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| fenn | "Statistics Professors HATE Him! Doctor's discovery revealed the secret to learning any problem with just 10 training samples. Watch this shocking video and learn how rapidly you can find a solution to your learning problems using this one sneaky kernel trick!" http://www.oneweirdkerneltrick.com | 05:08 |
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| archels | hahaha | 05:11 |
| chris_99 | haha some of the pdfs are awesome | 05:11 |
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| fenn | omg i want "deep cat basis" http://media.catmoji.com/post/viin/best-way-to-organize-your-cats.jpg | 05:27 |
| chris_99 | lol | 05:28 |
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| cluckj | cat stackin' | 06:05 |
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| kanzure | nsa data center is actually a giant operation to detect time travelers | 07:38 |
| kanzure | "10 bits of entropy should be enough for anyone" | 07:42 |
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| kanzure | http://stoprobotabuse.com/ | 09:21 |
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| maaku | kanzure: ah but why not program robots to like it? | 09:33 |
| kanzure | or non-preference, even | 09:33 |
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| nmz787_i | is that just a PR scheme by Boston Dynamics? | 10:11 |
| nmz787_i | maaku: seems those robots don't have any sort of programming for that now anyway | 10:11 |
| nmz787_i | that isn't a robotic characteristic as much as one of AI | 10:11 |
| maaku | nmz787_i: i'm sure this is a joke by someone at boston dynamics | 10:12 |
| maaku | and sadly few people are able to make that (correct) distinction :( | 10:12 |
| chris_99 | nmz787_i, did you order some of those ToF chips btw? | 10:12 |
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| kanzure | yes it's probably PR | 10:19 |
| kanzure | (especially because it says so) | 10:20 |
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| nmz787_i | chris_99: nah, been too busy with work and class lately | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | aha, i think i'm gonna try and interface to it with the RPi, to start with, as i need to log the data from it | 10:30 |
| nmz787_i | been tinkering with BRLCAD a bit, trying to create a python version of kanzures spiral.pl code, but with the ability to use arbitrary channel profiles rather than just a square cross-section | 10:30 |
| chris_99 | spiral.pl? | 10:31 |
| kanzure | you and genehacker would get along very well, i'm telling you | 10:32 |
| kanzure | originally i wrote spiral.pl because genehacker asked me to (or something) | 10:32 |
| kanzure | we were involved in some microfluidic shenanigans | 10:32 |
| nmz787_i | hah, there is a website spiral.pl | 10:34 |
| kanzure | anyway spirals are his shape of choice | 10:34 |
| kanzure | if anyone ever makes a hexagonal cross section spiral, we're doomed | 10:35 |
| nmz787_i | chris_99: http://brlcad.org/wiki/Spiral | 10:35 |
| nmz787_i | I screwed something up with the rotate command and it made a very interesting 3D spiraling shape | 10:35 |
| chris_99 | heh cool | 10:35 |
| nmz787_i | I saved-as that file because it was such an interesting output | 10:36 |
| nmz787_i | kanzure: i don't understand why your spiral.pl script was running mged multiple times... why didn't you just assemble your complete list of commands and execute mged once. It seems you were trying to avoid running mged for each command.... but I don't get why you chose 100 commands per 'chunk' rather than just queuing them all. | 10:39 |
| nmz787_i | to catch intermediate errors? | 10:39 |
| kanzure | hmm. i don't remember. perhaps i wasn't aware of mged file input. | 10:40 |
| kanzure | i also don't remember why i used repeating extruded cross sections | 10:42 |
| kanzure | which is clearly the wrong way to do this | 10:42 |
| nmz787_i | I haven't done any of the center subtraction, since I assume the whole extrusion will be the channel or etch area | 10:43 |
| kanzure | i think the right way to do this is a 2d sketch of a spiral, then copy and translate a few units horizontal or whatever, then extrude. | 10:43 |
| nmz787_i | then you can't get parabolic cross-sections though I think | 10:43 |
| nmz787_i | I'd thought of using a method like that | 10:44 |
| kanzure | like this: | 10:44 |
| kanzure | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD2HvLbAjIs&t=30s | 10:44 |
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| kanzure | .title | 10:45 |
| yoleaux | rolled/spiral cylinder in sheet metal solidworks - YouTube | 10:45 |
| kanzure | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0UogBXF1h4 | 10:45 |
| yoleaux | screw compressor animation - YouTube | 10:45 |
| nmz787_i | yeah need some more time to think about how to get arbitrary cross-sections | 10:45 |
| nmz787_i | have also been playing with the involute gear equations trying to get some nice gears | 10:46 |
| kanzure | other spiral thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_rZfxtADWI | 10:46 |
| kanzure | .title | 10:46 |
| yoleaux | solidworks spiral horlogerie - YouTube | 10:46 |
| kanzure | sometimes stalkmatrix has really bizarre omissions. for example, according to this data, i have never talked with anyone about mged. but that doesn't make sense... | 10:48 |
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| kanzure | dingo: welcome back | 11:01 |
| dingo | yeah thanks | 11:06 |
| yoleaux | 26 Dec 2014 22:56Z <kanzure> dingo: are doi numbers ever deprecated? | 11:06 |
| dingo | there is an unregistration process for when mistakes are made | 11:07 |
| dingo | but generally not | 11:07 |
| dingo | lol that was a long time ago | 11:07 |
| dingo | if i recall you would submit "DOI is superceded by .." | 11:08 |
| dingo | and then they would do a sort of redirect | 11:08 |
| kanzure | ha | 11:09 |
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| kanzure | bbrittain: are you around? | 11:33 |
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| nmz787_i | the upside of animals vs microbes seems to me that animals have immune systems and other good control systems.... like fish farming is still economical even though it seems that their living conditions are gross, their immune systems and filtration systems are able to deal with it and still produce decent tasting product. Now whether the environmental stressors impress negative nutritional aspects, idk... that may be a jrayhawk | 12:09 |
| nmz787_i | question. | 12:09 |
| nmz787_i | saw one of these yesterday on the highway... looks a LOT nicer than their weird mini-SUV thing http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/i/i8/2014/showroom/ | 12:11 |
| nmz787_i | .title | 12:11 |
| yoleaux | BMW i8 | 12:11 |
| nmz787_i | $137k | 12:11 |
| nmz787_i | "powerful plug-in hybrid system with the combination of BMW eDrive technology and a BMW TwinPower Turbo 1.5-litre, 3-cylinder petrol engine brings together the benefits of an electric motor and a petrol engine to produce an outstanding driving experience." | 12:13 |
| nmz787_i | lol, 3-cyl sports car | 12:13 |
| nmz787_i | 112 MPG | 12:22 |
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| chris_99 | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181231234005?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT | 12:31 |
| chris_99 | hydrogen fuel cell apparently ^ | 12:31 |
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| archels | the paper of the day is: An investigation of the neural substrates of mind wandering induced by viewing traditional Chinese landscape paintings | 12:55 |
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| kanzure | "Coming up soon, a planning meeting for the 2015 Bay Area DIY Bio iGEM team. Be thinking of ideas and get the word out. This will be a joint project open to all the bay area bio hacker spaces. More info to come." | 13:31 |
| kanzure | we should tell them to do our work for us | 13:32 |
| kanzure | quick, think of a thing | 13:32 |
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| kanzure | "DonglePi is a device that gives you a Raspberry Pi P1 compatible connector for your PC." https://github.com/gbin/DonglePi | 14:15 |
| kanzure | "deanonymizing alt.anonymous.messages" https://ritter.vg/p/AAM-defcon13.pdf | 14:18 |
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| jrayhawk | nmz787_i: an inversion of the expensive tissue hypothesis comes to mind; the more energy an animal has dedicated to digestion, the more robust its survival capacity is in adverse conditions | 14:24 |
| cluckj | kanzure, I moved to philadelphia...boston is kinda far away now :( | 14:24 |
| cluckj | also ping heath and bbrittain on ^ | 14:27 |
| jrayhawk | for certain definitions of adverse | 14:27 |
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| cluckj | fuck, it's already 7pm | 15:52 |
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| kanzure | yep | 16:04 |
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| maaku | somewhere in the world | 16:20 |
| maaku | everynow and then I'm like "fuck, it's already 2015" | 16:20 |
| kanzure | hmm i could have sworn it was 2023 | 16:21 |
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| kanzure | .title http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.7128 | 16:27 |
| yoleaux | [1312.7128] Searching the Internet for evidence of time travelers | 16:27 |
| cluckj | I've just burned away most of the day dissertating | 16:49 |
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| kanzure | cluckj: defending? | 17:01 |
| bbrittain | kanzure: around now | 17:10 |
| * bbrittain assumes email already said the thing | 17:10 | |
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| delinquentme | What do they call the piping internally within a fabbed CPU ? Like *JUST* the metal thats put down to route signals | 17:11 |
| fenn | wires | 17:11 |
| fenn | or "interconnects" if you're a dork | 17:12 |
| fenn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_interconnect | 17:14 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: email says the thing | 17:14 |
| kanzure | bbrittain: you are quite hard to stalk. couldn't find your phone number. found someone named will, though. | 17:14 |
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| cluckj | kanzure, no, writing | 17:20 |
| kanzure | would you like me to shit all over it? | 17:20 |
| cluckj | that would be a big pile of shit on another pile of shit, man | 17:21 |
| kanzure | now you have two problems? k | 17:21 |
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| cluckj | or one bigger one D: | 17:21 |
| cluckj | I was trying to work out this expertise stuff and it's kinda garbage because it's based on notes of books and articles I read a while ago | 17:40 |
| cluckj | I have to go back and read the original source material again, unfortunately | 17:40 |
| kanzure | cluckj: the only thing you need to know about expertise is that it's bullshit | 17:41 |
| cluckj | yes, that is essentially what I am saying in this part :) | 17:42 |
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| kanzure | i thought there was a good feynman quote about this but wikiquote doesn't have it, which is strange.. it's like the only good thing he ever said. | 17:42 |
| cluckj | there's an extensive literature about expertise in my discipline, and none of it works well with DIY stuff | 17:43 |
| kanzure | a bunch of people aren't incentivized to poo over the concept of expertise/authority because it's an entirely self-defeating position | 17:43 |
| kanzure | well i mean, in public. when communicating with others. | 17:44 |
| cluckj | hah | 17:44 |
| cluckj | "aren't incentivized" is a really kind way to put it | 17:45 |
| kanzure | this is my "try being nice" week | 17:45 |
| cluckj | expertise/authority is tied up with power of all sorts | 17:45 |
| cluckj | economic, social, political | 17:45 |
| cluckj | my criticism of it is that it's conceptualized as some quantity of (knowledge, authority, credentials) located in an individual | 17:46 |
| kanzure | i suspect zooko might have some good philosophy rants about this since he's so attached to the name "least authority" | 17:46 |
| cluckj | what I'm trying to suggest is that we (my discipline) should rethink it as something performative | 17:47 |
| cluckj | expertise is something you do, rather than something you have | 17:47 |
| kanzure | maybe it's meaningless (when not used in the bullying capacity) | 17:49 |
| kanzure | it's not your job to defend terrible ideas | 17:50 |
| cluckj | hah | 17:50 |
| cluckj | I'm not defending expertise as a noun, I'm suggesting it works better as a verb | 17:51 |
| kanzure | maybe something like "clever-and-not-completely-wasteful applied effort" | 17:53 |
| cluckj | that's pretty close | 17:54 |
| cluckj | it's really about what you can _do_ in the DIY settings I work in | 17:54 |
| cluckj | s/I/we, I guess | 17:57 |
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| bbrittain | kanzure: inability to find phone number is positive. | 18:08 |
| bbrittain | people may contact me through email, IRC, & twitter. | 18:09 |
| nmz787 | I already started sending will's # to all the autodialers I know of | 18:10 |
| nmz787 | (the only ones I can think of exist in cartoons) | 18:10 |
| nmz787 | s/ones/one/ | 18:11 |
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| kanzure | genehacker: yo | 21:16 |
| genehacker | yo | 21:18 |
| genehacker | I want an STM | 21:18 |
| kanzure | alright put it on my debit card | 21:18 |
| genehacker | and some molecular tweezers | 21:18 |
| genehacker | so I can build up metal organic frameworks linker by linker | 21:19 |
| genehacker | IN 3D! | 21:19 |
| kanzure | molecular tweezers are just optical traps, right? | 21:19 |
| justanotheruser | I assume you have seen http://www.e-basteln.de/ | 21:21 |
| genehacker | no they're molecules | 21:21 |
| justanotheruser | terribly outdated though, he uses some super old board for phones or something | 21:21 |
| justanotheruser | Motorola DSP 56002 | 21:21 |
| kanzure | .wik molecular tweezer | 21:22 |
| yoleaux | "Molecular tweezers, and molecular clips, are noncyclic host molecules with open cavities capable of binding guest molecules. The term "molecular tweezers" was first used by Howard J. Whitlock, but the class of hosts was developed and popularized by Steven C." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_tweezer | 21:22 |
| justanotheruser | the hardware is neat though | 21:22 |
| kanzure | .wik optical trap | 21:22 |
| yoleaux | "Optical tweezers (originally called "single-beam gradient force trap") are scientific instruments that use a highly focused laser beam to provide an attractive or repulsive force (typically on the order of piconewtons), depending on the refractive index mismatch to physically hold and move microscopic dielectric objects similar to tweezers." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_trap | 21:22 |
| kanzure | .wik atom holography | 21:23 |
| yoleaux | "An atom laser is a coherent state of propagating atoms. They are created out of a Bose–Einstein condensate of atoms that are output coupled using various techniques." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_laser | 21:23 |
| kanzure | genehacker: nmz787 has been working on that spiral microfluidic design generator i wrote in 2008 | 21:27 |
| genehacker | optical trap is too big | 21:27 |
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| nmz787 | i should be able to make some ~nm tipped STM/AFM/molecular-tweezer tips | 22:48 |
| nmz787 | i think to change it from a pipette tip to just a conical surface (using glass capillary as stock material) I'd just need to apply light vacuum to each side of the capillary in the pipette puller | 22:49 |
| nmz787 | functionalizing the tip would be another thing ;) | 22:50 |
| genehacker | still need to figure out how to make the tweezers | 22:56 |
| genehacker | and how to recharge the tweezers | 22:58 |
| genehacker | and the various reactions for dropping linkers in place | 22:59 |
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| nmz787 | some type of electrochemistry? | 23:36 |
| genehacker | I was hoping just to do it positionally | 23:38 |
| genehacker | this stuff self assembles | 23:38 |
| nmz787 | how do you control tweezing then? | 23:40 |
| nmz787 | by what you add to the vicinity> | 23:40 |
| nmz787 | ? | 23:40 |
| genehacker | stuff sticks to the tweezer | 23:41 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host%E2%80%93guest_chemistry | 23:41 |
| genehacker | stuff sticks to the tweezer reversibly, stuff reacts to form a framework irreversibly | 23:42 |
| nmz787 | isn't this just a less-flashy version of a general biochemistry mechanism wiki page? | 23:43 |
| genehacker | tweezer is just there to organize stuff | 23:43 |
| nmz787 | i mean, it seems like it | 23:43 |
| nmz787 | like enzymatics | 23:43 |
| genehacker | sort of, but hosts and guests are essential to understanding supramolecular chemistry | 23:44 |
| nmz787 | and mid-way there's your pharmacology class | 23:44 |
| nmz787 | isn't it all just 'electronics' | 23:44 |
| nmz787 | ? | 23:44 |
| nmz787 | i wonder if antenna modelling software would be of use | 23:45 |
| genehacker | sure if your antenna has quantum weirdness | 23:45 |
| genehacker | it is sort of electronics, but at that scale it isn't useful | 23:46 |
| nmz787 | yeah i think you'd have to add in the local field changes from the guest molecule as it's proximity to the host increases | 23:46 |
| genehacker | you can do DFT, but DFT takes a long time | 23:47 |
| genehacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Density_functional_theory | 23:47 |
| genehacker | you can make approximations though | 23:47 |
| nmz787 | .lattice boltzmann | 23:47 |
| nmz787 | .wik lattice boltzmann | 23:47 |
| yoleaux | "Lattice Boltzmann methods (LBM) (or Thermal Lattice Boltzmann methods (TLBM)) is a class of computational fluid dynamics (CFD) methods for fluid simulation. Instead of solving the Navier–Stokes equations, the discrete Boltzmann equation is solved to simulate the flow of a Newtonian fluid with collision models such as Bhatnagar-Gross-Krook (BGK)." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_Boltzmann | 23:47 |
| genehacker | see pretty much anything that is done in molecular dynamics | 23:48 |
| nmz787 | oh, I thought it was for multi body in general | 23:48 |
| nmz787 | can DFT be described for sub-atomic? | 23:48 |
| genehacker | what do you mean by subatomic? | 23:48 |
| nmz787 | I'm fine with sticking to electrons for now ;) | 23:48 |
| nmz787 | well are electrons composed of some other junk? | 23:49 |
| genehacker | I don't think so | 23:50 |
| genehacker | read the wiki on DFT | 23:50 |
| nmz787 | yep | 23:51 |
| nmz787 | looking at the software list now | 23:51 |
| genehacker | all I know is that it takes a long time to run | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | pshaw | 23:52 |
| nmz787 | I have a terribly underutilized server with like 70gb ram | 23:52 |
| genehacker | it takes a day to simulate a small molecule in one configuration with DFT | 23:54 |
| genehacker | on a supercomputer in texas | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | I wish I would have known that 4 months ago when we turned this server on :P | 23:54 |
| nmz787 | ah | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | this is not a super computer | 23:55 |
| nmz787 | do you know about ATRP? | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | .wik ATRP | 23:56 |
| yoleaux | "Disambiguation: ATRP" — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATRP | 23:56 |
| nmz787 | .wik Atom-transfer radical-polymerization | 23:56 |
| yoleaux | "Atom transfer radical polymerization (ATRP) is an example of a Reversible-deactivation radical polymerization. Like its counterpart, ATRA or atom transfer radical addition, it is a means of forming a carbon-carbon bond through a transition metal catalyst." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom-transfer_radical-polymerization | 23:56 |
| genehacker | no | 23:57 |
| genehacker | can you make covalent organic frameworks with it? | 23:57 |
| nmz787 | uh | 23:59 |
| nmz787 | idk | 23:59 |
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