof of Goldbach's Conjecture16:43
yoleauxfenn: Sorry, no result!16:43
fennwell one can hope16:43
fenn.wik gudkov's conjecture16:43
yoleauxfenn: Sorry, I couldn't find article.16:43
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nmz787u want that fenn?16:48
fennno16:48
fennjust wondering what it was16:48
fennsomething about smooth degree 6 curves, or possibily ellipse packing16:48
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ebowdenpaperbot: http://www.cell.com/chemistry-biology/abstract/S1074-5521%2814%2900457-817:04
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namengpaperbot http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11192-014-1404-617:05
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/1bc67a4ba28006f63fda9c4ecd6ada47.txt17:05
namengpaperbot http://inderscience.metapress.com/content/w011g76721w1q332/17:05
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Combined%20Mitigation%20of%20the%20Gastrointestinal%20and%20Hematopoietic%20Acute%20Radiation%20Syndromes%20by%20an%20LPA2%20Receptor-Specific%20Nonlipid%20Agonist.pdf17:06
namengpaperbot http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ip/ihe/2014/00000028/00000002/art0000617:08
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/677bc809fb729b9f468852d4def81f7c.txt17:09
archelsebowden: http://www.turingbirds.com/temp/1-s2.0-S1074552114004578-main.pdf17:11
ebowdenPaperbot wowrked! \:D/17:12
ebowdenOh, thanks, but paperbot already had it.17:12
ebowdenWhich is uncommon these days, so I appreciate the thought.17:12
ebowdenpaperbot: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009286741500063X17:13
ebowdenOh, wrong one.17:13
ebowdenpaperbot: http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674%2815%2900063-X17:13
namengglad he's working for someone17:13
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/HIV-1%20Integration%20Landscape%20during%20Latent%20and%20Active%20Infection.pdf17:14
ebowdenYay! It worked again!17:15
ebowden\:D/17:15
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namengshow off17:21
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kanzure“There are myths and pseudo-science all over the place. I might be quite wrong, maybe they do know all this … but I don’t think I’m wrong, you see I have the advantage of having found out how difficult it is to really know something. How careful you have to be about checking the experiments, how easy it is to make mistakes and fool yourself. I know what it means to know something. And therefore, I see how they get their ...17:37
kanzure... information and I can’t believe that they know it. They haven’t done the work necessary, they haven’t done the checks necessary, they haven’t taken the care necessary. I have a great suspicion that they don’t know and that they’re intimidating people.”17:37
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ebowden_Is that Feynman talking about social "science"?17:44
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kanzurehe is talking about people17:49
namengpaperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016649720400219617:49
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Initiatives%20to%20promote%20commercialization%20of%20university%20knowledge%0A%20.pdf17:49
namengpaperbot http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016649720400219617:55
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Initiatives%20to%20promote%20commercialization%20of%20university%20knowledge%0A%20.pdf17:56
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delinquentmehttp://techcrunch.com/2015/02/06/a-rare-look-inside-a-massive-bitcoin-mine/?ncid=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29&utm_content=FaceBook18:34
yoleaux2 Feb 2015 07:17Z <nmz787> delinquentme: $1.21 RTC with per-day +- ~0.5second accuracy http://www.ebay.com/itm/IIC-Precision-RTC-Real-Time-Clock-Memory-Module-For-Arduino-DS3231-AT24C32-/251401815796?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a88b746f418:34
yoleaux2 Feb 2015 07:23Z <nmz787> delinquentme: this might also be interesting, not aware of an good-for-time arduino-receiver yet though (maybe any GPS module?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_clock18:34
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/24b6812961745221288c03b8091b6dad.txt18:42
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kanzureaccepting bitcoin donations now http://sens.org/donate21:40
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JayDuggerGood evening.23:26
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