2015-02-11.log

--- Log opened Wed Feb 11 00:00:51 2015
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bcishould be gene_hackman00:19
* bci taps mic00:19
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kanzurewin 203:52
kanzureblah03:52
kanzure.title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=903103403:52
yoleauxShow HN: The Autoprotocol Language Standard for Biology | Hacker News03:52
kanzurehttp://autoprotocol.org/03:52
kanzure"Autoprotocol is a language for specifying experimental protocols for biological research in way that is precise, unambiguous, and understandable by both humans and computers. Autoprotocol was originally developed at Transcriptic as a way to define experiments that could be run over the internet on remote robotic automation, with the aim of moving research into the "cloud"."03:53
kanzurehttps://github.com/autoprotocol/autoprotocol-core03:53
kanzurehttps://github.com/autoprotocol/autoprotocol-python03:53
kanzurehttp://autoprotocol-python.readthedocs.org/en/latest/03:53
kanzurehttp://autoprotocol.org/community/03:54
kanzurehttp://autoprotocol.org/specification/03:54
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kanzurehttp://breakingmalware.com/vulnerabilities/one-bit-rule-bypassing-windows-10-protections-using-single-bit/04:03
kanzure"At Transcriptic we perform experiments using what we call a workcell - a set of devices like liquid handlers (automated pipettors), PCR machines, and plate readers all linked together via a common interface and a robotic arm that moves containers between devices. That interface understands Autoprotocol and executes the instructions accordingly. Autoprotocol itself was designed to be an agreed upon standard for different types of ...04:06
kanzure... laboratory automation (not just ours) to execute protocols. An example of an experiment someone could run through our cloud laboratory interface would be to monitor the growth rate of bacteria expressing different genes. This would be done using a protocol that contains some pipetting steps to dilute the bacteria and then alternates between incubating the plate at 37 degrees and reading OD600 of its wells using a plate reader at a ...04:06
kanzure... specified interval for a certain number of repetitions."04:06
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kanzureycombinator applications are open again http://www.ycombinator.com/apply/#S201505:54
kanzurei think the vast majority of these are topics that hplusroadmappers could dominate http://www.ycombinator.com/rfs/05:54
kanzureso you should apply05:54
ParahSailintranscriptic is too expensive to do any general protocols on05:59
kanzureprobably06:01
ParahSailinthey should have priced stuff to get people using it06:01
kanzurei think they started with molecular cloning06:01
kanzuremaaku was there at the time so we can just pester him i think06:01
kanzurei wonder what transcriptic's response to "unlimited cheap labor (undergrads/grad students)" is06:02
ParahSailinyeah but when i looked there the other day i saw that you can put in custom protocols and it gave quotes based on time spent06:02
ParahSailinthat was all new06:02
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kanzurei could definitely see a strong segment using transcriptic related to those virtual drug companies or whatever... e.g. the types with suits and no labs/equipment just lots of outsourcing.06:02
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ParahSailinwhy dont you apply to yc06:06
kanzureah i thought i told you06:06
kanzurepm06:06
kanzureon the other hand, getting 5% weekly growth is not entirely obvious for most of those segments06:07
kanzuresomeone should do a botique designer baby firm that manages the gene selection process for up-and-coming parents, e.g. a few years in advance06:17
kanzure(customers would be paying for the long-term trait planning)06:18
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JayDuggerGood morning, everyone.07:05
gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=42448bd8 Bryan Bishop: devcore - gavin andresen talk >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/gavinandresen/07:06
JayDuggerHollywood 2.0 on the Request for Startup list?07:09
gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=6e50a00d Bryan Bishop: include link >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/gavinandresen/07:13
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kanzurehello eudoxia07:17
eudoxiahi kanzure07:17
eudoxiakanzure: what's up with h+07:25
eudoxias/with/in07:26
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heathkanzure: you're in boston right now?07:28
heathoh, it's being livestreamed07:28
gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=507cd18c Bryan Bishop: some words from circle inc >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/jeremy-allaire-circle/07:30
heathgood stuff, thank you for this07:30
kanzurei am not in boston07:30
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gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c7366380 Bryan Bishop: more words from circle inc >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/jeremy-allaire-circle/07:37
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gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=c1b327b0 Bryan Bishop: even more circle words... >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/jeremy-allaire-circle/07:46
gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=7dcfe2ed Bryan Bishop: more circle things >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/jeremy-allaire-circle/07:59
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gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=1536e23e Bryan Bishop: some legal issues >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/james-gatto-marco-santori-bitcoin-law-for-developers/08:25
kanzure.title https://www.behance.net/gallery/22536831/ROBOTIC-EXTRUSION%286-Axis-KUKAABS-3D-Printing%2908:34
yoleauxkanzure: Sorry, that command (.title) took too long to process.08:35
kanzurefair enough08:40
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ParahSailinhrt in trans people frequently changes sexual orientation; is sexual orientation purely a result of hormonal balance and sensitivity of receptors in brain?08:45
archels'is the brain involved in computation?'08:49
ParahSailinif that sounded tautological, i meant specifically the gonadal hormones08:51
kanzuremost trans people are humanphiles and are annoyingly inconsistent in their beliefs ("the other gender sucks less, right?")08:52
kanzureinsert various rants here08:53
archelsParahSailin: there is plenty of receptor expression in the hypothalamus and other lower areas, of course08:58
archelssexual dimorphism of the hypothalamus comes to mind08:58
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gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=67ef1eba Bryan Bishop: more law things >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/james-gatto-marco-santori-bitcoin-law-for-developers/09:45
gnusha_https://secure.diyhpl.us/cgit/diyhpluswiki/commit/?id=509ee379 Bryan Bishop: gavin session >> http://diyhpl.us/diyhpluswiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/research-and-development-goals/09:45
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nmz787_ianyone ever see a clone of openBCI yet?11:05
nmz787_iI searched a bit last night and didn't find anything immediately on ebay/aliexpress/google11:05
kanzurethere's the foc.us thing11:05
kanzuredunno if it's a clone though11:05
nmz787_itheir price of $450 is pretty steep though it seems for the hardware, and they do offer (kicad I think ) board/schematics11:05
kanzureit's not, nevermind11:05
kanzuredunno maybe there's some openeeg boards flying around on alinope11:06
nmz787_ifrom this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_consumer_brain%E2%80%93computer_interfaces11:06
nmz787_iit seems like HiBrain is the best other than openBCI11:06
nmz787_i(currently)11:06
nmz787_iI wonder how long it would take seeedstudio to start making a product if someone sent them that design11:06
nmz787_ihttps://github.com/OpenBCI/Docs/blob/master/hardware/01-OpenBCI_Hardware.md11:08
nmz787_ii was trying to figure out what kind of sensing technique and sample rate it would take to capture my mental audio/self-talk11:13
nmz787_iI've heard that frequency in brains are relatively slow, so to capture something like audio it seems there would have to be a ton of parallel data channels which had low bandwidth but slight phase offset or something11:14
nmz787_imaybe frequency down-conversion too on the higher freq stuff11:14
nmz787_iso I think that would mean the sampling freq could be low, but the parallel data channels would be on top of each other in the data stream, requiring some sort of tomography or phase array sensor technique to resolve the individual channels11:16
nmz787_i(if you were sensing with an antenna/eeg)11:16
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justanot1eruserkanzure: do you think there is an optimal ratio of amphetamine to dextroamphetamine in adderall for each individual? Or do you think it doesn't improve much beyond 50/5012:09
kanzureno idea, sorry12:09
kanzurejust dextroamphetamine and just amphetamine might be fine12:10
justanot1erusertoo bad. Would be cool if pharma companies sold different ratios and you could find optimums.12:12
kanzurehmm http://blog.ycombinator.com/yc-open-source-sales-agreement12:12
kanzureeventual comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=903525612:12
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kanzurein conclusion, always check the manufacturer12:28
nmz787_ijustanot1eruser: I think the mix is racemic, meaning it's just the ratio that the reacton spews out... not really something they tuned for12:31
nmz787_ijustanot1eruser: presumably since they can pull out the dextro, they also have the levo somewhere for something12:31
justanot1erusernmz787_i: so 50% is probably 50% by molarity?12:32
nmz787_iprobably12:32
justanot1eruserThats a smarter reason than I assumed..12:32
nmz787_ii guess molarity is in liquids though, so might not make perfect sense since tablets are solid12:33
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kanzurethere's also issues with the delivery mechanism12:49
kanzureshire still has a patent on the good one12:49
ParahSailinshire patented insufflation?!12:50
ParahSailininvade hobbiton12:52
nmz787_ithe Barr time-release balls seem magical in how long they've kept some dex good12:54
ParahSailinits a fairly stable molecule12:54
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kanzurebarr seems to work for me. shire works. teva doesn't.13:06
kanzurecrap now you guys know a useful delivery mechanism for my receptors13:09
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justanotheruserdoes insufflation even work?13:46
justanotheruserI mean, obviously it goes down your throat...13:46
kanzurecan you say that again but in caps?13:47
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archelsnmz787_i: got a link for HiBrain? is it open source?13:56
nmz787_iarchels: the wiki page directs to http://www.hyperneuro.com/14:01
archelsyeah that's what I got14:02
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nmz787_i64-channel eeg from openeeg mailing list http://www.eeg64.com/?p=4714:03
nmz787_i.title14:04
yoleauxnmz787_i: Sorry, that command (.title) crashed.14:04
nmz787_i"EEG64 Cost – Quotes"14:04
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archelshmm, looks a bit inchoate14:19
archelsthe OpenEEG project is pretty dead afaik--but one could also say it's mature14:19
nmz787_iwell openBCI or that eeg64 are using all-in-one ICs pretty much14:21
nmz787_iso there shouldn't be too much to do outside software and simple power supply type PCB stuff14:22
archelsthat's not necessarily simple on an ultra-low-noise design14:23
archelsalso not seeing any galvanic isolation14:24
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archelshmm, apparently someone at a local lab broke a 200 ul pipette by pipetting 6 ul with it14:26
archelshow does that work?14:26
archels"General rule, don’t go below 10 % of the maximum volume!"14:26
nmz787_iarchels: they're just pistons in a cylinder with a screw to adjust the displacement14:29
nmz787_iso setting it too small probably just put more stress on the plunger seal or something14:29
nmz787_ior it messed up the spring14:30
ParahSailindead volume14:34
archelswouldn't there have been more dead volume, not less?14:36
archelssomeone reply-alled asking for clarification, but he's either being stonewalled or told off through private channels14:41
nmz787_ion the pipet?14:41
nmz787_ithat seems like a reasonable thing to ask for clarificationon14:41
nmz787_iclarification on14:41
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justanotheruserpaperbot http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/npr.4040030405/abstract15:48
fennpaperbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001122406580113415:48
kanzure.title15:48
yoleauxFunctional survival of kidneys subjected to extracorporeal freezing and reimplantation15:48
kanzurehm15:48
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/%0A%20Functional%20survival%20of%20kidneys%20subjected%20to%20extracorporeal%20freezing%20and%20reimplantation%0A%20.txt15:48
kanzurewomp womp15:48
justanotheruser;_;15:48
kanzurepaperbot: http://acw.sciverse.com/SSOCore/update?acw=5995d4102fa7b41989f39a7-19d540c783c2acf2%7C%24%7CmCsSeOz6L9xAK5sYMadOfDnCxXeIt%2B%2Fj8swmlb0YWXRDvzMSGPHrw9dP22R9nvN2QOcrZLYUmWbyrehM3VuTo8iN9hCgJnzG&utt=6995d4102fa7b41989f39a7-19d540c783c2acf215:49
justanotheruserkanzure: what is the best pdf host15:49
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/54ada348e51a30613f92eb641ec58b0e.txt15:49
kanzure"The article you are trying to access is not included"15:50
kanzurefenn: those results were discussed in http://imsear.li.mahidol.ac.th/bitstream/123456789/134785/1/jiafm2007v29i3p10.pdf15:52
kanzure.. briefly..15:52
paperbothttp://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/3fe0ebcd79d48eac9bde9e1938d97a6b.txt15:52
kanzurehehe "Whole organ preservation: I. A technique for in vivo freezing canine intestine using intraarterial helium and ambient nitrogen"15:52
kanzure"Survival of canine kidneys after treatment with dimethyl-sulfoxide, freezing at− 80° C, and thawing by microwave illumination"15:53
kanzure"Factors involved in successful freezing of kidneys for transplantation. Preliminary experimental observations"15:53
fennyes i read the logs to find the article link, unfurtunutely no can read16:01
fennthe actual abstract says 2/14 dogs survived, not 4/37 (although 9/14 had "some" function)16:02
kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/FUNCTIONAL_SURVIVAL_OF_KIDNEYS_SUBJECTED_TO_EXTRACORPOREAL_FREEZING_AND_REIMPLANTATION.pdf16:12
fennkewl16:13
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nmz787_ifunded in 25 minutes https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1186001332/pyimagesearch-gurus-become-a-computer-vision-openc16:21
nmz787_i"Out of the box IPython Notebooks were never designed to run in a (secure) multi-user environment. And unfortunately, current approaches to creating mutli-user IPython Notebook environments are glued together using shell scripts and bubblegum. Instead of building my own mutli-user IPython Notebook management system, I am currently looking into two companies that provide this service: Wakari and Sage Math Cloud. Some of the funds16:22
nmz787_ifrom this Kickstarter will go into licensing this software."16:22
nmz787_iI am confused by his statement, isn't this free? https://github.com/sagemath/cloud16:23
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nshasking for donations so you can license software is particularly distasteful17:31
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nmz787nsh: agreed18:16
nmz787especially when they say it's free for commercial too https://github.com/sagemath/cloud/wiki/FAQ#com18:16
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JayDuggerGood evening, everyone.19:15
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